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Krojen 05/21/24 6:45:12 PM #57:	Republican voters do not fall in line because theyre galaxy brain and understand the political importance of doing so. Republicans fall in line because they earned their vote. Those not in on the grift love the culture war extremism, those in on the grift love the tax cuts. Democrats waste time telling their base that whatever they want will never happen under their watch. Not because of the Republicans (that they love) but because its mature and civil to not have revolutionary accomplishments. This messaging only works on like 5% of the base that love to smell their own farts. But its all theyre allowed to do after accepting money from industry that prefers Republicans win. --- http://i.imgur.com/hI4hAMb.jpg <cite>Krojen posted [p:980497214] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Republican voters do not fall in line because theyre galaxy brain and understand the political importance of doing so. Republicans fall in line because they earned their vote. Those not in on the grift love the culture war extremism, those in on the grift love the tax cuts. Democrats waste time telling their base that whatever they want will never happen under their watch. Not because of the Republicans (that they love) but because its mature and civil to not have revolutionary accomplishments. This messaging only works on like 5% of the base that love to smell their own farts. But its all theyre allowed to do after accepting money from industry that prefers Republicans win. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 05/21/24 7:15:52 PM #58:	Kradek posted... You and I both know Trump tries to take both sides of a position and it does not matter to them one fucking bit. Especially on the abortion issue he fluctuates from being proud of ending Roe v Wade to trying to distance himself from being the one who ended it, going from it should be up to the states, to supporting an abortion ban, to going back to it being the states. He tries to boast about how he created the vaccine while also saying RFK Jr. is the "fake" anti-vaxx candidate in an attempt to court the anti-vaxxers. It doesn't take much to retain loyalty from people who hold you to absolutely no standards whatsoever and that is largely the Republican party as of today. We are seeing some consistent dissent, though. Haley's been out of the race for months, endorsed Trump, and yet there's still primaries where her zombie candidacy is getting 17-20% of the vote, a far larger and stronger protest vote against Trump than those 2 uncommitted votes which is also completely organic unlike the uncommitted votes which were organized and coordinated. There's a portion of Republicans who go out of their way to express their discontent with Trump and those are the people Biden tries to court when he says you don't have to agree with our views, but at least stand with us this time to preserve democracy. There is a lot of variables going on in this election. Its both. Republicans at least do things their voters want, like ending abortion, ostensibly lowering taxes, pretending to enforce immigration law, etc. But their voters also have low standards. Im more saying its pretty sad that Republicans seem so much more effective than Democrats and their constant barely anything when theyre in power. At the very least Republicans tell their voters what they want to hear, while Democrats basically tell their voters to fuck themselves like Bidens doing right now over Israels genocide. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:980497598] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Kradek posted... </cite><quote>You and I both know Trump tries to take both sides of a position and it does not matter to them one fucking bit. Especially on the abortion issue he fluctuates from being proud of ending Roe v Wade to trying to distance himself from being the one who ended it, going from it should be up to the states, to supporting an abortion ban, to going back to it being the states. He tries to boast about how he created the vaccine while also saying RFK Jr. is the "fake" anti-vaxx candidate in an attempt to court the anti-vaxxers.It doesn't take much to retain loyalty from people who hold you to absolutely no standards whatsoever and that is largely the Republican party as of today.We are seeing some consistent dissent, though. Haley's been out of the race for months, endorsed Trump, and yet there's still primaries where her zombie candidacy is getting 17-20% of the vote, a far larger and stronger protest vote against Trump than those 2 uncommitted votes which is also completely organic unlike the uncommitted votes which were organized and coordinated. There's a portion of Republicans who go out of their way to express their discontent with Trump and those are the people Biden tries to court when he says you don't have to agree with our views, but at least stand with us this time to preserve democracy. There is a lot of variables going on in this election.</quote>Its both. Republicans at least do things their voters want, like ending abortion, ostensibly lowering taxes, pretending to enforce immigration law, etc. But their voters also have low standards.Im more saying its pretty sad that Republicans seem so much more effective than Democrats and their constant barely anything when theyre in power.At the very least Republicans tell their voters what they want to hear, while Democrats basically tell their voters to fuck themselves like Bidens doing right now over Israels genocide. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kradek 05/21/24 7:23:34 PM #59:	PraetorXyn posted... Its both. Republicans at least do things their voters want, like ending abortion, ostensibly lowering taxes, pretending to enforce immigration law, etc. But their voters also have low standards. Im more saying its pretty sad that Republicans seem so much more effective than Democrats and their constant barely anything when theyre in power. I think Republican voters are just want to "enforce" their will a lot more than Dem voters. A major motivation for Republican voters for all these decades has been electing Republicans to get right-wing judges who will enforce conservative views through the law and also with the hope that one day they'd own the SC and overturn Roe, which they finally achieved. I don't hear Dem voters talk about how important or motivating it is to vote Dems so we get left-wing judges who will side with people over corporations. That should have been a huge motivating factor back in 2016 and I remember desperately trying to tell people on 261 how important it is that they encourage voting for Clinton so that Trump doesn't get SCJ's on the court and look what happened. Republican voters may be too forgiving of their candidates when they don't come through, however I feel like Dem voters are the flipside where they just forsake voting altogether after one or 2 elections because they don't every single thing they want, even if they happened to get quite a f ew things that should make them happy. I never hear Republican voters talk about how they're just going to give up on voting, I hear Dem-likely voters say it on an almost daily basis. I don't know how they think letting Republicans get back into office and take the nation in the opposite direction will serve them in anyway, but in their mind it makes sense, I guess. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) <cite>Kradek posted [p:980497680] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Its both. Republicans at least do things their voters want, like ending abortion, ostensibly lowering taxes, pretending to enforce immigration law, etc. But their voters also have low standards.Im more saying its pretty sad that Republicans seem so much more effective than Democrats and their constant barely anything when theyre in power.</quote>I think Republican voters are just want to "enforce" their will a lot more than Dem voters. A major motivation for Republican voters for all these decades has been electing Republicans to get right-wing judges who will enforce conservative views through the law and also with the hope that one day they'd own the SC and overturn Roe, which they finally achieved. I don't hear Dem voters talk about how important or motivating it is to vote Dems so we get left-wing judges who will side with people over corporations.That should have been a huge motivating factor back in 2016 and I remember desperately trying to tell people on 261 how important it is that they encourage voting for Clinton so that Trump doesn't get SCJ's on the court and look what happened.Republican voters may be too forgiving of their candidates when they don't come through, however I feel like Dem voters are the flipside where they just forsake voting altogether after one or 2 elections because they don't every single thing they want, even if they happened to get quite a f ew things that should make them happy.I never hear Republican voters talk about how they're just going to give up on voting, I hear Dem-likely voters say it on an almost daily basis. I don't know how they think letting Republicans get back into office and take the nation in the opposite direction will serve them in anyway, but in their mind it makes sense, I guess. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 05/21/24 8:21:02 PM #60:	Kradek posted... I think Republican voters are just want to "enforce" their will a lot more than Dem voters. A major motivation for Republican voters for all these decades has been electing Republicans to get right-wing judges who will enforce conservative views through the law and also with the hope that one day they'd own the SC and overturn Roe, which they finally achieved. I don't hear Dem voters talk about how important or motivating it is to vote Dems so we get left-wing judges who will side with people over corporations. That should have been a huge motivating factor back in 2016 and I remember desperately trying to tell people on 261 how important it is that they encourage voting for Clinton so that Trump doesn't get SCJ's on the court and look what happened. Republican voters may be too forgiving of their candidates when they don't come through, however I feel like Dem voters are the flipside where they just forsake voting altogether after one or 2 elections because they don't every single thing they want, even if they happened to get quite a f ew things that should make them happy. I never hear Republican voters talk about how they're just going to give up on voting, I hear Dem-likely voters say it on an almost daily basis. I don't know how they think letting Republicans get back into office and take the nation in the opposite direction will serve them in anyway, but in their mind it makes sense, I guess. Youre being too critical and dismissive. I hate that every thing you want rhetoric. Ive got a list of a few basic things most of the first world has, like single payer healthcare, extended paid vacation / paternity leave / maternity leave by law, EU style consumer rights / protections, corporations and the wealthy actually being held accountable instead of being punished with fines that are a fraction of the profit they made committing crimes, etc. Barely any Democratic politician has even pretended to give lip service to any of that. Its not not getting everything I want. Its getting literally nothing Ive wanted my whole life, and Im about to turn 38. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:980498500] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Kradek posted... </cite><quote>I think Republican voters are just want to "enforce" their will a lot more than Dem voters. A major motivation for Republican voters for all these decades has been electing Republicans to get right-wing judges who will enforce conservative views through the law and also with the hope that one day they'd own the SC and overturn Roe, which they finally achieved. I don't hear Dem voters talk about how important or motivating it is to vote Dems so we get left-wing judges who will side with people over corporations.That should have been a huge motivating factor back in 2016 and I remember desperately trying to tell people on 261 how important it is that they encourage voting for Clinton so that Trump doesn't get SCJ's on the court and look what happened.Republican voters may be too forgiving of their candidates when they don't come through, however I feel like Dem voters are the flipside where they just forsake voting altogether after one or 2 elections because they don't every single thing they want, even if they happened to get quite a f ew things that should make them happy.I never hear Republican voters talk about how they're just going to give up on voting, I hear Dem-likely voters say it on an almost daily basis. I don't know how they think letting Republicans get back into office and take the nation in the opposite direction will serve them in anyway, but in their mind it makes sense, I guess.</quote>Youre being too critical and dismissive. I hate that every thing you want rhetoric. Ive got a list of a few basic things most of the first world has, like single payer healthcare, extended paid vacation / paternity leave / maternity leave by law, EU style consumer rights / protections, corporations and the wealthy actually being held accountable instead of being punished with fines that are a fraction of the profit they made committing crimes, etc.Barely any Democratic politician has even pretended to give lip service to any of that. Its not not getting everything I want. Its getting literally nothing Ive wanted my whole life, and Im about to turn 38. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tanthalas 05/21/24 8:25:45 PM #61:	PraetorXyn posted... Im more saying its pretty sad that Republicans seem so much more effective than Democrats and their constant barely anything when theyre in power. Of course Republicans are far more effective than Democrats, because destroying is so much easier than building. --- Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage". <cite>Tanthalas posted [p:980498573] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Im more saying its pretty sad that Republicans seem so much more effective than Democrats and their constant barely anything when theyre in power.</quote>Of course Republicans are far more effective than Democrats, because destroying is so much easier than building. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyborgSage00x0 05/21/24 8:27:05 PM #62:	Because the people that vote Trump don't care about policy. They like that he's a loud, racists asshole that "triggerz teh libz!" That's literally all it is. --- PotD's resident Film Expert. <cite>CyborgSage00x0 posted [p:980498602] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Because the people that vote Trump don't care about policy. They like that he's a loud, racists asshole that "triggerz teh libz!"That's literally all it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 05/21/24 8:28:02 PM #63:	Tanthalas posted... Of course Republicans are far more effective than Democrats, because destroying is so much easier than building. Democrats arent very interested in building either. They want to maintain the status quo. Granted, they couldnt even if they wanted to, because their voters are too geographically concentrated in urban areas, so it basically takes a miracle for them to have 60 Senate votes and there always seems to be enough defectors to prevent progress with 60 votes. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:980498613] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Tanthalas posted... </cite><quote>Of course Republicans are far more effective than Democrats, because destroying is so much easier than building.</quote>Democrats arent very interested in building either. They want to maintain the status quo. Granted, they couldnt even if they wanted to, because their voters are too geographically concentrated in urban areas, so it basically takes a miracle for them to have 60 Senate votes and there always seems to be enough defectors to prevent progress with 60 votes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 05/21/24 8:29:17 PM #64:	PraetorXyn posted... Democrats arent very interested in building either. Biden literally passed the largest climate bill which has allowed for huge investments in clean energy and infrastructure. --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:980498633] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Democrats arent very interested in building either.</quote>Biden literally passed the largest climate bill which has allowed for huge investments in clean energy and infrastructure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tanthalas 05/21/24 8:30:05 PM #65:	PraetorXyn posted... Democrats arent very interested in building either. You say that, but most of the good in the US in the last decades came from Democrats. --- Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage". <cite>Tanthalas posted [p:980498639] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Democrats arent very interested in building either.</quote>You say that, but most of the good in the US in the last decades came from Democrats. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrDrMan 05/21/24 8:30:19 PM #66:	I mean the dude was already President once. Im sure people can imagine life from 2016-2020. --- Insert sig here <cite>MrDrMan posted [p:980498647] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>I mean the dude was already President once. Im sure people can imagine life from 2016-2020. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 05/21/24 8:32:14 PM #67:	Tanthalas posted... You say that, but most of the good in the US in the last decades came from Democrats. Crumbs. Look at what the rest of the first worlds leaders did over the last century and compare. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:980498669] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Tanthalas posted... </cite><quote>You say that, but most of the good in the US in the last decades came from Democrats.</quote>Crumbs. Look at what the rest of the first worlds leaders did over the last century and compare. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 05/21/24 8:32:49 PM #68:	emblem-man posted... Biden literally passed the largest climate bill which has allowed for huge investments in clean energy and infrastructure. And yet its far too little far too late, which he knew when he ran in the first place. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:980498676] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>emblem-man posted... </cite><quote>Biden literally passed the largest climate bill which has allowed for huge investments in clean energy and infrastructure.</quote>And yet its far too little far too late, which he knew when he ran in the first place. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kradek 05/21/24 8:33:15 PM #69:	PraetorXyn posted... Youre being too critical and dismissive. I hate that every thing you want rhetoric. Ive got a list of a few basic things most of the first world has, like single payer healthcare, extended paid vacation / paternity leave / maternity leave by law, EU style consumer rights / protections, corporations and the wealthy actually being held accountable instead of being punished with fines that are a fraction of the profit they made committing crimes, etc. Barely any Democratic politician has even pretended to give lip service to any of that. Its not not getting everything I want. Its getting literally nothing Ive wanted my whole life, and Im about to turn 38. But you've either made steps towards those items, improvements of them, or at the very least preventing Republicans from rolling it backwards. And nah I don't think I'm being too critical or dismissive. I've been on these boards for many years and I've seen the same arguments made ad nauseum, as well as seeing it outside of this board. Dem-likely voters tend to be very short-term sighted and Repub voters are conversely long-term. They're willing to accept loss after loss after loss after loss for the hope that one day they get what they want. A few elections of things not going their way and I start hearing about protest votes to "stick it to the Democratic party" and not voting at all "so they'll get the message", and how has that worked out? Has anybody actually paid attention or given a fuck? Or has this country just slid every increasingly closer to a fascist takeover in which elections become irrelevant anyways? This isn't personally addressed to you, however do you really think it was worth it to not vote for Clinton in 2016 for this or that and end up with the state we're in now? PraetorXyn posted... Democrats arent very interested in building either. PraetorXyn posted... Crumbs. Biden literally passed a huge infrastructure bill and has been the most pro-green POTUS in history, a lot of that includes investing in green businesses and jobs. You're a good example of how good is never good enough. Or letting good be the enemy of perfect. No amount of progress forward matters to you because it doesn't live up to your standards. MrDrMan posted... I mean the dude was already President once. Im sure people can imagine life from 2016-2020. Actually the American electorate has a depressingly short-term memory and the reason Trump is polling so closely to Biden is largely in part to amnesia about Trump's presidency. It's scary how many people have forgotten the horrors if his presidency and how it would be far worse under another. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) <cite>Kradek posted [p:980498680] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Youre being too critical and dismissive. I hate that every thing you want rhetoric. Ive got a list of a few basic things most of the first world has, like single payer healthcare, extended paid vacation / paternity leave / maternity leave by law, EU style consumer rights / protections, corporations and the wealthy actually being held accountable instead of being punished with fines that are a fraction of the profit they made committing crimes, etc.Barely any Democratic politician has even pretended to give lip service to any of that. Its not not getting everything I want. Its getting literally nothing Ive wanted my whole life, and Im about to turn 38.</quote>But you've either made steps towards those items, improvements of them, or at the very least preventing Republicans from rolling it backwards. And nah I don't think I'm being too critical or dismissive. I've been on these boards for many years and I've seen the same arguments made ad nauseum, as well as seeing it outside of this board. Dem-likely voters tend to be very short-term sighted and Repub voters are conversely long-term. They're willing to accept loss after loss after loss after loss for the hope that one day they get what they want. A few elections of things not going their way and I start hearing about protest votes to "stick it to the Democratic party" and not voting at all "so they'll get the message", and how has that worked out? Has anybody actually paid attention or given a fuck? Or has this country just slid every increasingly closer to a fascist takeover in which elections become irrelevant anyways?This isn't personally addressed to you, however do you really think it was worth it to not vote for Clinton in 2016 for this or that and end up with the state we're in now? PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Democrats arent very interested in building either.</quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Crumbs.</quote>Biden literally passed a huge infrastructure bill and has been the most pro-green POTUS in history, a lot of that includes investing in green businesses and jobs.You're a good example of how good is never good enough. Or letting good be the enemy of perfect. No amount of progress forward matters to you because it doesn't live up to your standards.MrDrMan posted... </cite><quote>I mean the dude was already President once. Im sure people can imagine life from 2016-2020.</quote>Actually the American electorate has a depressingly short-term memory and the reason Trump is polling so closely to Biden is largely in part to amnesia about Trump's presidency.It's scary how many people have forgotten the horrors if his presidency and how it would be far worse under another. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 05/21/24 8:36:59 PM #70:	AceVanquish posted... The guy blocked me apparently so I got confused and thought I posted in the wrong thread. Who did? --- S / K / Y / N / E <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:980498721] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>AceVanquish posted... </cite><quote>The guy blocked me apparently so I got confused and thought I posted in the wrong thread.</quote>Who did? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WingsOfGood 05/21/24 8:39:19 PM #71:	Kradek posted... Actually the American electorate has a depressingly short-term memory and the reason Trump is polling so closely to Biden is largely in part to amnesia about Trump's presidency. People on CE literally forgot about the Muslim ban. <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:980498745] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Kradek posted... </cite><quote>Actually the American electorate has a depressingly short-term memory and the reason Trump is polling so closely to Biden is largely in part to amnesia about Trump's presidency.</quote>People on CE literally forgot about the Muslim ban.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2Pacavelli 05/21/24 8:40:43 PM #72:	The people who would consider voting for Biden, are not voting for Trump at all. The choice of between Biden and not voting at all. There's nothing Trump can do to earn those voters votes, so there's no reason for them to make that statement. Whereas the actual Trump supporters, they are already sold on him too. So none of them are making the statement either <cite>2Pacavelli posted [p:980498767] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>The people who would consider voting for Biden, are not voting for Trump at all. The choice of between Biden and not voting at all. There's nothing Trump can do to earn those voters votes, so there's no reason for them to make that statement. Whereas the actual Trump supporters, they are already sold on him too. So none of them are making the statement either</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 05/21/24 8:47:52 PM #73:	PraetorXyn posted... And yet its far too little far too late, which he knew when he ran in the first place. No it's not fucking too late and that type of doomerism is useless. There's a material difference between the climate plans of Biden and Trump and it's stupid to pretend otherwise --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:980498858] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>And yet its far too little far too late, which he knew when he ran in the first place.</quote>No it's not fucking too late and that type of doomerism is useless. There's a material difference between the climate plans of Biden and Trump and it's stupid to pretend otherwise </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 05/21/24 8:49:02 PM #74:	Sides were chosen on that years ago. Only thing that has changed is less people will be voting for him than in last election <cite>Axiom posted [p:980498872] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Sides were chosen on that years ago. Only thing that has changed is less people will be voting for him than in last election</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssb_yunglink2 05/21/24 8:54:25 PM #75:	PraetorXyn posted... And yet its far too little far too late, which he knew when he ran in the first place. Lmao accelerationism is such a ridiculous and frankly childish belief system. You think its too late so you dont think we should even try to make things better? dawg thats really dumb --- Hee Ho <cite>ssb_yunglink2 posted [p:980498960] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>And yet its far too little far too late, which he knew when he ran in the first place.</quote>Lmao accelerationism is such a ridiculous and frankly childish belief system. You think its too late so you dont think we should even try to make things better? dawg thats really dumb </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyborgSage00x0 05/21/24 8:56:04 PM #76:	PraetorXyn posted... Crumbs. Look at what the rest of the first worlds leaders did over the last century and compare. PraetorXyn posted... And yet its far too little far too late, which he knew when he ran in the first place. Just admit you made a foolish statement instead of this transparent backtracking. "Not enough" and "too late" by your "esteemed" judgment isn't mutually exclusive with the fact that the Dems do try to build, move forward, and progress. Status quo is literally what a conservative is, bud. Just take the L. --- PotD's resident Film Expert. <cite>CyborgSage00x0 posted [p:980498974] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Crumbs. Look at what the rest of the first worlds leaders did over the last century and compare.</quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>And yet its far too little far too late, which he knew when he ran in the first place.</quote>Just admit you made a foolish statement instead of this transparent backtracking. "Not enough" and "too late" by your "esteemed" judgment isn't mutually exclusive with the fact that the Dems do try to build, move forward, and progress. Status quo is literally what a conservative is, bud.Just take the L. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem-man 05/21/24 8:56:51 PM #77:	Axiom posted... Sides were chosen on that years ago. Only thing that has changed is less people will be voting for him than in last election He gained more votes in 2020 than in 2016. Why do you think he also couldn't gain votes in 2024 --- http://avatar.xboxlive.com/avatar/emblem%20boy/avatar-body.png haters gonna hate <cite>emblem-man posted [p:980498982] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Axiom posted... </cite><quote>Sides were chosen on that years ago. Only thing that has changed is less people will be voting for him than in last election</quote>He gained more votes in 2020 than in 2016. Why do you think he also couldn't gain votes in 2024 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyborgSage00x0 05/21/24 9:02:21 PM #78:	emblem-man posted... He gained more votes in 2020 than in 2016. Why do you think he also couldn't gain votes in 2024 That was due to nation-wide mail in voting. --- PotD's resident Film Expert. <cite>CyborgSage00x0 posted [p:980499035] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>emblem-man posted... </cite><quote>He gained more votes in 2020 than in 2016. Why do you think he also couldn't gain votes in 2024</quote>That was due to nation-wide mail in voting. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 05/21/24 9:06:47 PM #79:	PraetorXyn posted... Crumbs. Look at what the rest of the first worlds leaders did over the last century and compare. America is far too extremist right ring for you to ever get what you want in this lifetime. America is falling backwards in terms of human rights I.e. abortion ban etc. your only option is small improvements over time (like how republicans are damaging society) or move to a country that isnt a right-wing garbage dump <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:980499085] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Crumbs. Look at what the rest of the first worlds leaders did over the last century and compare.