Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 19 - We Could Be Roped Up, Tied Up, Dead in a Year

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Forceful_Dragon
05/21/24 9:55:03 AM
#351:


3 main reasons scum couldn't bring home the win:

1) Our best role was given to a literal child who did not have discord access and was woefully unprepared to not get completely buried on day 1.

I DID send him a PM of what he needed to say in response to my flavor question but he completely screwed up the reply anyways.

2) I advocated on night 5 that we needed to switch from "chaos night kills" to "REAL night kills". Imo it was time to kill Blade, Kirby and Ulti in order. I should have been more assertive about this instead of allowing the night kill to target Ben for chaos to continue. That was partially the beginning of our end.

3) Ben screwed us. Hard. Not just that but also HIMSELF which I think pisses me off the most. If you aren't going to play towards your OWN win condition then what are you even doing? If Ben had simply hard denied Ulti's scan IGCD and I could have backed him up and blade might have been open to the idea that scum Ulti was trying to secure a lynch with a fake scan on what could have been mylo. A town lynch that day would have won us all the game.

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There are other reasons too I'm sure, but those feel like the main 3

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htaeD
05/21/24 9:55:30 AM
#352:


Really should have considered flavor godfather.
FD's day1 was good, but not THAT good.

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Meow1000
05/21/24 9:55:37 AM
#353:


So like

Shooting MZero night 4
Shooting Ben night 5
Not having FD fire the kill night 6
Desperation shooting Ulti night 7

Yeah scum deserved to lose with actions like that. Kirby never should've lived long enough to make that roleblock on day 6.

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MZero
05/21/24 9:55:51 AM
#354:


changmas posted...
i knew it

eternal mason buddies

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IfGodCouldDie
05/21/24 9:56:15 AM
#355:


Meow1000 posted...
Ben honestly was an irredeemably bad shot on night 5 and is a "deserve to lose the game" type of decision.

I don't get how a scumteam ever gets to a point where shooting him is even considered an option.

You mean that town had Ulti/Blade/Kirby all alive and all wide open to be shot and scum chose to shoot at a high-value mislynch/indy lynch over any of them. Inexcusable.
Because we needed town questioning the choices in shots. Don't pretend you and Ulti weren't ready to lynch each other the entire game.

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Meow1000
05/21/24 9:56:26 AM
#356:


When I wrote my grand theory I completely removed NK from the table.

Very very few people would NK in that situation

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htaeD
05/21/24 9:56:35 AM
#357:


Ben went against you because you tried to kill him, lol.

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changmas
05/21/24 9:56:41 AM
#358:


htaeD posted...
Every single no kill was a result of Blade, Kirby or Ben

lmao well done then

also MAN i was onto FD on day 1 and 2 but i let myself get caught up in making a lynch from options people wanted to see instead of just burying him damn

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IfGodCouldDie
05/21/24 9:56:44 AM
#359:


changmas posted...
also surely some of those at the end were intentional no kills right
Nope

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neonreaper
05/21/24 9:57:06 AM
#360:


was Lopen survivor

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Meow1000
05/21/24 9:57:14 AM
#361:


IfGodCouldDie posted...
Because we needed town questioning the choices in shots. Don't pretend you and Ulti weren't ready to lynch each other the entire game.
You MUST kill Kirby or I night 4 or night 5.

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IfGodCouldDie
05/21/24 9:57:16 AM
#362:


htaeD posted...
Ben went against you because you tried to kill him, lol.
He shouldn't have known that though

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Forceful_Dragon
05/21/24 9:57:21 AM
#363:


Meow1000 posted...
Yeah scum deserved to lose with actions like that. Kirby never should've lived long enough to make that roleblock on day 6.

I agree. Even on night 7 I wanted a longer discussion about figuring out who you were going to target. Again I should have been more assertive

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htaeD
05/21/24 9:57:35 AM
#364:


Meow1000 posted...
So like

Shooting MZero night 4
Shooting Ben night 5
Not having FD fire the kill night 6
Desperation shooting Ulti night 7

Yeah scum deserved to lose with actions like that. Kirby never should've lived long enough to make that roleblock on day 6.

