Current Events > Caitlin Clark makes WNBA history as first rookie to record triple-double

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https://twitter.com/IndianaFever/status/1809657605507137560

GOAT.

She officially had a Good Day.

UK here. Whats a triple double?

SHRlKE posted...

UK here. Whats a triple double?

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/triple-double

What does triple-double mean?
A triple-double is a basketball statistic for a player who, in one game, reaches double digits in three of these five areas:
-points
-rebounds
-assists
-steals
-blocks
The most common form of triple-double is made up of points, rebounds, and assists.

It's crazy people think angel Reese is Roty over her. Not even close

Noname13 posted...

It's crazy people think angel Reese is Roty over her. Not even close

Angel Reese is the best

Noname13 posted...

It's crazy people think angel Reese is Roty over her. Not even close

I don't follow the WNBA but looking at the more advance metrics it seems like those metrics favor Reese over Clark

With that stats that actually matter, CC blows her out of the water except rebounding. Half of Reese's rebounds are her own missed shots too. Reese is playing way above expectations right now

Noname13 posted...

It's crazy people think angel Reese is Roty over her. Not even close

They're both neck and neck, Angel Reese just made the double double record for the whole WNBA. They're both playing at high levels

Noname13 posted...

With that stats that actually matter, CC blows her out of the water except rebounding. Half of Reese's rebounds are her own missed shots too. Reese is playing way above expectations right now

What stats "actually matter"? Clark's 5.6 turnovers per game?

And no, nowhere near half of Reese's rebounds are her own missed shots - over the last 6 games, for example, she had 90 rebounds and 13 of them came off her own misses. That's 14%.

Clark is great. Reese is great. I'd still take Clark and would still bet on RotY going to her, but it's a good race.

I think whoever finishes with the better team record will take RotY.

But 1st triple-double by a rook in the league's almost 30 year history? Not bad.

How many points did they win by?

Mizznox posted...

What stats "actually matter"? Clark's 5.6 turnovers per game?

And no, nowhere near half of Reese's rebounds are her own missed shots - over the last 6 games, for example, she had 90 rebounds and 13 of them came off her own misses. That's 14%.

Clark is great. Reese is great. I'd still take Clark and would still bet on RotY going to her, but it's a good race.

of course CC would have more turnovers. She has a higher shooting volume and shoots threes. That's how it with player ball dominant players. Look at how lebron leads with turnovers in history. CC is also a rookie and all those numbers have improved. It will naturally come down

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/20a306c4.jpg

it's Clarks to lose. Plus, people are hung up on team wins for some reason for an individual award. The fever technically have more wins

It was also the first triple double in Fever franchise history and only like the 30th in WNBA history lol.

That should tell you how bad the play typically is in this league.

lilORANG posted...

It was also the first triple double in Fever franchise history and only like the 30th in WNBA history lol.

That should tell you how bad the play typically is in this league.

I think it speaks more to the fact that the women's game is 8 minutes shorter and the season is half as long with a ~a third as many teams.

Noname13 posted...

of course CC would have more turnovers. She has a higher shooting volume and shoots threes. That's how it with player ball dominant players. Look at how lebron leads with turnovers in history.

This. Players that shoot more obviously turn the ball over more than players that don't. A player that shoots more has the ball more. When you have the ball more, there's a greater chance you'll turn it over than somebody who... Doesn't get the ball as much. It's a weird stat for people to grab on to. When you're the only good player on the team, and thus the ball inevitably ends up in your hands more often than not, you're going to, naturally, also have higher turnovers.

it's Clarks to lose. Plus, people are hung up on team wins for some reason for an individual award. The fever technically have more wins

Well, no, the Fever have played more games so far. Your link there even shows that.

Players that shoot more obviously turn the ball over more than players that don't

How do you turn the ball over by shooting? A missed shot is not a turnover. As a point guard, it's her ball handling and errant passes that contribute to her turnovers.

DrizztLink posted...

She officially had a Good Day.

Dammit. Beat me to it.

Noname13 posted...

of course CC would have more turnovers. She has a higher shooting volume and shoots threes. That's how it with player ball dominant players. Look at how lebron leads with turnovers in history. CC is also a rookie and all those numbers have improved. It will naturally come down

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/20a306c4.jpg

it's Clarks to lose. Plus, people are hung up on team wins for some reason for an individual award. The fever technically have more wins

Yep. Its the same reason why Wemby didn't get defensive player of the year despite having the best individual stats of anyone.

Noname13 posted...

of course CC would have more turnovers. She has a higher shooting volume and shoots threes.

You can shoot more and not have as many turnovers. Neither the volume of shots taken nor the type of shots taken are directly tied to turnovers. When you shoot and miss, it isn't a turnover.

StealThisSheen posted...

This. Players that shoot more obviously turn the ball over more than players that don't. A player that shoots more has the ball more. When you have the ball more, there's a greater chance you'll turn it over than somebody who... Doesn't get the ball as much. It's a weird stat for people to grab on to. When you're the only good player on the team, and thus the ball inevitably ends up in your hands more often than not, you're going to, naturally, also have higher turnovers.

This is more accurate. A ball handler has more opportunities to turn over the ball. As a point guard, you bring it up the court, set up plays, make passes, etc.

But she isn't the only good player on her team. Aliyah Boston also really good. Building around the two of them is going to have very positive results.

This is a great feat.

Ryangrad posted...

