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Slayer_22
05/12/24 6:55:02 AM
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Okay, they can do whatever they want with the plot. BUT!

Reveal that Jake Skywalker died during TLJ by becoming one with the force. He was a clone!

Luke was off fighting the true Sith ala Revan from KOTOR 2.

I like it.

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ROBANN_88
05/12/24 6:58:24 AM
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Slayer_22 posted...
Jake Skywalker

Autocorrect typo or did i miss a whole character?

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AceMos
05/12/24 7:03:59 AM
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what

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Slayer_22
05/12/24 7:27:30 AM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
Autocorrect typo or did i miss a whole character?
https://youtu.be/qd_jyaFejhg?si=fdraAHueuVWQucvT

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Slayer_22
05/12/24 2:33:44 PM
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Bump.

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Slayer_22
05/13/24 1:11:36 AM
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Slayer_22 posted...
Bump.


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PraetorXyn
05/13/24 1:13:32 AM
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Better writing than what they did in TLJ at least.

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Doe
05/13/24 1:23:23 AM
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https://youtu.be/gNTLC_uiGFA

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Slayer_22
05/13/24 4:19:17 AM
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PraetorXyn posted...
Better writing than what they did in TLJ at least.
That isn't a hard bar to clear.

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Zikten
05/13/24 4:20:50 AM
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Make a Snake Skywalker. Then when he dies, someone says "Snake? Snake?! Snaaaaaaaaaake!"
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Tenaku
05/13/24 6:11:03 AM
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The Skywalker saga will never heal from TLJ
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andri_g
05/13/24 6:44:47 AM
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Slayer_22 posted...
https://youtu.be/qd_jyaFejhg?si=fdraAHueuVWQucvT
Hamill himself puts his first comment in context. His last word on The Last Jedi (ET interview from March 23, 2018):

Hamill: "I regret saying that ['Jake Skywalker' comment] out loud; I said it before I saw the whole movie put together."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwqFKOx_czA

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SoIidLegacy
05/13/24 6:47:50 AM
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Slayer_22 posted...
https://youtu.be/qd_jyaFejhg?si=fdraAHueuVWQucvT

Amazing that he already was so openly critical. Usually when actors comment on a movie or its director shortly after release they suck up all the time about what an amazing and unique experience it was, and maybe many years later one or two of them will reveal their true thoughts about it.

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Euripides
05/13/24 7:55:10 AM
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Somehow, Jake has returned

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CARRRNE_ASADA
05/13/24 7:57:15 AM
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Im cautiously excited, cause they KNOW they screwed up nig time and have to make up for it. Imagine having one of the biggest franchises ever and fumbling the ball, cause you had NO PLAN of what to do.

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Slayer_22
05/13/24 9:15:32 PM
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andri_g posted...
Hamill himself puts his first comment in context. His last word on The Last Jedi (ET interview from March 23, 2018):

Hamill: "I regret saying that ['Jake Skywalker' comment] out loud; I said it before I saw the whole movie put together."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwqFKOx_czA
He's pretty clear about how him and Rian are friendly with each other and he didn't like the hate he got, so it was a bit of damage control on his part. He still didn't feel like this fit his image of what Luke Skywalker was like, but it fit Rian Johnson's. If you ever read anything Mark said, you'd see that. He didn't hate TLJ, but he didn't like how Luke was handled regardless. He's very surgical in how he says anything now because he doesn't want people using his words to fuel hate for the franchise.

Anyway, it's still a funny joke and I still agree that it is not a good interpretation of Luke. So Jake Skywalker works fine.

SoIidLegacy posted...
Amazing that he already was so openly critical. Usually when actors comment on a movie or its director shortly after release they suck up all the time about what an amazing and unique experience it was, and maybe many years later one or two of them will reveal their true thoughts about it.
Adam Driver and John Boyega already stated their displeasure with the movie

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cjsdowg
05/13/24 9:22:46 PM
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That round head bastard Rian Johnson just went out of his way to make a horrible movie. Just make people upset and put himself in the movie.

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andri_g
05/13/24 9:23:37 PM
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For people who push lines from the **OLD** interview [December 13, 2017?] before Hamill saw TLJ's release...

