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SHRlKE
05/27/24 1:54:42 PM
#151:


Im on the side of innocent people dying needlessly. That seems to be the only sane position to take. As such the attack on the Rafah camp should be condemned by everyone.

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TimeForAction
05/27/24 1:59:48 PM
#152:


I feel bad for the Palestinians that didnt line up besides Hamas
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Kimberly
05/27/24 2:03:20 PM
#153:


Even the ones that did were almost certainly forced to under threat of death or harm to their loved ones.

It's actually ok to say you just don't want a genocide to take place without putting any weird caveats on it.

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YellowSUV
05/27/24 2:05:28 PM
#154:


Reposting this from a topic I made that got no responses yet:

Egyptian soldier killed in Israel border incident

A developing story, not exactly clear what happened yet. It happened near Rafah. Recently, Hamas has launched missiles from Rafah and Israel has bombed a refugee camp in Rafah. Not sure if this has to do with tensions boiling over between Egypt and Israel or if it was some friendly fire incident between Egypt and Israel because of all the things happening in Rafah recently.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51108le52xo

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VFalcone
05/27/24 2:07:20 PM
#155:


CommonStar posted...
They burned children and babies alive in tents last night.

I want the people that are still defending Israel and the US being complicit, to understand what side they are on. I wish I could post half the stuff Israel is doing to Palestinians here so you can't avert your eyes, but it'd be against ToS.
Sad reality is that those people will, and already are, disregarding their lives entirely because one Hamas guy was there. Those innocents just don't matter.

It reminds me of COVID in a way. It's insane how mass death can be completely ignored once the people become a number. We can have 300 Palestinians be killed in one attack and it won't matter at all to the world. Just like how 4,500 people dying every day to COVID in the US meant nothing. The numbers get so big and frequent that society just stops caring.

Edit: Oh and the people who disregard death for political reasons? No amount of death is too much for them.
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GameFAQs_lover
05/27/24 2:11:33 PM
#156:


YellowSUV posted...
Reposting this from a topic I made that got no responses yet:

Egyptian soldier killed in Israel border incident

A developing story, not exactly clear what happened yet. It happened near Rafah. Recently, Hamas has launched missiles from Rafah and Israel has bombed a refugee camp in Rafah. Not sure if this has to do with tensions boiling over between Egypt and Israel or if it was some friendly fire incident between Egypt and Israel because of all the things happening in Rafah recently.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51108le52xo
My personal guess is that the Egyptian soldier wanted to defend some innocents on the other side of the wall and got killed for it. Just my feeling.

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Cheater87
05/27/24 2:17:51 PM
#157:


My mom and I had an argument about this yesterday and she went down the whole, if Israel drops their weapons and goes away, what happens to them next?

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conduit
05/27/24 2:29:18 PM
#158:


Cheater87 posted...
My mom and I had an argument about this yesterday and she went down the whole, if Israel drops their weapons and goes away, what happens to them next?

yeah, imagine pinning some guy to the floor and strangling him. what happens when you let go? Its understandable this fear that the oppressors have, "what if we stop brutalising Palestinians? what if we let them out of their concentration camp? what if they're still mad and want revenge on us because of the decades of war crimes we did to them?" So what then? Just keep killing Palestinians until they're all dead?

it's the tribalism that's the worst part. the more closely you identify with a particular group, the less able you are to empathise with anyone outside that group. everyone just becomes dehumanised to you unless they're part of your in-group.

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CobraGT
05/27/24 3:01:58 PM
#159:


Business as usual in Israel though:

As the strike drew mounting global outrage, the Israeli military said it had targeted two senior Hamas leaders in Rafah and that a full investigation would be conducted into civilian deaths "in the area of the strike."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-ministry-reports-killed-strike-hit-civilian-tents-rafah-rcna154136

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Foppe
05/27/24 3:04:50 PM
#160:


At least Israel calls it a tragic mistake.

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Cheater87
05/27/24 3:09:39 PM
#161:


Foppe posted...
At least Israel calls it a tragic mistake.

I doubt they mean it.

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CountCorvinus
05/27/24 4:35:10 PM
#162:


Has this link been posted yet?

https://arab.org/click-to-help/

They take the ad revenue generated from clicks and donate to charities.

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Trumble
05/27/24 4:45:07 PM
#163:


Kimberly posted...
Even the ones that did were almost certainly forced to under threat of death or harm to their loved ones.

