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This topic is for discussions pertaining to the UK general election that's about to take place tomorrow. What do you suppose will happen? Will the Labour Party reign supreme? Or will the Tories make an unexpected comeback?

Prediction:

Labour landslide, bigger than 1997. Conservatives will get around 70 seats, narrowly ahead of the Lib Dems (as much I would like them to be the opposition). Labour biggest party in Scotland too.

Reform UK will win one seat and Nigel Farage will finally get to enter parliament.

I already sent my postal vote in and I voted Labour. I think that Keir Starmer will be a good prime minister - yes, yes not the most exciting politician but if you want Bojo the Clown, go to the circus. We need a bit of professionalism and the adults back in the room after the past 14 years.

Trelve posted...

Prediction:

Labour landslide, bigger than 1997. Conservatives will get around 70 seats, narrowly ahead of the Lib Dems (as much I would like them to be the opposition). Labour biggest party in Scotland too.

Reform UK will win one seat and Nigel Farage will finally get to enter parliament.

I already sent my postal vote in and I voted Labour. I think that Keir Starmer will be a good prime minister - yes, yes not the most exciting politician but if you want Bojo the Clown, go to the circus. We need a bit of professionalism and the adults back in the room after the past 14 years.

I'm still confused as to why some leftists are not happy about Labour winning. Is it simply because of Starmer being such a flawed candidate?

Humble_Novice posted...

I'm still confused as to why some leftists are not happy about Labour winning. Is it simply because of Starmer being such a flawed candidate?

Basically.

Refusal to overturn the fascist anti protest lawed the Tories brought in.
Transphobia and saying he wants to change the equality act to bar trans woman from entering female bathrooms (trans men are ignored as always and fine I guess?)
Support for Israel

All big issues many have with him.

Humble_Novice posted...

I'm still confused as to why some leftists are not happy about Labour winning. Is it simply because of Starmer being such a flawed candidate?

Think of Starmer as being like Joe Biden. The hard left of the party are unhappy because Bernie Sanders (Jeremy Corbyn) isn't leader any more.

The number one overriding priority is getting rid of the Tories. 15 years of austerity, malice, racism, and incompetence.

Then we can worry about what happens next.

(Already voted by post).

Conservatives losing bad will be great, but I hope it doesnt translate to Reform picking up more than a couple seats.

If you're curious about the achievements the Conservatives have made over the past 14 years, take a look at this video by Jonathan Pie. He gets a bit sweary, FYI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKAeO-5saqQ

And for balance, Labour:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptKNOK4eQ3c

People are unhappy with Starmer because he's purged the left of what's supposed to be a labor party. And because he's committed over and over to not making a fundamental break Tory austerity, neoliberalism, and culture war stances. So despite the record win, it's going to be squandered and you'll get a Tory that makes you yearn for Sunak before the decade is through.

UK Polls are insane. They're pretty consistently projecting above a 250 seat majority for Labour, with a few outliers suggesting over 300 or below 200.

Even a horridly underperforming result for Labour, if polling is anywhere close to accurate, could easily equate to a massive 150 seat majority, and if that happens it'd be coupled with talk about how Labour shockingly underperformed.

Will be interesting to see how this turns out. The Tories have arguably been the worst-run and disastrous major state governing party in generations, and I say that fully cognizant of the GOP being utterly insane but unfortunately still relevent.

My hunch is the Labour voters will be lulled into assuming an easy win and maybe a smaller majority than they should be getting, but still enough for an insanely safe Labour majority.

A former GameFAQs user is standing as a candidate for Labour in the Thirsk and Malton constituency (North Yorkshire). The final Survation MRP poll for the constituency has her leading her Tory opponent 33% - 32%. Most other polls have it as a Tory hold by about 5%.

Trelve posted...

If you're curious about the achievements the Conservatives have made over the past 14 years, take a look at this video by Jonathan Pie. He gets a bit sweary, FYI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKAeO-5saqQ

And for balance, Labour:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptKNOK4eQ3c

Thats good stuff.

MathMurderer posted...

A former GameFAQs user is standing as a candidate for Labour in the Thirsk and Malton constituency (North Yorkshire). The final Survation MRP poll for the constituency has her leading her Tory opponent 33% - 32%. Most other polls have it as a Tory hold by about 5%.

Wait, is this legit?

ScazarMeltex posted...

What's wild to me is that I'm here on vacation in Scotland on the eve of this massive election and other than the occasional Vote [insert party here] sign you would never know it.

I wish politics in the US were like this. We are still months away from our election and already TV and radio ads are rampant and billboards and signs are everywhere.

You're lucky

I'm getting bombared with flyers, all the ads on the internet are political, they have a giant screen at the gym just talking about the election.

