Current Events > In defense of "They fly now" *Star Wars spoilers?*

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Jetpacks in Star Wars were established as a thing back when Boba Fett was shown using one in the original trilogy. Mandalorians have jetpacks as part of their standard kit and even Clone Troopers (who predate Boba Fett) were shown using them. I don't think it's too much of a stretch for the First Order to figure "hey, maybe we should outfit our Stormtroopers with jetpacks"

Still a very funny and meme-worthy line of dialogue, but in-universe it honestly isn't that outlandish of an idea. The crazy thing is actually that they weren't using jetpacks earlier.

The prequels really ruined the technological advancement of the universe.
C'mon, R2D2 literally flies in PT but never in OT or ST.

Why would they not have jetpacks when they have light swords and warp drive.

I don't think anyone ever took issue with them flying, it was the terrible delivery of the line and the idea that Finn wouldn't already know about them.

pegusus123456 posted...

I don't think anyone ever took issue with them flying, it was the terrible delivery of the line and the idea that Finn wouldn't already know about them.

I've seen people take issue specifically with the fact that they have jetpacks but I'm pretty sure they just wanted to bash on the sequel trilogy for as many things as possible

it's still a really shitty line that isn't funny and semi breaks the fourth wall to 'connect with the audience' in a very modern post-mcu that just fucking fails on all levels. there's no defense here.

When you need an army, fast, you gloss over or skip certain training options in order to get the maximum amount of bodies on the firing line.

Star Wars didn't need goddamn Whedon dialogue anyway.

wanderingshade posted...

Why would they not have jetpacks when they have light swords and warp drive.

Hell the damn clones had jetpacks.

pegusus123456 posted...

I don't think anyone ever took issue with them flying, it was the terrible delivery of the line and the idea that Finn wouldn't already know about them.

Yeah, like, its this.

It was a line that was delivered in a way that got memed on. No one ever took issue with them having flight packs unless they were just ragging on about hating the sequels and ran out of every other thing they could list. Like, seriously. I don't think I have EVER seen someone complain about the "They Fly Now?" thing even among people who dislike the sequel trilogy.

People will rag on about the writers not knowing how combat works before then. Heck, I happen to be one of those, ESPECIALLY when it comes to the Star Fortress run. I stand by that the Star Fortresses are actually pretty awesome just by the fact one of them barely got through despite everyone involved in that combat basically doing EVERY SINGLE THING THEY COULD HAVE DONE WRONG when it comes to using them properly (i.e. knowing how to actually escort things instead of waiting for the bombers to literally start being shot at by enemy fighters to even budge from formation, etc). And a single barely functional one was still able to destroy a dreadnought because, yeah, the first order are also idiots who put their artillery far in front of the rest of their forces too.

The writers were so desperate to create a "loose cannon" character that they made one of the most tactically inept battles in sci-fi AND real history to try and sell it. And even then they had a setup where less than a hundred people and their ships went down to destroy a dreadnought, and just pretended this was bad and then tossed the Mega Star Destroyer at the resistance so that they could pretend to be justified about their writing.

My issue was that the repetition of the line seemed like an extremely forced joke for a line that was very unfunny. If it had just been said once I wouldn't even have grunted at it, just let it pass.

Now this is pod racing

I mean, I lol'd

Wait they fly now?

I rue the day that Star Wars fans decided that Star Wars as SERIOUS BUSINESS

wanderingshade posted...

Star Wars didn't need goddamn Whedon dialogue anyway.

He needs to get jumped for the influence he's made

pegusus123456 posted...

I don't think anyone ever took issue with them flying, it was the terrible delivery of the line and the idea that Finn wouldn't already know about them.

That kind of makes it make more sense though. If he was a First Order trooper and they weren't using jetpacks while he was there, and now suddenly they are using jetpacks, that would be pretty shocking I would assume.

Baha05 posted...

Hell the damn clones had jetpacks.

This is a universe that seems to forget shit VERY quickly.

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"shut up" was wholly unnecessary and was just you being grumpy and abrasive for no good reason. it's a topic about Star Wars, chill out

inb4kid

you do this "omg you're obsessed with me" every single time someone calls you out for being generally abrasive and confrontational. there was no reason to start with the hostility, but you just had to throw in that "shut up" because I guess being abrasive and confrontational is just ... you? maybe it's not a gimmick and you really act like this in your daily life.

"Kid", lol

Euripides posted...

