Current Events > I went to an AA meeting today, and...I don't get it.

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Pepys_Monster 07/23/24 12:38:54 AM #1:	I'm glad that some of these people have been sober for years and are happier now. But if you've been sober for 7 years, why still go and say you're an alcoholic? Is it to inspire others? To socialize? --- Ryzen 3700X \| ASUS RTX 4070 Super 12GB \| 16GB DDR4 3200 \| Samsung 990 Pro 4TB <cite>Pepys_Monster posted [p:981416350] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>I'm glad that some of these people have been sober for years and are happier now. But if you've been sober for 7 years, why still go and say you're an alcoholic? Is it to inspire others? To socialize?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 07/23/24 12:41:39 AM #2:	Because addiction is a lifelong battle. Lucky for me I don't have an addiction to alcohol, but I can see how easy it is to fall back to bad habits. If this routine helps them stay off the stuff, then that's good. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:981416372] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Because addiction is a lifelong battle. Lucky for me I don't have an addiction to alcohol, but I can see how easy it is to fall back to bad habits. If this routine helps them stay off the stuff, then that's good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 07/23/24 12:42:18 AM #3:	Because it likely helps them stay consistent. This isn't hard to understand. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:981416378] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Because it likely helps them stay consistent. This isn't hard to understand. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 07/23/24 12:42:49 AM #4:	The routine keeps them sober. The program helps when they are tempted. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:981416383] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>The routine keeps them sober. The program helps when they are tempted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
leex0 07/23/24 12:43:33 AM #5:	Maybe that means you're not an Alcoholic and you can keep drinking :-) --- Blue ford 438 526 483 351? Silver kia White expedition dp Black armada 512 535 <cite>leex0 posted [p:981416390] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Maybe that means you're not an Alcoholic and you can keep drinking :-)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/23/24 12:44:12 AM #6:	Why do all these thin people go to the gym? what gives? --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:981416402] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Why do all these thin people go to the gym? what gives?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OriginalPlain2 07/23/24 12:44:33 AM #7:	alcoholism is a disease --- 41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? <cite>OriginalPlain2 posted [p:981416404] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>alcoholism is a disease </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sunburst 07/23/24 12:54:43 AM #9:	OriginalPlain2 posted... alcoholism is a disease This. And being sober 7 years doesn't mean you're not an alcoholic anymore. --- A True Friend leaves paw prints on your heart <cite>Sunburst posted [p:981416486] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>OriginalPlain2 posted... </cite><quote>alcoholism is a disease</quote>This. And being sober 7 years doesn't mean you're not an alcoholic anymore.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BewmHedshot 07/23/24 12:56:21 AM #10:	Who will the practicing alcoholics get help from if none of the sobers show up? <cite>BewmHedshot posted [p:981416502] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Who will the practicing alcoholics get help from if none of the sobers show up?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
solosnake 07/23/24 1:24:08 AM #11:	guess youve never really known a true addict. Its an absolutely horrible disease --- "We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping." ~ Dwyane Wade <cite>solosnake posted [p:981416717] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>guess youve never really known a true addict. Its an absolutely horrible disease</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mybbqrules 07/23/24 1:30:21 AM #12:	Pepys_Monster posted... I'm glad that some of these people have been sober for years and are happier now. But if you've been sober for 7 years, why still go and say you're an alcoholic? Is it to inspire others? To socialize? Just because you're not drinking any more doesn't mean you're not still an alcoholic. Alcoholics who are rehabilitating themselves have to wake up every day and *choose* not to drink. --- Currently playing: Jurassic Word Evo 2, Fortnite STW, WoW, Punch-Out, Super Punch-Out, Project Zomboid Convicted felon Donald Trump: Inmate No. P01135809 <cite>mybbqrules posted [p:981416757] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Pepys_Monster posted... </cite><quote>I'm glad that some of these people have been sober for years and are happier now. But if you've been sober for 7 years, why still go and say you're an alcoholic? Is it to inspire others? To socialize?</quote>Just because you're not drinking any more doesn't mean you're not still an alcoholic.Alcoholics who are rehabilitating themselves have to wake up every day and choose not to drink.