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Humble_Novice 07/10/24 9:13:16 PM #1:	If America falls to fascism for good, should blue states secede and form their own countries? - Results (75 votes) Yes 57.33% (43 votes) 43 No 42.67% (32 votes) 32 No good can come from sticking around with a federal government that has been tainted by the far right. If push comes to shove, should the remaining blue states band together and secede? While I understand that there's going to be some bloodshed involved, it can't be as bad as simply letting a right-wing dictatorship take away the rights of the remaining liberal bastions. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:981240797] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote> If America falls to fascism for good, should blue states secede and form their own countries? - Results (75 votes) Yes 57.33% (43 votes) 43 No 42.67% (32 votes) 32 Show Voting Form No good can come from sticking around with a federal government that has been tainted by the far right. If push comes to shove, should the remaining blue states band together and secede? While I understand that there's going to be some bloodshed involved, it can't be as bad as simply letting a right-wing dictatorship take away the rights of the remaining liberal bastions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnholyMudcrab 07/10/24 9:13:45 PM #2:	Please stop --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif <cite>UnholyMudcrab posted [p:981240801] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Please stop </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsNotA2Mer 07/10/24 9:14:03 PM #3:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Please stop --- It is impossible to live in the past, difficult to live in the present, and a waste to live in the future. (He/Him). <cite>ItsNotA2Mer posted [p:981240809] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite><quote>Please stop</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 07/10/24 9:14:49 PM #4:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Please stop No. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:981240820] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite><quote>Please stop</quote>No.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 07/10/24 9:16:19 PM #5:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Please stop --- CyricZ He/him http://twitch.tv/cyricz42 <cite>CyricZ posted [p:981240842] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite><quote>Please stop</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kradek 07/10/24 9:19:23 PM #6:	I don't think they'll get that choice. It's already illegal per Lawrence v TX, and while they could just ignore the SC like TX is, I don't think a fascist government will allow them to. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) <cite>Kradek posted [p:981240878] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>I don't think they'll get that choice. It's already illegal per Lawrence v TX, and while they could just ignore the SC like TX is, I don't think a fascist government will allow them to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 07/10/24 9:24:19 PM #7:	Kradek posted... I don't think they'll get that choice. It's already illegal per Lawrence v TX, and while they could just ignore the SC like TX is, I don't think a fascist government will allow them to. I think other states should coordinate resistances of their own to further hamper the fascist government. We cannot simply let ourselves be steamrolled by the far right if they're just going to drag us all into the camps anyway. I distinctly remember considering this possibility once when Trump seemed like he was winning the 2020 elections. While I truly want Biden and the Democrats to win big, we also have to consider contingency plans or other options if the worst case scenario comes to pass. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:981240945] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Kradek posted... </cite><quote>I don't think they'll get that choice. It's already illegal per Lawrence v TX, and while they could just ignore the SC like TX is, I don't think a fascist government will allow them to.</quote>I think other states should coordinate resistances of their own to further hamper the fascist government. We cannot simply let ourselves be steamrolled by the far right if they're just going to drag us all into the camps anyway. I distinctly remember considering this possibility once when Trump seemed like he was winning the 2020 elections. While I truly want Biden and the Democrats to win big, we also have to consider contingency plans or other options if the worst case scenario comes to pass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tripleh213 07/10/24 9:25:04 PM #8:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Please stop --- Bucks World Champions 2021 PS4 looks great <cite>tripleh213 posted [p:981240956] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite><quote>Please stop</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuerrillaSoldier 07/10/24 9:25:33 PM #9:	at least this doom topic doesn't have some terrible fake tweet thing that looks like some random building message posted on some random college hallway bulletin board --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! <cite>GuerrillaSoldier posted [p:981240965] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>at least this doom topic doesn't have some terrible fake tweet thing that looks like some random building message posted on some random college hallway bulletin board </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metralo 07/10/24 9:27:16 PM #10:	so many copers acting like this trump presidency will