I'm not complaining though if it gets people off their ass and voting.

MathMurderer posted...

A former GameFAQs user is standing as a candidate for Labour in the Thirsk and Malton constituency (North Yorkshire). The final Survation MRP poll for the constituency has her leading her Tory opponent 33% - 32%. Most other polls have it as a Tory hold by about 5%.

Oh? Which user?

ScazarMeltex posted...

In fairness I've been in the highlands. Inverness has 50k people in it, and comparing it to a US city of 50k what I saw was nothing. Portree, where I'm at now, only has like 2300 permanent residents and again where I to compare it to a US town of that size it would be significantly worse than here.

I live in a mid-size village in England.

Two people in the road have Vote Labour signs. I've had 2 leaflets and a letter from the sitting MP.

It's very different from what I've seen of the US. No one has flags, lawn signs, car stickers etc. Party political broadcasts here are strictly rationed and controlled.

I don't have any social media feeds, so I wouldn't know about that.

legendary_zell posted...

People are unhappy with Starmer because he's purged the left of what's supposed to be a labor party. And because he's committed over and over to not making a fundamental break Tory austerity, neoliberalism, and culture war stances. So despite the record win, it's going to be squandered and you'll get a Tory that makes you yearn for Sunak before the decade is through.

Pretty much. What the fuck is the point of having the other party win if they do it after adopting the exact same policies and positions at the party they defeated?

CoyoteTheGreat posted...

Pretty much. What the fuck is the point of having the other party win if they do it after adopting the exact same policies and positions at the party they defeated?

If they can show the bare minimum of competency, and not use their positions to enrich themselves and their friends, it would be a considerable step up.

ai123 posted...

If they can show the bare minimum of competency, and not use their positions to enrich themselves and their friends, it would be a considerable step up.

Yeah the "both sides" really stick out here

I'm not a big Labour supporter but they are so fundamentally superior to the Tories on pretty much every quantifable level that the people going "They're all as bad as each other!" feel like they're just completely uninformed.

ai123 posted...

If they can show the bare minimum of competency, and not use their positions to enrich themselves and their friends, it would be a considerable step up.

More "competently" administering austerity and the persecution of transgender people isn't a good thing.

What are the American equivalents to the UK parties?

CoyoteTheGreat posted...

More "competently" administering austerity and the persecution of transgender people isn't a good thing.

Austerity wouldn't be any better if those administering it wasted billions through sheer ineptitude, would it?

Humble_Novice posted...

I'm still confused as to why some leftists are not happy about Labour winning. Is it simply because of Starmer being such a flawed candidate?

"Flawed" is putting it mildly. He's a liar who's u-turned on the entire platform on which he stood for the Labour leadership, has committed to keeping many catastrophic Tory policies (including the cap on benefits for families with more than two children, which is known to be a major cause poverty and hunger) and panders to racists and transphobes while refusing to do anything about abuse of black and Muslim candidates in his own party.

Trelve posted...

Think of Starmer as being like Joe Biden. The hard left of the party are unhappy because Bernie Sanders (Jeremy Corbyn) isn't leader any more.

There's no comparison between Starmer and Biden. Biden (despite being a genocide-enabler) has at least done some good things like infrastructure investment and standing up for trans rights. Starmer refuses to support anything like that.

ai123 posted...

If they can show the bare minimum of competency, and not use their positions to enrich themselves and their friends, it would be a considerable step up.

You're going to be disappointed. They're actively courting the support (and money) of lobbyists. In fact some Labour candidates at this election are lobbyists. Wes Streeting, who will be in charge of health if Labour wins, has repeatedly spoken of his desire to increase private sector encroachment on the NHS while taking hundreds of thousands of pounds in donations from lobbyists for private health companies. If you think they're not going to enrich themselves and their rich friends (like the Blair government did), you haven't been paying attention.

Sonixs posted...

What are the American equivalents to the UK parties?

Conservatvies = Republicans before the Republicans went full fascist.
Labour = Democrats, but currently controlled by the right-wing party faction, who are like the most horrible sort of right-wing Democrats except even worse.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I'm not a big Labour supporter but they are so fundamentally superior to the Tories on pretty much every quantifable level that the people going "They're all as bad as each other!" feel like they're just completely uninformed.

How are Labour fundamentally superior to the Tories? That seems a strange thing to say, given how many things they say they won't change from what the Tories have done.

Trelve posted...

Reform UK will win one seat and Nigel Farage will finally get to enter parliament.

I still don't understand how that's possible, though I've seen other predictions say similar things. They're polling close to Conservatives and ahead of the Liberal Dems, how could they only get 1 seat? It kinda made sense in 2015, since they were still way behind the top 2.

