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saspa
09/02/24 1:50:14 PM
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I loved it, but I was also like wtf!

Went into this movie knowing absolutely nothing about it besides it's a movie by quinten tarantino and I thought it looked different from his usual fare.

When the movie specifically zoomed in on sharon tate and roman polanski, I was like holy shit is this gonna be a movie about the manson family sharon tate murders? I'm only vaguely aware of the story but even I knew enough to freak out when that stupid hippie girl led brad pitt to a ranch that had a whole bunch of women. I thought it was a prostitution ring at first but then at the end I was like "wait... that's the manson family thing isn't it"

Was not expecting an alternate history Tarantino fare. That ending got me so mad and so sad all at once. Knowing that's not what happened, it just makes what did all the more tragic

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saspa
09/02/24 1:59:06 PM
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I went in knowing that it was about the Sharon Tate murders. I honestly think it's super surprising that there's people out there who don't know anything about it. >_>

Not saying that's you OP but yeah.

Fantastic movie. QT has said it's meant to be a nostalgic movie for that era, with the violence at the end meant to be cathartic, as a sort of justice that should have happened.

I'm worried what it says about me witnessing the end with cathartic bloodlust and being "yeah, fuck that piece of shit murderer up, punch the ever loving shit out of him!" and cheering for the dog when he bit the dude. And same with the other monsters. Just wanted Brad Pitt to bash their brains in. Throughout that entire scene all the way until Leo burns them to a crisp and the police come.

Then after all that, the movie is still and quiet as sharon tate's friend peaks out and invites Leo to have dinner with him and sharon and their friends. And the movie just ends on that note.

Up until the end I thought that the event would still happen, but when the credits started rolling, I realized what Tarantino had done; he'd made Rick and Cliff the house that the murderers went to instead. And I was just left feeling so sad because of what actually happened in real life, and so enraged at those cult members. This is all very recent so I'm still overcome with emotion.

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ClayGuida
09/02/24 2:00:07 PM
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Can't wait to see what he gives us next.

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DodogamaRayBrst
09/02/24 2:00:36 PM
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The Bruce Lee part seemed mean-spirited, but I enjoyed the feet.
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MrResetti
09/02/24 2:01:33 PM
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*tongue click*
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Kurt_Russel
09/02/24 2:04:45 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/0e09902a.jpg

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SydnieStarlight
09/02/24 2:05:40 PM
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I watched it for the first time recently myself! The "twist" didn't really hit me because I went into it pretty uninformed about the Manson family. (Like, I was vaguely aware Manson was involved with murders, but that's it.) My mom had to explain the situation to me, and why the ending threw her off so much!

...that said, the movie definitely made some allegations make sense. There was an uncomfortable amount of emphasis on shots of the bare feet of girls who were (supposed to be) underage.

EDIT: After seeing the image in the post right before mine, I was reminded that I literally did the meme when I saw it in the movie~

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archizzy
09/02/24 2:07:08 PM
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Tarantino is always really hit or miss for me. Like Pulp Fiction is one of my favorite movies of all time. Fucking loved Django Unchained and some of his past movies. I wont go over the whole list. But some movies are a one and done for me and I dont care if I watch again.

This movie was an absolute hit for me. Loved it. Ive watched it about 15 times. Im older though and really familiar with the Manson family and the murders. As a kid I read the book Helter Skelter cowritten by Vincent Bugliosi who was prosecutor in the 1970 trials. Its a very detailed fact based first hand account of the family.

So I quite enjoyed Tarantinos spin on this and its always nice seeing late 60s Hollywood depicted. Brad and Leo were just great in this.

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Cornmuffins
09/02/24 2:08:05 PM
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UnholyMudcrab
09/02/24 2:09:58 PM
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I imagine the movie would look like nonsense to someone who doesn't know anything about the Manson family and the murders

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saspa
09/02/24 2:11:11 PM
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It was obviously intentional but throughout the movie there's a feeling of tension especially when the camera follows sharon tate around, and same when brad pitt goes to the cultists.

It's interesting, the movie is almost 3 hours of a snapshot into 1969 Hollywood, and we follow this guy Rick's career. And Leo absolutely brings it with a hilarious and awesome performance. His very first breakdown scene cracked me up, and the scene with the mirror left me in stitches. It's such a sharp contrast and juxtaposition with the manson family undertones.

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Tyranthraxus
09/02/24 2:12:53 PM
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Iirc Brad's character is loosely based on a real person, kind of like how Rocky Balboa & Apollo Creed are based on Chuck Wepner and Muhammad Ali

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DodogamaRayBrst
09/02/24 2:13:30 PM
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Also I'm not sure that the movie needed ot comment on Polanski, but Tarantino has made some pretty uncomfortable comments about him in relation to why it doesn't make said comments.