just be normal itt lmfao --- https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1298321979/image.jpg bustin makes me feel good <cite>metralo posted [p:981240983] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>so many copers acting like this trump presidency will just be normal itt lmfao </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bat178 07/10/24 9:27:33 PM #11:	Kradek posted... I don't think they'll get that choice. It's already illegal per Lawrence v TX, and while they could just ignore the SC like TX is, I don't think a fascist government will allow them to. California is literally the biggest economy in the US and would be in the top 10 in the world on it's own. --- "2001 called, it wants it's message board signature back....." - aarrgus <cite>Bat178 posted [p:981240988] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Kradek posted... </cite><quote>I don't think they'll get that choice. It's already illegal per Lawrence v TX, and while they could just ignore the SC like TX is, I don't think a fascist government will allow them to.</quote>California is literally the biggest economy in the US and would be in the top 10 in the world on it's own. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMolinaro 07/10/24 9:30:35 PM #12:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Please stop <cite>MrMolinaro posted [p:981241037] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite><quote>Please stop</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 07/10/24 9:32:10 PM #13:	Bat178 posted... California is literally the biggest economy in the US and would be in the top 10 in the world on it's own. It also produces a lot of food and has access to coasts. Plus, there's also the possibility of it forming an alliance with Mexico which is now being led by a left-wing government. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:981241062] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Bat178 posted... </cite><quote>California is literally the biggest economy in the US and would be in the top 10 in the world on it's own.</quote>It also produces a lot of food and has access to coasts. Plus, there's also the possibility of it forming an alliance with Mexico which is now being led by a left-wing government.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kradek 07/10/24 9:32:54 PM #14:	Bat178 posted... California is literally the biggest economy in the US and would be in the top 10 in the world on it's own. Yeah, they'd never let that state secede. They'd have it occupied by the military first. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) <cite>Kradek posted [p:981241076] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Bat178 posted... </cite><quote>California is literally the biggest economy in the US and would be in the top 10 in the world on it's own.</quote>Yeah, they'd never let that state secede. They'd have it occupied by the military first. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McSame_as_Bush 07/10/24 9:34:46 PM #15:	Hypothetically if this was possible, some states might end up in a worse position than if they didn't secede. Some would be better off - Minnesota could join Canada, California has the coast and lots of wealth, etc... but what happens to a state like Colorado after declaring independence? It has no bordering country, no ocean, and is surrounded by red states. How long until Trump cuts it off economically or invades? --- Naz Reid <cite>McSame_as_Bush posted [p:981241104] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Hypothetically if this was possible, some states might end up in a worse position than if they didn't secede. Some would be better off - Minnesota could join Canada, California has the coast and lots of wealth, etc... but what happens to a state like Colorado after declaring independence? It has no bordering country, no ocean, and is surrounded by red states. How long until Trump cuts it off economically or invades? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 07/10/24 9:38:06 PM #16:	McSame_as_Bush posted... Hypothetically if this was possible, some states might end up in a worse position than if they didn't secede. Some would be better off - Minnesota could join Canada, California has the coast and lots of wealth, etc... but what happens to a state like Colorado after declaring independence? It has no bordering country, no ocean, and is surrounded by red states. How long until Trump cuts it off economically or invades? The blue states that cannot viably secede could lay low and feign loyalty to Trump while secretly supporting their recently-freed counterparts. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:981241158] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>McSame_as_Bush posted... </cite><quote>Hypothetically if this was possible, some states might end up in a worse position than if they didn't secede. Some would be better off - Minnesota could join Canada, California has the coast and lots of wealth, etc... but what happens to a state like Colorado after declaring independence? It has no bordering country, no ocean, and is surrounded by red states. How long until Trump cuts it off economically or invades?</quote>The blue states that cannot viably secede could lay low and feign loyalty to Trump while secretly supporting their recently-freed counterparts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 07/10/24 9:42:20 PM #17:	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_California https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8b1a4228.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/ded460b8.jpg <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:981241217] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_Californiahttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8b1a4228.pnghttps://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/ded460b8.