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CADE_FOSTER 07/04/24 6:30:22 AM #51: |
Yes him allowing the vote at all was it's downfall but Boris and farage spouting constant lies didn't help ... Copied to Clipboard!
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IceCreamOnStero 07/04/24 6:42:41 AM #52: |
EPR-radar posted...
Looking in on this from the US, it is unimaginable that a conservative party like the Tories may actually see real adverse results in elections from being a shit pit. 1 election where Labour will likely bend the knee on several issues (transphobia the main one) is hardly defeating conservatism. Obama 2008 didn't "defeat" the GOP and neither will this, at least by itself. --- Dokkan ID: 2365415872 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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djsporty92 07/04/24 6:44:58 AM #53: |
Glob posted... I mean it hasnt. Nobody actually means that theyre all the same. They mean that theyre not as different as theyd like them to be. I'd also like them to be more openly left wing, but I recognise that FPTP and the rotten Tory media makes that extremely difficult whilst also remaining electable to the centre ground and not scaring the right into voting, that otherwise may have been thinking of staying at home. It is no doubt a leap of faith I'm taking, but I do sincerely believe that the under promise and over deliver approach is the ultimate aim. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 07/04/24 6:52:41 AM #54: |
DKBananaSlamma posted...
Why are UKers voting on an American federal holiday? Have they no respect!?We're claiming it as our own Independence Day from the Tories. --- Let's make biscuits! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 07/04/24 6:59:05 AM #55: |
IceCreamOnStero posted...
1 election where Labour will likely bend the knee on several issues (transphobia the main one) is hardly defeating conservatism.Transphobia cuts across party lines in the UK. There are transphobic left wingers, while the Tories actually have a trans MP (who is a shitbag for reasons not related to them being trans). --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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reincarnator07 07/04/24 7:20:04 AM #56: |
Justin2Krelian posted...
I still don't understand how that's possible, though I've seen other predictions say similar things. They're polling close to Conservatives and ahead of the Liberal Dems, how could they only get 1 seat? It kinda made sense in 2015, since they were still way behind the top 2.Ultimately they're competing against the Tories. The majority of votes for them would be Tory votes otherwise, splitting the conservative vote. On top of that, they're so far right by UK standards that I'm doubtful they will actually win many races. The UK system is not particularly representative when it comes to small parties. As a reminder, UKIP got 12.6% of the vote in 2015, but got 0.15% of the seats. --- Fan of metal? Don't mind covers? Check out my youtube and give me some feedback http://www.youtube.com/sircaballero ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TomClark 07/04/24 7:52:04 AM #57: |
reincarnator07 posted...
Ultimately they're competing against the Tories. The majority of votes for them would be Tory votes otherwise, splitting the conservative vote. On top of that, they're so far right by UK standards that I'm doubtful they will actually win many races. The UK system is not particularly representative when it comes to small parties. As a reminder, UKIP got 12.6% of the vote in 2015, but got 0.15% of the seats. This. Nobody who was going to vote Labour, or Green, or Lib Dem is going to change their vote to Reform. They're just too ideologically opposed. Only people who were going to vote Tory might change their vote to Reform. In seats that Labour were projected to win anyway, then the Reform party aren't going to suddenly swoop in and win. But in seats that were maybe 50% Tory, 30% Labour, and 20% "The Rest", then Reform getting some traction and taking more than a third of the Tory votes would actually give Labour the seat rather than Reform. The only chance that Reform have of getting any seats at all is if more people in areas that had a very large Tory majority switch to Reform than stick with the Tories. The important thing to remember about about the General Election is that it's kinda misnamed - it's not one election, it's 650 elections that are happening at the same time. The only people who are voting for Sunak or Starmer or Farage are the people who live in their particular constituencies - nobody is voting for which party they want to be in charge of the country, or who they want the Prime Minister to be, they're only voting for who they want their local MP to be, and the party that ends up with the most MPs gets to form the government. So Reform getting a lot of traction oddly doesn't actually help them much unless it's a specifically large enough amount of traction in a very specific area. They could come a close second in every single constituency in the country, and even technically could get the second highest percentage of votes in the entire country, and end up with no seats in Parliament at all. Reform doing well will definitely mean less seats for the Tories, but that doesn't equate to more seats for Reform, it equates to more seats for Labour and/or the Lib Dems. Honestly, I think the projections being touted that they may get as many as three seats are unrealistic. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if they don't get any. And all of this doesn't even take into account the fact that they're already imploding in the wake of the C4 video, with two of their candidates leaving the party before the elections even happen because they've realised that the party is more racist than advertised, meaning that if those two candidates on the Ballot for Reform did win then they would get the seat as an Independent rather than Reform getting the seat. --- http://i.imgur.com/6eF0W.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TomClark 07/04/24 7:53:59 AM #58: |
Anyway, back to the election news that matters:
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MathMurderer 07/04/24 7:56:03 AM #59: |
Humble_Novice posted...