Oh so thats why people believed I would be sending in any nightkills ever.

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htaeD
05/21/24 9:58:09 AM
#365:


neonreaper posted...
was Lopen survivor

Nope. Just a victim of scum using their power too soon.

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ctesjbuvf
05/21/24 9:58:10 AM
#366:


neonreaper posted...
was Lopen survivor

Lopen was town vanilla lol.

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Forceful_Dragon
05/21/24 9:58:44 AM
#367:


changmas posted...
also MAN i was onto FD on day 1 and 2 but i let myself get caught up in making a lynch from options people wanted to see instead of just burying him damn

If you were onto me day 1 and 2 then that's completely RNG. I was functionally indistinguishable from how I play those days as town. See: every town game of mine.

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changmas
05/21/24 9:59:00 AM
#368:


also sorry Death

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Kirby321
05/21/24 9:59:55 AM
#370:


Hot damn it really was FD? What a wild game!

I might have been grumbling a lot because Blade kept trashing me, but this was quite the memorable game. Definitely up there with Star Wars + Pokmon Mafia on the list of B8 mafia games I'll never forget, and for positive reasons!

Thanks for hosting, Archchancellor Lea and Sultan! Time to see what the fuck was going on in the scum chat lmao

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Meow1000
05/21/24 10:00:13 AM
#371:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
I agree. Even on night 7 I wanted a longer discussion about figuring out who you were going to target. Again I should have been more assertive
Yeah I had that save submitted very quickly.

Either Ulti was scum and was going to shoot me to bring the game to lylo or scum was going to try to shoot him.

My only play was to save him.

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Meow1000
05/21/24 10:00:45 AM
#372:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Lopen was town vanilla lol.
That's actually what I thought he was until all this crazy stuff came into play so I buy it

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Meow1000
05/21/24 10:01:25 AM
#374:


Also 3P really was just a flavor trap got 'em

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Meow1000
05/21/24 10:02:45 AM
#377:


By the way

Thank you for nuking Lopen day 1.

Ulti and I were at each other's throats most of the game but if Lopen were alive too my god

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Forceful_Dragon
05/21/24 10:02:47 AM
#378:


Meow1000 posted...
My first impression was MZero was shot directly but I have no idea why the fuck an FD/IGCD team does that.

Legitimately to cause chaos because we were so far behind. Thats the same reason I lied about my night 4 target to create redirection chaos. It have the effect of monopolizing the conversation that day with the added bonus of making red obsess over it and stay awake all night

But again that's when we needed to flip the switch between doing chaos things and doing smart things.

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htaeD
05/21/24 10:03:01 AM
#379:


Lopen was right about me too.

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ctesjbuvf
05/21/24 10:03:12 AM
#380:


Lopen has been blamed for posting too much before and this game had the most topics in many years lol.

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Meow1000
05/21/24 10:04:00 AM
#382:


Also Ctes why

Why didn't you say anything about IGCD

The primary reason your claim was so hard to believe was you let that guy run around with a delayed vig claim for 4 days as delayed vig yourself

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PeaceFrog
05/21/24 10:05:12 AM
#383:


Ggwp. Was fun, sorry for pushing all the vanilla hatred

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IfGodCouldDie
05/21/24 10:05:45 AM
#384:


UltimaterializerX posted...
You were scum mvp. I was also locked in like never before man.

God really was mad I scanned him. Jesus bro.
I wasn't mad you scanned me at all.

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Meow1000
05/21/24 10:05:48 AM
#385:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Legitimately to cause chaos because we were so far behind. Thats the same reason I lied about my night 4 target to create redirection chaos. It have the effect of monopolizing the conversation that day with the added bonus of making red obsess over it and stay awake all night

But again that's when we needed to flip the switch between doing chaos things and doing smart things.
Too much chaos though.

You can't leave Doctor+JK alive this late in a game. Jailkeeper is already busted as hell at endgame on it's own.

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Forceful_Dragon
05/21/24 10:06:01 AM
#386:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Lopen died first and town won again.