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Time 07/10/24 9:45:06 PM #18:	that'd be one messy civil war with a lot of border issues --- http://karma.hardcore-tm.com - GameFAQs Karma Calculator. <cite>Time posted [p:981241262] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>that'd be one messy civil war with a lot of border issues </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cory898 07/10/24 9:46:48 PM #19:	As always this topic comes up with no indication how secession is supposed to work when one, there is no neat dividing line that separates the liberal part of America from the conservative part, and two, no state is exclusively populated by one side or the others. Id sooner endure 4 more years of Trump and hope we can turn things around than abandon all liberals living in red states. --- Probably the only Mario Maker 2 level I'll ever create worth sharing. 1RT-9RG-QKF <cite>Cory898 posted [p:981241287] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>As always this topic comes up with no indication how secession is supposed to work when one, there is no neat dividing line that separates the liberal part of America from the conservative part, and two, no state is exclusively populated by one side or the others. Id sooner endure 4 more years of Trump and hope we can turn things around than abandon all liberals living in red states. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sayoria 07/10/24 9:52:18 PM #20:	I'd be cool with New England being our own country. We've easily be self-sustainable. Could add New York in too. --- Japanese Crack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5pzggr <cite>Sayoria posted [p:981241365] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>I'd be cool with New England being our own country. We've easily be self-sustainable. Could add New York in too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 07/10/24 9:52:56 PM #21:	Cory898 posted... As always this topic comes up with no indication how secession is supposed to work when one, there is no neat dividing line that separates the liberal part of America from the conservative part, and two, no state is exclusively populated by one side or the others. Id sooner endure 4 more years of Trump and hope we can turn things around than abandon all liberals living in red states. Putting up with 4 more years of Trump means exposing our youths to mandated right-wing propaganda like PragerU. And fortunately for us, a lot of conservatives are leaving California in droves due to the state's perceived left-wing ideology. The more we encourage them to leave, the better it'll be if the state is mostly filled with liberals, leftists, and even centrists. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:981241374] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Cory898 posted... </cite><quote>As always this topic comes up with no indication how secession is supposed to work when one, there is no neat dividing line that separates the liberal part of America from the conservative part, and two, no state is exclusively populated by one side or the others. Id sooner endure 4 more years of Trump and hope we can turn things around than abandon all liberals living in red states.</quote>Putting up with 4 more years of Trump means exposing our youths to mandated right-wing propaganda like PragerU. And fortunately for us, a lot of conservatives are leaving California in droves due to the state's perceived left-wing ideology. The more we encourage them to leave, the better it'll be if the state is mostly filled with liberals, leftists, and even centrists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/10/24 9:54:41 PM #22:	I hope that people would be given the chance to move states before the borders lock down <cite>Zikten posted [p:981241395] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>I hope that people would be given the chance to move states before the borders lock down </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metralo 07/10/24 9:56:05 PM #23:	Zikten posted... I hope that people would be given the chance to move states before the borders lock down i think for once we shoulda feel lucky to live up here. unless trump surrenders us to putin which I wouldnt put it past him. not illegal! --- https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1298321979/image.jpg bustin makes me feel good <cite>metralo posted [p:981241407] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>I hope that people would be given the chance to move states before the borders lock down</quote>i think for once we shoulda feel lucky to live up here. unless trump surrenders us to putin which I wouldnt put it past him. not illegal! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metralo 07/10/24 9:57:00 PM #24:	Cory898 posted... As always this topic comes up with no indication how secession is supposed to work when one, there is no neat dividing line that separates the liberal part of America from the conservative part, and two, no state is exclusively populated by one side or the others. Id sooner endure 4 more years of Trump and hope we can turn things around than abandon all liberals living in red states. I don't know why this bears repeating, but there's no more "4 more years" lol. This is it. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1298321979/image.jpg bustin makes me feel good <cite>metralo posted [p:981241416] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Cory898 posted... </cite><quote>As always this topic comes up with no indication how secession is supposed to work when one, there is no neat dividing line that separates the liberal part of America from the conservative part, and two, no state is exclusively populated by one side or the others. Id sooner endure 4 more years of Trump and hope we can turn things around than abandon all liberals living in red states.