</quote>America is far too extremist right ring for you to ever get what you want in this lifetime. America is falling backwards in terms of human rights I.e. abortion ban etc. your only option is small improvements over time (like how republicans are damaging society) or move to a country that isnt a right-wing garbage dump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 05/21/24 9:19:10 PM #80:	CyborgSage00x0 posted... Just admit you made a foolish statement instead of this transparent backtracking. "Not enough" and "too late" by your "esteemed" judgment isn't mutually exclusive with the fact that the Dems do try to build, move forward, and progress. Status quo is literally what a conservative is, bud. Just take the L. Nah. If they were interested in building theyd have a hell of a lot more to show for it. You may be impressed. Im not, not even close. Ill still vote for them, but its absolutely pitiful how many people are happy to accept mediocrity. ssb_yunglink2 posted... Lmao accelerationism is such a ridiculous and frankly childish belief system. You think its too late so you dont think we should even try to make things better? dawg thats really dumb Its not accelerationism to point out scientific fact. Bidens plan is not enough to prevent what climate scientists warned about years ago. Itll be long after you and I are gone, but its inevitable at this point that the planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas, as George Carlin put it, barring some massive scientific breakthrough that lets us reverse the damage weve already caused. emblem-man posted... No it's not fucking too late and that type of doomerism is useless. There's a material difference between the climate plans of Biden and Trump and it's stupid to pretend otherwise See above. Take it up with climate scientists if you disagree. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:980499248] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>CyborgSage00x0 posted... </cite><quote>Just admit you made a foolish statement instead of this transparent backtracking. "Not enough" and "too late" by your "esteemed" judgment isn't mutually exclusive with the fact that the Dems do try to build, move forward, and progress. Status quo is literally what a conservative is, bud.Just take the L.</quote>Nah. If they were interested in building theyd have a hell of a lot more to show for it. You may be impressed. Im not, not even close. Ill still vote for them, but its absolutely pitiful how many people are happy to accept mediocrity.ssb_yunglink2 posted... </cite><quote>Lmao accelerationism is such a ridiculous and frankly childish belief system.You think its too late so you dont think we should even try to make things better? dawg thats really dumb</quote>Its not accelerationism to point out scientific fact. Bidens plan is not enough to prevent what climate scientists warned about years ago. Itll be long after you and I are gone, but its inevitable at this point that the planet will shake us off like a bad case of fleas, as George Carlin put it, barring some massive scientific breakthrough that lets us reverse the damage weve already caused.emblem-man posted... </cite><quote>No it's not fucking too late and that type of doomerism is useless. There's a material difference between the climate plans of Biden and Trump and it's stupid to pretend otherwise</quote>See above. Take it up with climate scientists if you disagree. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 05/21/24 9:19:46 PM #81:	Rika_Furude posted... America is far too extremist right ring for you to ever get what you want in this lifetime. America is falling backwards in terms of human rights I.e. abortion ban etc. your only option is small improvements over time (like how republicans are damaging society) or move to a country that isnt a right-wing garbage dump I know that. Im simply baffled most of the people in this topic cant grasp such a basic reality. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:980499255] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted... </cite><quote>America is far too extremist right ring for you to ever get what you want in this lifetime. America is falling backwards in terms of human rights I.e. abortion ban etc. your only option is small improvements over time (like how republicans are damaging society) or move to a country that isnt a right-wing garbage dump</quote>I know that. Im simply baffled most of the people in this topic cant grasp such a basic reality. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Diceheist 05/21/24 10:55:21 PM #82:	Rika_Furude posted... America is far too extremist right ring for you to ever get what you want in this lifetime. America is falling backwards in terms of human rights I.e. abortion ban etc. your only option is small improvements over time (like how republicans are damaging society) or move to a country that isnt a right-wing garbage dump It's possible to get more done in some areas by not focusing so much on others. --- ~ DH ~ <cite>Diceheist posted [p:980500514] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted...</cite><quote>America is far too extremist right ring for you to ever get what you want in this lifetime. America is falling backwards in terms of human rights I.e. abortion ban etc. your only option is small improvements over time (like how republicans are damaging society) or move to a country that isnt a right-wing garbage dump </quote>It's possible to get more done in some areas by not focusing so much on others. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LonelyStoner 05/21/24 10:56:56 PM #83:	Buffy_Summers posted... Cos anyone voting for Trump is doing so blindly. They would vote for an Ape in a tinfoil hat that slung poo everywhere. I can assure you Trump voters arent doing it blindly. --- He's all alone through the day and night. <cite>LonelyStoner posted [p:980500531] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Buffy_Summers posted... </cite><quote>Cos anyone voting for Trump is doing so blindly. They would vote for an Ape in a tinfoil hat that slung poo everywhere.</quote>I can assure you Trump voters arent doing it blindly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 05/21/24 11:10:13 PM #84:	Diceheist posted... It's possible to get more done in some areas by not focusing so much on others. Is it? Different people do different things <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:980500681] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Diceheist posted... </cite><quote>It's possible to get more done in some areas by not focusing so much on others.</quote>Is it? Different people do different things</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 05/22/24 9:29:51 AM #85:	Kradek posted... But you've either made steps towards those items, improvements of them, or at the very least preventing Republicans from rolling it backwards. Not that Ive seen other than the last item there. No one has even said they want to do any of those things besides Bernie. Pelosi actively assured donors they wouldnt change healthcare if memory serves. And nah I don't think I'm being too critical or dismissive. I've been on these boards for many years and I've seen the same arguments made ad nauseum, as well as seeing it outside of this board. Dem-likely voters tend to be very short-term sighted and Repub voters are conversely long-term. They're willing to accept loss after loss after loss after loss for the hope that one day they get what they want. A few elections of things not going their way and I start hearing about protest votes to "stick it to the Democratic party" and not voting at all "so they'll get the message", and how has that worked out? Has anybody actually paid attention or given a fuck? Or has this country just slid ever increasingly closer to a fascist takeover in which elections become irrelevant anyways? The latter part is true, but its not a function of people not voting. Democrats always enable the awful shit, like Biden is doing with genocide right now, Democrats around the country have done with online ID laws in various states, and the Democrats are trying to do with the new SOPA on steroids that would kill online privacy in this country right now. This isn't personally addressed to you, however do you really think it was worth it to not vote for Clinton in 2016 for this or that and end up with the state we're in now? Yes, considering she and the Democrats won Virginia handily and thus my voting for her would have changed literally nothing, so not voting for someone I detest when doing so would gain me nothing makes me feel better. Biden literally passed a huge infrastructure bill and has been the most pro-green POTUS in history, a lot of that includes investing in green businesses and jobs. Yeah, but our infrastructure is still garbage and were still decades behind where we should be clean energy wise. We should have switched to nuclear decades ago. You're a good example of how good is never good enough. Or letting good be the enemy of perfect. No amount of progress forward matters to you because it doesn't live up to your standards. Nah. Weve just barely made any progress. If wed gotten like 30% there that would be pretty good. Its more like 3%. Actually the American electorate has a depressingly short-term memory and the reason Trump is polling so closely to Biden is largely in part to amnesia about Trump's presidency. Yes and no. Voters do have the memory of goldfish, but roughly half of them actually like what he says and does like I said. It's scary how many people have forgotten the horrors if his presidency and how it would be far worse under another. This is more a function of poor civics education than memory loss. For straight white people, all they need to know is that gas was cheaper under Trump and the prices of things hadnt been gouged to hell. Theyre just dumb enough to think the president has a magic economy dial in his office instead of blaming corporate greed like they ought to. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:980504693] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Kradek posted... </cite><quote>But you've either made steps towards those items, improvements of them, or at the very least preventing Republicans from rolling it backwards. </quote>Not that Ive seen other than the last item there. No one has even said they want to do any of those things besides Bernie. Pelosi actively assured donors they wouldnt change healthcare if memory serves.<quote>And nah I don't think I'm being too critical or dismissive. I've been on these boards for many years and I've seen the same arguments made ad nauseum, as well as seeing it outside of this board. Dem-likely voters tend to be very short-term sighted and Repub voters are conversely long-term. They're willing to accept loss after loss after loss after loss for the hope that one day they get what they want. A few elections of things not going their way and I start hearing about protest votes to "stick it to the Democratic party" and not voting at all "so they'll get the message", and how has that worked out? Has anybody actually paid attention or given a fuck? Or has this country just slid ever increasingly closer to a fascist takeover in which elections become irrelevant anyways?