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dameon_reaper
07/16/24 4:41:46 PM
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I was a little kid and I'm a little embarrassed by it but for a long time I stopped watching Yu-Gi-Oh! when Joey lost to Marik in Battle City. The battle was really good and watching Joey get better and better in the tournament made me love him so when Joey was about to win and ended up losing, I got upset and quit the anime for awhile. Like a long time. Not because I hated it though.

Eventually I got over it but I'm watching the Japanese anime for the first time and I'm getting near that point and I realize just how badly they screwed his character up in the 4kids version...hell, I was reading how they kinda ruined him in the anime at all. Pretty sad....especially because Jonouchi has the makings of a real protagonist and I'd love to see him as a main character in his own series. Especially with a gambling theme deck.
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Phantom_Nook
07/16/24 4:44:45 PM
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Joey doesn't get protagonist magic to protect him like Yugi does.

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dameon_reaper
07/16/24 4:49:16 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
Joey doesn't get protagonist magic to protect him like Yugi does.


Technically there are plenty of times where his luck acts like it in such a way. I liked Yugi but as an adult I really think he's boring, especially compared to someone like Jonouchi who is seen as weak that eventually rises up. Maybe I'm just big on underdogs.
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ThePieReborn
07/16/24 4:54:11 PM
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I honestly think that the original mind control bit with Joey and Tea should have been nixed. Joey then beats Yami Marik in the semi finals, but still is KOed by shadow game shenanigans. Yami Marik then mind transfers over to the comatose Joey, and we have our emotional finals with Joey's soul on the line rather than normal Marik's.

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Gobstoppers12
07/16/24 5:05:44 PM
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Joey won, but the plot couldn't let him actually win. The implication being that Marik isn't actually that great of a duelist, he's just very powerful in Ancient Egyptian Magic which is outside of Joey's area of expertise.

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dameon_reaper
07/16/24 5:06:20 PM
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ThePieReborn posted...
I honestly think that the original mind control bit with Joey and Tea should have been nixed. Joey then beats Yami Marik in the semi finals, but still is KOed by shadow game shenanigans. Yami Marik then mind transfers over to the comatose Joey, and we have our emotional finals with Joey's soul on the line rather than normal Marik's.

I think that would have worked for me tbh. The filler arcs added a bunch of Joey losses too...Kaiba gets special treatment while Joey gets treated like shit and ends up being overlooked by the majority.
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Gobstoppers12
07/16/24 5:12:10 PM
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dameon_reaper posted...
I think that would have worked for me tbh. The filler arcs added a bunch of Joey losses too...Kaiba gets special treatment while Joey gets treated like shit and ends up being overlooked by the majority.
I like how Yugioh Abridged just had the episode where Joey loses in the filler tournament before the final arc, and even Kaiba was like "that's bullshit, he deserves better than that"


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dameon_reaper
07/16/24 5:42:53 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
I like how Yugioh Abridged just had the episode where Joey loses in the filler tournament before the final arc, and even Kaiba was like "that's bullshit, he deserves better than that"

I actually didn't finish Abridged but that's hilarious.
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Metal_Gear_Raxis
07/16/24 5:46:54 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
Joey doesn't get protagonist magic to protect him like Yugi does.
He runs a gambling deck, a lot of his wins come down to lucky dice rolls.

Also the only reason he had to face Marik's plot armor was because his own saved him from getting stomped by Odion in spite of him running a trap deck against fucking Jinzo.

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DrizztLink
07/16/24 5:48:50 PM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
Joey doesn't get protagonist magic to protect him like Yugi does.
Let's go ahead and call it what it is.

Cheating.

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ThePieReborn
07/16/24 5:52:13 PM
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Only Atem straight up cheats by willing his draw to be the card necessary to win. Yugi just has the silly plot armor like Kaiba.

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DrizztLink
07/16/24 5:52:47 PM
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ThePieReborn posted...
Only Atem straight up cheats by willing his draw to be the card necessary to win. Yugi just has the silly plot armor like Kaiba.
How often does Yugi actually duel in the important cases?

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
07/16/24 6:01:07 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
How often does Yugi actually duel in the important cases?
3.5 times.

Pegasus for a few turns in DK
Bandit Keith in BC
Bakura and Yami at the end

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dameon_reaper
07/16/24 6:06:31 PM
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
He runs a gambling deck, a lot of his wins come down to lucky dice rolls.

Also the only reason he had to face Marik's plot armor was because his own saved him from getting stomped by Odion in spite of him running a trap deck against fucking Jinzo.

I keep forgetting that's what his name is in the American dub. I'm watching the Odion versus Joey fight right now and I'm like "Haha, he has Jinzo" and now I was spoiled....its been like....20 years since I've seen this battle? Close to it? No, definitely 20.
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Unsuprised_Pika
07/16/24 6:09:08 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Joey won, but the plot couldn't let him actually win. The implication being that Marik isn't actually that great of a duelist, he's just very powerful in Ancient Egyptian Magic which is outside of Joey's area of expertise.

This is true.

Mai lost because Ra wouldn't work because she didn't know anciemt egyptian lol.

Also Ra had a bunch of hidden OP effects.

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mehmeh1
07/16/24 6:12:23 PM
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
3.5 times.

Pegasus for a few turns in DK
Bandit Keith in BC
Bakura and Yami at the end
Brainwashed Joey too IIRC

Either way, I'm convinced Takahashi wanted Joey to win the tournament, considering how he basically did beat Marik and it's implied he beat Yugi in their offscreen post-tournament duel

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dameon_reaper
07/16/24 6:12:47 PM
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
This is true.