It's actually ok to say you just don't want a genocide to take place without putting any weird caveats on it.
Until people who respond to such criticism with "but Hamas!" or with genocide downplaying/denial are consistently moderated for trolling (or offensive in the latter case), your second paragraph is only true in theory.

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Zikten
05/27/24 6:01:49 PM
#164:


CommonStar posted...
They burned children and babies alive in tents last night.

I want the people that are still defending Israel and the US being complicit, to understand what side they are on. I wish I could post half the stuff Israel is doing to Palestinians here so you can't avert your eyes, but it'd be against ToS.
I think many Israel Defenders don't realize how bad it is. The American mainstream media works to censor the slaughter. I have a lot of arguments with my dad about this. He never hears about most of the atrocities. Until I tell him, and he usually thinks it's made up or exaggerated . He only gets mainstream news
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Kimberly
05/27/24 6:04:01 PM
#165:


Trumble posted...
Until people who respond to such criticism with "but Hamas!" or with genocide downplaying/denial are consistently moderated for trolling (or offensive in the latter case), your second paragraph is only true in theory.

I literally just did it.

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CountCorvinus
05/27/24 6:16:06 PM
#166:


CobraGT posted...
Business as usual in Israel though:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gaza-ministry-reports-killed-strike-hit-civilian-tents-rafah-rcna154136

If I remember correctly, the UN deputy chief in Rafah was watching from the window and the people in the tents left because it is not safe but then other people settled in the tents because they had no place to go and no strength left to go there.
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DnDer
05/27/24 8:46:42 PM
#167:


Zikten posted...
He only gets mainstream news

What is "mainstream news" if he's not hearing about this stuff?

If I go back through the topics (and especially if I could the purged topics), I'm sure the percentage of mainstream news links that aren't on-the-ground videos from Twitter is going to be 50%+ because I've seen a ton of AP, Reuters, CNN, AJ, WaPo, NYT, and a stack of the other default news outlets people consume that are directly addressing the atrocities and genocides and reporting on what experts are saying. None of it has been that obscure.

Mainstream news is covering the genocide. Not like it should, with robust condemnation that a free press serving as a Fourth Estate should... but at least theyre reporting it. And anyone not aware at this point has willingly turned their back and plugged their ears, if you're asking me.

So what's he actually consuming?

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Zikten
05/27/24 11:27:17 PM
#168:


Tv news mostly is what I mean when I say mainstream
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SHRlKE
05/28/24 3:58:42 AM
#169:


Probably a slight tangent but worth reminding a lot of the footage on the news is from 3rd party sources. Most western news agencies dont actually have anyone in Gaza. In fact I think thats by design.

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SHRlKE
05/28/24 4:02:27 AM
#170:


Kimberly posted...
I literally just did it.

Were in a weird world where if users dont explicitly condemn Netanyahu on a regular basis then they get called out. Its very tiresome needing to add an extra paragraph stating that explicitly to every post just in case.

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ai123
05/28/24 4:19:28 AM
#171:


Foppe posted...
At least Israel calls it a tragic mistake.

No. And the difference is significant.

'Tragic mishap' is what they called it. 'Mistake' implies error/responsibility. 'Mishap' is just unfortunate happenstance with no fault applying.

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Trumble
05/28/24 5:22:39 AM
#172:


SHRlKE posted...
Were in a weird world where if users dont explicitly condemn Netanyahu on a regular basis then they get called out. Its very tiresome needing to add an extra paragraph stating that explicitly to every post just in case.
If someone is exaggerating Hamas's actions, or attributing them to the general Palestinian population, etc, then it's blatantly obvious what their intent is, whether they sign off with a token anti-Netanyahu statement or not.

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SHRlKE
05/28/24 5:33:21 AM
#173:


Oh I agree completely. I just didnt get the response to Kimberley thats all.

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ZechtAurion
05/28/24 8:00:02 AM
#174:


ai123 posted...
No. And the difference is significant.

'Tragic mishap' is what they called it. 'Mistake' implies error/responsibility. 'Mishap' is just unfortunate happenstance with no fault applying.

Cheater87 posted...
I doubt they mean it.
Guys, Foppe was obviously being facetious.

Anyway, here is a good reminder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-XtLKMu0wI

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Foppe
05/28/24 8:07:50 AM
#175:


From the link above my post;
In an address to the Knesset on Monday, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called the strike a tragic incident," his office said, clarifying comments made in Hebrew that could be translated in English as either a tragic mishap or a tragic mistake.