But she isn't the only good player on her team. Aliyah Boston also really good. Building around the two of them is going to have very positive results.

Yeah, I didn't specifically mean Clark when I said that. I was also referring to LeBron, who... For many years, was the only consistently good player on the Cavs. LeBron has the most career turnovers in NBA history, but nobody gets on his case for it, because... Well, it makes sense. The more you have the ball, the more you're going to turn it over.

I wonder if Angel Reese will be the second person to do this; she's even better than Caitlin Clark

She finished with 19 points, 13 assists, and 12 rebounds while beating the team with the best record in the league. Thats pretty insane

you guys can't be arguing if you can't really think about it. It's not about shooting. Like I said, ball dominant. She's going to be passing and be in control of the ball most of the time. Of course she's going to have more turnovers. She's the playmaker or who the game revolves around.

ultimately, I don't think turnovers will even factor in this.

listen, Reese is a good player obviously nothing away from her. But this has become an obvious social media battle where some theoretical lines have been drawn. But CC is far and away the better player

Boombam99 posted...

She finished with 19 points, 13 assists, and 12 rebounds while beating the team with the best record in the league. Thats pretty insane

Impressive for sure. She deserves to be on Team USA.

Reese is a great player. I wish she had made her play the focus, instead of openly admitting that she's intentionally playing the "villain" that supports attempting to intentionally injure Clark, because it gets people to watch her more.

Who will win rookie of the year

Boombam99 posted...

She finished with 19 points, 13 assists, and 12 rebounds while beating the team with the best record in the league. Thats pretty insane

Yeah this is some of the stuff they pay attention to for RotY. So far CC also has a better record against Reese as well.

lol that 41.4% eFG% for Reese is horrendous given where she's typically shooting from holy shit

DrizztLink posted...

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/triple-double

Nice. Do you ever see quad or quin doubles?

Every time Clark has the ball the other team sends everything and the kitchen sink at her. For a rookie, that's a lot of attention. Clark is just that dangerous as a player.

SHRlKE posted...

Nice. Do you ever see quad or quin doubles?

The NBA has only seen four quad doubles in its history, and the last one was in 1994.

You don't see them anymore due to how the sport has changed. The focus since the 90s has been on players focusing on one specific side when it came to offense or defense, and getting a quad double requires both.

Noname13 posted...

Half of Reese's rebounds are her own missed shots too.

Some sports account on instagram recently showed a clip of her rebounding skills, bunch of the people in the comments wondering if it was a positive post or negative post. Her statline for that one possession was 1-3, 2 rebounds, 2 points. She was half a foot away from the basket the entire time. Crazy.

Rookies are supposed to be inefficient, Clark is just a generational talent. She should be on Team USA no question.

Clark plays PG and Reece plays PF. That's why Clark has more turnovers and Reece has more Rebounds.

Also there is this: https://twitter.com/StrollerAdam/status/1807152021247795204

Awesker002 posted...

Clark plays PG

Pointguard.

Awesker002 posted...

Reece plays PF

...pointfuard

Lol. That's Power forward.

DrizztLink posted...

Pointguard.

...pointfuard

The point guard runs the offense and usually is the team's best dribbler and passer.

The power forward position entails a variety of responsibilities, including rebounding, screen setting, rim protecting, and scoring.

tl;dr: This is why Clark has more turnovers and Reese had more rebounds. Power forwards have rebounding as the main part of their role. Point guards have to set up plays and pass the ball which means if the other players don't catch the pass, as shown in the video somebody just posted, it counts as a turnover for the point guard.

She can score, she can shoot deep 3s, she can give dimes, she can rebound.

Caitlin Clark is the female Steph Curry/Lebron James.

Too bad shes playing for a shitty team.

Reese is having a great year, its too bad both sides of the debate have been hijacked by people who dont care about basketball. Id give CC the edge but its not exactly open and shut.

I know full damn well that a playmaker is going to turn the ball over more than a traditional big, lol.

5.6 per game is a ridiculous number. That's 40% more than anyone else in the league. 70% more than the third most in the league. Almost 30% more than the second most in a season in WNBA history.

Yes, part of that is just due to being a big time playmaker tasked with creating a lot of offense. It's still a historically bad number that is fair to bring up alongside the good that she does.

DrizztLink posted...

Pointguard.

...pointfuard

Lmfao

Mizznox posted...

I know full damn well that a playmaker is going to turn the ball over more than a traditional big, lol.

5.6 per game is a ridiculous number. That's 40% more than anyone else in the league. 70% more than the third most in the league. Almost 30% more than the second most in a season in WNBA history.

Yes, part of that is just due to being a big time playmaker tasked with creating a lot of offense. It's still a historically bad number that is fair to bring up alongside the good that she does.

I mean her actual turnover rate is just 2% higher than Alyssa Thomas (who is second in turnovers) lol.

Do you guys think its for the best that she isnt going to play on the Olympic team?

I suppose its reasonable since shes still so fresh.

Bio1590 posted...

I mean her actual turnover rate is just 2% higher than Alyssa Thomas (who is second in turnovers) lol.

"Actual" turnover rate, lol. The way USG%/TOV% work limits how useful those numbers are to compare different players unless they have similar shooting/playmaking volume. Shooting more tends to lower TOV%, playmaking more tends to raise it.

Basically, Clark's and Thomas's TOV% are close - despite Thomas dishing out 0.8 more assists and 1.6 fewer turnovers - because Clark shoots almost 50% more shots.