"Kid", lol

it's how you know he's triggered. but in this case JMO is actually sort of correct and i'll stop derailing the topic for petty user conflicts

Maybe being abrasive is JustHisOpinion?

*Acts like an ass to people in every topic*

*gets called out on on it*

"Why are you obsessed with me, kid?"

*rinse and repeat*

Overall Joss Whedon has good dialog, people emulating Whedon do not

This topic took a weird turn

Wait they get triggered now?

R1masher posted...

Wait they get triggered now?

Star Wars fans have been mad since Midichlorians.

I vote we bring back "he's standing right behind me, isn't he?" in exchange for "that's a thing, now?"

wanderingshade posted...

Star Wars fans have been mad since Midichlorians.

Ewoks*

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

Ewoks*

Since Greedo

VeggetaX posted...

Since Greedo

That was post ewoks.

I forgot about the original trilogy changes like Yub Nub and Greedo Shot First. Those aren't as bad as CGI 6 foot 2 Jabba and Jabba's palace singers.

Heineken14 posted...

That kind of makes it make more sense though. If he was a First Order trooper and they weren't using jetpacks while he was there, and now suddenly they are using jetpacks, that would be pretty shocking I would assume.

Inuniverse it kinda make sense.
Finn, and many others were kidnapped at a young age to be raised as loyal supersoldiers.
Most were probably raised to be ground troops or fighter pilots, and were raised to be molded into the category they got. Jetpack troops were most likely a smaller group of specialists raised differently at a different place, so there was no reason for Finn to even know that they existed.
Add to that that he got a commander that was basically Infantry is the best, and we are the best infantry. If we have to work with a different unit, then we are a failure because we couldnt handle it ourself. So instead of learning about different units and how we can learn how to work together with them, we should work harder to be better at what we already can!. Add to that that that mission was his first real combat mission, so he never had a chance to even experience working with anything more than infantry and dropship pilots.

The Republic had a lower cost army than the Empire or First Order. They could kit out their soldiers better. Other jetpack units are typically "elite" soldiers. Elite soldiers cost a LOT of money.

I imagine the First Order inherited a lot of the Empire's financial troubles, having to pay their soldiers and all. And of course their ridiculous projects.

When you run half the galaxy, there are a LOT of places to send NOT a lot of elite ground units, especially for an impractical threat like both the Rebellion and Resistance were seen as. Hence, your protags only see common grunts and maybe a few more highly trained and equipped units.

Not expecting jetpacks is perfectly reasonable.

Rise of Skywalker is still dogshit but I don't really think THAT line is the reason.

It's the same awful breaking the fourth wall crap that's wrong with so much of modern cinema because gods forbid any movie be remotely serious for a second. Gotta remind the audience 'its a movie lol, I'm in a movie now'.

You could play as jet troopers in battlefront. No excuse

It doesn't make sense for the characters involved (both seasoned veterans who should know a galaxy spanning organization has men with fucking jetpacks), is poorly delivered, takes away suspense from the moment for a joke, and also is largely targeted via a 4th wall break at the audience (who unlike two veterans, might not be aware a galaxy spanning organization has people with jetpacks, and thus MIGHT be hit by the "upgraded stormtrooper" joke)... but that doesn't hit either unless you lack even two braincells.

The scene is a microcosm of Disney's failure with Star Wars honestly. Memeing off the past while simultaneously failing to take into account the universe they are in (or developing that universe in a competent way), all while delivering content that is poorly written and directed.

sabin017 posted...

The prequels really ruined the technological advancement of the universe.
C'mon, R2D2 literally flies in PT but never in OT or ST.

Simple solution: Bail Organa had his rocket boosters removed. Or just didn't bother to have them repaired when they broke down, because R2-D2 was getting himself into too much trouble with his ability to fly.

It's one of those "voice of the audience" moments. Of course the more aware fans are going to find it annoying.

Remember the car chase in TDK:

https://youtu.be/cFdDCTumLks?si=LCSFtN90zbfHklA5

Where that one guy keeps going
"Come on, let's go!"
"What the hell was that?"
"Is that a bazooka?"

Why did need 3 characters saying the same phrase, that shit ain't memeworthy

People keep calling it a joke but...there's no punchline.

marthsheretoo posted...

People keep calling it a joke but...there's no punchline.

The punchline of comedic relief is sometimes just the situation itself.

They fly now.