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Foppe
05/28/24 10:52:16 AM
#176:


https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/28/spying-hacking-intimidation-israel-war-icc-exposed
Israel have tried to silence the ICC for 9 years.

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CountCorvinus
05/28/24 7:04:57 PM
#177:


That pier US built to provide humanitarian aid to the people that we're also helping Israel drop bombs on has fallen apart.

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1795514987424760193

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ManaYuka
05/28/24 7:18:28 PM
#178:


Us is responsible for all the crimes of Israel. We need change. Massive change. Shadow post for tab purposes.

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Trumble
05/28/24 7:20:32 PM
#179:


ManaYuka posted...
Us is responsible for all the crimes of Israel. We need change. Massive change. Shadow post for tab purposes.
I would say partially responsible. The US is enabling them but Israel are still the ones actually carrying out the actions. (And within both, it's important to realize that it's not the average citizen that's responsible.)

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divot1338
05/28/24 7:34:51 PM
#180:


Not that I expect anything different from CNN but we can clearly see that the pier is in fact not broken apart.

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divot1338
05/28/24 7:39:43 PM
#181:


Nikki Haley, the failed Republican presidential nominee, signed Israeli artillery shells with the inscription Finish Them! on a Memorial Day visit to Israel.

The former South Carolina governors graphic display of support came on a trip to Israels northern border with Lebanon, where she was accompanied by Danny Danon, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations and a noted hawkish member of Benjamin Netanyahus Likud party in the Knesset.

Her shell-signing activities came at a time when Israel is engaged in a devastating military offensive in Gaza that has so far killed more than 36,000 Palestinians, an estimated 15,000 of them children.

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emblem-man
05/28/24 8:19:12 PM
#182:


https://x.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1795457170504335813?t=48-1O0udyzje6PGcmUHLnw&s=19

You guys hearing anything more to this story about the recent attack in Rafah?

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Vyrulisse
05/28/24 8:20:15 PM
#183:


emblem-man posted...
https://x.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1795457170504335813?t=48-1O0udyzje6PGcmUHLnw&s=19

You guys hearing anything more to this story about the recent attack in Rafah?
That's bullshit.
I literally saw the bodies of women and children the night it happened when I clicked the trending link on Twitter. I will never forget it.

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emblem-man
05/28/24 8:27:12 PM
#184:


Sorry, I meant this part:
The IDF suspects that due to the precision strike, ammunition, weapons, or some other combustible substance it was unaware was stored there caused a secondary explosion, leading to a fire that spread in an area housing displaced Gazans and killing several civilians.

As in, have there been any other stories about there being rockets/ammunition in the area that caused a fire?

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Trumble
05/28/24 8:30:04 PM
#185:


emblem-man posted...
Sorry, I meant this part:

As in, have there been any other stories about there being rockets/ammunition in the area that caused a fire?
The correct way to handle claims like this from the IDF is to dismiss them as lies until actual evidence is put forward.

It's well established that Israel's MO is to lie about things like these in the hope that by the time the truth comes out, everyone has moved on to something else. And that's why it's so important to NEVER give them any benefit of the doubt in the absence of solid evidence.

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emblem-man
05/28/24 8:35:37 PM
#186:


Trumble posted...
The correct way to handle claims like this from the IDF is to dismiss them as lies until actual evidence is put forward.

It's well established that Israel's MO is to lie about things like these in the hope that by the time the truth comes out, everyone has moved on to something else. And that's why it's so important to NEVER give them any benefit of the doubt in the absence of solid evidence.

I mean, they have satellite images and an audio recording of people discussing the strike, and there being secondary explosions is why I'm mainly bringing it up. I just don't know if the satellite images and recordings have been verified by others

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Trumble
05/28/24 8:40:49 PM
#187:


emblem-man posted...
I just don't know if the satellite images and recordings have been verified by others
And what exactly might you be trying to achieve by drawing attention to an unverified statement defending the IDF, hm?

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emblem-man
05/28/24 8:47:49 PM
#188:


Looks like there's drone video as well

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/28/israel-claims-deadly-rafah-blaze-caused-by-secondary-explosion

There are no tents near the structure," he said, while displaying surveillance video from a drone. Hagari said "unforeseen circumstances" led to the fire.


Trumble posted...
And what exactly might you be trying to achieve by drawing attention to an unverified statement defending the IDF, hm?