</quote>The latter part is true, but its not a function of people not voting. Democrats always enable the awful shit, like Biden is doing with genocide right now, Democrats around the country have done with online ID laws in various states, and the Democrats are trying to do with the new SOPA on steroids that would kill online privacy in this country right now.<quote>This isn't personally addressed to you, however do you really think it was worth it to not vote for Clinton in 2016 for this or that and end up with the state we're in now? </quote>Yes, considering she and the Democrats won Virginia handily and thus my voting for her would have changed literally nothing, so not voting for someone I detest when doing so would gain me nothing makes me feel better.<quote>Biden literally passed a huge infrastructure bill and has been the most pro-green POTUS in history, a lot of that includes investing in green businesses and jobs.</quote>Yeah, but our infrastructure is still garbage and were still decades behind where we should be clean energy wise. We should have switched to nuclear decades ago.<quote>You're a good example of how good is never good enough. Or letting good be the enemy of perfect. No amount of progress forward matters to you because it doesn't live up to your standards.</quote>Nah. Weve just barely made any progress. If wed gotten like 30% there that would be pretty good. Its more like 3%.<quote>Actually the American electorate has a depressingly short-term memory and the reason Trump is polling so closely to Biden is largely in part to amnesia about Trump's presidency.</quote>Yes and no. Voters do have the memory of goldfish, but roughly half of them actually like what he says and does like I said.<quote>It's scary how many people have forgotten the horrors if his presidency and how it would be far worse under another.</quote>This is more a function of poor civics education than memory loss. For straight white people, all they need to know is that gas was cheaper under Trump and the prices of things hadnt been gouged to hell. Theyre just dumb enough to think the president has a magic economy dial in his office instead of blaming corporate greed like they ought to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningThief 05/22/24 9:54:31 AM #86:	Because it's mostly right wing propaganda. The angle is to instill enough people to not vote for Democrats since generally speakkng more people voting tends to mean Democrat victories. Hence why right wingers always go with one or more of the following: What's the point of voting, both sides bad Convince me to vote Your vote doesn't matter Disingenuous questions why specifically Democrats didn't pass something..... that they didn't have the numbers in Congress to pass Hyper focus on a specific issue Dems aren't doing particularly great on and use it as an anchor to say they are equally bad to the list of things Republicans are doing right now. This angle puts hyper focus on a single issue, and very similar to the first one I listed, but slightly different for the fact that single issue voters are even easier to manipulate. Swing voters and even some left leaners are mire susceptible to the above talking points, and have a chance of unwillingly helping Republicans. Hence why right wingers champion the above messaging at nauseum. <cite>LightningThief posted [p:980504948] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Because it's mostly right wing propaganda.The angle is to instill enough people to not vote for Democrats since generally speakkng more people voting tends to mean Democrat victories.Hence why right wingers always go with one or more of the following:What's the point of voting, both sides badConvince me to voteYour vote doesn't matterDisingenuous questions why specifically Democrats didn't pass something..... that they didn't have the numbers in Congress to passHyper focus on a specific issue Dems aren't doing particularly great on and use it as an anchor to say they are equally bad to the list of things Republicans are doing right now. This angle puts hyper focus on a single issue, and very similar to the first one I listed, but slightly different for the fact that single issue voters are even easier to manipulate.Swing voters and even some left leaners are mire susceptible to the above talking points, and have a chance of unwillingly helping Republicans. Hence why right wingers champion the above messaging at nauseum.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ROB45 05/22/24 10:12:29 AM #87:	Your political system is so bad that neither candidate needs to "earn" anything. <cite>ROB45 posted [p:980505178] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Your political system is so bad that neither candidate needs to "earn" anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PraetorXyn 05/22/24 10:16:14 AM #89:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I took his statement to mean progressives had to have faith in their elected leaders enacting the changes they want, because basically none of us do. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:980505231] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> I took his statement to mean progressives had to have faith in their elected leaders enacting the changes they want, because basically none of us do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningThief 05/22/24 10:16:45 AM #90:	ROB45 posted... Your political system is so bad that neither candidate needs to "earn" anything. This isn't really true either. Despite right wing propaganda and messaging successfully convincing certain people to be one issue voters, a lot of progressive agendas have passed under this administration than any other president in most of this boards lifetime. So the idea a vote hasn't been earned for many of us just because of the one issue he's fucking up on, just isn't true. Not all of us are one issue voters who can't acknowledge the many progressive agendas successfully passed. <cite>LightningThief posted [p:980505238] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>ROB45 posted... </cite><quote>Your political system is so bad that neither candidate needs to "earn" anything.</quote>This isn't really true either. Despite right wing propaganda and messaging successfully convincing certain people to be one issue voters, a lot of progressive agendas have passed under this administration than any other president in most of this boards lifetime.So the idea a vote hasn't been earned for many of us just because of the one issue he's fucking up on, just isn't true. Not all of us are one issue voters who can't acknowledge the many progressive agendas successfully passed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rexdragon125 05/22/24 10:17:57 AM #91:	MysteryMan923 posted... How come no one ever comes at it from that angle? TikTok brain rot <cite>Rexdragon125 posted [p:980505253] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>MysteryMan923 posted... </cite><quote>How come no one ever comes at it from that angle?</quote>TikTok brain rot</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 05/22/24 10:19:52 AM #92:	LightningThief posted... This isn't really true either. Despite right wing proposals successfully convincing certain people to be one issue voters, a lot of progressive agendas have passed under this administration than any other president in most of this boards lifetime. So the idea a vote hasn't been earned for many of us over the one issue he's fucking up on, just isn't true. The sad thing is this is a completely true statement, and yet the guy you replied to is also right. Biden has done more than any president in my lifetime, and yet hes done so little in the grand scheme of things that its a massive indictment of past presidents if this little impresses people. Its pathetic how low the bar has been set. That is the exemplar of how fucked up and broken our political system is. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:980505281] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>LightningThief posted... </cite><quote>This isn't really true either. Despite right wing proposals successfully convincing certain people to be one issue voters, a lot of progressive agendas have passed under this administration than any other president in most of this boards lifetime.So the idea a vote hasn't been earned for many of us over the one issue he's fucking up on, just isn't true.</quote>The sad thing is this is a completely true statement, and yet the guy you replied to is also right. Biden has done more than any president in my lifetime, and yet hes done so little in the grand scheme of things that its a massive indictment of past presidents if this little impresses people. Its pathetic how low the bar has been set. That is the exemplar of how fucked up and broken our political system is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KCJ5062 05/22/24 10:47:39 AM #93:	CableZL posted... Trump should never have been allowed to be president in the first place. He's a well-known con artist and was obviously going to use the office to enrich himself. He shouldn't had even been able to run for president. He didn't even get into politics until like a year before the 2016 election. --- It's amazing how people hang around message boards of games they don't like <cite>KCJ5062 posted [p:980505641] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>CableZL posted... </cite><quote>Trump should never have been allowed to be president in the first place. He's a well-known con artist and was obviously going to use the office to enrich himself.</quote>He shouldn't had even been able to run for president. He didn't even get into politics until like a year before the 2016 election. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Heineken14 05/22/24 11:18:16 AM #94:	KCJ5062 posted... He shouldn't had even been able to run for president. He didn't even get into politics until like a year before the 2016 election. He had toyed around with/tried running for president... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_career_of_Donald_Trump --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. <cite>Heineken14 posted [p:980506010] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>KCJ5062 posted... </cite><quote>He shouldn't had even been able to run for president. He didn't even get into politics until like a year before the 2016 election.</quote>He had toyed around with/tried running for president...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_career_of_Donald_Trump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kradek 05/22/24 12:41:09 PM #95:	Heineken14 posted... He had toyed around with/tried running for president... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_career_of_Donald_Trump Also he was the one who primarily spearheaded the birtherism slander against Obama and claimed he spent 1m on private investigators to find his "real" birth certificate. Trump becoming some shithead Republican was inevitable at that point. WingsOfGood posted... People on CE literally forgot about the Muslim ban. Dang, that's sad. PraetorXyn posted... Not that Ive seen other than the last item there. No one has even said they want to do any of those things besides Bernie. Pelosi actively assured donors they wouldnt change healthcare if memory serves. Sounds like you just being stubborn and once again letting good be the enemy of perfect. PraetorXyn posted... The latter part is true, but its not a function of people not voting. Democrats always enable the awful shit, like Biden is doing with genocide right now, Democrats around the country have done with online ID laws in various states, and the Democrats are trying to do with the new SOPA on steroids that would kill online privacy in this country right now. Any POTUS would have. The harshest thing Sanders is calling for is trying to make Israel follow the law that Biden should be enforcing and that wasn't until rather recently, meaning even in Biden's shoes he'd still largely have done similar. "always enable the awful shit", get out of here, sometimes they can't stop it. PraetorXyn posted... Yes, considering she and the Democrats won Virginia handily and thus my voting for her would have changed literally nothing, so not voting for someone I detest when doing so would gain me nothing makes me feel better. Like I said, not personally addressed to you. But lets say your vote did matter and you lived in PA or MI, is you trying to stick it to Clinton to send some flaccid message worth every woman you know losing their right to bodily autonomy? Would it be worth having the Christo-fascist right-wingers as the primary force on the SC and likely having that setup for decades to come? Because we run that risk to an even greater degree if Trump gets a 2nd term and Thomas and/or Alito stop down so the Federalist Society can put more young fascists on. Hell, if Trump gets back in he's liable to put Judge Cannon on the SC as a reward for stalling the espionage case against him. PraetorXyn posted... Nah. Weve just barely made any progress. If wed gotten like 30% there that would be pretty good. Its more like 3%. Nah, you've repeatedly demonstrated that's the case. In the start of your responses to this message you literally said "I don't see it", right, you don't see it, because it's not good enough for you. Many others do see it and how it's benefitted people. PraetorXyn posted... Yes and no. Voters do have the memory of goldfish, but roughly half of them actually like what he says and does like I said. Nah, I refuse to believe it's half. Certainly the fascists love him and there are the Republicans who will fall in line, however for the people in the middle and Independents it's largely based off of ignorance as to how awful he truly is and likely hearing too many ads from him or having a friend talk him up that convinced them to like him. Polling is still primarily conducted through landlines and who is most likely to answer landlines and political surveys? Older Republicans. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) <cite>Kradek posted [p:980507246] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Heineken14 posted... </cite><quote>He had toyed around with/tried running for president...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_career_of_Donald_Trump</quote>Also he was the one who primarily spearheaded the birtherism slander against Obama and claimed he spent 1m on private investigators to find his "real" birth certificate.Trump becoming some shithead Republican was inevitable at that point.WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>People on CE literally forgot about the Muslim ban.</quote>Dang, that's sad.PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Not that Ive seen other than the last item there. No one has even said they want to do any of those things besides Bernie. Pelosi actively assured donors they wouldnt change healthcare if memory serves.</quote>Sounds like you just being stubborn and once again letting good be the enemy of perfect.PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>The latter part is true, but its not a function of people not voting. Democrats always enable the awful shit, like Biden is doing with genocide right now, Democrats around the country have done with online ID laws in various states, and the Democrats are trying to do with the new SOPA on steroids that would kill online privacy in this country right now.</quote>Any POTUS would have. The harshest thing Sanders is calling for is trying to make Israel follow the law that Biden should be enforcing and that wasn't until rather recently, meaning even in Biden's shoes he'd still largely have done similar. "always enable the awful shit", get out of here, sometimes they can't stop it.PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Yes, considering she and the Democrats won Virginia handily and thus my voting for her would have changed literally nothing, so not voting for someone I detest when doing so would gain me nothing makes me feel better.</quote>Like I said, not personally addressed to you. But lets say your vote did matter and you lived in PA or MI, is you trying to stick it to Clinton to send some flaccid message worth every woman you know losing their right to bodily autonomy? Would it be worth having the Christo-fascist right-wingers as the primary force on the SC and likely having that setup for decades to come? Because we run that risk to an even greater degree if Trump gets a 2nd term and Thomas and/or Alito stop down so the Federalist Society can put more young fascists on. Hell, if Trump gets back in he's liable to put Judge Cannon on the SC as a reward for stalling the espionage case against him.PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Nah. Weve just barely made any progress. If wed gotten like 30% there that would be pretty good. Its more like 3%.</quote>Nah, you've repeatedly demonstrated that's the case. In the start of your responses to this message you literally said "I don't see it", right, you don't see it, because it's not good enough for you. Many others do see it and how it's benefitted people.PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Yes and no. Voters do have the memory of goldfish, but roughly half of them actually like what he says and does like I said.</quote>Nah, I refuse to believe it's half. Certainly the fascists love him and there are the Republicans who will fall in line, however for the people in the middle and Independents it's largely based off of ignorance as to how awful he truly is and likely hearing too many ads from him or having a friend talk him up that convinced them to like him. Polling is still primarily conducted through landlines and who is most likely to answer landlines and political surveys? Older Republicans. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kradek 05/22/24 12:44:21 PM #96:	PraetorXyn posted... This is more a function of poor civics education than memory loss. For straight white people, all they need to know is that gas was cheaper under Trump and the prices of things hadnt been gouged to hell. Theyre just dumb enough to think the president has a magic economy dial in his office instead of blaming corporate greed like they ought to. The media and Republicans were trying to use inflation/prices as a reason the Dems would get creamed in 2022 and that didn't pan out. Traditionally that may be the case, however since the loss of Roe people are voting more out of anger due to the loss of their rights, which some idiots actually blame on Biden, though thankfully not enough. There is absolutely amnesia around Trump's presidency and people thinking it won't be that bad if he gets back in even though he's promising to go full fascist dictator on day 1, that's not really debatable when you hear feedback from the common person on Trump's first term. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) <cite>Kradek posted [p:980507289] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>This is more a function of poor civics education than memory loss. For straight white people, all they need to know is that gas was cheaper under Trump and the prices of things hadnt been gouged to hell. Theyre just dumb enough to think the president has a magic economy dial in his office instead of blaming corporate greed like they ought to.</quote>The media and Republicans were trying to use inflation/prices as a reason the Dems would get creamed in 2022 and that didn't pan out. Traditionally that may be the case, however since the loss of Roe people are voting more out of anger due to the loss of their rights, which some idiots actually blame on Biden, though thankfully not enough. There is absolutely amnesia around Trump's presidency and people thinking it won't be that bad if he gets back in even though he's promising to go full fascist dictator on day 1, that's not really debatable when you hear feedback from the common person on Trump's first term. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyborgSage00x0 05/22/24 1:01:16 PM #97:	PraetorXyn posted... Nah. If they were interested in building theyd have a hell of a lot more to show for it. Only if you pretend to not understand the US government and political system, which is, by design, slow. Having a Dem President and even a Dem Congress doesn't mean a magic wand is waved and they get what they want, mostly because of this tiny little thing you may have heard of called Republicans. Even big leaps forward like Obamacare have been slowly chipped away at and diminished by Republicans. It's kind of hard to show progress when you have an opposition party in a political system designed to give them equal say, and a renegade Supreme Court. Don't blame it for a lack of effort unless you want to seem naive and ignorant. PraetorXyn posted... You may be impressed. Im not, not even close. Ill still vote for them, but its absolutely pitiful how many people are happy to accept mediocrity. Again, being impressed or not has nothing to do with if the Dems do try to build and progress or not. "They could do more" is a separate thought and argument all together...but not what you said. And most do want them to do more. But again, see the above point on the biggest issue to that. PraetorXyn posted... Bidens plan is not enough to prevent what climate scientists warned about years ago. Biden's plan would never be enough, but climate change is a global problem, not a US one. Unless the whole world cooperates, even the actions by the biggest polluters won't do much to move the needle. And again, it's not like Dems were even in control decades ago when this would have mattered more, or had a continual streak of power to make sure it's maintained. You're functioning in a fantasy world where Dems totally had the magic power to do all of this, and it was just their lack of want that prevented to do so. It's literally the opposite. You can want a party you vote for to do better or do more without resorting to such ridiculous statements. Take the L. --- PotD's resident Film Expert. <cite>CyborgSage00x0 posted [p:980507544] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Nah. If they were interested in building theyd have a hell of a lot more to show for it.