Slayer_22 posted...
https://youtu.be/qd_jyaFejhg?si=fdraAHueuVWQucvT
**OLD** article (published December 22, 2017):
https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/mark-hamill-hasnt-accepted-stars-wars-last-jedi-luke-skywalker-1201910486/
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... and ignore information from the **NEW** interview [March 23, 2018] after Hamill saw TLJ's release...

andri_g posted...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwqFKOx_czA
**NEW** article (published December 27, 2017):
https://www.indiewire.com/features/general/mark-hamill-regrets-speaking-out-star-wars-ledi-jedi-luke-skywalker-1201911262/
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... here are stills and the captions from what Hamill said in the **NEW** interview:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/18364e08.jpg

Hamill (documentary; 00:06): "I told Rian--this is no surprise--I said 'I just fundamentally disagree with your concept of this character and how you use him.' "

Interviewer (Ash Crossan, ET; 00:17): "One thing in the documentary that kept coming back up was you saying that you 'fundamentally disagree' with Rian Johnson's..."

Hamill (interview; 00:21): "Ohh, I wish they hadn't done that..."

Interviewer (00:21): "I know..."

Hamill (00:24): "I'll tell you why: Because that should remain in the rehearsal process."

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3a057b31.jpg

Hamill (00:29): "That should be between the screenwriter and the director and I regret saying that out loud. And I said it before I saw the whole movie put together."

Hamill (00:42): "And it prejudices people in a way that''s unfair because people that are unhappy with the movie, you know, will cite that... say 'See? [sneer] Yeah!' "

Hamill (00:55): And, look, I mean it's... it was unexpected, you know, because Luke was always so optimistic and positive."

Hamill (01:18): "... it's hard when ['I' as Luke and fans of Luke] you're pushed out of your comfort zone. That's probably a good sign [that being pushed like this, and in this way, is 'a good thing.']."
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Slayer_22 posted...
Reveal that Jake Skywalker died during TLJ by becoming one with the force. He was a clone!
Fan-fiction has had interesting ideas, but there is no "Jake"... that's the "Joke" Hamill learned you can't tell a fan.

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bfslick50
05/13/24 9:27:14 PM
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Tenaku posted...
The Skywalker saga will never heal from TLJ

Its clearly the Palpatine saga. That family is the driving force behind everything.

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andri_g
05/13/24 9:41:17 PM
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Slayer_22 posted...
He didn't hate TLJ, but he didn't like how Luke was handled regardless.

Mark Hamill said he wanted to play a good-versus-evil Luke in TLJ because his [irl] son told him that is what happened to Luke in the EU, which Hamill said he doesn't follow. He told Johnson this, asking if TLJ would have anything like it. Johnson told Hamill TLJ would only be using old [established] SW themes with new story ideas.

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Slayer_22
05/13/24 10:06:14 PM
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andri_g posted...
Fan-fiction has had interesting ideas, but there is no "Jake"... that's the "Joke" Hamill learned you can't tell a fan.
...I know it's a joke. I know there isn't a Jake. I was making a joke. Tf?

And none of that contradicts what I said, it's supplemented by what I said. He's being professional and doesn't want to take a crap on a friend's movie even if he isn't a fan of it.

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sabin017
05/13/24 10:07:52 PM
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I really wish it turned out that Snoke was the kid in RotS who went "there's too many of them" of course he'd have a score to settle lol.

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BDSMKane
05/13/24 10:17:56 PM
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Slayer_22 posted...
...I know it's a joke. I know there isn't a Jake. I was making a joke. Tf?
You just got flexed on hard, bruh.

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Slayer_22
05/14/24 9:20:43 AM
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BDSMKane posted...
You just got flexed on hard, bruh.
In my point of view, I flexed on him!

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/14/24 9:49:51 AM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
Autocorrect typo or did i miss a whole character?
Maybe he was the hacker guy. I don't think they gave him a name. If they did, I missed it both watchthroughs.

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/14/24 9:52:21 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

I guess that's why he's an actor and not a writer.

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Giant_Aspirin
05/14/24 9:52:37 AM
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who is Jake Skywalker?

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Heineken14
05/14/24 10:04:43 AM
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It should that Babu Frik and his little Anzellen buddies were absolute mad lads and made a fully functional Luke droid.

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bfslick50
05/14/24 10:22:43 AM
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andri_g posted...
Mark Hamill said he wanted to play a good-versus-evil Luke in TLJ because his [irl] son told him that is what happened to Luke in the EU, which Hamill said he doesn't follow. He told Johnson this, asking if TLJ would have anything like it. Johnson told Hamill TLJ would only be using old [established] SW themes with new story ideas.

