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CableZL
05/19/24 9:31:32 PM
#1:


Im starting to pick up on and understand bits and pieces of Japanese being spoken when I hear it in anime, which is pretty cool. Im also starting to be able to at least read (and sometimes understand) the Japanese titles as well as some of the written sound effects in manga.

Im now on the Duolingo section where you learn to talk about hobbies like playing basketball/soccer/baseball, listening to music/jazz/rock/J pop, reading books/manga/news, watching news/TV.

Another day, another step towards hopefully becoming fluent one day.

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Unsuprised_Pika
05/19/24 9:39:55 PM
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Watashi ga itte iru koto rikai shi teru

I put a sentence through google translate lol

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DKBananaSlamma
05/19/24 9:43:11 PM
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I need to get on this too. Keep it up!

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1337toothbrush
05/19/24 9:47:43 PM
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SauI_Goodman
05/19/24 9:48:37 PM
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Domo arigato mr. Roboto
domo

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Toonstrack
05/19/24 9:52:43 PM
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That's impressive. I wanna finish leaning Spanish and/or move onto Italian. I could be fluent in Spanish by now but I slacked off for years. I can actually still read it sometimes, simple stuff.

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CableZL
05/19/24 9:57:23 PM
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Toonstrack posted...
That's impressive. I wanna finish leaning Spanish and/or move onto Italian. I could be fluent in Spanish by now but I slacked off for years. I can actually still read it sometimes, simple stuff.

Yeah, I know a tiny tiny bit of Spanish. I wanted to learn Japanese in high school, but my mom forced me to take Spanish instead. I get why, but I wish I had just taken Japanese classes any way.

My first Spanish 1 teacher was from France and had a thick French accent. She said her French accent prevented her from rolling her Rs properly for Spanish. Then she got mad at us late in the year because we didnt know how to roll our Rs properly either. My 2nd Spanish 1 teacher was GREAT. Then she quit because the kids were so bad. My Spanish 2 teacher was OK, but I didnt retain much. We mostly just did worksheets instead of more verbal learning in her class.

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Toonstrack
05/19/24 10:01:42 PM
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CableZL posted...
Yeah, I know a tiny tiny bit of Spanish. I wanted to learn Japanese in high school, but my mom forced me to take Spanish instead. I get why, but I wish I had just taken Japanese classes any way.

My first Spanish 1 teacher was from France and had a thick French accent. She said her French accent prevented her from rolling her Rs properly for Spanish. Then she got mad at us late in the year because we didnt know how to roll our Rs properly either. My 2nd Spanish 1 teacher was GREAT. Then she quit because the kids were so bad. My Spanish 2 teacher was OK, but I didnt retain much. We mostly just did worksheets instead of more verbal learning in her class.

My Spanish teacher wasn't bad, I absolutely suck at rolling the Rs, it just doesn't come out right at all. I approach my native language English with a more methodical and thought out way of speech so when I try to speak Spanish it sounds especially disjointed. Its been a while since I even attempted tho. I really gotta get back on it,

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SauI_Goodman
05/19/24 10:11:02 PM
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Italian's a phenomenonal language. Not much use for it in America sadly. Was fairly prominent up until the early 80s. Sad to see such a beautiful language dying.

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Mistere_Man
05/19/24 10:11:59 PM
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What does it teach for numbers 4 and 7?

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CommonStar
05/19/24 10:17:27 PM
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japanesepod101 is a good learning audio to put in the background while you do other things.
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Toonstrack
05/19/24 10:17:44 PM
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SauI_Goodman posted...
Italian's a phenomenonal language. Not much use for it in America sadly. Was fairly prominent up until the early 80s. Sad to see such a beautiful language dying.

I follow a lot of artists especially in the comics scene who are from Italy so thats part of what interests me. Id love to visit someday

I've heard Spanish to Italian is a pretty lateral move that allows you to make quicker progress but jdk

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CableZL
05/19/24 10:20:43 PM
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Mistere_Man posted...
What does it teach for numbers 4 and 7?

For 4, Ive learned yon / / . Yon ji ) is 4 oclock. Yon sai (is 4 years old.
For 7, Ive learned nana / / . Nana ji is 7 oclock and nana sai is 7 years old. Ive also learned that shichi is an alternate pronunciation for , but Duolingo is mostly using nana so far.

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_____Cait
05/19/24 10:24:18 PM
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Duolingo is kind of crap with non-roman alphabet languages. Plus the Japanese grammar and pronunciation is unnatural.

Id also stay away from anime, and veer towards dramas if you want to watch stuff. Anime Japanese is. Never how people here actually speak. Youre going to embarrass yourself if you mimic that. The morning dramas are good if you can stomach them.