Mai lost because Ra wouldn't work because she didn't know anciemt egyptian lol.

Also Ra had a bunch of hidden OP effects.


funny how they decided to start releasing its effects on other cards to support it lol.
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SydnieStarlight
07/16/24 6:26:26 PM
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Honestly, same. Joey was always my favorite right from the start. He wasn't some ancient Egyptian game god or too rich to fail, he was just a guy with guts, luck, and just enough wit to go toe to toe with the superpowers around him. And I love protagonists like that! He really deserved to win that duel, to show just how much he had grown and to let the tournament end properly on the promised duel between him and Yugi. And honestly, wouldn't it have been so cool to see the villain get taken out before even actually facing the main protagonist?~

Well, I guess it's not so bad. He did end up breaking out of the shadow realm through sheer force of will to cheer on his best friend. That's a heck of a feat~

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dameon_reaper
07/16/24 7:09:31 PM
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SydnieStarlight posted...
Honestly, same. Joey was always my favorite right from the start. He wasn't some ancient Egyptian game god or too rich to fail, he was just a guy with guts, luck, and just enough wit to go toe to toe with the superpowers around him. And I love protagonists like that! He really deserved to win that duel, to show just how much he had grown and to let the tournament end properly on the promised duel between him and Yugi. And honestly, wouldn't it have been so cool to see the villain get taken out before even actually facing the main protagonist?~

Well, I guess it's not so bad. He did end up breaking out of the shadow realm through sheer force of will to cheer on his best friend. That's a heck of a feat~

yeah, I feel like if he defeated Marik and Marik decided "Screw the rules"(haha) and ended up facing Yugi anyway, it would have been still something. I mean...I get the rules of the universe but there's so much cheating going on in this, its just strange that these same people who cheat and are considered evil somehow have a code of ethics. "I lost, therefore I have to give up my card" seems kinda....eh. lol
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SF_Okami
07/16/24 7:11:17 PM
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Bakura should have won it all. Hes the best

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Gobstoppers12
07/16/24 7:32:28 PM
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dameon_reaper posted...
I actually didn't finish Abridged but that's hilarious.
Neither have I, it's still going lol

It's honestly remarkable how the quality keeps increasing all these years later. There's only an episode or two per year these days, but they've stayed so good.

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dameon_reaper
07/16/24 8:10:34 PM
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Gobstoppers12 posted...
Neither have I, it's still going lol

It's honestly remarkable how the quality keeps increasing all these years later. There's only an episode or two per year these days, but they've stayed so good.

what? its still going? I didn't know that...I have to watch it from the start now
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Gobstoppers12
07/16/24 9:16:57 PM
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dameon_reaper posted...
what? its still going? I didn't know that...I have to watch it from the start now
Yeah, the episode I was talking about released 3 months ago

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Mystereave
07/16/24 9:28:25 PM
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dameon_reaper posted...
yeah, I feel like if he defeated Marik and Marik decided "Screw the rules"(haha) and ended up facing Yugi anyway, it would have been still something.

This basically is what happened anyway, though. Joey went comatose in the middle of declaring the winning attack, so he did on paper win the duel.

Also, related to this, but what exactly happened to Mai and Joey after their losses to Marik in the original Japanese? I know the Shadow Realm's a thing the dub invented, so did Joey just outright die or something? I'm assuming Mai was mind-broken or something.

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Unsuprised_Pika
07/17/24 8:20:12 AM
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Mystereave posted...
This basically is what happened anyway, though. Joey went comatose in the middle of declaring the winning attack, so he did on paper win the duel.

Also, related to this, but what exactly happened to Mai and Joey after their losses to Marik in the original Japanese? I know the Shadow Realm's a thing the dub invented, so did Joey just outright die or something? I'm assuming Mai was mind-broken or something.

Mai was in a coma. Joey straight up dies. He gets better but he is straight up clinicaly dead for a an hour or two

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ThePieReborn
07/17/24 10:52:17 AM
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Yeah, Mai got mind broken, and Joey was temporarily murdered.

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dameon_reaper
07/17/24 7:17:15 PM
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Mystereave posted...
This basically is what happened anyway, though. Joey went comatose in the middle of declaring the winning attack, so he did on paper win the duel.

Also, related to this, but what exactly happened to Mai and Joey after their losses to Marik in the original Japanese? I know the Shadow Realm's a thing the dub invented, so did Joey just outright die or something? I'm assuming Mai was mind-broken or something.

Yeah, that doesn't help me though. I need a hand lifted up and everything. Also, its funny how the shadow realm is and isn't made up at the same time. Its crazy
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StarFighters76
07/17/24 7:21:54 PM
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dameon_reaper posted...
what? its still going? I didn't know that...I have to watch it from the start now

Yeah, it'll probably be a couple more years before the filler arc is done, then who knows how many years till the Memory Arc is started/completed. Unless LK crams a bunch of single part episodes together, to where the total count of episodes is 100 (as a milestone). I think he's at Episode 86 or 87?

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mehmeh1
07/17/24 7:44:50 PM
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StarFighters76 posted...
Yeah, it'll probably be a couple more years before the filler arc is done, then who knows how many years till the Memory Arc is started/completed. Unless LK crams a bunch of single part episodes together, to where the total count of episodes is 100 (as a milestone). I think he's at Episode 86 or 87?
tbh I was thinking this arc was gonna be DBZA Garlic Jr'd, surprised it wasn't

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