Current Events > nintendo does something AMAZING in the paper mario 1000 door remake (SPOILERS?)

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AceMos
05/21/24 11:27:01 AM
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https://twitter.com/SuperMarioOOC85/status/1792909768723427797


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HashtagSEP
05/21/24 11:30:11 AM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


Vivian was trans in the Japanese version of the original release, but they cut all of that dialogue out and made it vague in the english releases. They restored it in the remake.

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TeaMilk
05/21/24 11:30:14 AM
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YIPPEE WAHOO

I know a girl who named herself after Vivian who is so excited rn lol

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Baron_Ox
05/21/24 11:30:21 AM
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on one hand, it's nice they're acknowledging a trans character, but on the other, that joke also makes it sound like they're bullying her more because of it :/

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Enclave
05/21/24 11:30:28 AM
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Yeah, some people are in denial about this on the Switch board.

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Jupiter
05/21/24 11:31:15 AM
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They confirmed Vivian as trans instead of taking the coward way and ignoring it. I'm actually surprised lol.

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HashtagSEP
05/21/24 11:31:23 AM
#8:


Baron_Ox posted...
on one hand, it's nice they're acknowledging a trans character, but on the other, that joke also makes it sound like they're bullying her more because of it :/

They are. The sisters are terrible and don't accept it, that's the point.

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DeathVelvien
05/21/24 11:32:42 AM
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Holy shit, this actual real?

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Bass
05/21/24 11:33:59 AM
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Cool, I'm glad we finally get a version aligned with the original.

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Prestoff
05/21/24 11:38:17 AM
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Nintendo has gotten woke!

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pegusus123456
05/21/24 11:41:36 AM
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Enclave posted...
Yeah, some people are in denial about this on the Switch board.
That doesn't confirm anything. Vivien maybe wasn't a very bright child and just always thought she was like her brothers and was a brother too. Kids do stuff like that all that time.

I'm getting real big "Ellie isn't a lesbian, she just made out with that girl because teenage girls do that with their friends sometimes" and "Bill isn't gay, he just has that gay porn in his house because he hoards everything he finds" vibes from this one lmao

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DeathVelvien
05/21/24 11:42:53 AM
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The stupidity in that thread is something else

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pegusus123456
05/21/24 11:43:59 AM
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DeathVelvien posted...
The stupidity in that thread is something else
I particularly enjoyed the reading comprehension displayed by the fellow who thought they reversed it and made Vivian AFAB who realized they were male.

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TomClark
05/21/24 11:45:11 AM
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Absolutely based.

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tripleh213
05/21/24 11:45:17 AM
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Bass posted...
Cool, I'm glad we finally get a version aligned with the original.


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WesternMedia
05/21/24 11:47:00 AM
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Are there any other 1st party rated E games that are clear about it as this?

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LonelyStoner
05/21/24 11:53:03 AM
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Wait is that out now?

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DeathVelvien
05/21/24 11:53:18 AM
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LonelyStoner posted...
Wait is that out now?
Out on Thursday

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BakonBitz
05/21/24 11:53:36 AM
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With this change back to the original now I'm seeing some people saying like "ACKSHUALLY Vivian was an Otonoko aka a FEMBOY, meaning he's a guy who dresses effeminately. NOT TRANSGENDER" and then shows Vivian's catch card info from Super Paper Mario as proof. Nevermind that it's a different game and got things wrong about the previous party members anyway.

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LonelyStoner
05/21/24 11:53:51 AM
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DeathVelvien posted...
Out on Thursday
There goes my weekend

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Quezovercoatl
05/21/24 11:55:30 AM
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-ZIO- posted...
I was worried this game was going to suck but now it doesn't thanks to this huge gameplay change to the core mechanics. The original was sluggish, timing was off and the partners weren't as compelling as the first. This is a big moment for gaming as a whole and a statement as to what developers are willing to put on the line to ensure an immersive and competitive experience.

Is this some kind of oh so "clever" attempt to express disdain or is there also some change to the battle system you're talking about here that's poorly timed on your part?
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Solar_Crimson
05/21/24 11:59:36 AM
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Baron_Ox posted...
on one hand, it's nice they're acknowledging a trans character, but on the other, that joke also makes it sound like they're bullying her more because of it :/
Because they absolutely are. That's the main reason why Vivian defects to Mario.

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BakonBitz
05/21/24 12:00:40 PM
#26:


Quezovercoatl posted...
Is this some kind of oh so "clever" attempt to express disdain or is there also some change to the battle system you're talking about here that's poorly timed on your part?
It's the former. Nothing about the battle system was changed.

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Tyranthraxus
05/21/24 12:02:49 PM
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HashtagSEP posted...
Vivian was trans in the Japanese version of the original release, but they cut all of that dialogue out and made it vague in the english releases. They restored it in the remake.
I'm sure all those guys who have been complaining about bad accuracy in localizations will be back to praise this, right?