IIRC.
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archizzy
09/02/24 2:15:15 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Can't wait to see what he gives us next.

Im disappointed he decided against doing The Movie Critic. I liked the sound of it and being 1977 would have been a great setting. I think Brad would have nailed it. I think that could have been really good.

Im also disappointed we are way too far along to ever see that Vega Brothers prequel Double V Vega but John Travolta and Micheal Madsen are way too old now. That would have been legit had he been able to flesh out a story.


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saspa
09/02/24 2:17:27 PM
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What were we supposed to think of Brad Pitt's character though? The movie portrays him as an out of work stuntman who many say killed his wife. And the flashback almost implies that maybe he did.

How does that tie in with what later happens in the movie. Like is he meant to be forgiven for possibly/allegedly killing his wife because he prevented the murders of other people? What even was the point of that entire scene and added backstory, was it specifically a reference to that other Hollywood tragedy where a dude's wife was killed on a boat that Christopher Walken was on?

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UnholyMudcrab
09/02/24 2:18:43 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Iirc Brad's character is loosely based on a real person, kind of like how Rocky Balboa & Apollo Creed are based on Chuck Wepner and Muhammad Ali
I've heard that he's based on Gene LeBell, but I don't know if that's true or not.

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Baron_Ox
09/02/24 2:20:41 PM
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as far as the Sharon Tate storyline, I saw it, along with the title of the movie, as a Hollywood fairytale, where she was given a happy ending.

anyway, I really liked it.

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saspa
09/05/24 5:40:06 AM
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Me watching this movie going "oh, that's where that leo pointing pic is from!"

How weird that the internet made a meme reaction pic of 2 separate tarantino movies both with leo.

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Lazy_Haar
09/05/24 5:55:07 AM
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I didn't pay attention to the movie when it first came out and knew nothing about it, and when I first saw it, it was on TV and during the scene where Brad Pitt is murdering the Manson group, so I thought that he must've been the villain (I mean, think about how it looks if you miss the part where they break in and have no context). I eventually watched the whole thing and loved it, but I just find it funny how my first exposure to it was that specific scene, of all things.
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Joelypoely
09/05/24 6:09:25 AM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
I imagine the movie would look like nonsense to someone who doesn't know anything about the Manson family and the murders


That was exactly my experience. Didn't discover that until looking at some reviews afterwards.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
09/05/24 6:20:29 AM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
I imagine the movie would look like nonsense to someone who doesn't know anything about the Manson family and the murders


Can testify

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TomClark
09/05/24 6:28:33 AM
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I absolutely loved it. The ending definitely caught me off guard, haha.

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CADE_FOSTER
09/05/24 6:39:21 AM
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TomClark posted...
I absolutely loved it. The ending definitely caught me off guard, haha.

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Baron_Ox
09/05/24 8:58:04 AM
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TomClark posted...
I absolutely loved it. The ending definitely caught me off guard, haha.
yea, knowing how events really happened, I was feeling a lot of tension until the movie ended.

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masterpug53
09/05/24 9:31:26 AM
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The Manson family murders (and to a lesser extent the Rolling Stones' Altamont Speedway concert) are largely credited as being the end of the 60's sense of innocence. So I took the alternate history revision as not just justice for Tate and her friends, but also an alternate timeline where said societal innocence might have continued onward for some time.

And yeah, I grimaced hard when I first learned years ago that Tarantino of all people was going to make a movie about the Manson Family murders, but it turned out to be about as good and reverent of a movie as it could've possibly been under the circumstances. I'd say it's easily my favorite Tarantino flick since Kill Bill. And personally I had the same qualms watching the would-be murderers being brutally killed as I had when Hitler was machinegunned into red paste in Inglorious Basterds (i.e. none).

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MasterBlaster
09/05/24 9:43:21 AM
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I liked how it placed emphasis on the positivity of her character, always friendly and willing to help people. The focus on that seemed like a reminder of her life rather than just on her tragic ending (irl).

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ZevLoveDOOM
09/05/24 9:44:58 AM
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what i remember the most is that scene where Margot Robbie's character was at the movies with her bare feet... lol
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saspa
09/07/24 2:58:36 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQB_XovbEww

They play this at the beginning of the movie with the cult girls singing.

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FurryPhilosifer
09/07/24 3:22:32 PM
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To me the entire film felt like tension and buildup for the punchline of the ending. There's this building feeling of dread then brad pitt attacks the Tate murderers by throwing food tins at their heads and getting his dog to bite their balls.