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mybbqrules 07/23/24 1:31:24 AM #13:	UndefeatedGOAT posted... [7th moral grandstanding reply] Like you have a leg to stand on, Mr. "CE bigots were fun." --- Currently playing: Jurassic Word Evo 2, Fortnite STW, WoW, Punch-Out, Super Punch-Out, Project Zomboid Convicted felon Donald Trump: Inmate No. P01135809 <cite>mybbqrules posted [p:981416766] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>UndefeatedGOAT posted... </cite><quote>[7th moral grandstanding reply]</quote>Like you have a leg to stand on, Mr. "CE bigots were fun."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lvaneede 07/23/24 1:31:52 AM #14:	If you murdered someone 7 years ago, you're still a murderer --- Fact: Nintendo is the best, there is no point denying it. <cite>Lvaneede posted [p:981416772] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>If you murdered someone 7 years ago, you're still a murderer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReturnOfDevsman 07/23/24 1:35:40 AM #15:	What's weird to me is that the organization that has Anonymous in its name is most known for making you introduce yourself. I'm sure it makes sense in context but it's always been an amusing little irony to me. --- There's a difference between canon and not-stupid. <cite>ReturnOfDevsman posted [p:981416793] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>What's weird to me is that the organization that has Anonymous in its name is most known for making you introduce yourself.I'm sure it makes sense in context but it's always been an amusing little irony to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/23/24 1:41:18 AM #16:	ReturnOfDevsman posted... What's weird to me is that the organization that has Anonymous in its name is most known for making you introduce yourself. I'm sure it makes sense in context but it's always been an amusing little irony to me. You don't actually have to be honest. There's basically no enforcement of anything at those meetings. You can go, give a fake name, no one will question it. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:981416834] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfDevsman posted... </cite><quote>What's weird to me is that the organization that has Anonymous in its name is most known for making you introduce yourself.I'm sure it makes sense in context but it's always been an amusing little irony to me.</quote>You don't actually have to be honest. There's basically no enforcement of anything at those meetings. You can go, give a fake name, no one will question it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bass_X0 07/23/24 2:14:06 AM #18:	OriginalPlain2 posted... alcoholism is a disease which is why I dont drink alcohol, to avoid it. --- "Well, it's not a bad game. It's made by Capcom, so how could it?" ~ AVGN <cite>Bass_X0 posted [p:981417018] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>OriginalPlain2 posted... </cite><quote>alcoholism is a disease</quote>which is why I dont drink alcohol, to avoid it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 07/23/24 2:23:22 AM #19:	ReturnOfDevsman posted... What's weird to me is that the organization that has Anonymous in its name is most known for making you introduce yourself. I'm sure it makes sense in context but it's always been an amusing little irony to me. It's a bit of a unspoken rule that you don't talk about what was talked about or be like hey martin has joined the AA group to people outside the group Anyways I was a active drug addict for years. Quit for years and have had minor relapses. Like the urges may grow weaker and further apart but they never go away. All it takes is for it to hit you in a moment of weakness. My problem with AA is they fully expect you to keep going rest of your life. Like if I quit drinking at some point I'd like to be able to go long periods of time without thinking or talking about it because that can cause urges. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:981417068] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>ReturnOfDevsman posted... </cite><quote>What's weird to me is that the organization that has Anonymous in its name is most known for making you introduce yourself.I'm sure it makes sense in context but it's always been an amusing little irony to me.</quote>It's a bit of a unspoken rule that you don't talk about what was talked about or be like hey martin has joined the AA group to people outside the group Anyways I was a active drug addict for years. Quit for years and have had minor relapses. Like the urges may grow weaker and further apart but they never go away. All it takes is for it to hit you in a moment of weakness. My problem with AA is they fully expect you to keep going rest of your life. Like if I quit drinking at some point I'd like to be able to go long periods of time without thinking or talking about it because that can cause urges. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 07/23/24 2:29:38 AM #20:	Bass_X0 posted... which is why I dont drink alcohol, to avoid it. It's actually pretty hard to become a alcoholic if it's not typically in your nature to over indulge in things. The AA book makes out like you are basically born that way. Normal people can drink and decide well thats enough for the night. Or drink several days in a row and then just not drink for weeks or months. An alcoholic is gonna drink till they go to bed or pass out. They will drink anyday they can. Before I became a alcoholic I was a drug addict before that video games. Like if I wasn't at school I had to be playing a game. So that's just my nature I gotta have some kinda vice. Totally not encouraging you to give drinking a go though. Cause it's like what I told my niece. You can't miss what you've never had. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:981417109] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Bass_X0 posted... </cite><quote>which is why I dont drink alcohol, to avoid it.</quote>It's actually pretty hard to become a alcoholic if it's not typically in your nature to over indulge in things. The AA book makes out like you are basically born that way. Normal people can drink and decide well thats enough for the night. Or drink several days in a row and then just not drink for weeks or months. An alcoholic is gonna drink till they go to bed or pass out. They will drink anyday they can. Before I became a alcoholic I was a drug addict before that video games. Like if I wasn't at school I had to be playing a game. So that's just my nature I gotta have some kinda vice. Totally not encouraging you to give drinking a go though. Cause it's like what I told my niece. You can't miss what you've never had. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 07/23/24 2:35:22 AM #21:	Bass_X0 posted... which is why I dont drink alcohol, to avoid it. Alcoholism is something that develops as an abuse in order to escape from another problem. Getting drunk, even often won't make you an alcoholic. Getting drunk because it's the only way you can stop thinking about your divorce is what will do it. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:981417140] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Bass_X0 posted... </cite><quote>which is why I dont drink alcohol, to avoid it.</quote>Alcoholism is something that develops as an abuse in order to escape from another problem. Getting drunk, even often won't make you an alcoholic. Getting drunk because it's the only way you can stop thinking about your divorce is what will do it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nirvanas_Nox 07/23/24 2:44:38 AM #22:	Tyranthraxus posted... Alcoholism is something that develops as an abuse in order to escape from another problem. Getting drunk, even often won't make you an alcoholic. Getting drunk because it's the only way you can stop thinking about your divorce is what will do it. This. Alcohol is fine in moderation. I've only known one alcoholic and he refused to ever get any kind of help. I was also in a relationship with a guy who had a gambling addiction. However we ended up in Wendover one night before I knew about his problem and he blew all his money so he asked me for some. I was half asleep so I let him use my card and told him to only withdraw once. He did it 5 times and pretty much emptied my bank account and I still haven't been repaid. Same trip we get 5k from some nickel slots we split it and he blows through his share and then proceeds to take mine as well. Addiction isn't a joke. It's a serious disease and it ruins lives. The point of it is to have a community where you can receive help and support from others who have the same problem. Commiserating is a helpful thing you know? --- Kee Oth Rama Pancake <cite>Nirvanas_Nox posted [p:981417173] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>Alcoholism is something that develops as an abuse in order to escape from another problem. Getting drunk, even often won't make you an alcoholic. Getting drunk because it's the only way you can stop thinking about your divorce is what will do it.</quote>This. Alcohol is fine in moderation. I've only known one alcoholic and he refused to ever get any kind of help. I was also in a relationship with a guy who had a gambling addiction. However we ended up in Wendover one night before I knew about his problem and he blew all his money so he asked me for some. I was half asleep so I let him use my card and told him to only withdraw once. He did it 5 times and pretty much emptied my bank account and I still haven't been repaid. Same trip we get 5k from some nickel slots we split it and he blows through his share and then proceeds to take mine as well. Addiction isn't a joke. It's a serious disease and it ruins lives. The point of it is to have a community where you can receive help and support from others who have the same problem. Commiserating is a helpful thing you know?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 07/23/24 2:55:20 AM #23:	Tyranthraxus posted... Alcoholism is something that develops as an abuse in order to escape from another problem. Getting drunk, even often won't make you an alcoholic. Getting drunk because it's the only way you can stop thinking about your divorce is what will do it. Thing is nobody has been able to figure out what my problem was. I just started drinking for fun and it got worse and worse over time. As I said I think it's a me thing. I easily fall into addiction. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:981417203] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>Alcoholism is something that develops as an abuse in order to escape from another problem. Getting drunk, even often won't make you an alcoholic. Getting drunk because it's the only way you can stop thinking about your divorce is what will do it.</quote>Thing is nobody has been able to figure out what my problem was. I just started drinking for fun and it got worse and worse over time. As I said I think it's a me thing. I easily fall into addiction. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ssjevot 07/23/24 3:23:00 AM #24:	Tyranthraxus posted... Alcoholism is something that develops as an abuse in order to escape from another problem. Getting drunk, even often won't make you an alcoholic. Getting drunk because it's the only way you can stop thinking about your divorce is what will do it. This is not true and not a good way to look at it. People without problems can get addicted, people with lots of problems can not get addicted. The person talking about propensity toward addiction in general was much more accurate than this is. --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss <cite>ssjevot posted [p:981417322] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite><quote>Alcoholism is something that develops as an abuse in order to escape from another problem. Getting drunk, even often won't make you an alcoholic. Getting drunk because it's the only way you can stop thinking about your divorce is what will do it.</quote>This is not true and not a good way to look at it. People without problems can get addicted, people with lots of problems can not get addicted. The person talking about propensity toward addiction in general was much more accurate than this is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9 07/23/24 4:24:20 AM #25:	Isn't AA a predatory Jesus cult? I'd stay far away from there. --- http://i.imgur.com/NkZUeFd.gif <cite>kind9 posted [p:981417540] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Isn't AA a predatory Jesus cult? I'd stay far away from there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsNotA2Mer 07/23/24 4:28:59 AM #26:	kind9 posted... Isn't AA a predatory Jesus cult? No. kind9 posted... I'd stay far away from there. You definitely should. --- It is impossible to live in the past, difficult to live in the present, and a waste to live in the future. (He/Him). <cite>ItsNotA2Mer posted [p:981417552] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted... </cite><quote>Isn't AA a predatory Jesus cult?</quote>No.kind9 posted... </cite><quote>I'd stay far away from there.</quote>You definitely should.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 07/23/24 4:39:23 AM #27:	kind9 posted... Isn't AA a predatory Jesus cult? I'd stay far away from there. They have strayed away from mentioning God and instead say higher power. So there's still religious shit --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:981417593] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted... </cite><quote>Isn't AA a predatory Jesus cult? I'd stay far away from there.</quote>They have strayed away from mentioning God and instead say higher power. So there's still religious shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9 07/23/24 4:42:50 AM #28:	If their whole method involves getting you to answer to some "higher power" referred to as "God" or "Him" throughout their Big Book, then as far as I'm concerned they are preying on the vulnerable and teaching them to believe bullshit. Get secular therapy because AA doesn't know what they're doing. After googling this a bit, apparently they have a problem with sexual predators as well. --- http://i.imgur.com/NkZUeFd.gif <cite>kind9 posted [p:981417602] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>If their whole method involves getting you to answer to some "higher power" referred to as "God" or "Him" throughout their Big Book, then as far as I'm concerned they are preying on the vulnerable and teaching them to believe bullshit. Get secular therapy because AA doesn't know what they're doing. After googling this a bit, apparently they have a problem with sexual predators as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 07/23/24 4:44:37 AM #29:	kind9 posted... Isn't AA a predatory Jesus cult? I'd stay far away from there. From what I understand they ask you to acknolwedge and submit to a higher power in general, but they're not really all that fussed about which one. --- I fought the Trumble and the Trumble won. <cite>Trumble posted [p:981417612] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted... </cite><quote>Isn't AA a predatory Jesus cult? I'd stay far away from there.</quote>From what I understand they ask you to acknolwedge and submit to a higher power in general, but they're not really all that fussed about which one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 07/23/24 4:44:40 AM #30:	One of the most important things you can do if you want to change your life is to surround yourself in people who share your goal. If you try to change while continuing to surround yourself with people who helped you develop that problem, you're facing an uphill battle. This is why crossfit is so popular. You get to develop an entirely new friend group of people who want to work out with you. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:981417613] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>One of the most important things you can do if you want to change your life is to surround yourself in people who share your goal. If you try to change while continuing to surround yourself with people who helped you develop that problem, you're facing an uphill battle. This is why crossfit is so popular. You get to develop an entirely new friend group of people who want to work out with you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Enclave 07/23/24 4:48:43 AM #31:	An important thing to remember is that AA is NOT the only option. If it works for you? Fantastic. It's absolutely not for everyone though and there's many other options available, options that are not 12 step programs. So yeah, if AA isn't for you don't start thinking there's no help for you. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. <cite>Enclave posted [p:981417631] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>An important thing to remember is that AA is NOT the only option. If it works for you? Fantastic. It's absolutely not for everyone though and there's many other options available, options that are not 12 step programs.So yeah, if AA isn't for you don't start thinking there's no help for you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 07/23/24 4:53:28 AM #32:	kind9 posted... If their whole method involves getting you to answer to some "higher power" referred to as "God" or "Him" throughout their Big Book, then as far as I'm concerned they are preying on the vulnerable and teaching them to believe bullshit. Get secular therapy because AA doesn't know what they're doing. After googling this a bit, apparently they have a problem with sexual predators as well. They don't preach or anything they just push the idea you can't beat it without having some higher power to ask for help Atheist try doing the mental gymnastics of saying the room is their higher power aka the AA group itself --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:981417650] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted... </cite><quote>If their whole method involves getting you to answer to some "higher power" referred to as "God" or "Him" throughout their Big Book, then as far as I'm concerned they are preying on the vulnerable and teaching them to believe bullshit. Get secular therapy because AA doesn't know what they're doing. After googling this a bit, apparently they have a problem with sexual predators as well.</quote>They don't preach or anything they just push the idea you can't beat it without having some higher power to ask for help Atheist try doing the mental gymnastics of saying the room is their higher power aka the AA group itself </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 07/23/24 4:55:45 AM #33:	Enclave posted... An important thing to remember is that AA is NOT the only option. If it works for you? Fantastic. It's absolutely not for everyone though and there's many other options available, options that are not 12 step programs. So yeah, if AA isn't for you don't start thinking there's no help for you. Only other one I know of is called Smart recovery From what I understand unlike AA they start giving you the side eye if you are still coming after a certain point. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:981417659] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Enclave posted... </cite><quote>An important thing to remember is that AA is NOT the only option. If it works for you? Fantastic. It's absolutely not for everyone though and there's many other options available, options that are not 12 step programs.So yeah, if AA isn't for you don't start thinking there's no help for you.</quote>Only other one I know of is called Smart recoveryFrom what I understand unlike AA they start giving you the side eye if you are still coming after a certain point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Enclave 07/23/24 5:00:47 AM #34:	Sufferedphoenix posted... Only other one I know of is called Smart recovery From what I understand unlike AA they start giving you the side eye if you are still coming after a certain point. Google can show you various options for trying to tackle addiction. Most are not free like AA but if AA is not an option for you for some reason? There's options. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. <cite>Enclave posted [p:981417678] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoenix posted... </cite><quote>Only other one I know of is called Smart recoveryFrom what I understand unlike AA they start giving you the side eye if you are still coming after a certain point.</quote>Google can show you various options for trying to tackle addiction. Most are not free like AA but if AA is not an option for you for some reason? There's options. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 07/23/24 5:07:39 AM #35:	You're free to interpret 'higher power' any way you like. It can be the infinite universe, or your knowledge of self, or your friends and family, the comfort you get from knowing you aren't alone, or your will to resist substance abuse. AA is inclusive and will not shit on you for being an atheist. You don't have to believe in any god to do the programme. There are many different groups with different atmospheres and attendees. You have to find the right one for you. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:981417703] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>You're free to interpret 'higher power' any way you like. It can be the infinite universe, or your knowledge of self, or your friends and family, the comfort you get from knowing you aren't alone, or your will to resist substance abuse.AA is inclusive and will not shit on you for being an atheist. You don't have to believe in any god to do the programme.There are many different groups with different atmospheres and attendees. You have to find the right one for you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kind9 07/23/24 5:13:50 AM #36:	Sufferedphoenix posted... They don't preach or anything they just push the idea you can't beat it without having some higher power to ask for help Atheist try doing the mental gymnastics of saying the room is their higher power aka the AA group itself Interesting. I noticed a section in the "Big Book" about agnostics but no mention of atheists. Not that I'm trying to read that book. --- http://i.imgur.com/NkZUeFd.gif <cite>kind9 posted [p:981417728] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoenix posted... </cite><quote>They don't preach or anything they just push the idea you can't beat it without having some higher power to ask for help Atheist try doing the mental gymnastics of saying the room is their higher power aka the AA group itself</quote>Interesting. I noticed a section in the "Big Book" about agnostics but no mention of atheists. Not that I'm trying to read that book.