Johnson said TLJ used new story ideas? The reclusive jedi master did not want to train a new apprentice, citing a fear that they'll turn to the dark side. The jedi master relents and gives a couple of lessons that are cut short when the apprentice receives information through the force that their friends are in danger. The force ghost that appeared to the master and to say their gut reaction was wrong. It's not old themes with new story ideas when you're directly copying the majority of another film with a few resequencing.

Luke used a new never before seen power but that's enough to count as a new story idea. The idea that force sensitivity could come from anywhere is a new story idea but he just suggested it; he didn't do anything with it.

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/14/24 10:30:38 AM
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bfslick50 posted...
Johnson said TLJ used new story ideas? The reclusive jedi master did not want to train a new apprentice, citing a fear that they'll turn to the dark side. The jedi master relents and gives a couple of lessons that are cut short when the apprentice receives information through the force that their friends are in danger. The force ghost that appeared to the master and to say their gut reaction was wrong. It's not old themes with new story ideas when you're directly copying the majority of another film with a few resequencing.

Luke used a new never before seen power but that's enough to count as a new story idea. The idea that force sensitivity could come from anywhere is a new story idea but he just suggested it; he didn't do anything with it.
But you're forgetting the actual conflict.

This was the first Star Wars movie about the spaceship running out of gas.

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bfslick50
05/14/24 12:55:57 PM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
But you're forgetting the actual conflict.

This was the first Star Wars movie about the spaceship running out of gas.

I was limiting myself to the Luke parts, but that's just

"What if we redid Empire we did the escape to hyperspace before the land battle."
"How do they battle if they already escaped?"
"They're out of gas!"

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Psyloshsr
05/14/24 1:06:25 PM
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We're talking clones of Luke and not one of you people brings up Luuke? Shame on all of you.

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/14/24 1:23:12 PM
#34:


Zikten posted...
Make a Snake Skywalker. Then when he dies, someone says "Snake? Snake?! Snaaaaaaaaaake!"
Holy crap now I'm picturing Luke as the protagonist of MGS1, and it's absolutely magical. The face, the voice, even the inflections and facial expressions, everything literally Luke, but he's saying Solid Snake lines.

The way he says "Take care of yourself, Han. It's what you're best at, isn't it?"

becomes

"Optical camouflage, huh? I hope that's not your only trick."

The way he says: "But I Was Going to Toshi Station to Pick Up Some Power Converters"

becomes

"I don't have any crows in my family tree."

The way he says: "Ill Never Turn to the Dark Side. You Failed, Your Highness. I Am a Jedi like My Father Before Me."

becomes

" No... you're wrong. In the movies, the hero always saves the girl..."

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/14/24 1:27:53 PM
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"You want the impossible" -> "If you lose, you're worm food"

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andri_g
05/14/24 4:28:35 PM
#36:


Slayer_22 posted...
In my point of view, I flexed on him!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/82f5e8d4.jpg

... except your take is from your own fan-theory and mine is *directly* from irl Mark Hamill. ;P
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bfslick50 posted...
Luke used a new never before seen power but that's enough to count as a new story idea.
IIRC, that was from Dark Empire (EU).

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bfslick50
05/14/24 7:10:39 PM
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andri_g posted...
IIRC, that was from Dark Empire (EU).

lol of course. So he had zero new ideas. The lightsaber battle is a mix up of Empire and Return fights. The casino planet is his version of Cloud City. The Knights of Ren dont appear cause they have no original trilogy counterpart.

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andri_g
05/15/24 1:47:55 AM
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bfslick50 posted...
So he had zero new ideas.
Remember in TESB when Vader said, "This creepy dude is using me," killed Palpatine, and teamed-up with Luke?
Or when Yoda was pulling Luke's chain (no horny) and burnt down his own hut when Luke tried to go back inside?
And who can forget rebels destroying an Imperial raid dreadnought in orbit so their transports could escape? lol ;P

Old SW themes with new story ideas *is* what Johnson told Hamill TLJ would be, and it was. It also followed the same tone, for better or for worse, set by The Force Awakens.
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
This was the first Star Wars movie about the spaceship running out of gas.
In the fine tradition of the Firefly-Serenity series, no less.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/862ff430.jpg
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Well, thankfully, no other Star Wars director "borrowed" ideas from Firefly for any other Star Wars mov...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/46490aa6.jpg

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bfslick50
05/15/24 2:01:38 AM
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andri_g posted...
Remember in TESB when Vader said, "This creepy dude is using me," killed Palpatine, and teamed-up with Luke?

