Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 16 - Votals Numerology

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Honestly I want to lynch Ulti before Ctes but I know it's not the "optimal" play.

The constant revisionist history and changing his stances on a dime combined with claimed Cop scans that would be a mega punt leave little room for doubt.

He only started calling Death town when it was most convenient. Only called him scum early on.

TotallyNotMI posted...

Honestly kirby with how wrong you have been here you don't really have the ground to be mad right now

I'm not even mad. Just disappointed. But I'll admit I was wrong and maybe I don't have a good grasp of the game. So I'm gonna sit back and reevaluate.

Blade is just obnoxiously annoying and condescending, so I'm quite cross with him, especially because...

TotallyNotMI posted...

I would also love for this day not to last the full 48 hours because we really have no new information and we're just going to keep arguing the same points over and over and over and...

I can't handle that.

It's really just Ulti and Blade having a pissing contest. They won't ever shut up, but we'll have a more productive side conversation once everyone else is able to check in and evaluate the flip.

No, it's Blade catching scum, and that scum flailing in his usual contradictory ways.

You have to ask yourself outside of his claim what has Ulti actually done to earn any your trust past day 1.

Dude's been pushing whatever he feels like is the mislynch of the day and will change his reads on a dime to support them.

He went from adamantly defending Red to adamantly lynching Red in the Mafia equivalent of two seconds.

I wouldn't even say it's a throw. If MI isn't the last scum (and it's starting to look likelier that he's town), whoever these last scum seem to be are playing out of their minds.

Sure, we killed two scum back-to-back, but one was arguably a lucky shot that panned out into stopping a kill.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Okay Butterknife.

Ten years I ago would have just posted my role PM or replaced out, but I promised people Id play nice these days because no one wants that junk in games anymore.

See your "scans" would be a huge part of "the throw" if you were actually town.

But you don't even consider that.

Kirby321 posted...

I wouldn't even say it's a throw. If MI isn't the last scum (and it's starting to look likelier that he's town), whoever these last scum seem to be are playing out of their minds.

Sure, we killed two scum back-to-back, but one was arguably a lucky shot that panned out into stopping a kill.

Not gonna lie the fact that you're bad enough at Mafia to even humor the idea of 3/19 kinda makes me regret protecting you.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I think the likely answer if town loses is we lost to a stupid role. Which happens, thats easy to shrug off.

That said, MI town really makes things hard :(

Not really.

Yeah Ulti you know me.

I know I'm going to die tonight and I've taken the gloves off. I don't really care if I hurt his feelings when he's town confirming basically the entire game on almost entirely awful logic.

Meow1000 posted...

Yeah Ulti you know me.

I know I'm going to die tonight and I've taken the gloves off. I don't really care if I hurt his feelings when he's town confirming basically the entire game on almost entirely awful logic.

You know, I was just gonna brush it off and not say anything and just simply step away even if I felt disrespected from your earlier remark

But you're a toxic asshole. You can play the game without being demeaning and insulting. I was wrong, but you don't have to be an arse about it.

So whatever. Don't protect me. Let me die. I don't care. I'm not engaging with you any further.

Kirby your block on Wall is like the only reason in the game not to scumread you do you actually understand this

Also that's the first time you've actually admitted you're wrong about town confirming virtually everyone in the game so I'll take it.

Baby steps.

Remind me again, what are the actual reasons Death flipping town implicated Ulti or me whatsoever? Yes, him him flipping scum would've done the opposite, but how is this not drawing lines that had no reason to exist?

It confirms IGCD and Blade town. That should be all. Not great no but I was correct about Corrik and red don't be an ass about me being incorrect about Death.

Also I used to play almost every day of every game I was in like this.

This really is still just a shadow of my former self.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Remind me again, what are the actual reasons Death flipping town implicated Ulti or me whatsoever? Yes, him him flipping scum would've done the opposite, but how is this not drawing lines that had no reason to exist?

It confirms IGCD and Blade town. That should be all. Not great no but I was correct about Corrik and red don't be an ass about me being incorrect about Death.

You should've been the shot to begin with.

Ben has to be put firmly away from likely town now btw.

Because Kirby, Chang, IGCD and Blade are now confirmed and that leaves very little room. Probably why BS logic is being used against me. On the other hand Death seemed to believe it so who knows.

Chang is not and will never be confirmed town.

Meow1000 posted...

You should've been the shot to begin with.

So you quoted me without answering the question from that quote, great job.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Ben has to be put firmly away from likely town now btw.

Because Kirby, Chang, IGCD and Blade are now confirmed and that leaves very little room. Probably why BS logic is being used against me. On the other hand Death seemed to believe it so who knows.

Yeah, I'm starting to come to terms that Ben might not be so clean after all. If Ben is actually scum... first of all, this might be one of his best scum games ever. But also that means my Ben alignment detector would be officially broken beyond repair.

You'll have to forgive me if I'm still in denial. It's almost a matter of pride for me haha

My biggest town clear on Ben wad his reactions to my voteblock actually, maybe that was way off.

Don't Be a Dick Pre-Shot Votals
[1] Ulti - Blade
[1] Death - Changmas
[1] Ben - Ulti

Seriously Don't Be a Dick Do You Know How Much Extra Paperwork Discipline Is For Me The Host Post-Shot Votals
[2] Ctes - Blade, MI
[1] Ben - Ulti
[0] Ulti - (Blade)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day Ends May 15th at 6 PM EST

Its wild how during that IGCD shot how almost no two people agreed on who to shoot. Everyone cant be scum, so it can only mean some of us are very wrong. I tried to bring up something potentially town clearing Death and just about no one acknowledged it except Death himself and Ctes again.