</quote>Only if you pretend to not understand the US government and political system, which is, by design, slow. Having a Dem President and even a Dem Congress doesn't mean a magic wand is waved and they get what they want, mostly because of this tiny little thing you may have heard of called Republicans. Even big leaps forward like Obamacare have been slowly chipped away at and diminished by Republicans.It's kind of hard to show progress when you have an opposition party in a political system designed to give them equal say, and a renegade Supreme Court. Don't blame it for a lack of effort unless you want to seem naive and ignorant.PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>You may be impressed. Im not, not even close. Ill still vote for them, but its absolutely pitiful how many people are happy to accept mediocrity.</quote>Again, being impressed or not has nothing to do with if the Dems do try to build and progress or not. "They could do more" is a separate thought and argument all together...but not what you said. And most do want them to do more. But again, see the above point on the biggest issue to that.PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Bidens plan is not enough to prevent what climate scientists warned about years ago.</quote>Biden's plan would never be enough, but climate change is a global problem, not a US one. Unless the whole world cooperates, even the actions by the biggest polluters won't do much to move the needle.And again, it's not like Dems were even in control decades ago when this would have mattered more, or had a continual streak of power to make sure it's maintained. You're functioning in a fantasy world where Dems totally had the magic power to do all of this, and it was just their lack of want that prevented to do so. It's literally the opposite. You can want a party you vote for to do better or do more without resorting to such ridiculous statements.Take the L. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningThief 05/22/24 1:13:13 PM #98:	PraetorXyn posted... The sad thing is this is a completely true statement, and yet the guy you replied to is also right. Biden has done more than any president in my lifetime, and yet hes done so little in the grand scheme of things that its a massive indictment of past presidents if this little impresses people. Its pathetic how low the bar has been set. That is the exemplar of how fucked up and broken our political system is. He's not also right. The only people running around claiming he's right either don't understand: How politics works How the United States Government passes a law. Many don't even understand the difference between majority vs plurality. Or what party is specifically obstructing progress. Or that the President isn't a king who can do whatever he wants if checked by Congress or the Courts. Are Republicans pushing Republican propaganda to prey on the former 2. This idea that he's done so little is literally a Republican talking point, given under this administration more Progressive policies have passed than most of the past presidents in our lifetime. Yet you are trying to push a narrative to have it both ways that little was done, but at the same time a lot was done. <cite>LightningThief posted [p:980507722] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>The sad thing is this is a completely true statement, and yet the guy you replied to is also right. Biden has done more than any president in my lifetime, and yet hes done so little in the grand scheme of things that its a massive indictment of past presidents if this little impresses people. Its pathetic how low the bar has been set. That is the exemplar of how fucked up and broken our political system is.</quote>He's not also right.The only people running around claiming he's right either don't understand:How politics worksHow the United States Government passes a law. Many don't even understand the difference between majority vs plurality. Or what party is specifically obstructing progress. Or that the President isn't a king who can do whatever he wants if checked by Congress or the Courts.Are Republicans pushing Republican propaganda to prey on the former 2.This idea that he's done so little is literally a Republican talking point, given under this administration more Progressive policies have passed than most of the past presidents in our lifetime. Yet you are trying to push a narrative to have it both ways that little was done, but at the same time a lot was done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 05/22/24 1:15:02 PM #99:	CyborgSage00x0 posted... Only if you pretend to not understand the US government and political system, which is, by design, slow. Having a Dem President and even a Dem Congress doesn't mean a magic wand is waved and they get what they want, mostly because of this tiny little thing you may have heard of called Republicans. Even big leaps forward like Obamacare have been slowly chipped away at and diminished by Republicans. I understand it perfectly. I just have no faith whatsoever that theyd do much more if they had 80 Senate votes and full control of the House, because Ive watched what they actually tried to do and listened to what they said they wanted to do for decades. If they were saying shit like Wed love to do single payer but we cant, you might have some sort of point. But they wouldnt do it if they could, because most of them dont want it. It's kind of hard to show progress when you have an opposition party in a political system designed to give them equal say, and a renegade Supreme Court. Don't blame it for a lack of effort unless you want to seem naive and ignorant. Its both. Even if they had the best intentions in the world they couldnt do much. I just dont think they would do much if they could. Again, being impressed or not has nothing to do with if the Dems do try to build and progress or not. "They could do more" is a separate thought and argument all together...but not what you said. And most do want them to do more. But again, see the above point on the biggest issue to that. See above. Biden's plan would never be enough, but climate change is a global problem, not a US one. Unless the whole world cooperates, even the actions by the biggest polluters won't do much to move the needle. None of that changes that us being carbon neutral a few decades too late is too late to prevent the eventual catastrophe. And again, it's not like Dems were even in control decades ago when this would have mattered more, or had a continual streak of power to make sure it's maintained. You're functioning in a fantasy world where Dems totally had the magic power to do all of this, and it was just their lack of want that prevented to do so. It's literally the opposite. You can want a party you vote for to do better or do more without resorting to such ridiculous statements. These people buddy up with Mitch McConnell my dude. They are not that much further along on the economic spectrum than he is, despite what you believe. Take the L. There isnt one, so fuck off. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:980507748] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>CyborgSage00x0 posted... </cite><quote>Only if you pretend to not understand the US government and political system, which is, by design, slow. Having a Dem President and even a Dem Congress doesn't mean a magic wand is waved and they get what they want, mostly because of this tiny little thing you may have heard of called Republicans. Even big leaps forward like Obamacare have been slowly chipped away at and diminished by Republicans.</quote>I understand it perfectly. I just have no faith whatsoever that theyd do much more if they had 80 Senate votes and full control of the House, because Ive watched what they actually tried to do and listened to what they said they wanted to do for decades. If they were saying shit like Wed love to do single payer but we cant, you might have some sort of point. But they wouldnt do it if they could, because most of them dont want it.<quote>It's kind of hard to show progress when you have an opposition party in a political system designed to give them equal say, and a renegade Supreme Court. Don't blame it for a lack of effort unless you want to seem naive and ignorant.</quote>Its both. Even if they had the best intentions in the world they couldnt do much. I just dont think they would do much if they could.<quote>Again, being impressed or not has nothing to do with if the Dems do try to build and progress or not. "They could do more" is a separate thought and argument all together...but not what you said. And most do want them to do more. But again, see the above point on the biggest issue to that.</quote>See above.<quote>Biden's plan would never be enough, but climate change is a global problem, not a US one. Unless the whole world cooperates, even the actions by the biggest polluters won't do much to move the needle.</quote>None of that changes that us being carbon neutral a few decades too late is too late to prevent the eventual catastrophe.<quote>And again, it's not like Dems were even in control decades ago when this would have mattered more, or had a continual streak of power to make sure it's maintained. You're functioning in a fantasy world where Dems totally had the magic power to do all of this, and it was just their lack of want that prevented to do so. It's literally the opposite. You can want a party you vote for to do better or do more without resorting to such ridiculous statements.</quote>These people buddy up with Mitch McConnell my dude. They are not that much further along on the economic spectrum than he is, despite what you believe.<quote>Take the L.</quote>There isnt one, so fuck off. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 05/22/24 1:17:11 PM #100:	LightningThief posted... He's not also right. The only people running around claiming he's right either don't understand: * How politics works * How the United States Government passes a law. * Are Republicans pushing Republican propaganda to prey on the former 2. This idea that he's done so little is literally a Republican talking point, given under this administration more Progressive policies have passed than most of the past presidents in our lifetime. Yet you are trying to push a narrative to have it both ways that little was done, but at the same time a lot was done. He is, and the reasons you listed are why the bar is so low. Look at the progressive policies that were passed decades ago in the rest of the world and try to say hes done a lot with any degree of seriousness. The barriers between him and his ability to do it doesnt change the reality that ,out of it he doesnt want to do anyway. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:980507776] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>LightningThief posted... </cite><quote>He's not also right.The only people running around claiming he's right either don't understand:* How politics works* How the United States Government passes a law.* Are Republicans pushing Republican propaganda to prey on the former 2.This idea that he's done so little is literally a Republican talking point, given under this administration more Progressive policies have passed than most of the past presidents in our lifetime. Yet you are trying to push a narrative to have it both ways that little was done, but at the same time a lot was done.</quote>He is, and the reasons you listed are why the bar is so low. Look at the progressive policies that were passed decades ago in the rest of the world and try to say hes done a lot with any degree of seriousness. The barriers between him and his ability to do it doesnt change the reality that ,out of it he doesnt want to do anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyborgSage00x0 05/22/24 1:18:02 PM #101:	PraetorXyn posted... These people buddy up with Mitch McConnell my dude. They are not that much further along on the economic spectrum than he is, despite what you believe. Well, you gave up the game, so no need to respond further. --- PotD's resident Film Expert. <cite>CyborgSage00x0 posted [p:980507791] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>These people buddy up with Mitch McConnell my dude. They are not that much further along on the economic spectrum than he is, despite what you believe.</quote>Well, you gave up the game, so no need to respond further. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningThief 05/22/24 1:20:42 PM #102:	PraetorXyn posted... He is, and the reasons you listed are why the bar is so low. Look at the progressive policies that were passed decades ago in the rest of the world and try to say hes done a lot with any degree of seriousness. The barriers between him and his ability to do it doesnt change the reality that ,out of it he doesnt want to do anyway. He isn't, but I understand your type is desperate to find a way to claim nothing was done or always "not enough so here's why they mind as well ne the same." The only question here for me is, is this just proud Republican messaging per usual, or do you genuinely not understand how laws are passed in the United States. I don't follow your posting history enough to know. Because any response questioning why a law isnt passed fast enough, or not to the level you claim you want it to be.... is a response that definitely shows it's one or the other. <cite>LightningThief posted [p:980507812] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>He is, and the reasons you listed are why the bar is so low. Look at the progressive policies that were passed decades ago in the rest of the world and try to say hes done a lot with any degree of seriousness. The barriers between him and his ability to do it doesnt change the reality that ,out of it he doesnt want to do anyway.</quote>He isn't, but I understand your type is desperate to find a way to claim nothing was done or always "not enough so here's why they mind as well ne the same."The only question here for me is, is this just proud Republican messaging per usual, or do you genuinely not understand how laws are passed in the United States. I don't follow your posting history enough to know.Because any response questioning why a law isnt passed fast enough, or not to the level you claim you want it to be.... is a response that definitely shows it's one or the other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antiyonder 05/22/24 1:43:53 PM #103:	PraetorXyn posted... He is, and the reasons you listed are why the bar is so low. Look at the progressive policies that were passed decades ago in the rest of the world and try to say hes done a lot with any degree of seriousness. The barriers between him and his ability to do it doesnt change the reality that ,out of it he doesnt want to do anyway. Perhaps, but would you at least agree that it can be just as problematic to expect any candidate now or later to be perfect? --- Amalgam Universe resident Born in 82. <cite>Antiyonder posted [p:980508118] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>He is, and the reasons you listed are why the bar is so low. Look at the progressive policies that were passed decades ago in the rest of the world and try to say hes done a lot with any degree of seriousness. The barriers between him and his ability to do it doesnt change the reality that ,out of it he doesnt want to do anyway.</quote>Perhaps, but would you at least agree that it can be just as problematic to expect any candidate now or later to be perfect? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PraetorXyn 05/22/24 3:51:12 PM #104:	LightningThief posted... He isn't, but I understand your type is desperate to find a way to claim nothing was done or always "not enough so here's why they mind as well ne the same." The only question here for me is, is this just proud Republican messaging per usual, or do you genuinely not understand how laws are passed in the United States. I don't follow your posting history enough to know. Because any response questioning why a law isnt passed fast enough, or not to the level you claim you want it to be.... is a response that definitely shows it's one or the other. Biden literally couldnt do single payer healthcare if he wanted to because he doesnt have 60 Senate votes. If Biden had a magic wand that let him be a benevolent dictator with absolute power, he wouldnt pass single payer healthcare, because he doesnt support it as a policy and doesnt want it implemented. Neither of these statements is incorrect, and thats my entire point. Antiyonder posted... Perhaps, but would you at least agree that it can be just as problematic to expect any candidate now or later to be perfect? Yes, but I dont expect anyone to be perfect. Bernie wasnt perfect. But I do want candidates to be like a 5 instead of a 2. But thats basically where we are as a country. In terms of policy, Republicans are -11, Democrats are about a 2, Obama when he ran in 2008 was like a 3 or 4, Bernie was maybe a 6. None of them even approaches perfect. I just feel like we as a society deserve a lot better than we get. --- https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561198052113750 <cite>PraetorXyn posted [p:980510029] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>LightningThief posted... </cite><quote>He isn't, but I understand your type is desperate to find a way to claim nothing was done or always "not enough so here's why they mind as well ne the same."The only question here for me is, is this just proud Republican messaging per usual, or do you genuinely not understand how laws are passed in the United States. I don't follow your posting history enough to know.Because any response questioning why a law isnt passed fast enough, or not to the level you claim you want it to be.... is a response that definitely shows it's one or the other.</quote>Biden literally couldnt do single payer healthcare if he wanted to because he doesnt have 60 Senate votes.If Biden had a magic wand that let him be a benevolent dictator with absolute power, he wouldnt pass single payer healthcare, because he doesnt support it as a policy and doesnt want it implemented.Neither of these statements is incorrect, and thats my entire point.Antiyonder posted... </cite><quote>Perhaps, but would you at least agree that it can be just as problematic to expect any candidate now or later to be perfect?</quote>Yes, but I dont expect anyone to be perfect. Bernie wasnt perfect. But I do want candidates to be like a 5 instead of a 2.But thats basically where we are as a country. In terms of policy, Republicans are -11, Democrats are about a 2, Obama when he ran in 2008 was like a 3 or 4, Bernie was maybe a 6. None of them even approaches perfect. I just feel like we as a society deserve a lot better than we get. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningThief 05/22/24 4:32:12 PM #105:	PraetorXyn posted... Biden literally couldnt do single payer healthcare if he wanted to because he doesnt have 60 Senate votes. If Biden had a magic wand that let him be a benevolent dictator with absolute power, he wouldnt pass single payer healthcare, because he doesnt support it as a policy and doesnt want it implemented. Neither of these statements is incorrect, and thats my entire point. The first statement is correct. The second statement is you making a baseless claim, which doesn't make it correct. Your entire point is to do what I said last post (102.) <cite>LightningThief posted [p:980510630] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>PraetorXyn posted... </cite><quote>Biden literally couldnt do single payer healthcare if he wanted to because he doesnt have 60 Senate votes.If Biden had a magic wand that let him be a benevolent dictator with absolute power, he wouldnt pass single payer healthcare, because he doesnt support it as a policy and doesnt want it implemented.Neither of these statements is incorrect, and thats my entire point.</quote>The first statement is correct.The second statement is you making a baseless claim, which doesn't make it correct. Your entire point is to do what I said last post (102.)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IceCreamOnStero 05/22/24 4:43:51 PM #106:	Because he's earnt the vote of the people he wants to vote for him. He does exactly what rightwingers with deplorable views want. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 <cite>IceCreamOnStero posted [p:980510804] in "Trump has... [t:80773656]...</cite> <quote>Because he's earnt the vote of the people he wants to vote for him. He does exactly what rightwingers with deplorable views want. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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