It's a mashup of the TESB & ROTJ lightsaber fights. In one Vader asks Luke to join him in overthrowing the emperor. In the other he actually overthrows the emperor but with better intentions.

Or when Yoda was pulling Luke's chain (no horny) and burnt down his own hut when Luke tried to go back inside?

Remove that scene and what changes?

And who can forget rebels destroying an Imperial raid dreadnought in orbit so their transports could escape? lol ;P

Literally a faster paced better graphics version of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj9mzKe6EoE

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BDSMKane
05/15/24 2:55:39 AM
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Anyone remember the episode of South Park when Timmy time traveled? The two nerds who accomplished it then argued about how many original episodes of Star Trek there wereI think the numbers were 72 and 71. But the really funny thing in the episode is nerd-A says 71 and 72 at different points in the episode, and nerd-B says 71 and 72 at different points in the episode. The amusing part is that theyre so obsessively inconsistent, they change their original stance to the opposite and dont even notice.

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MedeaLysistrata
05/15/24 3:00:55 AM
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BDSMKane posted...
Anyone remember the episode of South Park when Timmy time traveled? The two nerds who accomplished it then argued about how many original episodes of Star Trek there wereI think the numbers were 72 and 71. But the really funny thing in the episode is nerd-A says 71 and 72 at different points in the episode, and nerd-B says 71 and 72 at different points in the episode. The amusing part is that theyre so obsessively inconsistent, they change their original stance to the opposite and dont even notice.
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RetuenOfDevsman
05/15/24 8:44:47 AM
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bfslick50 posted...
he actually overthrows the emperor
You can say that again

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bfslick50
05/15/24 10:07:51 AM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
You can say that again

I slowly took a minute to understand and then I laughed so hard.

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andri_g
05/15/24 8:04:08 PM
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bfslick50 posted...
It's a mashup of the ESB & ROTJ lightsaber fights.
Except Palpatine's royal guards never fought in the duel against Luke in either fight. "Alone" is not a team effort.
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bfslick50 posted...
Literally a faster paced better graphics version of this
A squadron attacking a Death Star is not a fleet escaping a raid. Those are two completely different things.
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bfslick50 posted...
Remove that scene and what changes?
Remove Luke's vision of Cloud City from TESB, too. Luke doesn't leave Dagobah, but nothing changes, right?

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05/15/24 8:07:30 PM
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Slayer_22 posted...
In my point of view, I flexed on him!
I'll try flexing, that's a good trick!

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bfslick50
05/15/24 8:53:33 PM
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andri_g posted...
Except Palpatine's royal guards never fought in the duel against Luke in either fight. "Alone" is not a team effort.

Yeah, the original trilogy has less fast paced action scenes. This fight is different because there are more bad guys. The action is more fun to watch but it's not notable in terms of plot which is what I was talking about.

A squadron attacking a Death Star is not a fleet escaping a raid. Those are two completely different things.

It's been awhile since I saw it and I confused scenes. I read ship destroyed and my mind jumped to the admiral ramming her ship into the other ship which immediately reminded me of the super star destroyer being destroyed by a ship ramming into it. That was a similarity I hadn't thought of before but I swear the longer you compare the trilogies the more repeated scenes you find.

You're talking about the beginning scene where you think a squadron destroying a dreadnought so transport ships can escape the planet is totally different from an ion cannon in ESB disabling a star destroyer so transport ships can escape... I mean Johnson's version is more action, but from a plot perspective it's the same thing.

Remove Luke's vision of Cloud City from TESB, too. Luke doesn't leave Dagobah, but nothing changes, right?

I might be misunderstanding you again. I thought you were specifically focusing in on the destroying of the ancient Jedi texts, and I don't think that's important for 2 reasons. First they don't seem useful. Star Wars is a universe not with ancient mystic knowledge but a progression of knowledge. Over the Saga the Jedi Knights learn to become force ghosts. The Sith Lords are stated to have each one more powerful than the previous as they keep accumulating more knowledge in addition to what was passed down from their mentor. They appear to learn about the Force the same way the real world learns about math/science, standing on the shoulders of giants. Therefore modern teaching texts are vastly superior to ancient ones because the ancient ones lack all the breakthroughs made since then. Second, from a story telling perspective, the texts did literally nothing between us learning they existed and their destruction. The contributed nothing to the story.