Oh? Which user?Lisanne. I think she was active on CE around 2004 or so. --- Erfurt Indigos (4-0) - Last: W 16-0 vs. Dresden Monarchs II - Next: 08/03 vs. Wernigerode Mountain Tigers Carolina Panthers - 2024 NFC South ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 07/04/24 7:56:34 AM #60: |
Direct quote from my transgender friend
Im gonna vote Reform. I think we need some fresh blood to deal with this country and as much as Reform have terrible outlooks on social things, we need to recover the countrys financial status before we can focus on the social things. As a minority I feel like Im betraying myself in some sense but also I have to think of what money I want to make and how i want to be a homeowner myself one day and I want to get more for the money I earn, and their policies are the only ones that seem to give me hope where that is concerned. But I also dont agree with many things they have done, just as I dont agree with Labours anti semitism and I dont agree with Conservatives anti LGBTQ rhetoric. They all have their awful sides to them I guess Lee Anderson and Nigel Farrage are fresh blood Reform claims transgenders don't exist and should be banned but conservatives are too anti LGBT and Labour is too anti semitic "I'm broke and persecuted but one day if I'm rich I'd want to stop anyone else from being rich too!" Reform don't even have good financial policies --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 07/04/24 8:05:00 AM #61: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Direct quote from my transgender friendThe idea that Reform are 'fresh blood', when they've been hanging around the fringe right for decades (Referendum Party, UKIP, BNP, etc), is as absurd as their economic policies. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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djsporty92 07/04/24 8:08:05 AM #62: |
Proper leopards eating faces mentality. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Binkster 07/04/24 8:41:28 AM #63: |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Direct quote from my transgender friend If I hadnt seen your prior posts, I would think you were trolling with some kind of copypasta. Your friend certainly has some interesting insights. --- So far, 2021 has been 2020.1. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 07/04/24 8:46:12 AM #64: |
djsporty92 posted...
Proper leopards eating faces mentality.This person seems aware that their face will be eaten. They just want to enjoy lower taxes while it is being chewed. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Starks 07/04/24 8:47:56 AM #65: |
Looking forward to Tories and Ukippers losing power for a decade.
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UnfairRepresent 07/04/24 8:48:21 AM #66: |
ai123 posted...
This person seems aware that their face will be eaten.Low taxes on a home and wealth they don't even have https://youtu.be/K_LvRPX0rGY?si=1OY08cteJvxgAo-A --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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djsporty92 07/04/24 8:52:58 AM #67: |
UnfairRepresent posted... Low taxes on a home and wealth they don't even have "Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires" -John Steinbeck ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 07/04/24 8:54:16 AM #68: |
djsporty92 posted...
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires" -John SteinbeckFor real --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Thenewsubwaiguy 07/04/24 9:06:31 AM #69: |
Voted for Labour.
I hope that they can govern better than the Tories that much I can say, but then again, that is a given. --- I've got interesting things to say, but no one needs to hear them either. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Justin2Krelian 07/04/24 9:16:24 AM #70: |
ai123 posted...
The UK is divided into geographical constituencies which each elect one MP. You need enough support within a constituency to win the seat. Sure, but if theyre polling roughly the same as Conservatives, why would they only get 1 district while Conservatives get 70? I mean there must be some more right-leaning districts that would go with Reform instead. Same with Liberal Dems expecting to get around 50. I get they may be a more distinct position, and may have more yellow districts loyal to them, but theyre actually behind Reform. EDIT: This goes for the other responses too. I get the idea that this helps Labor more than anyone, but if 71 districts go for a right-of-center party, and theyre polling roughly the same, why would the ratio be 70 to 1? Are they all just going to be the almost the exact same margin of votes? --- -J2K Currently Streaming: Avatar TLA, Homeland, Star Trek: Discovery, Fallout, X-Men 97 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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djsporty92 07/04/24 9:40:39 AM #71: |
Justin2Krelian posted... Sure, but if theyre polling roughly the same as Conservatives, why would they only get 1 district while Conservatives get 70? I mean there must be some more right-leaning districts that would go with Reform instead. That is the inherent unfairness of FPTP for you. It doesn't matter how many votes you get nationwide, as was said earlier, it's where they are concentrated that matters. Reform aren't polling as the likely winners in any individual constituencys other than Clacton where Farage is standing. There are a few others that they may take that are within the margin of error for the polling, so there are right leaning constituency where the vote is largely between the Conservatives and Reform. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TomClark 07/04/24 9:52:40 AM #72: |
Justin2Krelian posted...