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Baron_Ox
05/21/24 12:02:58 PM
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HashtagSEP posted...
They are. The sisters are terrible and don't accept it, that's the point.

Solar_Crimson posted...
Because they absolutely are. That's the main reason why Vivian defects to Mario.

I meant more, like, because it's Mario, it's clear that they're bullying her more because she's their sister, but if you went into this without that in mind, it might sound like they're bullying her because she's trans.

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IronChef_Kirby
05/21/24 12:04:25 PM
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Wow, what a cool surprise!

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AceMos
05/21/24 12:05:55 PM
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Baron_Ox posted...
I meant more, like, because it's Mario, it's clear that they're bullying her more because she's their sister, but if you went into this without that in mind, it might sound like they're bullying her because she's trans.
THEY ARE BULLYING HER BECAUSE SHE IS TRANS

her sisters are transphobic bigots

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GhostFaceLeaks
05/21/24 12:07:52 PM
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How much do you want to bet there's already Content Creators screaming how Nintendo turned Woke now?

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Baron_Ox
05/21/24 12:08:50 PM
#33:


AceMos posted...
THEY ARE BULLYING HER BECAUSE SHE IS TRANS

her sisters are transphobic bigots

oh sorry, I'm not familiar with TTYD's story.

I only played about 30 minutes of the original, so this being a "cute" game, I misinterpreted the nature of their bullying until you clarified.

I thought it was more sibling teasing, but it now sounds more sinister.

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AceMos
05/21/24 12:09:24 PM
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GhostFaceLeaks posted...
How much do you want to bet there's already Content Creators screaming how Nintendo turned Woke now?
oh they will be for sure

we saw this happen with bridget and im sure some of those people who embarrassed them selfs then will do it again

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Baron_Ox
05/21/24 12:10:58 PM
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thanks.

I have a Switch here somewhere, so maybe I should try this out.

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pegusus123456
05/21/24 12:11:36 PM
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Baron_Ox posted...
oh sorry, I'm not familiar with TTYD's story.

I only played about 30 minutes of the original, so this being a "cute" game, I misinterpreted the nature of their bullying until you clarified.

I thought it was more sibling teasing, but it now sounds more sinister.
No, her sisters are bad guys and a recurring boss fight in the game.

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-ZIO-
05/21/24 12:16:29 PM
#38:


Quezovercoatl posted...
Is this some kind of oh so "clever" attempt to express disdain or is there also some change to the battle system you're talking about here that's poorly timed on your part?

Disdain? I don't have any issues with trans-inidividuals. Nintendo here is sticking to the script in this version and that's fine.

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Raiden2909
05/21/24 12:22:17 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I'm sure all those guys who have been complaining about bad accuracy in localizations will be back to praise this, right?
You know they wont, hell, Most of them will just ignore the fact that the original was a localization change and scream at how DARE woke Nintendo alter something from its original version
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Quezovercoatl
05/21/24 12:22:58 PM
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-ZIO- posted...
Disdain? I don't have any issues with trans-inidividuals. Nintendo here is sticking to the script in this version and that's fine.
Oh, OK. What did you mean about a battle system change then? Seriously, I don't get it?
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Phantom_Nook
05/21/24 12:24:22 PM
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this is pretty neat.

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Baron_Ox
05/21/24 12:24:24 PM
#42:


pegusus123456 posted...
No, her sisters are bad guys and a recurring boss fight in the game.
thanks

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AceMos
05/21/24 12:24:34 PM
#43:


some one needs to make a animated video of vivian and bridget dancing to the town inside me while showing transphobes melting down in the back ground

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DeathVelvien
05/21/24 12:24:52 PM
#44:


Quezovercoatl posted...
Oh, OK. What did you mean about a battle system change then? Seriously, I don't get it?
I'm assuming that if he really doesn't have issues with trans folk, he's downplaying story elements as unimportant compared to gameplay.

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Hejiru
05/21/24 12:26:12 PM
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Wow, I didnt think they would have the courage to actually do it. Cool.

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-ZIO-
05/21/24 12:27:56 PM
#48:


DeathVelvien posted...
he's downplaying story elements as unimportant compared to gameplay.

To that effect. It's a line of dialogue that could be easily missed. I think it's optional to talk to her in that moment? It's that I don't think this makes much of an impact. They tuck it away, so is there really any trans visibility here? I forget what the term is.

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Humanish
05/21/24 12:28:42 PM
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That's honestly badass. Happy to see it.

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AceMos
05/21/24 12:29:37 PM
#50:


-ZIO- posted...
To that effect. It's a line of dialogue that could be easily missed. I think it's optional to talk to her in that moment? It's that I don't think this makes much of an impact. They tuck it away, so is there really any trans visibility here? I forget what the term is.
no its not optional that is where she first joins you

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-ZIO-
05/21/24 12:30:39 PM
#51:


At least they're direct with it. Is that the only time it's mentioned?

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Cemith
05/21/24 12:32:37 PM
#52:


Vivian stays best girl

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