Now if you're talking about the texts as a plot device keeping Luke anchored to inaction, yeah that's a big similarity with ESB that I already mentioned. Reclusive jedi master doesn't want to get involved, but a force ghost convinces them to act.

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Heineken14
05/15/24 10:24:16 PM
#47:


Psyloshsr posted...
We're talking clones of Luke and not one of you people brings up Luuke? Shame on all of you.

I almost posted this thinking about that. lol

Oh, linking to specific times doesn't work I guess? It's around 1:35 or so.

https://youtu.be/xbs-qHm8LYw?si=YaJyTD7PE0osWjhH&t=94

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Slayer_22
05/16/24 8:52:46 AM
#48:


andri_g posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/82f5e8d4.jpg

... except your take is from your own fan-theory and mine is *directly* from irl Mark Hamill. ;P
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IIRC, that was from Dark Empire (EU).

And in 'yours' he also uses no certain and final terms to say what he does. Pretty obvious what he was trying to do considering the hate Rian got.

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andri_g
05/16/24 11:46:09 AM
#49:


bfslick50 posted...
It does set up the next movie to be very different with Kylo in charge so that's something but then we saw where that lead.
But it didn't have to go that way. Check out Winegarner's webcomic adaptation of Trevorrow and Connolly's script for Star Wars Ep.IX: Duel of the Fates.

https://www.awinegarner.com/duel-of-the-fates
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bfslick50 posted...
That was a similarity I hadn't thought of before but I swear the longer you compare the trilogies the more repeated scenes you find.
Space battles tend to be similar. The moments that make them stand out are not when the units fight against each other as groups; it's when one member of a unit makes a critical strike or sacrifice that allows their side to "turn the tide" of the fighting in their favor.
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bfslick50 posted...
Now if you're talking about the texts as a plot device keeping Luke anchored to inaction, yeah that's a big similarity with ESB that I already mentioned. Reclusive jedi master doesn't want to get involved, but a force ghost convinces them to act.
Luke used those old books as an excuse to "try to get everything right, someday" instead of trying to get the one thing right that everyone not FO needed "today."

"Time, it is... hmm, for you to look past a pile of old books, hmm?" - Yoda [ "Much of a reader, I never was..." ]

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bfslick50
05/16/24 6:40:42 PM
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andri_g posted...
Space battles tend to be similar. The moments that make them stand out are not when the units fight against each other as groups; it's when one member of a unit makes a critical strike or sacrifice that allows their side to "turn the tide" of the fighting in their favor..

Luke used those old books as an excuse to "try to get everything right, someday" instead of trying to get the one thing right that everyone not FO needed "today."

"Time, it is... hmm, for you to look past a pile of old books, hmm?" - Yoda [ "Much of a reader, I never was..." ]

You seem to be dialing into the scene level differences but the overarching plot is the same. Regardless of the specifics of different space battles, in both ESB and TLJ there's a tiny rebel trying to escape the thumb of the Empire after they discovered their possibly only base. Whether or not the advancing Empire ship is disabled or destroyed or evaded is semantics. It's the same scenario with different scene execution. Looking back at the plot, why is TLJ even in that situation? In TFA I was given the impression the First Order - New Republic relations was like the North Korea and the UN. First Order developed their weapon in secret, New Republic never took them serious, and thus the First Order was able to deal a decapitating blow to the New Republic. But if New Republic territory was vastly greater than First Order territory then they should have other fleets scattered about even if their largest was destroyed. Leia, as a Senator in the Empire, as a founder of the New Republic, as a leader of the new resistance, should have lots of connections and be able to pool a lot of systems to her side. Absent of that, I'd imagine most systems would just declare independence and we'd shift to a city-state (planet-state) dynamic where everyone is tired of galactic governments, but that's not the set up we got. Either of those options would be a new dynamic, but instead we got the First Order controls everything just like in ESB.

Step back from the books and look at their role in the story. If Luke used the books to learn new knowledge that changed the nature of the Jedi vs Sith fight like learning about the witches in Ashoka, that'd be something new. If Luke used the books to change his training style and he had a new secret school where Snoke couldn't corrupt students before they were ready, those fresh recruits would create a very new dynamic. But instead of doing anything useful, the books are a secondary reason for him to stay on top of his Ben drama PTSD.

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