I sense a pattern.


Meow1000 posted...
By the way

Thank you for nuking Lopen day 1.

Ulti and I were at each other's throats most of the game but if Lopen were alive too my god

I also said janitor should have been used on Red/Blade/Death. I threw out the "or it could be used on Lopen 24 hours after blade's post, but we probably shouldn't do that". It certainly did not have the desired effect.

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ctesjbuvf
05/21/24 10:06:02 AM
#387:


Meow1000 posted...
Also Ctes why

Why didn't you say anything about IGCD

The primary reason your claim was so hard to believe was you let that guy run around with a delayed vig claim for 4 days as delayed vig yourself

I thought my vig shot was much worse that it was and thus they could coexist. I thought if I shot town it would kill them and me.

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IfGodCouldDie
05/21/24 10:07:03 AM
#388:


Meow1000 posted...
By the way

Thank you for nuking Lopen day 1.

Ulti and I were at each other's throats most of the game but if Lopen were alive too my god
Using it on Lopen was the only true mistake we made, getting our targets saved/us roleblocked were just better plays by town.

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ctesjbuvf
05/21/24 10:07:07 AM
#389:


Also basically as soon as I read my role PM I thought it would not be a game to setup meta ever lol. Though the rest of the town roles were way simpler.

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Kirby321
05/21/24 10:07:58 AM
#391:


ctesjbuvf posted...
Lopen has been blamed for posting too much before and this game had the most topics in many years lol.

Tbf Blade was our stand-in for Lopen this game.

Multiple successive posts, going at Ulti's throat the entire game...

I daresay we might have had double the amount of topics if Lopen and Blade were both alive at the game's end lmao

Also the fact that there were absolutely zero No Kills and every kill-less night was blocked by somebody is extremely unlucky holy shit

For what it's worth, the fact that the game state got to a point where everybody seemed towny in some form another is hella impressive. Despite the extremely rough start, y'all held up very well.

And a special kudos to Ben for totally deceiving me. I knew he wasn't on the mafia team, but if it wasn't for Ulti's scan, I never would've guessed he was a neighborizing survivor.

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Forceful_Dragon
05/21/24 10:08:44 AM
#393:


Meow1000 posted...
Too much chaos though.

I will defend nights 1-4 of chaos, those all had the desired effect and the Sbell kill legitimately saved IGCD from being found out immediately.

But yeah, 5, 6, 7 should have been doc, jailer, cop

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Meow1000
05/21/24 10:08:55 AM
#394:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
I also said janitor should have been used on Red/Blade/Death. I threw out the "or it could be used on Lopen 24 hours after blade's post, but we probably shouldn't do that". It certainly did not have the desired effect.
Fun fact:

I said long long ago that the second person to jump on the 24 hour thing was probably scum.

Weren't you second

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IfGodCouldDie
05/21/24 10:08:57 AM
#395:


Also @Kirby321 and @Ctesjbuvf I am sorry for the things I said on the day I was lynched. I was trying to replicate my town about to be mislynched play.

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wallmasterz
05/21/24 10:09:26 AM
#397:


Kirby321 posted...
Tbf Blade was our stand-in for Lopen this game.

Multiple successive posts, going at Ulti's throat the entire game...

yes ironically Blade was literally Lopens play style just with toxicity lmao

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IfGodCouldDie
05/21/24 10:09:32 AM
#398:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Oh ok. You almost fooled me for a second lmao
It was very expected, it's why we shot you that night I'm pretty sure.

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Meow1000
05/21/24 10:09:46 AM
#399:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
I will defend nights 1-4 of chaos, those all had the desired effect and the Sbell kill legitimately saved IGCD from being found out immediately.

But yeah, 5, 6, 7 should have been doc, jailer, cop
I just don't understand why you'd ever shoot one of your best mislynch options in Ben

Chaos doesn't describe that

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Meow1000
05/21/24 10:10:04 AM
#400:


wallmasterz posted...
yes ironically Blade was literally Lopens play style just with toxicity lmao
Lopen is way worse than I ever was this game.

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