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XIII_Rocks
05/20/24 1:57:46 PM
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Just passed the PoNR so I wanna do one more topic for now. Been a long old playthrough.

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Zigzagoon
05/20/24 2:13:40 PM
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Finally getting to the end of my 2nd playthrough that I've been streaming for @DireKrow

And yeah, I'll agree. Specifically Aerith part of Temple of the Ancients dungeon suuuuucks lmao. I couldn't find a few of the yummies this time and ran around that section for like 10 minutes before finding a couple rocks that I hadn't smashed yet to give me enough to continue.

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Zigzagoon
05/20/24 2:15:10 PM
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That first boss fight with the dragon is still awesome. One of my favorite bosses in the game.

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MartinFF7
05/20/24 2:26:14 PM
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Red Dragon? Ehhh..... not a fan of the AoE team (near-)instakill, is there any part of the surface that is safe during that move? Felt like complete saturation.

But then again I have Costa Del Sol as my favourite chapter and with my favourite boss so I probably shouldn't be criticizing favs here...
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SHINE_GET_64
05/20/24 2:32:55 PM
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Cruising around at the beginning of chapter 12

I'll do the story content eventually

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Zigzagoon
05/20/24 2:36:39 PM
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MartinFF7 posted...
Red Dragon? Ehhh..... not a fan of the AoE team (near-)instakill, is there any part of the surface that is safe during that move? Felt like complete saturation.

But then again I have Costa Del Sol as my favourite chapter and with my favourite boss so I probably shouldn't be criticizing favs here...

The first time he does it you can hide near the one side of the area. The second time you can't and just gotta pray and hope you have enough HP to tank it.

I don't know if I'd consider it my FAVORITE boss of Rebirth, but it's up there.

Though, my favorite fight of Remake was the Arsenal and I think most people don't enjoy that one as much lol

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Zigzagoon
05/20/24 2:37:57 PM
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Zigzagoon posted...
Though, my favorite fight of Remake was the Arsenal and I think most people don't enjoy that one as much lol

Very close with Airbuster though. I probably like them about the same, but I put Arsenal higher because everyone loves the Airbuster fight =p

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BK_Sheikah00
05/20/24 2:41:01 PM
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Red Dragon you're supposed to break his chest so his aoe only covers half the room.

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Fiop
05/20/24 3:27:36 PM
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Finally finished this game a couple days ago. Really fun game, even if I got frustrated with a couple mini-game parts and side content.

Biggest criticism is twice when I died I accidentally picked the wrong option and went back too far and had to redo boss fights (seriously the wording of "Go back to previous checkpoint" isn't the clearest). Also the last boss of Chapter 12 was seriously annoying (and one of the times I picked the wrong option by accident). Died once on the final sequence on the last phase Heartless Angel hit me right after I healed and had no ATB but made sure to carefully look at the options this time to make sure I didn't go back too far.

I don't normally like reducing the difficulty to easy but did so twice: first was the battle square part of the UPA sidequest. I didn't want to spend hours on it and suspected that if I hit the PoNR without finishing I'd have to do the entire UPA sidequest again. Second time was the last protorelic boss - didn't want to leave this unfinished and the suggested level was so high.

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XIII_Rocks
05/20/24 3:36:14 PM
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I just fought the red dragon. It was pretty good

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ctesjbuvf
05/20/24 3:41:12 PM
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kevwaffles
05/20/24 3:50:33 PM
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I actually figured out how mushroom pulling is supposed to work the second time around. The game does not properly convey what they want from you.

You partially pull the stick and see which one reaches the edge first, because most of them do in fact go all the way to the same "edge".

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Leonhart4
05/20/24 4:01:26 PM
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Temple of the Ancients is awesome

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XIII_Rocks
05/20/24 4:33:50 PM
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It rules yes.

But there is a chest at the start of the Aerith section that I can't get. It's across a gap at the bottom of a tower I put back together using the lifestream.

Do I get that later or is there a way to get it?

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XIII_Rocks
05/20/24 4:37:39 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1a88363a.jpg

This motherfucker here

Also see that shadow at the bottom of the photo? I USED MY PHONE'S NEW AI FUNCTION TO CROP YUFFIE OUT OF IT
BYE

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Leonhart4
05/20/24 4:37:59 PM
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You can get it later

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Fiop
05/20/24 4:46:14 PM
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Yeah, you can get that one later. I spent a good bit of poking around there too.

There was some Yellow materia in one of the first sections of the Temple of the Ancients that I missed. By the time I noticed it, I was already on the last part of the first section and couldn't go back. Hope it wasn't unique.

Also random other question but, I saw a topic before Rebirth came out where people watched a trailer and were thinking we'd explore Gaia's Cliff in this game. That didn't happen...I clicked out of that topic as soon as people started talking about it. What was that referring to?

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MartinFF7
05/20/24 4:49:07 PM
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Fiop posted...
There was some Yellow materia in one of the first sections of the Temple of the Ancients that I missed. By the time I noticed it, I was already on the last part of the first section and couldn't go back. Hope it wasn't unique.

