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Thanatos_the_Great
05/16/24 4:10:58 PM
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BewmHedshot posted...
For almost 250 years the process of elections kept the worst of us out of the office of president

It really didn't.

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Euripides
05/16/24 4:14:04 PM
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Thanatos_the_Great posted...
It really didn't.

Exactly. Andrew Jackson was as close to an American Hitler as we've seen (though Trump is currently saying 'hold my beer')

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justaguy3492
05/16/24 4:18:19 PM
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35 yes, but I think naturalized citizens should be able to be President as well.

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Smallville
05/16/24 4:26:16 PM
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justaguy3492 posted...
35 yes, but I think naturalized citizens should be able to be President as well.
I agree , bad rule imo

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Sufferedphoenix
05/17/24 11:17:53 AM
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reincarnator07 posted...
You don't, but that's generally because the 18 year old doesn't have the prerequisite skills and knowledge, not because they're 18. There's nothing actually stopping an 18 year old from becoming a CEO though.

In practice, you'll likely never see an 18 year old president, but I see no reason it should be forbidden in a country that was founded on the idea of all men being equal. If they can convince the electorate that they should be in power, then that is democracy for better or worse.

I feel one should have qualifications to be president. Not necessarily working up through the government but it's why initially I wasn't concerned with Trump he has ran businesses and you can say what you want about bankruptcies but I fully believe it was part of his strategy as you get tax exemptions on those. And America can almost be viewed as a business so I felt on paper he was qualified.

But also by 35 the average person at least back in the day had a good handle on how things worked where as you couldn't necessarily say that about a lot of 18 year Olds.

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Jerry_Hellyeah
05/17/24 12:16:25 PM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
I feel one should have qualifications to be president. Not necessarily working up through the government but it's why initially I wasn't concerned with Trump he has ran businesses and you can say what you want about bankruptcies but I fully believe it was part of his strategy as you get tax exemptions on those. And America can almost be viewed as a business so I felt on paper he was qualified.

"He was already so good at ripping off Americans to enrich himself. Seemed like a slam dunk!"

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reincarnator07
05/17/24 1:12:53 PM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
I feel one should have qualifications to be president. Not necessarily working up through the government but it's why initially I wasn't concerned with Trump he has ran businesses and you can say what you want about bankruptcies but I fully believe it was part of his strategy as you get tax exemptions on those. And America can almost be viewed as a business so I felt on paper he was qualified.

But also by 35 the average person at least back in the day had a good handle on how things worked where as you couldn't necessarily say that about a lot of 18 year Olds.
What qualifications would those be?

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Sufferedphoenix
05/18/24 5:14:38 AM
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Jerry_Hellyeah posted...
"He was already so good at ripping off Americans to enrich himself. Seemed like a slam dunk!"

Yeah Trump ain't a great example but I feel alot didn't know that damn much about him before voting for him. They just knew he was a rich CEO. But politicians are known for ripping people off so from their side of things perhaps he was a perfect fit.

reincarnator07 posted...
What qualifications would those be?

Anything that would make them very knowledgeable in something politicians deal with. Already mentioned a CEO. Perhaps someone who's a expert on the world and the various cultures and their governments; they might be good with foreign affairs.

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reincarnator07
05/18/24 7:33:09 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Yeah Trump ain't a great example but I feel alot didn't know that damn much about him before voting for him. They just knew he was a rich CEO. But politicians are known for ripping people off so from their side of things perhaps he was a perfect fit.

Anything that would make them very knowledgeable in something politicians deal with. Already mentioned a CEO. Perhaps someone who's a expert on the world and the various cultures and their governments; they might be good with foreign affairs.
So nothing age related then.

Politicians shouldn't be judged on their credentials, but their actions and plans.

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Sufferedphoenix
05/18/24 10:25:51 PM
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reincarnator07 posted...
So nothing age related then.

Politicians shouldn't be judged on their credentials, but their actions and plans.