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 07/23/24 5:15:23 AM #37:	ai123 posted... You're free to interpret 'higher power' any way you like. It can be the infinite universe, or your knowledge of self, or your friends and family, the comfort you get from knowing you aren't alone, or your will to resist substance abuse. AA is inclusive and will not shit on you for being an atheist. You don't have to believe in any god to do the programme. There are many different groups with different atmospheres and attendees. You have to find the right one for you. Probably depends which AA each one can be wildly different. My local one everyone's like in there 60s or 70s I couldn't hang with it and I bet they woulda been upset had I said I was atheist There is one in the nearby city I have been told it's mostly younger folks and it's like a party without the booze. I've heard some they just sit around and tell stories of shit they have done drunk --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:981417736] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>You're free to interpret 'higher power' any way you like. It can be the infinite universe, or your knowledge of self, or your friends and family, the comfort you get from knowing you aren't alone, or your will to resist substance abuse.AA is inclusive and will not shit on you for being an atheist. You don't have to believe in any god to do the programme.There are many different groups with different atmospheres and attendees. You have to find the right one for you.</quote>Probably depends which AA each one can be wildly different. My local one everyone's like in there 60s or 70s I couldn't hang with it and I bet they woulda been upset had I said I was atheistThere is one in the nearby city I have been told it's mostly younger folks and it's like a party without the booze. I've heard some they just sit around and tell stories of shit they have done drunk</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 07/23/24 5:17:17 AM #38:	kind9 posted... Interesting. I noticed a section in the "Big Book" about agnostics but no mention of atheists. Not that I'm trying to read that book. What's funny to me about the book is most of it not directed at the alcoholic themselves. There's like a section for the wife of the alcoholic a section for other familyand friends I think. Even a section for an employer who has a alcoholic employee. --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:981417742] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>kind9 posted... </cite><quote>Interesting. I noticed a section in the "Big Book" about agnostics but no mention of atheists. Not that I'm trying to read that book.</quote>What's funny to me about the book is most of it not directed at the alcoholic themselves. There's like a section for the wife of the alcoholic a section for other familyand friends I think. Even a section for an employer who has a alcoholic employee. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ai123 07/23/24 5:27:07 AM #39:	Sufferedphoenix posted... Probably depends which AA each one can be wildly different. My local one everyone's like in there 60s or 70s I couldn't hang with it and I bet they woulda been upset had I said I was atheist There is one in the nearby city I have been told it's mostly younger folks and it's like a party without the booze. I've heard some they just sit around and tell stories of shit they have done drunk Yeah, there's tens of thousands of AA groups in the US, and they have different characteristics depending on the demographics. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. <cite>ai123 posted [p:981417782] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoenix posted... </cite><quote>Probably depends which AA each one can be wildly different. My local one everyone's like in there 60s or 70s I couldn't hang with it and I bet they woulda been upset had I said I was atheistThere is one in the nearby city I have been told it's mostly younger folks and it's like a party without the booze. I've heard some they just sit around and tell stories of shit they have done drunk</quote>Yeah, there's tens of thousands of AA groups in the US, and they have different characteristics depending on the demographics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 07/23/24 5:29:59 AM #40:	ai123 posted... Yeah, there's tens of thousands of AA groups in the US, and they have different characteristics depending on the demographics. Have noticed they do not like anyone talking about drug addiction saw them make a man refer to his drug problem as alcohol problem --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:981417789] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>Yeah, there's tens of thousands of AA groups in the US, and they have different characteristics depending on the demographics.</quote>Have noticed they do not like anyone talking about drug addiction saw them make a man refer to his drug problem as alcohol problem</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 07/23/24 5:55:37 AM #41:	Sufferedphoenix posted... Have noticed they do not like anyone talking about drug addiction saw them make a man refer to his drug problem as alcohol problem Isn't there a seperate (affiliated) group for drug addictions? --- I fought the Trumble and the Trumble won. <cite>Trumble posted [p:981417899] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoenix posted... </cite><quote>Have noticed they do not like anyone talking about drug addiction saw them make a man refer to his drug problem as alcohol problem</quote>Isn't there a seperate (affiliated) group for drug addictions?