</quote>I don't know why this bears repeating, but there's no more "4 more years" lol. This is it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cory898 07/10/24 10:01:17 PM #25:	Humble_Novice posted... Putting up with 4 more years of Trump means exposing our youths to mandated right-wing propaganda like PragerU. And fortunately for us, a lot of conservatives are leaving California in droves due to the state's perceived left-wing ideology. The more we encourage them to leave, the better it'll be if the state is mostly filled with liberals, leftists, and even centrists. lol. I stated what people who suggest secession never address and you singularly latched onto a fragment of a sentence about putting up with 4 more years of Trump. Guess that was easier than accounting for the fact that every state every city and even every neighborhood is a mix of ideologies. You CANT secede without abandoning countless citizens. Stop pretending its as simple as red and blue going their separate ways. Theres no way to divide it up. --- Probably the only Mario Maker 2 level I'll ever create worth sharing. 1RT-9RG-QKF <cite>Cory898 posted [p:981241484] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Humble_Novice posted... </cite><quote>Putting up with 4 more years of Trump means exposing our youths to mandated right-wing propaganda like PragerU. And fortunately for us, a lot of conservatives are leaving California in droves due to the state's perceived left-wing ideology. The more we encourage them to leave, the better it'll be if the state is mostly filled with liberals, leftists, and even centrists.</quote>lol. I stated what people who suggest secession never address and you singularly latched onto a fragment of a sentence about putting up with 4 more years of Trump. Guess that was easier than accounting for the fact that every state every city and even every neighborhood is a mix of ideologies. You CANT secede without abandoning countless citizens. Stop pretending its as simple as red and blue going their separate ways. Theres no way to divide it up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 07/10/24 10:02:06 PM #26:	metralo posted... i think for once we shoulda feel lucky to live up here. unless trump surrenders us to putin which I wouldnt put it past him. not illegal! Or Canada could take us in <cite>Zikten posted [p:981241503] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>metralo posted... </cite><quote>i think for once we shoulda feel lucky to live up here. unless trump surrenders us to putin which I wouldnt put it past him. not illegal!</quote>Or Canada could take us in</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cory898 07/10/24 10:04:15 PM #27:	Zikten posted... I hope that people would be given the chance to move states before the borders lock down No such thing would happen. Secession means abandoning Texas liberals to Abbots firing squads, a fact the TC would like to pretend isnt the reality of their fantasy. --- Probably the only Mario Maker 2 level I'll ever create worth sharing. 1RT-9RG-QKF <cite>Cory898 posted [p:981241547] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>I hope that people would be given the chance to move states before the borders lock down</quote>No such thing would happen. Secession means abandoning Texas liberals to Abbots firing squads, a fact the TC would like to pretend isnt the reality of their fantasy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bknight 07/10/24 10:04:16 PM #28:	Zikten posted... Or Canada could take us in Or going back to Mexico... <cite>bknight posted [p:981241548] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite><quote>Or Canada could take us in</quote>Or going back to Mexico...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 07/10/24 10:07:31 PM #29:	Inasmuch as we could all grow wings and fly. Secession is not a possible thing. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:981241590] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Inasmuch as we could all grow wings and fly. Secession is not a possible thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bat178 07/10/24 10:08:33 PM #30:	metralo posted... I don't know why this bears repeating, but there's no more "4 more years" lol. This is it. What happens when pumpkinhead inevitably croaks due to his old age and poor health? Fascist regimes tend to not survive the deaths of their leaders. --- "2001 called, it wants it's message board signature back....." - aarrgus <cite>Bat178 posted [p:981241606] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>metralo posted... </cite><quote>I don't know why this bears repeating, but there's no more "4 more years" lol. This is it.</quote>What happens when pumpkinhead inevitably croaks due to his old age and poor health? Fascist regimes tend to not survive the deaths of their leaders. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 07/10/24 10:08:44 PM #31:	Cory898 posted... No such thing would happen. Secession means abandoning Texas liberals to Abbots firing squads, a fact the TC would like to pretend isnt the reality of their fantasy. We'll all be sent to the firing squads eventually if we don't act fast. Also, liberals in Texas ought to just leave if things go south over there. Other blue states would be more than happy to welcome them. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:981241609] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Cory898 posted... </cite><quote>No such thing would happen. Secession means abandoning Texas liberals to Abbots firing squads, a fact the TC would like to pretend isnt the reality of their fantasy.