Its really hard to find good ways to learn Japanese, as hardly anyone outside Japan speaks it, but boy do so many internet people and youtubers love to think they are fluent because of anime. Please focus on what people who live there, or foreigners who have lived there ( not toured there) suggest.

Most people will say use Anki, as it has the most accurate and useful learning tools for Japanese. You could also find online teachers, but. Thats hard to find a Japanese person who actually understands the needs of a foreigner learning Japanese. The way they learn Japanese is not the way a westerner learns a language.

Anyway, use Anki, write in a notebook, repetitive phrases. Its boring but it will help you if you dont have anyone else to speak to. Duolingo is for freshening up, but it will not teach you good Japanese.

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_____Cait
05/19/24 10:25:48 PM
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CableZL posted...
For 4, Ive learned yon / / . Yon ji ) is 4 oclock. Yon sai (is 4 years old.
For 7, Ive learned nana / / . Nana ji is 7 oclock and nana sai is 7 years old. Ive also learned that shichi is an alternate pronunciation for , but Duolingo is mostly using nana so far.

Its mostly contextual like with counters. Dont listen to internet weirdos who think it is because of some dumb death taboo.

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CableZL
05/19/24 10:26:42 PM
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_____Cait posted...
Duolingo is kind of crap with non-roman alphabet languages. Plus the Japanese grammar and pronunciation is unnatural.

Id also stay away from anime, and veer towards dramas if you want to watch stuff. Anime Japanese is. Never how people here actually speak. Youre going to embarrass yourself if you mimic that. The morning dramas are good if you can stomach them.

Its really hard to find good ways to learn Japanese, as hardly anyone outside Japan speaks it, but boy do so many internet people and youtubers love to think they are fluent because of anime. Please focus on what people who live there, or foreigners who have lived there ( not toured there) suggest.

Most people will say use Anki, as it has the most accurate and useful learning tools for Japanese. You could also find online teachers, but. Thats hard to find a Japanese person who actually understands the needs of a foreigner learning Japanese. The way they learn Japanese is not the way a westerner learns a language.

Anyway, use Anki, write in a notebook, repetitive phrases. Its boring but it will help you if you dont have anyone else to speak to. Duolingo is for freshening up, but it will not teach you good Japanese.

My plan right now is to use Duolingo to learn the basics of hiragana, katakana, and basic phrases. At some point, Im going to move on to another tool like Anki or something else. Ive already started using a Youtube video to help me drill hiragana characters because I felt like I wasnt learning them well enough with Duolingo alone.

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_____Cait
05/19/24 10:27:21 PM
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_____Cait posted...
Duolingo is kind of crap with non-roman alphabet languages. Plus the Japanese grammar and pronunciation is unnatural.

Id also stay away from anime, and veer towards dramas if you want to watch stuff. Anime Japanese is. Never how people here actually speak. Youre going to embarrass yourself if you mimic that. The morning dramas are good if you can stomach them.

Its really hard to find good ways to learn Japanese, as hardly anyone outside Japan speaks it, but boy do so many internet people and youtubers love to think they are fluent because of anime. Please focus on what people who live there, or foreigners who have lived there ( not toured there) suggest.

Most people will say use Anki, as it has the most accurate and useful learning tools for Japanese. You could also find online teachers, but. Thats hard to find a Japanese person who actually understands the needs of a foreigner learning Japanese. The way they learn Japanese is not the way a westerner learns a language.

Anyway, use Anki, write in a notebook, repetitive phrases. Its boring but it will help you if you dont have anyone else to speak to. Duolingo is for freshening up, but it will not teach you good Japanese. Also, HelloTalk will introduce you to many native speakers who you can chat with, as long as you dont act like a creep and try to date them, like some guys do.


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1337toothbrush
05/19/24 10:27:42 PM
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_____Cait posted...
Anime Japanese is. Never how people here actually speak.


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_____Cait
05/19/24 10:29:04 PM
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CableZL posted...
My plan right now is to use Duolingo to learn the basics of hiragana, katakana, and basic phrases. At some point, Im going to move on to another tool like Anki or something else. Ive already started using a Youtube video to help me drill hiragana characters because I felt like I wasnt learning them well enough with Duolingo alone.

The one good thing that Duolingo does is the Hiragana and Katakana specific lessons.

But the better way is to write them every day. You can also buy posters and hang them on your walls so you can constantly be surrounded by them. Hiragana and kayakana can be pretty quick.

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CableZL
05/19/24 10:33:30 PM
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And yeah, my plan wasnt to go to Japan or even a Japanese restaurant speaking like an anime character. My goal with anime is to understand what is being said in Japanese. Hopefully one day Ill be able to watch with Japanese audio and not need subtitles.