Same, and to this day I still dont know how to obtain it. But i looked online and iirc it was just Chakra, so nothing of value was lost.
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XIII_Rocks
05/20/24 5:08:13 PM
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Leonhart4 posted...
You can get it later

How much later exactly? I got the cutscene with the "breather". Could I get it before then? I never had enough lifestream to fill the pot I need to fill

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Zigzagoon
05/20/24 5:19:05 PM
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XIII_Rocks posted...
I got the cutscene with the "breather". Could I get it before then? I never had enough lifestream to fill the pot I need to fill

Yes you can get before then. You gotta get pretty much every yummy though.

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Fiop
05/20/24 5:33:07 PM
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In Aerith's section, if you have a partially full bucket, you can use triangle next to it to absorb the energy back. So if you started filling something else, it is possible to get it back.

Pretty sure you can't lock yourself out of going to each section.

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XIII_Rocks
05/20/24 11:30:48 PM
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Yeah I got it, took me a while. I refused to go to bed until I had it

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XIII_Rocks
05/22/24 1:12:50 AM
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I think I'm near the end of the temple; at the part where we're seeing magic holograms of the war between the cetra and the humans and fighting those annoying, tanky adamantoises

Rude raising a fist to Barret pointing straight up and saying "are you ready for this" got the biggest laugh out of me in the game (next to Cloud dismissing Yuffie with his "cool").

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XIII_Rocks
05/22/24 4:46:16 PM
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Is Aerith high? Jesus

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XIII_Rocks
05/22/24 4:52:15 PM
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The fuck is going on? This is bad

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kevwaffles
05/23/24 3:36:24 PM
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Is the Red Dragon fucking broken in Hard mode? I instantly cripple the Chest and immediately get Crimson Breath III despite it literally supposedly being prevented by doing that.

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kevwaffles
05/23/24 4:44:19 PM
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I figured out a work around but man that's stupid.

I get if they wanted us to deal wih an unavoidable attack, but having it trigger instantly by doing the very thing that is supposed to stop it is so bad. Just remove the chest as a weak point if that's what they want to do.

Also he got it off one more time when Yuffie didn't have the ATB to cast Manawall so I tried to heal through it which was pointless. I had Reraises up just in case but that was a waste of 19 MP I should have not used.

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Bitto
05/23/24 4:50:53 PM
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Part of me wonders if that's a mistranslation.

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skullbone
05/23/24 4:58:15 PM
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Attack while it's tail's up!

It's gonna counterattack with it's laser

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kevwaffles
05/23/24 5:04:28 PM
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Bitto posted...
Part of me wonders if that's a mistranslation.
It works as described in Normal. And I'm not sure it does Level III in Normal even if you don't cripple the chest. I remembered having some room to stand.

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XIII_Rocks
05/24/24 6:47:57 AM
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Well the final boss went on for fucking ever but I loved it - each phase ruled. That said, I only died once (to Jenova) then powered through the rest first try, though not without some hairy moments

That said they blunted Aerith's death to the point of almost non-impact, and that's really fuckin dumb.

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Leonhart4
05/24/24 7:30:15 AM
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I think the impact will be felt in part 3, or at least I imagine that's the intention

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colliding
05/24/24 7:47:11 AM
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I feel like I actually felt the impact more since they teased her being saved so much

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XIII_Rocks
05/24/24 8:06:06 AM
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colliding posted...
I feel like I actually felt the impact more since they teased her being saved so much

There was some amount of ambiguity over whether she was dead and by the time it was beyond doubt I was done. Kind of a shame.

Anyway, might go for the Plat. I'm level 50 or so. How would you guys recommend I proceed?

Did every quest available except UPA and the final Photorelic quests (I felt underlevelled), and I guess I didn't bother with hard mode Condor or Gambits.

I read about a strat including the Nibel bees to farm exp. Is it worth powering up to level 70 or so before doing hard mode?

Also!

Good to finally read the spoiler topic (took me a minute to find it)

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XIII_Rocks
05/24/24 8:12:12 AM
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Also I assume Sephiroth didn't straight up impale Aerith for ratings purposes, which is kind of a shame

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Leonhart4
05/24/24 8:30:15 AM
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I think the compelling part of the ending is Cloud doesn't realize Rebirth Aerith is dead because he saved Meta Aerith. I think you'll get an emotional payoff in Part 3 when the party (or at least Tifa) forces him to confront the truth.

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ctesjbuvf
05/24/24 8:39:38 AM
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Regarding the ending, I feel pretty confident that she is dead, but not necessarily in all the universes, and part 3 will be partially about Cloud accepting that.

Finish up side quests and such first yeah. There are new battles in Golden Saucer that you can beat straight away after that. You can very quickly farm to get to level 70 either using the Kitten rescue sidequest in Nibel if you simply kill bees while ignoring the queen or just by doing simulator fights.

The hardest parts are hard mode and the simulator battles. You get good stuff from both that makes the other easier so the order is kinda up to you. I would personally get the third elemental from the simulators before starting hard mode, it's in one of the first hard simulator fights and it's not really a problem to get it. Then probably start working on hard mode after that so you get more manuscript pages.