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 07/23/24 5:57:49 AM #42:	Trumble posted... Isn't there a seperate (affiliated) group for drug addictions? Yeah NA I tried to look into that but I couldn't vibe with their book. Kept making references to as if you lived a life of crime like stealing to feed your addiction and shit like that. And I hear their meetings have a different kind of predator. Drug dealers looking to take advantage of someones weakness --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:981417909] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Trumble posted... </cite><quote>Isn't there a seperate (affiliated) group for drug addictions?</quote>Yeah NA I tried to look into that but I couldn't vibe with their book. Kept making references to as if you lived a life of crime like stealing to feed your addiction and shit like that. And I hear their meetings have a different kind of predator. Drug dealers looking to take advantage of someones weakness</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Verdekal 07/23/24 6:06:14 AM #43:	I've never been an addict but I imagine that speaking against it and inspiring others new to the battle helps yourself and feels rewarding for them. --- Don't tease the octopus, kids! <cite>Verdekal posted [p:981417963] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>I've never been an addict but I imagine that speaking against it and inspiring others new to the battle helps yourself and feels rewarding for them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 07/23/24 8:55:26 AM #45:	Verdekal posted... I've never been an addict but I imagine that speaking against it and inspiring others new to the battle helps yourself and feels rewarding for them. Most look down on it though. Go to a rehab center and meet the employees. A good chunk of them are recovering addicts themselves. The ones who aren't tend to be the unsympathetic assholes. Despite my addictions I used to be firmly in it's a choice not a disease camp. As largely as rehab failed me they did at least convince me it is a disease --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:981418986] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Verdekal posted... </cite><quote>I've never been an addict but I imagine that speaking against it and inspiring others new to the battle helps yourself and feels rewarding for them.</quote>Most look down on it though. Go to a rehab center and meet the employees. A good chunk of them are recovering addicts themselves. The ones who aren't tend to be the unsympathetic assholes. Despite my addictions I used to be firmly in it's a choice not a disease camp. As largely as rehab failed me they did at least convince me it is a disease</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ooger 07/23/24 8:56:21 AM #46:	ai123 posted... The routine keeps them sober. --- This signature is not political. <cite>ooger posted [p:981418992] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>ai123 posted... </cite><quote>The routine keeps them sober.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VeggetaX 07/23/24 8:58:25 AM #47:	TC was just looking to get educated. No need to get smart against him. Shit like that is toxic. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>VeggetaX posted [p:981419014] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>TC was just looking to get educated. No need to get smart against him. Shit like that is toxic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LtZim 07/23/24 9:07:54 AM #48:	I went to an AA meeting once and I didn't get it either. What's worse, one time I tried to check myself in for alcoholism treatment at the local clinic. It was advertised online that they accepted my insurance, and offered online treatment. So I did a 3 hour new patient intake, only to find out at the very end that they stopped doing online treatment, and only do 4-day/week in-person treatment between the hours of 8am - 1pm Mon-Fri. And that they don't actually take my insurance, every visit costs $450 until I hit my deductible ($7000). Including the visit I had just done. LMAO got cranked hard on that one So I went home and installed an alcohol diary app and didn't drink for a while and realized that I'm not an alcoholic, I'm just bored af and like to party with friends. <cite>LtZim posted [p:981419076] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>I went to an AA meeting once and I didn't get it either. What's worse, one time I tried to check myself in for alcoholism treatment at the local clinic. It was advertised online that they accepted my insurance, and offered online treatment.So I did a 3 hour new patient intake, only to find out at the very end that they stopped doing online treatment, and only do 4-day/week in-person treatment between the hours of 8am - 1pm Mon-Fri. And that they don't actually take my insurance, every visit costs $450 until I hit my deductible ($7000). Including the visit I had just done. LMAO got cranked hard on that oneSo I went home and installed an alcohol diary app and didn't drink for a while and realized that I'm not an alcoholic, I'm just bored af and like to party with friends.