For actually interacting with people in Japanese, Im not planning to rely solely on Duolingo at all.

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geshkigal
05/19/24 10:34:17 PM
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Nice, keep at it. I'm using Duolingo myself... on a 1400+ day streak in Japanese.

I know there are better tools for learning, but I'm only doing this casually, doing 2-3 lessons a day.

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CableZL
05/19/24 10:35:30 PM
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geshkigal posted...
Nice, keep at it. I'm using Duolingo myself... on a 1400+ day streak in Japanese.

I know there are better tools for learning, but I'm only doing this casually, doing 2-3 lessons a day.

Yeah, Im not really in a rush, but I am finding Duolingo to be an entertaining way to learn, at least. Maybe in about 5 years or so, Ill take a trip to Japan, but Ive got a lot of financial goals I want to hit before I even think about taking a trip anywhere.

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Phanir
05/19/24 10:37:50 PM
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CableZL posted...
My plan right now is to use Duolingo to learn the basics of hiragana, katakana, and basic phrases. At some point, Im going to move on to another tool like Anki or something else. Ive already started using a Youtube video to help me drill hiragana characters because I felt like I wasnt learning them well enough with Duolingo alone.
Personally used Obenkyo to hammer in hiragana and katakana in my head ~10 years ago. Super handy and I refuse to not have it installed on every future phone I've had since then.

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Mistere_Man
05/20/24 7:08:49 AM
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CableZL posted...
For 4, Ive learned yon / / . Yon ji ) is 4 oclock. Yon sai (is 4 years old.
For 7, Ive learned nana / / . Nana ji is 7 oclock and nana sai is 7 years old. Ive also learned that shichi is an alternate pronunciation for , but Duolingo is mostly using nana so far.

I knew a wonderful lady from Japan a long time ago, and she taught me to count to 10 she used Shi for 4 and nana for 7. I only recently learned of yon and shichi, like that other poster says the rumor is because shi is also the word for death, but I have no idea.

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SpiritSephiroth
05/20/24 7:22:01 AM
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You started watching movies and dramas yet TC?

My list is always here for you to browse through >_>

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RetuenOfDevsman
05/20/24 8:28:45 AM
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I tried this for a couple of days but gave up before getting very far.

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Were_Wyrm
05/20/24 8:45:09 AM
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I'm not a fan of how duolingo keeps striping down the leaning tools, when I first started 3 or 4 years ago it had the lesson info that explained how the sentences were structured, why they were structured that way, and what new things you were going to learn. Now it's just "here's a few example sentences with no context".

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Yomi
05/20/24 9:02:14 AM
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_____Cait posted...
Id also stay away from anime, and veer towards dramas if you want to watch stuff. Anime Japanese is. Never how people here actually speak. Youre going to embarrass yourself if you mimic that. The morning dramas are good if you can stomach them.

Its really hard to find good ways to learn Japanese, as hardly anyone outside Japan speaks it, but boy do so many internet people and youtubers love to think they are fluent because of anime. Please focus on what people who live there, or foreigners who have lived there ( not toured there) suggest.

This is bad advice imo. Just because you use anime for immersion doesn't mean you'll speak like an anime character. I don't speak like a sitcom or cartoon character just because I learned English watching Cartoon Network and Friends. Even if you were to pick up a bad habit or two, they get corrected pretty quickly once you start using Japanese in a real life setting.

Here's a video as an example, (around the 1:05:00 mark you can listen to them speaking Japanese if you want).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2WUpJ-Wh34

The three dudes on the left are all foreigners who have lived there in the past or are currently living and working there and they all say immersing in whatever is fun for you (even if that's anime) is the way to go, they all immersed with manga, anime, VNs, you name it.

In my experience, people who do things that aren't fun for them for the purpose of learning a language are the ones most likely to quit. Your first worry as a language learner should be being understood, not whether or not you're embarrassing yourself.

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Cynrascal
05/20/24 9:31:50 AM
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Mistere_Man posted...
I knew a wonderful lady from Japan a long time ago, and she taught me to count to 10 she used Shi for 4 and nana for 7. I only recently learned of yon and shichi, like that other poster says the rumor is because shi is also the word for death, but I have no idea.

Yes, 4 in Japan is how other parts of the world treat 13 because of that reason. Several buildings even skip the fourth floor in their numbering. Depending on how the sentence is structured, numbers may be pronounced in a different way as well.

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Toonstrack
05/20/24 12:57:15 PM
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I imagine a lot of Americans have similar stories given that here a language elective is usually required at some point but not truthfully encouraged.

I won't blame the education system for this one tho. I just lacked the dedication.