Yeah no actions and plans can be great. Doesn't mean they are doable. Now I'm all for not putting hard limits on being president cause that can be abused but I hope for someone smart enough to surround themselves with people knowledgeable enough in the areas they are weaker in.

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reincarnator07
05/19/24 4:24:15 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Yeah no actions and plans can be great. Doesn't mean they are doable. Now I'm all for not putting hard limits on being president cause that can be abused but I hope for someone smart enough to surround themselves with people knowledgeable enough in the areas they are weaker in.
It doesn't but at least that's something that can be scrutinised. "I'm going to stop illegal aliens by building a wall and making Mexico pay for it" was certainly a plan, but it was fundamentally flawed in addition to being impossible, despite coming from (on paper) a successful CEO of several global businesses. In contrast, there are several proposals from people like AOC that are far more sound despite her literally being a bartender prior to her current position.

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Thanatos_the_Great
05/19/24 4:41:31 AM
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The fundamental problem with imposing qualifications of expertise for public office is that it's inevitably elitist. Who decides what those qualifications should be? It can only be existing experts. And those experts are almost certainly people with significantly above-average wealth and influence, and the qualifications they set - even if it's done entirely with the best of intentions (which there's no guarantee it would be) - would mean that public office could only be held by other people like them. It would be anti-democratic and exclude the majority of working class people. Fundamentally it's the same justification that was used for not giving poor people the vote - the rabble were too ignorant and stupid to be trusted with a say in running the country.

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hockeybabe89
05/19/24 5:14:46 AM
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We rarely see anyone under 50 as is. The age minimum seems pointless.

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Sufferedphoenix
05/19/24 7:42:14 AM
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reincarnator07 posted...
It doesn't but at least that's something that can be scrutinised. "I'm going to stop illegal aliens by building a wall and making Mexico pay for it" was certainly a plan, but it was fundamentally flawed in addition to being impossible, despite coming from (on paper) a successful CEO of several global businesses. In contrast, there are several proposals from people like AOC that are far more sound despite her literally being a bartender prior to her current position.

Nothing wrong with being a bartender if you know how to embellish your resume. Oh I've heard many sad stories from the people in the bar and have been able to give them solid advice and they returned another day in higher spirits. Could be a lie sure but people do that on resumes all the time. And either way AOC is working in the government earning her qualification to be president. I've been hearing her name long enough now perhaps she is qualified enough by now.

I honestly forget why I'm arguing this though as I'm just firmly in agreement there should be a minimum age for president as I feel most people in their 20s or lower just aren't mature enough for a position of that kinda power. MAYBE a minimum age limit or so many years working in a elected government position.


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Thanatos_the_Great
05/19/24 8:14:37 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
I feel most people in their 20s or lower just aren't mature enough for a position of that kinda power.

Neither are a lot of people in their 30s, 40s, 50s etc. And whether they are or not, it should be up to the voters to decide whether an individual candidate is mature enough, irrespective of age. Again, an age requirement is elitist and anti-democratic. When age requirements for public offices were introduced in the Roman Republic after a civil war, it was a deliberate shifting of power away from the people in favour of the elite; the same applies in modern society, the difference is only one of degree, not of kind.

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Sufferedphoenix
05/19/24 8:21:28 AM
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Thanatos_the_Great posted...
Neither are a lot of people in their 30s, 40s, 50s etc. And whether they are or not, it should be up to the voters to decide whether an individual candidate is mature enough, irrespective of age. Again, an age requirement is elitist and anti-democratic. When age requirements for public offices were introduced in the Roman Republic after a civil war, it was a deliberate shifting of power away from the people in favour of the elite; the same applies in modern society, the difference is only one of degree, not of kind.

I feel pretty sure there have been scientific studies on that a man's brain isn't fully developed till like 25 and that before that age they are more prone to taking huge risks the age was lower for women iirc.

But also the older you are the more life expierences you likely have. I will say no one idea can account for every variable a person's life could have so you just go with the average.