</quote>We'll all be sent to the firing squads eventually if we don't act fast. Also, liberals in Texas ought to just leave if things go south over there. Other blue states would be more than happy to welcome them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 07/10/24 10:09:10 PM #32:	https://twitter.com/Bill_Gross/status/1324727348957048833 <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:981241617] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/Bill_Gross/status/1324727348957048833</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 07/10/24 10:09:53 PM #33:	Humble_Novice posted... Also, liberals in Texas ought to just leave if things go south over there. Are you repeating common dumb statements as a sort of meta joke You think they wouldn't have left if they could've? --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:981241638] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Humble_Novice posted... </cite><quote>Also, liberals in Texas ought to just leave if things go south over there.</quote>Are you repeating common dumb statements as a sort of meta jokeYou think they wouldn't have left if they could've? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 07/10/24 10:14:20 PM #34:	Guide posted... Are you repeating common dumb statements as a sort of meta joke You think they wouldn't have left if they could've? And why does California have to stay just because they can't leave Texas? The state gains nothing by letting Trump's government leech on their tax dollars. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:981241710] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Guide posted... </cite><quote>Are you repeating common dumb statements as a sort of meta jokeYou think they wouldn't have left if they could've?</quote>And why does California have to stay just because they can't leave Texas? The state gains nothing by letting Trump's government leech on their tax dollars.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 07/10/24 10:28:06 PM #35:	If California secedes, we'll definitely have to cut down on agricultural exports in order to alleviate the water supply issue. With atmospheric rivers and desalination plants, it could be achieved. We would also have to further strengthen our ties with like-minded countries like Mexico in order to continue trading. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:981241877] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>If California secedes, we'll definitely have to cut down on agricultural exports in order to alleviate the water supply issue. With atmospheric rivers and desalination plants, it could be achieved. We would also have to further strengthen our ties with like-minded countries like Mexico in order to continue trading.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 07/10/24 11:14:59 PM #36:	The more Republicans that leave California, the smoother a secession against a fascist-led America will be. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-exodus-continues-conservative-states-attract-blue-state-residents-report https://idahocapitalsun.com/2023/11/29/voter-registration-data-shows-california-republicans-not-liberals-are-flocking-to-idaho/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/california-population-decline-idaho-conservatives-b2545854.html https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-04/california-conservatives-republicans-leaving https://www.latimes.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/story/2024-01-18/anti-vaxxers-who-hate-californias-politics-are-leaving-fine <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:981242390] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>The more Republicans that leave California, the smoother a secession against a fascist-led America will be.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-exodus-continues-conservative-states-attract-blue-state-residents-reporthttps://idahocapitalsun.com/2023/11/29/voter-registration-data-shows-california-republicans-not-liberals-are-flocking-to-idaho/https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/california-population-decline-idaho-conservatives-b2545854.htmlhttps://www.latimes.com/california/story/2019-11-04/california-conservatives-republicans-leavinghttps://www.latimes.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/story/2024-01-18/anti-vaxxers-who-hate-californias-politics-are-leaving-fine</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shnangyboos 07/10/24 11:24:04 PM #37:	Only some bloodshed, but hey, we're talking about SAVING DEMOCRACY here. Something about how violence and bloodshed was necessary and successful some other time throughout all of history. --- How's my posting? Call http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/182361-human-resource-machine for any comments or concerns. <cite>shnangyboos posted [p:981242500] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Only some bloodshed, but hey, we're talking about SAVING DEMOCRACY here. Something about how violence and bloodshed was necessary and successful some other time throughout all of history. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 07/10/24 11:28:53 PM #38:	Like when people post this. Stuff you always have people saying. Well what about the minorities and LGBT people in red states are you going to leave them to hurt alone. Well guess what that is literally what we are doing now. --- Biden is the greatest President ever. <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:981242539] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Like when people post this. Stuff you always have people saying. Well what about the minorities and LGBT people in red states are you going to leave them to hurt alone. Well guess what that is literally what we are doing now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PowerMan5000000 07/10/24 11:29:44 PM #39:	Ok Humble now youre getting a little ridiculous --- Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? Galatians 4:16 <cite>PowerMan5000000 posted [p:981242547] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Ok Humble now youre getting a little ridiculous </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 07/10/24 11:32:09 PM #40:	cjsdowg posted... Like when people post this. Stuff you always have people saying. Well what about the minorities and LGBT people in red states are you going to leave them to hurt alone. Well guess what that is literally what we are doing now. With Trump helping implement Project 2025, there will be no more chances for Democrats to win at all. In fact, it's likely that the Democratic Party might go rightward instead. As such, leaving the union would be more fruitful than staying and being corrupted by far right influences. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:981242566] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite><quote>Like when people post this. Stuff you always have people saying. Well what about the minorities and LGBT people in red states are you going to leave them to hurt alone. Well guess what that is literally what we are doing now.</quote>With Trump helping implement Project 2025, there will be no more chances for Democrats to win at all. In fact, it's likely that the Democratic Party might go rightward instead. As such, leaving the union would be more fruitful than staying and being corrupted by far right influences.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 07/10/24 11:35:16 PM #41:	Humble_Novice posted... With Trump helping implement Project 2025, there will be no more chances for Democrats to win at all. In fact, it's likely that the Democratic Party might go rightward instead. As such, leaving the union would be more fruitful than staying and being corrupted by far right influences. Like that sucks and I live in Red State so I would be stuck. But overall that is the best play. Since Republicans can literally do whatever the hell they want to do. And Democrats are told just to vote harder. --- Biden is the greatest President ever. <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:981242595] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Humble_Novice posted... </cite><quote>With Trump helping implement Project 2025, there will be no more chances for Democrats to win at all. In fact, it's likely that the Democratic Party might go rightward instead. As such, leaving the union would be more fruitful than staying and being corrupted by far right influences.</quote>Like that sucks and I live in Red State so I would be stuck. But overall that is the best play. Since Republicans can literally do whatever the hell they want to do. And Democrats are told just to vote harder. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Humble_Novice 07/10/24 11:38:06 PM #42:	cjsdowg posted... Like that sucks and I live in Red State so I would be stuck. But overall that is the best play. Since Republicans can literally do whatever the hell they want to do. And Democrats are told just to vote harder. I'm sorry about your situation, but I do not want my state to gradually turn into a right-wing hellhole thanks to Trump. I'd rather that California cut its losses along with other blue states like Oregon or New York than stick around with a rotting government. <cite>Humble_Novice posted [p:981242628] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>cjsdowg posted... </cite><quote>Like that sucks and I live in Red State so I would be stuck. But overall that is the best play. Since Republicans can literally do whatever the hell they want to do. And Democrats are told just to vote harder.</quote>I'm sorry about your situation, but I do not want my state to gradually turn into a right-wing hellhole thanks to Trump. I'd rather that California cut its losses along with other blue states like Oregon or New York than stick around with a rotting government.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mybbqrules 07/10/24 11:43:49 PM #43:	Kradek posted... I don't think they'll get that choice. It's already illegal per Lawrence v TX, and while they could just ignore the SC like TX is, I don't think a fascist government will allow them to. You could immediately make the case that since the fascist government is not upholding the American constitution, that any authority they have is null and void. And I think California would tell Trump to fuck off. Yeah, go to war with the 5th largest economy in the world, see how that works out for you. --- Currently playing: Jurassic Word Evo 2, Fortnite STW, WoW, Punch-Out, Super Punch-Out, Project Zomboid Convicted felon Donald Trump: Inmate No. P01135809 <cite>mybbqrules posted [p:981242685] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Kradek posted... </cite><quote>I don't think they'll get that choice. It's already illegal per Lawrence v TX, and while they could just ignore the SC like TX is, I don't think a fascist government will allow them to.</quote>You could immediately make the case that since the fascist government is not upholding the American constitution, that any authority they have is null and void.And I think California would tell Trump to fuck off. Yeah, go to war with the 5th largest economy in the world, see how that works out for you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