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Linze
05/20/24 4:01:39 PM
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CableZL posted...
For 4, Ive learned yon / / . Yon ji ) is 4 oclock. Yon sai (is 4 years old.
For 7, Ive learned nana / / . Nana ji is 7 oclock and nana sai is 7 years old. Ive also learned that shichi is an alternate pronunciation for , but Duolingo is mostly using nana so far.
Japanese Kanji has a lot of readings, even this word [] (Tanabata) has a unique spelling.
Then, is the kanji for [] with a lot of readings.

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1337toothbrush
05/20/24 4:07:46 PM
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Linze posted...
Japanese Kanji has a lot of readings, even this word [] (Tanabata) has a unique spelling.
Then, is the kanji for [] with a lot of readings.
This is what blew my mind when I started learning kanji (casually). I thought the complicated symbols would be balanced out by having one reading per character, but then I got hit with compound kanji and multiple readings.

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kirbymuncher
05/20/24 4:27:20 PM
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_____Cait posted...
Id also stay away from anime, and veer towards dramas if you want to watch stuff. Anime Japanese is. Never how people here actually speak. Youre going to embarrass yourself if you mimic that. The morning dramas are good if you can stomach them.
I've never really liked this mindset much. like okay, maybe it's not how people speak, but it is obviously comprehensible japanese and it's not like you will be unable to convey meaning because you use "anime-speak" or whatever.

Not to say you can learn solely by just watching anime either. You gotta actually study some stuff and put in effort and whatnot. But in terms of just getting language exposure you should pick whatever you find in that language that's interesting enough to keep you doing it and not just give up. whether that's anime or dramas or novels or talk shows or etc etc

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CableZL
05/20/24 6:37:34 PM
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So I just got to the lessons about describing eating habits and its using shichi () for 7.

Hana eats dinner at 7 oclock.

hana san wa shichiji ni bangohan o tabemasu


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Yomi
05/20/24 7:09:40 PM
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CableZL posted...

Even though it's indeed read as , that should be there.

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CableZL
05/20/24 7:15:29 PM
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Yomi posted...
Even though it's indeed read as , that should be there.
Ah, youre right, thanks. Ill have to figure out how to type the other one on the Japanese keyboard at some point.

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1337toothbrush
05/20/24 7:21:42 PM
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CableZL posted...
Ah, youre right, thanks. Ill have to figure out how to type the other one on the Japanese keyboard at some point.
What Japanese keyboard? When using IME, it's wo.

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CableZL
05/20/24 7:33:19 PM
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Ah, thanks

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kirbymuncher
05/20/24 7:57:26 PM
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similarly you should have a instead of a

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CableZL
05/20/24 7:58:12 PM
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kirbymuncher posted...
similarly you should have a instead of a
Yup gotta pay better attention to those

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1337toothbrush
05/20/24 7:59:47 PM
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Also, if you want little versions of character (e.g. little version of , type l and then the character to get it: ). If you need the symbol, then you can type "onaji" and find it somewhere in the list of suggestions.

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Puglia77
05/20/24 8:04:50 PM
#43:


1337toothbrush posted...
What Japanese keyboard? When using IME, it's wo.
One thing I wish I knew about the IME earlier was how to type a few small vowel modifiers. Like instead of . It wasn't until a year and a half later after wanting to know how to type it that I finally found out. Was watching a Japanese streamer who was doing an English stream and a chatter typed pojitexibu. That's when I realized they were trying to type "positive" since it appears as in Japanese. So to type the small i in (ti) you would type xi, you could also type it as li.

Finally I knew how to type Latias in Japanese. On the IME you have to type it as Ratexiasu.

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Yomi
05/20/24 8:30:57 PM
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Puglia77 posted...
So to type the small i in (ti) you would type xi, yp could also type it as li.
A much quicker and natural way of typing is just by inputting "thi"

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Toonstrack
05/20/24 10:10:36 PM
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Thing is like how much of learning it is just mechanical memorization and how much is actually "feeling" the language? I think the difference is probably when you become fluent

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CableZL
05/20/24 11:32:41 PM
#46:


Toonstrack posted...
Thing is like how much of learning it is just mechanical memorization and how much is actually "feeling" the language? I think the difference is probably when you become fluent

I'm not sure, I'm still pretty early on in the lessons I'm on Section 2 unit 4, and there are 35 units in section 2. Section 3 is titled "Learn more foundational concepts an sentences for basic conversations."

So it probably gets more and more in depth as you go. A friend of mine has been doing Duolingo for a couple years and he's pretty comfortable with the language now.

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teep_
05/20/24 11:37:13 PM
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Best of luck

I have Anki Japanese lessons/Flashcards prepared on my PC, I just need to actually get around to them >_>

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