It's nice to have full leveled healing, revival, steadfast block, precision defense focus, prayer, hp up and mp up on all party members at all times imo. Having magnify and elemental full leveled is also very great, but not necessarily right now. Hard mode isn't really that difficult for a while.

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XIII_Rocks
05/24/24 8:51:04 AM
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Final boss had two cool moments for me personally

Beat Bahamut by summoning my own Bahamut
Beat final form of Sephiroth with Ascension -> Aertih limit move that fills Cloud's limit -> Ascension a second time. Felt very final and climactic

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BlackDra90n
05/24/24 8:54:27 AM
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There's enough combat challenges that you should be able to hit 70 without needing to grind.

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XIII_Rocks
05/24/24 9:15:22 AM
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Couple of things. Do you need to finish a chapter for any progress to be saved
E.g. if I go polish off a sidequest or something do I then have to see the chapter through to the end for my game to register that I finished it? Like if I do that bee quest in Nibelheim do I then need to finish the whole chapter to keep the exp? I seem to remember that being a thing in remake or something like that.

Anywhere good for AP farming? Same place with the bees?
Also, to finish the game in hard mode, I take it it's ok to just replay each chapter separately and complete them one at a time (so I can hypothetically do chapter 1 in hard mode and then like do another chapter on easy and I'll never need to replay C1 again in hard mode).

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ctesjbuvf
05/24/24 9:46:00 AM
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XIII_Rocks posted...
Couple of things. Do you need to finish a chapter for any progress to be saved
E.g. if I go polish off a sidequest or something do I then have to see the chapter through to the end for my game to register that I finished it? Like if I do that bee quest in Nibelheim do I then need to finish the whole chapter to keep the exp? I seem to remember that being a thing in remake or something like that.

Anywhere good for AP farming? Same place with the bees?
Also, to finish the game in hard mode, I take it it's ok to just replay each chapter separately and complete them one at a time (so I can hypothetically do chapter 1 in hard mode and then like do another chapter on easy and I'll never need to replay C1 again in hard mode).

No you don't need to finish the chapter, you keep your progress. You can do everything in chapter 13, although if you want to use Cait Sith, pick chapter 12 instead.

For AP farming it might be better to do a simulator or muscle head fight. Use AP Up materia and that chocobo armband for man output. I'm not sure if there is one spot that is especially effective but it goes fast enough anywhere like that imo.

You can do the hard mode chapters one at the time and do stuff on easy/normal in between yes.

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XIII_Rocks
05/24/24 12:30:03 PM
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Cool. I'll get it. Might take me a while though - this was an 11-week playthrough albeit with a vacation in the middle.

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BK_Sheikah00
05/24/24 12:35:53 PM
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The new matches at the Gold Saucer Colosseum will level you up a lot by just clearing them the first time.

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ctesjbuvf
05/24/24 12:48:19 PM
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Yeah, I would do that before grinding. They are a bit too much alike imo but not really a problem.

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Bitto
05/24/24 12:48:57 PM
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If you want to make battles easier, I'd recommend the following:

  1. Completing the protorelic quest completely. After doing this, fight each region's mini-boss (like the Quetzacoatl) on Hard Mode so you can make use of the rewards from the protorelic.
  2. Getting party level to its highest level, which is doing all sidequests and doing all minigames, including the harder versions of them.
  3. Getting Hard Mode manuscripts on the easier chapters. Most sidequests on Hard Mode have a manuscript too.

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Leonhart4
05/24/24 12:51:27 PM
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that all sounds like not much fun

I'm going to see the other dates and then I'll be done, moving on to the FFXVI DLC

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XIII_Rocks
05/24/24 1:07:43 PM
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Bitto posted...
Completing the protorelic quest completely. After doing this, fight each region's mini-boss (like the Quetzacoatl) on Hard Mode so you can make use of the rewards from the protorelic.

But that looked like late-game stuff to me. Like, Kujata and Phoenix beat the fuck out of me

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Leonhart4
05/24/24 1:18:51 PM
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Just beat them on easy and then if you want to replay it later on hard, you can redeem yourself

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Bitto
05/24/24 1:24:23 PM
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XIII_Rocks posted...
But that looked like late-game stuff to me. Like, Kujata and Phoenix beat the fuck out of me

Oh yeah, it's definitely a tough series of fights. If you're interested in the rewards, the big one is the Genji Glove which removes the 9999 damage cap for one character. You also get some unique materia and the other Genji armor, but that Glove seems key for dealing with some of those harder bosses.

I definitely think doing Hard Mode stuff is pretty frustrating, so I definitely wouldn't recommend for everyone. I'm happy with just doing all quests (including protorelic) and doing all global intel.

I want to get the Johnny chest, but it basically requires a plat.

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htaeD
05/24/24 1:38:37 PM
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I honestly didnt mind the Temple of Ancients Aerith part.
It felt weird but not too tedious and you can skip half of it on replays.

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