Current Events > Republican news brags that they are rigging elections

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Hire more workers or make the mail in cutoff date earlier. Voting has a deadline and vote counting should also. You want them counting votes 90 days after the election?

This bill doesnt allocate funds to hire more workers. There are federal deadlines much sooner than 90 days. I dont mind them taking a couple days to ensure accuracy. Why do you emphasize speed over accuracy?

GranAures posted...

Then you should logically advocate for more poll workers and faster methods of counting.

Not throwing out piles of votes because you want to keep vote counts low.

The fact you advocate for throwing out anything not counted that day, regardless if it comes in earlier or at 11:59:59pm tells us exactly the kind of person you are.

More votes get counted which documentedly favors one party over the other which is why the other party loves making it harder to vote and harder for those votes to count.

If the mail in deadline is appropriate for the amount of time needed to get them counted properly then no votes will get thrown out. Is that difficult for you to understand?

You want them counting votes 90 days after the election?

Everyone should want ever valid vote to be counted.

Care to tell us why you don't?

Oh, and somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but counting mail in early not only immediately goes against "It's Election DAY" but actually isn't started until Election Day. But keep stumping for disenfranchisement, homeslice.
bfslick50 posted...

This bill doesnt allocate funds to hire more workers

Surprise. Surprise.

Almost like the bill being presented exists just to keep vote numbers down.

bfslick50 posted...

This bill doesnt allocate funds to hire more workers. There are federal deadlines much sooner than 90 days. I dont mind them taking a couple days to ensure accuracy. Why do you emphasize speed over accuracy?

I emphasize efficiency and having rules in place to attain certified results in a timely fashion. Having the voters sit around for 14 days not knowing who the Election winner is will creates tension on both sides that will cause harm to citizens.

We are better than that. We have all the resources to have this done and counted within 72 hours maximum. I'm actually shocked we don't already have rules in place making that mandatory.

I don't ever remember any stories about votes being counted weeks after the election during Bush or Obama elections? Why is that suddenly happening now?

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

If the mail in deadline is appropriate for the amount of time needed to get them counted properly then no votes will get thrown out. Is that difficult for you to understand?

And if the deadline isnt an appropriate length of time from when counting was allowed to begin?

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

If the mail in deadline is appropriate for the amount of time needed to get them counted properly then no votes will get thrown out. Is that difficult for you to understand?

The time isn't appropriate. There's absolutely nothing appropriate about giving people 13 hours to count ~5 million votes.

Tyranthraxus posted...

The time isn't appropriate. There's absolutely nothing appropriate about giving people 13 hours to count ~5 million votes.

Especially by hand. But anything to stan for throwing out votes.

Tyranthraxus posted...

The time isn't appropriate. There's absolutely nothing appropriate about giving people 13 hours to count ~5 million votes.

Start counting Absentee votes as they are received. The point is to have everything finalized as close to Election Day as possible.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

I emphasize efficiency and having rules in place to attain certified results in a timely fashion. Having the voters sit around for 14 days not knowing who the Election winner will creates tension on both sides that will cause harm to citizens.

Throwing out a citizens vote casted on time following all legal procedures causes harm to that citizen.

We waited a long time in 2000 and many other years, sometimes that happens when things are close. Waiting 14 days after a 18 month election campaign is not too long of a wait as long as both candidates project calm. One candidate screamed lies that they were trying to steal the election. He could and would have done that if the results were known immediately.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Start counting Absentee votes as they are received. The point is to have everything finalized as close to Election Day as possible.

That's literally what everyone wants but the law is actually start counting them at 7am on election Day and finish in 13 hours.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Start counting Absentee votes as they are received. The point is to have everything finalized as close to Election Day as possible.

In 2020 Georgia officials werent allowed to start before 7am Election Day and Im not sure that has been changed yet

The fucking circular logic of "Citizens lose faith in elections if the results take too long because citizens lose faith in elections if the results take too long." Where is the actual reasoning?

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Start counting Absentee votes as they are received. The point is to have everything finalized as close to Election Day as possible.

Are they doing this or are they just making it so votes that favour the other candidates are arbitrarily thrown out?

Anyway laws like this have a habit of getting thrown out by courts on the grounds of "no you can't just fucking change the election law a couple of months before the election"

tension on both sides

Tension came from one side, homeslice. The side pushing this "election integrity" bullshit to give them grounds to throw out votes they don't like because they want to push the same lies your boy pushed four fucking years ago.
bfslick50 posted...