Please, I'm not trying to insinuate anything. It's been a day since the attack, I'm seeing if any new info has come out and if it's been verified that the fire was directly caused by the strike from Israel, or if it happened due to there being ammunition in the refugee camp. I'm literally trying to see if any claims about the attack have been verified

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TheFuzz3451
05/28/24 8:52:11 PM
#189:


Trumble posted...
The correct way to handle claims like this from the IDF is to dismiss them as lies until actual evidence is put forward.

This. And btw obviously fabricated "intercepted audio" does not count as actual evidence

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CommonStar
05/28/24 8:55:06 PM
#190:


Crazy how they once again intercept a call that wholly absolves them of their latest war crime involving two Gazans that speak broken arabic in a thick Israeli accent.
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TheFuzz3451
05/28/24 8:57:18 PM
#191:


CountCorvinus posted...
That pier US built to provide humanitarian aid to the people that we're also helping Israel drop bombs on has fallen apart.

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1795514987424760193

It lasted like a week. Hell did any of the aid delivered actually wind up reaching civilians?

I knew it was a PR stunt but even I didn't expect it to go that badly

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divot1338
05/28/24 9:03:25 PM
#192:


TheFuzz3451 posted...
It lasted like a week. Hell did any of the aid delivered actually wind up reaching civilians?

I knew it was a PR stunt but even I didn't expect it to go that badly
Its easier to just reject your entire statement than it is to go through all the shit you managed to get wrong.

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Trumble
05/28/24 9:05:35 PM
#193:


TheFuzz3451 posted...
This. And btw obviously fabricated "intercepted audio" does not count as actual evidence
Yup.

At this point, except if there's solid evidence, anyone giving Israel even the slightest benefit of the doubt should be viewed with extreme suspicion. There's enough of a track record by now that no one operating in good faith could have any doubts.

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MrMolinaro
05/28/24 9:18:54 PM
#194:


TheFuzz3451 posted...
It lasted like a week. Hell did any of the aid delivered actually wind up reaching civilians?

I knew it was a PR stunt but even I didn't expect it to go that badly

Not as far as I know. The aid was being delivered to warehouses for distribution, but there was no security plan in place to distribute the aid.
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divot1338
05/28/24 9:21:50 PM
#195:


The pier will be operational again in ten days according to the actual article which youll note
does not align with the articles headline.

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VFalcone
05/28/24 9:39:34 PM
#196:


Remember when Israel found the maimed, raped, dead body of a poor little girl who was taken hostage, took pictures of her body, told her family about what happened to her, and then she was given to the Red Cross totally fine with no injuries?

Or that one young man held hostage that Israel found dead who was then also given to the Red Cross alive in good health?

Or that gigantic underground headquarters under al-Shifa Hospital that the IDF confirmed existed using satellite imagery and had a whole 3D model detailing every inch of the extensive system, and then after destroying everything and killing everyone there, didn't find anything and moved on?

Or the two random Christian women that Israel definitely didn't snipe while they were going to Church?

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Foppe
05/29/24 1:46:40 AM
#197:


divot1338 posted...
Not that I expect anything different from CNN but we can clearly see that the pier is in fact not broken apart.
*opens article*
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Hornezz
05/29/24 9:24:20 AM
#198:


Israel's operation in Rafah doesn't cross US red lines - White House

The US does not believe Israel has launched a full-scale invasion of Rafah in southern Gaza, White House spokesman John Kirby has said.

He spoke hours after Israeli forces reached the centre of the city and reportedly seized a strategically important hill overlooking the nearby border with Egypt.

US President Joe Biden said this month he would limit weapons supplies to Israel if it entered the population centres of Rafah, where hundreds of thousands of civilians are still believed to be sheltering.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cv22pl9p212o

So the ongoing massacres still have the White House stamp of approval.

The continuous bombardments on Rafah, IDF tanks in the city center, and a million people fleeing the city somehow don't count as a 'full scale invasion'.

As a reminder, this is what VP Harris said 2 months ago, prior to the attack on Rafah:
"Any major military operation in Rafah would be a huge mistake. The White House is ruling out nothing in terms of consequences if Netanyahu moves ahead with the assault."

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Ricemills
05/29/24 9:38:48 AM
#199:


Trumble posted...
And what exactly might you be trying to achieve by drawing attention to an unverified statement defending the IDF, hm?

He's a well known Zionist. Better ignore all his claims regarding this genocide, because he's a denier.

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emblem-man
05/29/24 9:44:44 AM
#200:


Ricemills posted...
He's a well known Zionist. Better ignore all his claims regarding this genocide, because he's a denier.

Wtf man

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