Current Events > I'm rewatching the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies. The villains (spoilers)

(+) Yeah! (+)

In the first two movies were great! NWH doesnt count because it has all the best Spidey movie villains.
As a big Spider-Man fan when I was a kid, I never really felt that Vulture and Mysterio were serious villains. The casting totally changed my mind. Michael Keaton and Jake Gyllenhaal are fantastic in their respective roles.
If Sony wants to merge Venom (like was teased in the post credits of LtbC) they better step their game up.
Thoughts?
https://youtu.be/x0DAOYjqVx8?si=5MJpeEvjMu1sYaiA
https://youtu.be/QwZTa07G06g?si=D2uEQqAqXXA4B899

I still haven't rewatched Venom 2

Cant imagine I'll change my mind about that one but who knows

What's ltbc?

Vulture was an anti hero not a villain.

Just trying to feed his family and Tony Stark uses his connections to shut him down.

Really he just did the same thing Tony did and built a suit in his garage.

absolutebuffoon posted...

What's ltbc?

Let there be Carnage

divot1338 posted...

Really he just did the same thing Tony did and built a suit in his garage.

Built a suit in his garage to commit crimes

Hell judging by the fact that Toomes' reaction to getting alien technology was to use it to commit crimes basically tells you Tony was right in wanting to control which hands it fell into.

Dudebusters posted...

Built a suit in his garage to commit crimes

Hell judging by the fact that Toomes' reaction to getting alien technology was to use it to commit crimes basically tells you Tony was right in wanting to control which hands it fell into.

Thats a pretty good argument, coming from the guy selling the sticks.

divot1338 posted...

Thats a pretty good argument, coming from the guy selling the sticks.

You're quoting a woman who gave up her morals immediately to have sex with Tony Stark fyi

The villains really do carry their weight in every Holland spider movie. Gyllenhaals Mysterio is what made the second movie for me. Absolutely incredible performance.

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

The villains really do carry their weight in every Holland spider movie. Gyllenhaals Mysterio is what made the second movie for me. Absolutely incredible performance.

Thats the one Im rewatching now. My mans come a long way from Donnie Darko. Between his acting and the call back to the Iron Man movies (some may call it fanfare) I thought was a fantastic way to tie it all together.

Dudebusters posted...

You're quoting a woman who gave up her morals immediately to have sex with Tony Stark fyi

Does that negate the point?

GATTJT posted...

Does that negate the point?

It does when it's coming from that character, since she showed she didn't actually care

And that's why the argument about Toomes being an anti-hero falls short. He chose to react to the situation by doing bad things, just like Christine chose to react by compromising her own morals because she wanted to fuck Tony Stark. When you choose those kinds of actions, you get judged accordingly. Toomes chose to be a villain.

Dudebusters posted...

You're quoting a woman who gave up her morals immediately to have sex with Tony Stark fyi

The point is that Toomes was literally cleaning up New York after the Avengers trashed it.

And when Tony unilaterally decided alien tech couldnt be in anyones hands but his he put all of them out of work.

Tony Stark created the Vulture.

divot1338 posted...

The point is that Toomes was literally cleaning up New York after the Avengers trashed it.

And when Tony unilaterally decided alien tech couldnt be in anyones hands but his he put all of them out of work.

Tony Stark created the Vulture.

Tony Stark "created" the Vulture only if you believe that it's Tony Stark's fault that, once met with adversity, Toomes chose to be a villain. And if you believe that, it undermines his entire character arc, since by the end he realizes just how wrong he actually was.

Tony Stark quite literally created Ultron, but Vulture created Vulture.

Kurt_Russel posted...

Michael Keaton and Jake Gyllenhaal are fantastic in their respective roles.

fuck yeah, especially keaton, dude killed it. every iteration of vulture after this should be based on it, he turned a forgettable character into something menacing, it's great

Dudebusters posted...

And that's why the argument about Toomes being an anti-hero falls short. He chose to react to the situation by doing bad things

It's like people arguing Killmonger was right.

No, he explicitly wanted to use Wakandan technology to violently colonize other countries. Just because European countries did that to Africa doesn't mean it was right.

Plot twist the green goblin isn't real. Don't tell Peter

Also Spiderman was originally supposed to get doc ock's arms, wings, etc, and be more of an inventor

So it's an ode to that

Kurt_Russel posted...

I never really felt that Vulture and Mysterio were serious villains.

Ask Old Man Logan how serious Mysterio is

:3

divot1338 posted...

Vulture was an anti hero not a villain.

Telling a 15 year old kid he would kill him + everyone he loves for "getting in his way" makes him a villain.

What has 8 legs at night?

;-D

Mr. Parker

~fun~

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Ask Old Man Logan how serious Mysterio is

I had to look it up, as I dont know a ton about the Old Man Logan series. Jesus thats heavy.