Throwing out a citizens vote casted on time following all legal procedures causes harm to that citizen.

Bingo. One side caused tension, one side wants to throw out valid votes, one side wants to make it harder to vote and for a vote to be "legitimate."

bfslick50 posted...

In 2020 Georgia officials werent allowed to start before 7am Election Day and Im not sure that has been changed yet

I hope they get some common sense to change that rule. It would be so much better for them to be counted earlier rather than later.

Cheater87 posted...

Yet they scream and moan about democrats doing that lol.

I do think I could argue while not as much they have done shit too.

Coulda been a fuck up but this group did end up on news over some fuckery with election registrations. They where some group and they'd stand outside of places and encourage young people or anyone they saw to register. Well my grandad said to go register. So I did. I registered Republican (I no longer am btw) and guess who's name wasn't on the list when I showed up to vote.

Edit: just to say I don't feel the dem party has knowledge of what was going on. Just some independent group doing their own thing I feel.

Heavy D Forever with the shit take, who would have thought?

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tbh it is a bit crazy to still be counting a week or later, surely they can find more counters and/or improve the efficiency of their process

there was an election here (canada) around covid time that got an high number of mail-ins (for obvious reasons) and the elections staff were warning people it make take an unusually long time to determine the winner. by which they meant somewhere between 2-5 days. which is considered abnormal enough to comment on

Guess I'll have to vote in person this year. Sigh...

kirbymuncher posted...

surely they can find more counters and/or improve the efficiency of their process

Can does not equal will. But given the choice between a week, a month, or throwing out stacks of votes then the latter should never factor into any valid thought process.

The people pushing for this naked disenfranchisement of people's votes do not want every vote counted.
bfslick50 posted...

This bill doesnt allocate funds to hire more workers

Yazarogi posted...

Heavy D Forever with the shit take, who would have thought?

How long is too long for votes being counted after Election Day has ended?

Are you personally fine with votes being counted 60 days later? 90 days later? 6 months later? Give me a number.

kirbymuncher posted...

tbh it is a bit crazy to still be counting a week or later, surely they can find more counters and/or improve the efficiency of their process

there was an election here (canada) around covid time that got an high number of mail-ins (for obvious reasons) and the elections staff were warning people it make take an unusually long time to determine the winner. by which they meant somewhere between 2-5 days. which is considered abnormal enough to comment on

That only happens in Republican states where they prevent them from counting early votes before the polls close for propaganda reasons.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

How long is too long for votes being counted after Election Day has ended?

Are you personally fine with votes being counted 60 days later? 90 days later? 6 months later? Give me a number.

Making wild exaggerations does not assist your point, it just makes your argument weaker that all you can do is jump immediately to unrealistic extremes. This is a bill clearly targeting overseas troops and their families.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Making wild exaggerations does not assist your point, it just makes your argument weaker that all you can do is jump immediately to unrealistic extremes. This is a bill clearly targeting overseas troops and their families.

Honestly I think they should change the system all around but it won't happen because way it is now gets ratings for the news channels.

I think it should be radio silence while all states count. Then once every single vote is counted the news just goes down a list announcing which way each state went.

When I say radio silence I mean no state reporting who won in their state until every state confirms they are done counting

Are you personally fine with votes being counted 60 days later? 90 days later? 6 months later? Give me a number.

We all know that is a naked exaggeration to justify throwing out legal and valid votes but even then:
GranAures posted...

But given the choice between a week, a month, or throwing out stacks of votes then the latter should never factor into any valid thought process.

So again, homeslice, why are you fine with throwing out votes? Why do you feel the need to create exaggerations to support your need to throw out votes?

Or better yet, let's flip it on it's head:
What percentage of the vote are you willing to throw out to make sure every vote gets counted on Election DAY(your standard, nobody elses) since you were the one to bring the period of time as an argument and not anybody your demanding a number from.

BlackScythe0 posted...

Making wild exaggerations does not assist your point, it just makes your argument weaker that all you can do is jump immediately to unrealistic extremes. This is a bill clearly targeting overseas troops and their families.

This bill only applies to the state of Georgia. You think all Overseas Troops are mailing their ballots to Georgia? That doesn't even make sense.