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Oeoeo23
09/07/24 3:28:25 PM
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It's my 2nd favorite Tarantino

I basically have always thought of OUATIH as an alt-history fairy tale. Once Upon a Time --> happily ever after, even though in our timeline, happily ever after didn't happen.
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GuerrillaSoldier
09/07/24 3:32:43 PM
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a movie that's not very good. definitely one of those "you have to be american and know about this event" to enjoy it. it really didn't feel like a timeless classic by any means, no more than jackie brown was. also the bruce lee part was just dumb as hell and really puts a bad stain on it.


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ItsNotA2Mer
09/07/24 3:40:05 PM
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Cornmuffins posted...

Problem?

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saspa
09/08/24 12:10:52 PM
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FurryPhilosifer posted...
To me the entire film felt like tension and buildup for the punchline of the ending. There's this building feeling of dread then brad pitt attacks the Tate murderers by throwing food tins at their heads and getting his dog to bite their balls.

Yeah there were so many tense moments while watching, some in scenes as simple as Sharon Tate going to the movie theater but it's the way the camera was following her. I could feel the tension and wondered how this tension would come across to people who know absolutely nothing about the real life story. Would it seem weird, would they pick up on the tension, etc

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saspa
09/10/24 10:31:15 PM
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...
what i remember the most is that scene where Margot Robbie's character was at the movies with her bare feet... lol

Tarantino HAS to be memeing the foot thing by now

This is ridiculous, it has to be an in-joke at this point. There's a scene where Margot Robbie sharon Tate is watching a movie in a theater and putting her disgusting bare feet on the seat in front of her. And other members of the audience start doing it too. Oh and we have to see it from a front point view. Nasty.

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thronedfire2
09/10/24 10:36:30 PM
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maybe he just liked her feet in wolf of wall street

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saspa
09/11/24 9:28:30 AM
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Could someone explain something to me, everyone is praising Brad Pitt and saying that Pitt stole the show, not to mention he won the oscar. But I thought it was actually Leo who stole the show, dude was hilarious as an actor breaking down. That scene in the trailer after he screws up the take and threatening to blow his brains out left me gasping for air.

Not that Brad Pitt wasn't great, he was suave and charming and a great foil for Leo, it was clear that Cliff was basically Rick's steady rock, his paddle. He was great as a contrast to Leo's insecure crazy. And of course he made us fucking cheer when he started bashing those murderers' brains in. Plus it looks like he does care like when he goes to check on the ranch owner to see that the girls aren't taking advantage of him.

But then you have the flashback. I still can't get over the flashback of him (allegedly?) killing his wife. I don't know what to make of that scene in contrast with his actions during the rest of the movie.

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Oeoeo23
09/12/24 12:22:37 PM
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saspa posted...
I still can't get over the flashback of him (allegedly?) killing his wife.
If you ever feel like it, I recommend the book version of OUATIH, written by Tarantino. Very different focus, doesn't contradict anything in the movie, but, for example, the big finale in the movie is mentioned briefly in the first half of the book and then not revisited. There's a lot more focus on Hollywood and Rick Dalton's character, a lot of focus too on the Lancer show, lots more on Cliff Booth and the dog Brandy and more on the Pussycat character.

Anyway, my point: Cliff did kill his wife, intentionally but without planning it. Not allegedly, he did it, with the speargun, and it's literally the next second after the movie cuts away.

I love the movie so it's easy to recommend the book. I love them both.
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saspa
09/12/24 1:02:57 PM
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Oeoeo23 posted...

If you ever feel like it, I recommend the book version of OUATIH, written by Tarantino. Very different focus, doesn't contradict anything in the movie, but, for example, the big finale in the movie is mentioned briefly in the first half of the book and then not revisited. There's a lot more focus on Hollywood and Rick Dalton's character, a lot of focus too on the Lancer show, lots more on Cliff Booth and the dog Brandy and more on the Pussycat character.

Anyway, my point: Cliff did kill his wife, intentionally but without planning it. Not allegedly, he did it, with the speargun, and it's literally the next second after the movie cuts away.

I love the movie so it's easy to recommend the book. I love them both.

But knowing this... now how am I supposed to feel? Killing his wife and getting away with it to boot is beyond scumbag material, and almost puts him in the category of those monsters. I just don't know what tarantino is trying to say here

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Tyranthraxus
09/12/24 1:06:55 PM
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saspa posted...
But knowing this... now how am I supposed to feel? Killing his wife and getting away with it to boot is beyond scumbag material, and almost puts him in the category of those monsters. I just don't know what tarantino is trying to say here

We also know what Roman Polanski did. I'm pretty sure he's just trying to say the people who built Hollywood are fucking nasty ass people. Murderers, rapists, domestic abusers, and horrific racism is the root of Hollywood.

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