Sure, but if theyre polling roughly the same as Conservatives, why would they only get 1 district while Conservatives get 70? I mean there must be some more right-leaning districts that would go with Reform instead. Because polling roughly the same isn't good enough for them to win a seat - if they're getting about the same number of votes as the Tories (which in itself is unlikely), then it's likely that neither would win. They need to be polling significantly higher than the Tories (as in, a large majority of the right abandon the Tories in favour of Reform) to get a seat. "Polling roughly the same as the Tories" means that each right wing parties only gets half the votes that the right did at the previous election. They probably will outperform the Tories in some traditionally right wing constituencies, but it's unlikely that they would outperform them enough to also outperform the opposition. --- http://i.imgur.com/6eF0W.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Humble_Novice 07/04/24 11:37:36 AM #73: |
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ai123 07/04/24 12:26:01 PM #74: |
It's not just dogs.
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TomClark 07/04/24 12:34:36 PM #75: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/9e431d9c.jpg
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Kradek 07/04/24 12:38:19 PM #76: |
Glob posted...
Had to vote by post. I was in two minds about doing it because part of me feels like I shouldnt be voting anymore. It's interesting to see a follow-up to your previous thread on the subject. I'm glad you decided to help vote out the Tories. TomClark posted... Polls are open which can only mean one thing. That's cool that this sounds like it's apparently a regular thing. It's something Republicans here would outlaw if it was a custom here lol. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Humble_Novice 07/04/24 12:45:37 PM #77: |
Kradek posted... That's cool that this sounds like it's apparently a regular thing. It's something Republicans here would outlaw if it was a custom here lol.I mean, one particular Republican is a confirmed dog killer. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 07/04/24 12:55:33 PM #78: |
Kradek posted...
That's cool that this sounds like it's apparently a regular thing. It's something Republicans here would outlaw if it was a custom here lol. Even as we speak, evil Democrats with trucks full of adorable labs are poised to swoop upon every polling station! --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trelve 07/04/24 1:06:29 PM #79: |
Kradek posted... That's cool that this sounds like it's apparently a regular thing. It's something Republicans here would outlaw if it was a custom here lol.Look up #dogsatpollingstations on Twitter if you want to brighten up your day. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TomClark 07/04/24 1:06:55 PM #80: |
Kradek posted...
That's cool that this sounds like it's apparently a regular thing. It's something Republicans here would outlaw if it was a custom here lol. It's definitely a tradition, haha. There is a legit reasoning behind it, though - basically, while the polls are open, for impartiality reasons reporting on actual campaigning, exit polls etc. is prohibited, so the reporters are left with what is obviously the biggest news story of the day, and a period from 7am - 10pm where there's very little that they're actually allowed to say about it. Hence doggo pics. --- http://i.imgur.com/6eF0W.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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reincarnator07 07/04/24 1:19:31 PM #81: |
Justin2Krelian posted...
Sure, but if theyre polling roughly the same as Conservatives, why would they only get 1 district while Conservatives get 70? I mean there must be some more right-leaning districts that would go with Reform instead.Doing better than the Tories isn't enough, they need to actually get a plurality of votes in a constituency. To use my old constituency (which no longer exists) as a case study, there's basically no path to victory for them despite it being a marginal constituency (AKA swing state). If Labour is having a good year, they're beat by default. If they aren't, they would need to pull about 35/40% of the vote, which would have to mostly come from Tories just due to how far right they are. At their absolute best, UKIP (a prior party filling the same niche with the same people) did 10% here in 2015, a best case scenario. In that year, they needed to pull a further 24% of the vote. Even here on TERF little England, that's one hell of a tall order. If we're being honest, they should have more MPs if the system was remotely proportional. If they and the other minor parties wanna campaign on PR next time, that would be fantastic. Until that system is changed, the most a far left/right party can do is spoil the election for the major party that most aligns with the far party. --- Fan of metal? Don't mind covers? Check out my youtube and give me some feedback http://www.youtube.com/sircaballero ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Humble_Novice 07/04/24 1:22:17 PM #82: |
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Neoconkers 07/04/24 1:25:42 PM #83: |
happy "tories get blown the fuck out" day to all those who celebrate. starmer's a principleless snake who'd stab his own mother if it had the chance to move one floating voter but watching the remaining blue fucks too dumb to save themselves the embarrassment by resigning lost their seats is going to be joy enough for me. I've got my drinks and bingo card prepped for tonight. work tomorrow's going to suck without any sleep but it'll be so worth it
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Lobinde 07/04/24 1:27:25 PM #84: |
I voted earlier. Looking forward to seeing the tories get BTFO'd although sadly I expect they'll still keep >100 seats because of rural boomer constituencies
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TomClark 07/04/24 2:37:51 PM #85: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/cf24a0d4.jpg