For starters, I REALLY dont think Ulti is scum. Just based off his reactions now to Blade going after him. Ulti is so genuinely excited to get to dunk all over Blade post game, it does not look fake to me. That really reads as Town/Town fighting.

I'm really only between MI and Ctes now for who I can see being scum. Could very easily be both of them. If there's anyone else outside of them, there's something I've overlooked. I will read my chat last night as soon as i get a chance to see if IGCD being town clears Ctes in any way

Meow1000 posted...

Honestly I want to lynch Ulti before Ctes but I know it's not the "optimal" play.

The constant revisionist history and changing his stances on a dime combined with claimed Cop scans that would be a mega punt leave little room for doubt.

He only started calling Death town when it was most convenient. Only called him scum early on.

I can vouch for Ulti that changing his stances on a dime is unfortunately something he has done in the last couple games as town too.

Kirby321 posted...

I wouldn't even say it's a throw. If MI isn't the last scum (and it's starting to look likelier that he's town), whoever these last scum seem to be are playing out of their minds.

Sure, we killed two scum back-to-back, but one was arguably a lucky shot that panned out into stopping a kill.

Can you refresh my memory why he is likelier town?

PunishedBen posted...

Can you refresh my memory why he is likelier town?

Honestly, no logical reason. Just vibes.

And currently my vibes are feeling that I'm clueless as fuck and don't even know what's the truth anymore lol

UltimaterializerX posted...

What has Chang done outside day 2?

Bear in mind I hellmurdered these people day 1 and they needed a gambit after that.

Well, since no town is claiming the vanish on Lopen, we can assume that scum was responsible for that.

If so, we can hopefully assume that scum wasn't also given an ability to fully and unconditionally control everybody's votes for a day.

If Chang is scum, we lynch the arch-chancellor

Let me just post everything me and Ctes talked about in regards to IGCD getting protected so that everyone can look at it and see if it means anything. You'll see that we only speculated Kirby would jail IGCD, didnt talk about who Blade would protect at all.

CTES
Do you think scum are afraid of the vig shot?
Assuming igcd town

BEN
Hmmm

CTES
I think they have to be to some degree. But less so if an "obvious shot" is town

BEN
Sorry I'm at work someone called and pulled me away lol

CTES
He did voice interest in shooting me

BEN
But i was gonna say it depends on who scum is;. But thats worth thinking about

CTES
No worries I'll just blabber in the meantime

BEN
Like if I was scum I know IGCD wouldnt shoot me, so I'd leave him alone

CTES
I think a team of MI and Death would be worried but also know they had a chance with him shooting me.

BEN
Lets say scum shoots IGCD. It keeps the impasse loop open. Keeping suspicion on both Ulti and Blade. It also allows Ulti to scan MI, potentially guilty or potentially a mislynch they need. If IGCD misses and hits town though, it also gives town one less day right? Maybe the risk reward is not only worth it but neccassary if MI and Death are the only scum left
There's also the possbility IGCD is scum, in which case he's not getting shot and definitely shooting town tomorrow.

CTES
If they shoot him they have to deal with Ulti yeah
So probbaly more likely they have to bank a wrong shot imo

BEN
Thats where I land.
It still feels impossible for scum to win this game so why am I so unsure

CTES
They also got one of the worst starts in a long time, it should be
Kirby might jk igcd
If there is a night he would use it for protection to would be now imo
Otherwise he probably picks death or MI

BEN
OH RIGHT. Maybe even more so if he is expecting you to bet your life on it lol

CTES
Since they claim to do nothing
Why moreso that would kill me
I can guess no kill
But them shooting at igcd and him surviving would mean I died

BEN
Because he'll want to prove that you are scum or not and you either die and flip town, and IGCD is confirmed town and lives. Or you live and then he gets to prove you are scum
Basically its directing scum to shoot you, who he trusts less than IGCD
Or it proves you scum
This is the first time I'm thinking about what Kirby is going to do. I'd rather he just roleblocked Death or MI but this play would be funny
or it roleblocks IGCD...!
Oh wait

CTES
I think there is a decent chance he does it

BEN
Maybe Kirby blocking MI one of those nights is why we didnt see the Bus drive till now

CTES
But to prove me seems a bit dumb

BEN

Yeah Ben and I both had Ulti/Kirby/Chang/FD as town and Blsde in the PoE. Last night's actions change that and you have to reconsider a bit.

I could post the entire chat but it's tedious and freaking work people keep hovering over me. Just doing the last one took like 30 minutes

I can do it with when I get home if there's even a single person interested in reading it

UltimaterializerX posted...

I practically begged him to shoot me. It was a perfect pro town play and I meant it when I said I would never make fun of him after I flip town. Thats the right time to do it. You cant waste a lynch flipping me.

Yeah you're right, this was kind of a weird vig shot, like if it had been a regular one Corrik would have been shot first post lol

Kirby321 posted...

Yeah, I'm starting to come to terms that Ben might not be so clean after all. If Ben is actually scum... first of all, this might be one of his best scum games ever. But also that means my Ben alignment detector would be officially broken beyond repair.

You'll have to forgive me if I'm still in denial. It's almost a matter of pride for me haha

No, you're 100% right to read me town. This game is just wild and I don't know if I've ever felt this unsure even though it still seems like it should be impossible for scum to win. As Lea once said....mafia is hard.

Ulti: there is no godfather

also ulti: blade assimilated lopens role and became a godfather