Current Events > The next Star Wars movie should do this. *Star Wars TLJ spoilers*

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bfslick50 posted...

You seem to be dialing into the scene level differences but the overarching plot is the same.

You said the space battle scenes seem the same. My explanation was why they might seem that way.
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bfslick50 posted...

Looking back at the plot, why is TLJ even in that situation?

It's the corner that Abrams used TFA to paint TLJ into. Johnson had to figure a way for TLJ to get out, and he did.
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bfslick50 posted...

Leia, as a Senator in the Empire, as a founder of the New Republic, as a leader of the new resistance, should have lots of connections and be able to pool a lot of systems to her side.

It was her connection to Vader that made many keep their distance, even when Leia told of the growing threat posed by the First Order. IIRC, the Resistance was former members of the Rebel Alliance who were willing to join.
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bfslick50 posted...

Step back from the books and look at their role in the story.

The books led Luke to discover the history of the Jedi, the nature of the Force, and the relation of the Jedi to the Force. Luke's time with Obi-Wan and Yoda was essentials only; they didn't have time to give him history lessons. Yoda told Luke that knowledge needed to be passed on [to Rey], even if Luke didn't like the idea of it being done without the guidance Luke believed was needed but not available [due to him not being willing to do that guiding].

andri_g posted...

You said the space battle scenes seem the same. My explanation was why they might seem that way.

You're the one the first brought up that particular space battle as a difference. It's got the same motivation, the same set up, the same result, what about it do you view as vastly different beyond it's longer and has more action?

It's the corner that Abrams used TFA to paint TLJ into. Johnson had to figure a way for TLJ to get out, and he did.

Yep! That's why I view TFA as the original sin of the sequel trilogy.

It was her connection to Vader that made many keep their distance, even when Leia told of the growing threat posed by the First Order. IIRC, the Resistance was former members of the Rebel Alliance who were willing to join.

That explains why Leia is in just a small group in TFA not TLJ. After the UN/New Republic has been decapitated, why is the rest of the world/galaxy just surrendering to North Korea/First Order when they don't have their super weapon any more? Flocking to Leia or outright declaring independence seems for fitting for that set up.

The books led Luke to discover the history of the Jedi, the nature of the Force, and the relation of the Jedi to the Force. Luke's time with Obi-Wan and Yoda was essentials only; they didn't have time to give him history lessons. Yoda told Luke that knowledge needed to be passed on [to Rey], even if Luke didn't like the idea of it being done without the guidance Luke believed was needed but not available [due to him not being willing to do that guiding].

If it's not apparent from the movie why the Jedi texts are important then they are not important to the movie. The author of the book can get credit for creatively using the set up from the TLJ.

god damn it i cant believe rian manlet johnson ruined the ST with episode 7 lol. abrams & kennedy shouldve kept his ass in line

mind you that was peak "subversion of expectations" era and lil buddy couldnt help himself

bfslick50 posted...

That explains why Leia is in just a small group in TFA not TLJ.

The critical time gap in TFA is the events that were not shown during Rey's trip to Luke.

[ The trip from D'Qar to Ahch-To at light-speed, based on the distances of similar routes between Tatooine and Endor, takes one day. ]
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TLJ's opening scene, unlike most SW movie sequels, starts before Rey lands on Ahch-To, filling that time gap in TFA.

[ That day, the Resistance had to re-group, evacuate, and escape the FO before they could safely call for support. ]
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bfslick50 posted...

If it's not apparent from the movie why the Jedi texts are important then they are not important to the movie.

The Jedi texts let Luke summarize the PT for Rey, and his reasons for wanting to end the Jedi, in 20 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yepMuMoAKpA

andri_g posted...

The Jedi texts let Luke summarize the PT for Rey, and his reasons for wanting to end the Jedi, in 20 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yepMuMoAKpA

The texts are from the dawn of the Jedi order, thousands of years before the PT. Luke is using vague common knowledge bout the fall of the Jedi order and his own specific failures. Nothing he says in that clip comes from the texts.

andri_g posted...

TLJ's opening scene, unlike most SW movie sequels, starts before Rey lands on Ahch-To, filling that time gap in TFA.

So you're saying TLJ is literally an Empire Counterstrike, a strike back if you will.

And the "we're out of fuel" is why they couldn't fly to Corellia or wherever a New Republic secondary fleet is located? I didn't realize there was no time gap between the movies. Does that mean First Order didn't take over the galaxy, that most of the galaxy is fine and just ignoring what's happening in that corner? Until of course all those extra ships showed up in 9.

bfslick50 posted...

wherever a New Republic secondary fleet is located?

Did they even have another fleet?

DrizztLink posted...

Did they even have another fleet?

Even during peacetime, it'd be really fucking weird for a large nation to have the entirety of their navy in one port. I'd buy the majority in one area, but all? You might not be actively at war with the tiny totalitarian nation at your border but surely you'd have some response teams near the border away from the capital just in case. And don't you want others near vital infrastructure spots like the shipyards at Corellia?

bfslick50 posted...

Nothing he says in that clip comes from the texts.

I never said that they [what Luke says] did. ;P
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bfslick50 posted...

Does that mean First Order didn't take over the galaxy, that most of the galaxy is fine and just ignoring what's happening in that corner?

It means that the New Republic kept its head in the sand while the FO carefully organized, equipped, and expanded their influence to build-up their ranks.

andri_g posted...

The Jedi texts let Luke summarize the PT for Rey, and his reasons for wanting to end the Jedi, in 20 seconds.

andri_g posted...

I never said that they [what Luke says] did. ;P

Nothing in that speech needs the Jedi text as a source or motivation.

It means that the New Republic kept its head in the sand while the FO carefully organized, equipped, and expanded their influence to build-up their ranks.

So was US in Pearl Harbor. Make it worse, they nuke Pearl Harbor which was also our capital. We lose our heads of government and a giant part of our fleet. The US is hurting for sure but then doesnt translate to immediately entering Japanese occupation, especially if Japan immediately lost the ability to make more bombs.