Perhaps that's why I argued qualifications (can't be bothered to skim through my previous posts as I forget all I've said) because with those you have documented evidence you are capable. I say evidence cause it might not be true. You coulda been shitty at a job but it never got documented you where shitty. And as we say in my state government job if it doesn't get written down it never happened.

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Thanatos_the_Great
05/19/24 8:32:17 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
I feel pretty sure there have been scientific studies on that a man's brain isn't fully developed till like 25

So what?

Sufferedphoenix posted...
But also the older you are the more life expierences you likely have.

You may also have forgotten what it's like to be a young person and therefore be less empathetic to their needs. There's no right age to be a legislator or a president.

Sufferedphoenix posted...
Perhaps that's why I argued qualifications (can't be bothered to skim through my previous posts as I forget all I've said) because with those you have documented evidence you are capable.

But the measure of what counts as "capable" will inevitably be elitist, as I've already explained.

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Sufferedphoenix
05/19/24 8:36:38 AM
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Thanatos_the_Great posted...
So what?

You may also have forgotten what it's like to be a young person and therefore be less empathetic to their needs. There's no right age to be a legislator or a president.

But the measure of what counts as "capable" will inevitably be elitist, as I've already explained.

Whatever you say I still would never be comfortable with a 18 or so president. I very clearly remember the average 18 or so year Olds back when i was that age and i wouldn't have trusted any of them to run a McDonald's let a lone a country.

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hockeybabe89
05/19/24 8:36:43 AM
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Doesn't our physical and mental health start going south some time in our 30s? If someone can be too young for office, then there also must be a point when they are too old. So there should be an age maximum as well. If that sounds too arbitrary and discriminatory, then don't have age limits of any kind.

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hockeybabe89
05/19/24 8:38:37 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Whatever you say I still would never be comfortable with a 18 or so president. I very clearly remember the average 18 or so year Olds back when i was that age and i wouldn't have trusted any of them to run a McDonald's let a lone a country.
We never even get 35 year olds running! Do we really need a limit because of the 1 in a trillion chance that a high schooler might win the Democrat or Republican nomination one day?

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Thanatos_the_Great
05/19/24 9:09:12 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Whatever you say I still would never be comfortable with a 18 or so president.

Then don't vote for one.

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Whiterun_Guard_
05/19/24 9:09:41 AM
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I feel like it should be higher.

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Goldenguy
05/19/24 9:14:01 AM
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I think it could be lowered to 30, but there needs to be an age cap for sure. If it were up to me, I would place that at age 72 on election day.

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GiftedACIII
05/19/24 9:20:10 AM
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bigblu89 posted...
Yes. More because I feel that probably gives someone enough time to truly get involved in the political process before trying to reach for the highest office in the nation.
What about at least several years in the political field? That certainly would've stopped Trump from getting elected.

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Lordgold666
05/19/24 9:58:53 AM
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Yes

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Iodine
05/19/24 10:56:13 AM
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Robot2600 posted...
yes and yes, but i also think over 70 is too old for president.


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reincarnator07
05/19/24 2:47:21 PM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Whatever you say I still would never be comfortable with a 18 or so president. I very clearly remember the average 18 or so year Olds back when i was that age and i wouldn't have trusted any of them to run a McDonald's let a lone a country.
There are 18 year olds I'd trust with that over the people we're actually getting in these positions.

However, their age is pretty irrelevant compared to their platform and policies. I don't think you'll get many candidates so young with any chance of winning, but I can't agree with arbitrary restrictions on who can run, especially when you start adding "qualifications" to the list. It gets dangerously close to literacy tests.

Ideally, there should be as few barriers as possible to participating in democracy. You should be able to get as many people as possible having an opportunity to prove themselves so that the best ideas can rise up. While I'm under no illusion that will happen in the USA in my life, we can still try and work towards that.

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CanardElastique
05/19/24 2:49:22 PM
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