Current Events > '$2M is nothing.' Don't retire early if you don't have at least $5M-$10M

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wackyteen
05/19/24 7:18:15 AM
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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/2-million-nothing-suze-orman-200011774.html

On the "Afford Anything" podcast, Suze Orman delivered a pointed critique on the notion of retiring early with a $2 million portfolio. She was direct in her advice, emphasizing the insufficiency of such an amount for early retirement. "Two million dollars is nothing," Orman declared, "Its nothing. Its pennies in todays world, to tell you the truth."
Orman expanded on the potential financial dangers that could deplete such savings quickly. "If you have $20 [million], $40 [million], $50 [million] or $100 million, be like me, okay. If you have that kind of money and you want to retire, fine," she explained, contrasting this with the risks faced by those with less substantial sums. "But if you only have a few hundred thousand dollars, or a million, or $2 million, Im here to tell you...if a catastrophe happens...what are you going to do? You are going to burn up alive."
Addressing the common retirement strategy of withdrawing 4% annually, Orman was skeptical: "I think that in the long run, $80,000, especially after taxes and as you get older, is not going to be enough. You may think its going to be enough, but its just not," she stated firmly.
Her advice underscores the importance of ample financial cushioning, particularly if unexpected costs arise, such as health care or family support needs. "Think about it logically," Orman urged, highlighting potential expenses that could easily top hundreds of thousands annually.
When asked if $3 million was enough Orman firmly stated it was not. "If you dont have at least $5 million or $10 million, dont retire early," Suze asserted.
Ormans assertion that individuals need "at least $5 million to retire early" stirred a mix of reactions, with some viewing it as excessively cautious while others validate her perspective.
Financial Samurai supports Ormans viewpoint, highlighting that with todays low interest rates, a larger capital is necessary to generate sufficient risk-adjusted income for early retirement. This is particularly relevant considering the need to depend more on investment income due to the diminishing reliability of traditional retirement income sources like Social Security and pensions.
While Orman faced significant backlash for her statements, with critics arguing that her figures are unattainable for most, the underlying principle she advocates is prudence.
This idea resonates with a segment of the financial community that sees the wisdom in ensuring a substantial financial buffer to address uncertainties in retirement, especially given potential long-term trends such as increasing health care costs and ongoing economic fluctuations. Orman's conservative approach, advocating for a higher threshold of retirement savings, reflects a cautious strategy designed to safeguard against the unknowns of future decades.
Financial planning is crucial for a secure retirement, and while Suze Ormans recommendations may not be suitable for everyone, consulting a financial advisor can help you craft a personalized plan that aligns with your unique goals and risk tolerance. An advisor can help you assess your current financial situation, including your income, expenses, debts, and savings, and create a road map to reach your retirement goals.

Will you have the millions required to retire early?

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Giacomo_Hawkins
05/19/24 7:38:09 AM
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Early and on time are vague objectives. My plan is to retire in about 25 years at around age 65 as long as I keep enjoying my job.

I should be able to retire five years before that with sufficient benefits to live reasonably comfortably, but there's a significant jump in benefits if I wait until at least age 62 to retire.

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action52
05/19/24 7:42:12 AM
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I believe most people shouldn't retire early, even if they have a lot of money. There are studies showing that having the structure of things you have to do most days of the week is good for your mental health. And that people who don't retire are healthier and live longer.

I think if you save up enough money, rather than just not working you should switch to a job that you like. Or keep doing it if you really like it. You could switch to part time too if you want to give yourself lots of free time but still have some structure in your life.

$2 million is definitely enough that you could switch to a low paying job then retire a few decades later with no problem. Unless you want to live somewhere really expensive, like a swanky part of New York or something. Then I guess you would need $5 million or so.

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Glob
05/19/24 7:42:58 AM
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I plan to retire by the time Im 45.
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BDSMKane
05/19/24 7:44:53 AM
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This is too subjective to give a firm figure, but I know the old goal of $1m is generally insufficient for a couple to retire on. Unfortunately, to 50+ year olds who have been working since gas was $0.49/gallon, that extra digit still holds great significance.

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LeCh0nk
05/19/24 7:47:34 AM
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These "experts" are so far disconnected with reality I'm surprised they're not zooming in from Mars

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Sufferedphoenix
05/19/24 7:50:50 AM
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Yeah I did the math a few years ago and with what my salary was then I would have gotten a little over a million in the 30 years it takes to fully retire from that job. I assume I would live at least another 30 years after that so I woulda needed another million in income cause I was living a comfortable but meager life aka all my needs where met but I really had to budget for unnecessary stuff.

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Mearcstapa
05/19/24 7:50:51 AM
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$2M in a 30 year treasury bond right now earns you a risk-free $90k per year. That's plenty to retire on, unless you're a degenerate spender.

fuck off, Suze.

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