Also the Overseas Troops are the only exemption that should be allowed for any vote counting deadline.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

How long is too long for votes being counted after Election Day has ended?

Are you personally fine with votes being counted 60 days later? 90 days later? 6 months later? Give me a number.

There's a timetable for the process that happens with the electoral college vote. As long as that process isn't delayed, why is there an actual problem other than people's feelings?

myusernameislame posted...

why is there an actual problem other than people's feelings?

That's the only reason. One side gets upset when they see the early numbers get over taken later because more votes got counted the next day/week/month.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

This bill only applies to the state of Georgia. You think all Overseas Troops are mailing their ballots to Georgia? That doesn't even make sense.

Also the Overseas Troops are the only exemption that should be allowed for any vote counting deadline.

You think there are no soldiers from Georgia?

Why are you attempting to justify this wholly unjustifiable bill? If they want things to be counted on the day they need to start counting them early like Florida not toss out 90% of the mail ballots. This is not justifiable.

BlackScythe0 posted...

You think there are no soldiers from Georgia?

Why are you attempting to justify this wholly unjustifiable bill? If they want things to be counted on the day they need to start counting them early like Florida not toss out 90% of the mail ballots. This is not justifiable.

I've already stated they should begin counting them early. There is no excuse for the results not to be finalized within 72 hours after voting is finished.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

How long is too long for votes being counted after Election Day has ended?

Are you personally fine with votes being counted 60 days later? 90 days later? 6 months later? Give me a number.

Do you think votes should be thrown out because the state deliberately hasn't allocated enough resources to count them within the arbitrary deadline?

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

I've already stated they should begin counting them early. There is no excuse for the results not to be finalized within 72 hours after voting is finished.

It's never worked that way before, states have never been called AFTER the counting stops. The news always calls them once they believe a lead has become insurmountable. You're just hopping onto the voter suppression band wagon for no reason.

BunkerBoy posted...

Do you think votes should be thrown out because the state deliberately hasn't allocated enough resources to count them within the arbitrary deadline?

He claimed Trump won the election in 2020, so........

BunkerBoy posted...

Do you think votes should be thrown out because the state deliberately hasn't allocated enough resources to count them within the arbitrary deadline?

I think the deadline for mailing in a ballot should be appropriate for the amount of time needed to get it counted by Election Day. It's really not complicated at all.

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

I think the deadline for mailing in a ballot should be appropriate for the amount of time needed to get it counted by Election Day. It's really not complicated at all.

The states are deliberately not allocating enough resources to count them and not letting them start early

ReiRei89 posted...

He claimed Trump won the election in 2020, so........

Shut the fuck up with this bullshit. I'm an Independent voter who's never even voted for Trump. I don't support either major party and despise the two party system.

ReiRei89 posted...

He claimed Trump won the election in 2020, so........

Holy shit, really? Lmao, didn't realize he was one of those morons

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Shut the fuck up with this bullshit. I'm an Independent voter who's never even voted for Trump. I don't support either major party and despise the two party system.

...Did you claim that Trump won in 2020, though?

Heavy_D_Forever posted...

Shut the fuck up with this bullshit. I'm an Independent voter who's never even voted for Trump. I don't support either major party and despise the two party system.

Then explain why you were suspended in 2020 after it was clear Trump lost? The mods pick on you or something for "voicing" your mind?

BunkerBoy posted...

Do you think votes should be thrown out because the state deliberately hasn't allocated enough resources to count them within the arbitrary deadline?

Or they get lost in an intentionally poorly funded postal system? Or one of the good old boys worried about "integrity" torches a drop box?

Etc, etc, etc, for the number of ways the party advocating what should be a completely unacceptable and undefendable standard. And yet, chuckles still need to try to defend throwing out votes.

Deej posted...

...Did you claim that Trump won in 2020, though?

Obviously not, he lost the Election and Biden is our President.

Eh? An insurrectionist survived the forum purge?

Rigging elections is horrible.

ReiRei89 posted...

Then explain why you were suspended in 2020 after it was clear Trump lost? The mods pick on you or something for "voicing" your mind?

What the fuck are you even talking about? You literally are making shit up.

I don't support either major party and despise the two party system.

And yet you are in here openly defending one major parties attempts to throw out votes