buddhamonster 07/10/24 11:54:54 PM #44:	Cory898 posted... lol. I stated what people who suggest secession never address and you singularly latched onto a fragment of a sentence about putting up with 4 more years of Trump. Guess that was easier than accounting for the fact that every state every city and even every neighborhood is a mix of ideologies. You CANT secede without abandoning countless citizens. Stop pretending its as simple as red and blue going their separate ways. Theres no way to divide it up. You also can't break off of the country without a full-scale civil war breaking out. So, really, we won't be "leaving anybody behind". We'll just have "pockets of resistance that need libertating". The major deciding question is not which finely drawn line on a map you make, but who the military sides with, and which foreign powers come to the aid of the new liberal government. Because seccession isn't just going to be all the "liberal and conservative states" going their own way. It's going to be a bloody war where only one of the sides emerges victorious. Military might will be the deciding factor. The borders won't be drawn based off of ideology, but rather military prowess, and the ability to defend the front. --- Hey Trashcan Man! What did old lady Semple say when you burned her pension check? Boston Bruins - 2011 Stanley Cup Champs! <cite>buddhamonster posted [p:981242789] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Cory898 posted... </cite><quote>lol. I stated what people who suggest secession never address and you singularly latched onto a fragment of a sentence about putting up with 4 more years of Trump. Guess that was easier than accounting for the fact that every state every city and even every neighborhood is a mix of ideologies. You CANT secede without abandoning countless citizens. Stop pretending its as simple as red and blue going their separate ways. Theres no way to divide it up.</quote>You also can't break off of the country without a full-scale civil war breaking out.So, really, we won't be "leaving anybody behind". We'll just have "pockets of resistance that need libertating".The major deciding question is not which finely drawn line on a map you make, but who the military sides with, and which foreign powers come to the aid of the new liberal government. Because seccession isn't just going to be all the "liberal and conservative states" going their own way. It's going to be a bloody war where only one of the sides emerges victorious.Military might will be the deciding factor. The borders won't be drawn based off of ideology, but rather military prowess, and the ability to defend the front. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_Gear_Raxis 07/10/24 11:59:36 PM #45:	I disagree with the wording, "for good". Fascist governments springing up from previously democratic ones don't have a particularly good track record for staying around. --- As the morning sun rises, my lingering memories fade. I no longer see your silhouette. It's too far gone into the haze. <cite>Metal_Gear_Raxis posted [p:981242836] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>I disagree with the wording, "for good".Fascist governments springing up from previously democratic ones don't have a particularly good track record for staying around. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 07/11/24 12:42:59 AM #46:	Humble_Novice posted... And why does California have to stay just because they can't leave Texas? The state gains nothing by letting Trump's government leech on their tax dollars. Because secession is illegal and any serious attempt would be met with our own military. Not that a serious tempt would ever even come close to happening. Like you may as well ask "what if suddenly superman was real", it's about as likely. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:981243224] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>Humble_Novice posted... </cite><quote>And why does California have to stay just because they can't leave Texas? The state gains nothing by letting Trump's government leech on their tax dollars.</quote>Because secession is illegal and any serious attempt would be met with our own military. Not that a serious tempt would ever even come close to happening.Like you may as well ask "what if suddenly superman was real", it's about as likely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Charged151 07/11/24 12:44:59 AM #47:	UnholyMudcrab posted... Please stop --- I'm...the...master...of...ellipses... <cite>Charged151 posted [p:981243244] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>UnholyMudcrab posted... </cite><quote>Please stop</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 07/11/24 12:48:02 AM #48:	I think it's weird to fantasize about shit like this. --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:981243273] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>I think it's weird to fantasize about shit like this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamer167 07/11/24 12:50:36 AM #49:	TC needs to find some grass and touch it ASAP <cite>gamer167 posted [p:981243296] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>TC needs to find some grass and touch it ASAP</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_Gear_Raxis 07/11/24 1:18:10 AM #50:	gamer167 posted... TC needs to find some grass and touch it ASAP https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3ff6de82.jpg --- As the morning sun rises, my lingering memories fade. I no longer see your silhouette. It's too far gone into the haze. <cite>Metal_Gear_Raxis posted [p:981243494] in If America... [t:80807544]...</cite> <quote>gamer167 posted... </cite><quote>TC needs to find some grass and touch it ASAP</quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3ff6de82.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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