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BuzzKilljoy 07/23/24 9:14:17 AM #49:	Sufferedphoenix posted... It's actually pretty hard to become a alcoholic if it's not typically in your nature to over indulge in things. The AA book makes out like you are basically born that way. Normal people can drink and decide well thats enough for the night. Or drink several days in a row and then just not drink for weeks or months. An alcoholic is gonna drink till they go to bed or pass out. They will drink anyday they can. Before I became a alcoholic I was a drug addict before that video games. Like if I wasn't at school I had to be playing a game. So that's just my nature I gotta have some kinda vice. Totally not encouraging you to give drinking a go though. Cause it's like what I told my niece. You can't miss what you've never had. I disagree pretty sharply with some things you said in this post. Alcoholism takes a lot of different forms. There are plenty of binge drinkers who don't drink every day or don't drink to blackout and think that means they have their addiction under control. Some people find it easy not to start drinking but impossible to stop once they're on a roll. It's just way more complicated and nuanced than that I think. --- *Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?* <cite>BuzzKilljoy posted [p:981419131] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Sufferedphoenix posted... </cite><quote>It's actually pretty hard to become a alcoholic if it's not typically in your nature to over indulge in things. The AA book makes out like you are basically born that way. Normal people can drink and decide well thats enough for the night. Or drink several days in a row and then just not drink for weeks or months. An alcoholic is gonna drink till they go to bed or pass out. They will drink anyday they can. Before I became a alcoholic I was a drug addict before that video games. Like if I wasn't at school I had to be playing a game. So that's just my nature I gotta have some kinda vice. Totally not encouraging you to give drinking a go though. Cause it's like what I told my niece. You can't miss what you've never had.</quote>I disagree pretty sharply with some things you said in this post. Alcoholism takes a lot of different forms. There are plenty of binge drinkers who don't drink every day or don't drink to blackout and think that means they have their addiction under control. Some people find it easy not to start drinking but impossible to stop once they're on a roll.It's just way more complicated and nuanced than that I think.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sufferedphoenix 07/23/24 9:23:31 AM #50:	BuzzKilljoy posted... I disagree pretty sharply with some things you said in this post. Alcoholism takes a lot of different forms. There are plenty of binge drinkers who don't drink every day or don't drink to blackout and think that means they have their addiction under control. Some people find it easy not to start drinking but impossible to stop once they're on a roll. It's just way more complicated and nuanced than that I think. Yeah there are functional alcoholics. I can convince myself to not drink if got places I need to go aka got to drive. If I don't though I have no self control. I don't get blackout drunk though. At worst I forget the last few minutes before a fall asleep like I'll wake up and be like I don't remember getting in bed. But if I see evidence of stuff I did before laying down it comes back to me like I see a bowl I ate out of --- I put my heart and soul into my work and I fear I have lost my mind in the process <cite>Sufferedphoenix posted [p:981419212] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>BuzzKilljoy posted... </cite><quote>I disagree pretty sharply with some things you said in this post. Alcoholism takes a lot of different forms. There are plenty of binge drinkers who don't drink every day or don't drink to blackout and think that means they have their addiction under control. Some people find it easy not to start drinking but impossible to stop once they're on a roll.It's just way more complicated and nuanced than that I think.</quote>Yeah there are functional alcoholics. I can convince myself to not drink if got places I need to go aka got to drive. If I don't though I have no self control. I don't get blackout drunk though. At worst I forget the last few minutes before a fall asleep like I'll wake up and be like I don't remember getting in bed. But if I see evidence of stuff I did before laying down it comes back to me like I see a bowl I ate out of</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Weezy_Tha_Don 07/23/24 9:36:01 AM #51:	you need seasoned vets at those places to guide the rookies --- http://i.imgur.com/hwZyGuA.jpg - courtesy of the homie United_World haters can't stand me, like they got polio. <cite>Weezy_Tha_Don posted [p:981419343] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>you need seasoned vets at those places to guide the rookies </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LonelyStoner 07/23/24 9:38:00 AM #52:	Tried AA three times. It never stuck. It was too overtly religious for me, even though they say its not a religious program. I dont drink hard liquor anymore, though. --- He's all alone through the day and night. <cite>LonelyStoner posted [p:981419357] in I went to ... [t:80815156]...</cite> <quote>Tried AA three times. It never stuck. It was too overtly religious for me, even though they say its not a religious program. I dont drink hard liquor anymore, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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