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Humble_Novice 07/04/24 3:03:26 PM #86: |
TomClark posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/cf24a0d4.jpgThank you very much for doing your part. Every little bit helps to render the Tories extinct. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RSmit 07/04/24 3:16:07 PM #87: |
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cn09xn9je7lt
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ai123 07/04/24 3:29:13 PM #88: |
From the BBC feed, an American gives his perspective on voting in the UK:
All eyes are on the UK election today - but in a few months time, all that attention will be focused on the US as it chooses its new president. And Professor Jason Dittmer is going to get a say in both, having moved from the US state of Georgia to the UK in 2007. Now a British citizen, he has been describing the very different experiences of voting on either side of the pond. Voting takes longer in the US, Jason explains, because American elections are usually on a regular schedule, they often cover multiple things. In my last American jurisdiction we even elected the coroner. Some people even bring cheat sheets to remember how to vote in each race or question." So the UK system left him "amazed". Walk in, walk out, the whole thing takes two minutes at most." And while some votes are completed using the pencil and paper system used in the UK, other areas might use touch screens, or even by colouring in bubbles on a sheet of paper. But both countries now require some form of photo identification to let you cast your ballot - particularly controversial in the US, says Jason, as citizens have a constitutional right to vote. Jason will not be heading home to vote come November as he'll be voting by post - giving him time to think about all those down-ballot positions. "Seventeen years later, I still get to help decide who the coroner will be in Statesboro, Georgia, he laughs. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kradek 07/04/24 3:46:27 PM #89: |
ai123 posted...
Even as we speak, evil Democrats with trucks full of adorable labs are poised to swoop upon every polling station! They would legit accuse it of being a Democratic ploy to increase voter turnout. Trelve posted... Look up #dogsatpollingstations on Twitter if you want to brighten up your day. Will do! TomClark posted... It's definitely a tradition, haha. There is a legit reasoning behind it, though - basically, while the polls are open, for impartiality reasons reporting on actual campaigning, exit polls etc. is prohibited, so the reporters are left with what is obviously the biggest news story of the day, and a period from 7am - 10pm where there's very little that they're actually allowed to say about it. That's pretty interesting and makes sense. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trelve 07/04/24 3:57:51 PM #90: |
Just over an hour to go until the polls close - will you be pulling an all-nighter or just tuning into the exit poll or even just finding out in the morning and going straight to bed? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 07/04/24 3:59:08 PM #91: |
Trelve posted...
Just over an hour to go until the polls close - will you be pulling an all-nighter or just tuning into the exit poll or even just finding out in the morning and going straight to bed?Will listen to the coverage on Radio 4 until I fall asleep. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RSmit 07/04/24 4:19:10 PM #92: |
I'll follow the BBC coverage in the background until I go to bed and then watch their coverage tomorrow when there will be more concrete news.
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TomClark 07/04/24 4:22:12 PM #93: |
The exit polls are usually pretty damn close, so I'll stick the news on for an hour or two when the polls close and head to bed around midnight-ish.
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Trelve 07/04/24 5:02:27 PM #94: |
Labour set to be the largest party with 410. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RSmit 07/04/24 5:17:00 PM #95: |
Trelve posted...
Labour set to be the largest party with 410. Reform outscoring the SNP surprised me, not so much the SNP loss but the Reform wins. I know they're just exit polls but still. --- ''You are, in fact, the man.'' - Jifted Kid Owner of negative bolts in Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 07/04/24 5:26:24 PM #96: |
TomClark posted...
The exit polls are usually pretty damn close, so I'll stick the news on for an hour or two when the polls close and head to bed around midnight-ish.Yeah exit polls are usually pretty representative I'd be stunned if the result isn't a dominant labour win --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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havean776 07/04/24 5:28:42 PM #97: |
Da fuck is UKIP still doing around? They tricked people into leaving the EU and now we have the results of that. Why would anyone support them after that?
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_Raich_ 07/04/24 5:41:08 PM #98: |
whats the difference between Labour and Lib Dem? not really familiar with UK politics, thought it was just Tories and Labour
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Vyrulisse 07/04/24 5:42:54 PM #99: |
What is the reason for the "dogs at the polling station" meme?
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RSmit 07/04/24 5:54:48 PM #100: |
Vyrulisse posted...
What is the reason for the "dogs at the polling station" meme? TomClark posted... It's definitely a tradition, haha. There is a legit reasoning behind it, though - basically, while the polls are open, for impartiality reasons reporting on actual campaigning, exit polls etc. is prohibited, so the reporters are left with what is obviously the biggest news story of the day, and a period from 7am - 10pm where there's very little that they're actually allowed to say about it. --- ''You are, in fact, the man.'' - Jifted Kid Owner of negative bolts in Ratchet and Clank: Going Commando. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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