MathMurderer posted...

A former GameFAQs user is standing as a candidate for Labour in the Thirsk and Malton constituency (North Yorkshire). The final Survation MRP poll for the constituency has her leading her Tory opponent 33% - 32%. Most other polls have it as a Tory hold by about 5%.

Why do I have a feeling it's that mod from around 2005?

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

Conservatvies = Republicans before the Republicans went full fascist.
Labour = Democrats, but currently controlled by the right-wing party faction, who are like the most horrible sort of right-wing Democrats except even worse.

As I was reading the first half of your post I was thinking "so the Tories are the current GOP sans the cult of personality atop and Labour is the Bush era GOP?"

darkace77450 posted...

As I was reading the first half of your post I was thinking "so the Tories are the current GOP sans the cult of personality atop and Labour is the Bush era GOP?"

Well Tony Blair would be the precedence for that

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7c0952e4.jpg

ai123 posted...

Austerity wouldn't be any better if those administering it wasted billions through sheer ineptitude, would it?

There's no way to competently administer austerity because it's inherently incompetent. Is like asking what's the proper way to snap your balls in a mouse trap.

Justin2Krelian posted...

I still don't understand how that's possible, though I've seen other predictions say similar things. They're polling close to Conservatives and ahead of the Liberal Dems, how could they only get 1 seat? It kinda made sense in 2015, since they were still way behind the top 2.

The UK is divided into geographical constituencies which each elect one MP. You need enough support within a constituency to win the seat.

A party could come second in every constituency, and they would have zero MPs, despite having millions of votes. Reform may have a lot of support in total, but they have no real geographical base/concentration, unlike the major parties. They will get a lot of third places, and even some seconds, but are very unlikely to come first in more than one constituency.

Had to vote by post. I was in two minds about doing it because part of me feels like I shouldnt be voting anymore.

Obviously want the Tories out because Im not a disaster of a human being, but Im also not convinced the current lineup for Labour will be any better. Im not sure how they can be any worse.

Polls are open which can only mean one thing.

Time for the pictures of dogs at the polling stations!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8e0021dc.jpg

Glob posted...

Had to vote by post. I was in two minds about doing it because part of me feels like I shouldnt be voting anymore.

Obviously want the Tories out because Im not a disaster of a human being, but Im also not convinced the current lineup for Labour will be any better. Im not sure how they can be any worse.

Nonetheless, I do have to thank you from the bottom of my heart for still voting.

How about Daleks at polling stations?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/dfc06c6e.jpg

Trelve posted...

How about Daleks at polling stations?
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/dfc06c6e.jpg

That's just Suella Braverman rocking up to cast her vote.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c2f00df7.jpg

Fuck yes, Maple!

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/258bb418.jpg

Why are UKers voting on an American federal holiday? Have they no respect!?

DKBananaSlamma posted...

Why are UKers voting on an American federal holiday? Have they no respect!?

For Americans? Generally, no.

Glob posted...

For Americans? Generally, no.

This is why we won the war

DKBananaSlamma posted...

This is why we won the war

I think that worked out best for everyone.

K181 posted...

UK Polls are insane. They're pretty consistently projecting above a 250 seat majority for Labour, with a few outliers suggesting over 300 or below 200.

Even a horridly underperforming result for Labour, if polling is anywhere close to accurate, could easily equate to a massive 150 seat majority, and if that happens it'd be coupled with talk about how Labour shockingly underperformed.

Will be interesting to see how this turns out. The Tories have arguably been the worst-run and disastrous major state governing party in generations, and I say that fully cognizant of the GOP being utterly insane but unfortunately still relevent.

My hunch is the Labour voters will be lulled into assuming an easy win and maybe a smaller majority than they should be getting, but still enough for an insanely safe Labour majority.

Looking in on this from the US, it is unimaginable that a conservative party like the Tories may actually see real adverse results in elections from being a shit pit.

In the US, defeating the Republicans (if it happens) is going to require surviving a long gauntlet of nail-biter national elections and finally getting enough Democrats in office with spines to actually tackle the real problems the country faces.

LOL at people itt literally spouting the same lines as Reform voters about them "all being the same as each other". Right-wing media has done a number on you and they don't even realise it.

Nigel farage is literally why the UK is where it's at

CADE_FOSTER posted...

Nigel farage is literally why the UK is where it's at

I would say David Cameron's cowardice let that happen.

djsporty92 posted...

LOL at people itt literally spouting the same lines as Reform voters about them "all being the same as each other". Right-wing media has done a number on you and they don't even realise it.

I mean it hasnt. Nobody actually means that theyre all the same. They mean that theyre not as different as theyd like them to be.