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Kim_Seong-a
09/11/24 3:54:54 AM
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Sample size isn't worth anything statistically, but gives you an idea of the mindset of "undecided voters".

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/some-undecided-voters-not-convinced-by-harris-after-debate-with-trump-2024-09-11/

Harris and Trump are in a tight race and the election will likely be decided by just tens of thousands of votes in a handful of battleground states, many of whom are swing voters like the undecided voters who spoke to Reuters.
Although the sample size was small, the responses suggested Harris might need to provide more detailed policy proposals to win over voters who have yet to make up their minds.
Five said they found Harris vague during the more than 90-minute debate on how she would improve the U.S. economy and deal with the high cost of living, a top concern for voters.

The Trump converts said they trusted him more on the economy, even though all said they did not like him as a person. They said their personal financial situation had been better when he was president between 2017-2021. Some singled out his proposal to tax foreign imports, although economists say that is likely to raise prices.
Four of those six also said Harris did not convince them she would pursue different economic policies than Democratic President Joe Biden, a Democrat they largely blame for the high cost of living.

"I still don't know what she is for," said Mark Kadish, 61, an entrepreneur in Florida. "There was no real meat and bones for her plans."

Robert Wheeler, 48, a security firm executive in Nevada, was leaning toward Harris before the debate. He now says if the election were held tomorrow he would vote for Trump, largely because he thought Harris didn't provide clarity on her policies.
"I felt like the whole debate was Kamala Harris telling me why not to vote for Donald Trump instead of why she's the right candidate," Wheeler said.

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Kradek
09/11/24 3:56:20 AM
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Kim_Seong-a posted...
"I still don't know what she is for," said Mark Kadish, 61, an entrepreneur in Florida. "There was no real meat and bones for her plans."


Kim_Seong-a posted...
Robert Wheeler, 48, a security firm executive in Nevada, was leaning toward Harris before the debate. He now says if the election were held tomorrow he would vote for Trump, largely because he thought Harris didn't provide clarity on her policies.
"I felt like the whole debate was Kamala Harris telling me why not to vote for Donald Trump instead of why she's the right candidate," Wheeler said.

Pretty clear these people just have selective hearing and/or just tune her out when she speaks. She got quite detailed even if not with every answer. She at least gave a general basis of how she'd get something done even if it'd never pass Congress.

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UnholyMudcrab
09/11/24 3:57:59 AM
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"I didn't hear her give a detailed breakdown of her entire policy, so I have no choice but to vote for the guy who was ranting about immigrants eating cats and dogs"

None of these people are actually undecided.

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Kim_Seong-a
09/11/24 3:59:29 AM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
None of these people are actually undecided.

Occam's razor leads me to believe this but I can't discount the possibility that a large population of the US really are just that stupid >_>

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nocturnal_traveler
09/11/24 4:00:53 AM
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This doesn't sound real.

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Aloc
09/11/24 4:02:54 AM
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Reuters wants Trump to win

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TomClark
09/11/24 4:04:31 AM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
None of these people are actually undecided.



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LeTigre
09/11/24 4:06:27 AM
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Kim_Seong-a posted...
Occam's razor leads me to believe this but I can't discount the possibility that a large population of the US really are just that stupid >_>

both can be true tho

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Baphometa
09/11/24 4:08:13 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0ZZKc5m2lw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAG37Kw1-aw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RukOATasDbs

Just some informational videos about undecided voters.
These are not serious people. If you think Harris didn't explain her plan well enough that you're considering voting for Trump...
Everything from January to November is just to drive/diminish turnout. You saw how voter apathy between Biden's debate performance and his handling of Israel/Palestine. Some events can drive turnout, some events can diminish it. No one serious is unaware of who the candidates are or their platforms, though there are low information voters who can get hooked by an idea.

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divot1338
09/11/24 4:10:54 AM
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If it makes you feel better the election will actually be decided based on how many Democratic voters show up and how many get ratfucked by Republicans.

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GrandConjuraton
09/11/24 4:19:31 AM
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There's no way these people were actually undecided.

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St0rmFury
09/11/24 4:21:24 AM
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I guess they prefer Trump's concept of plans.

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ItsNotA2Mer
09/11/24 4:25:30 AM
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"Undecided"

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tremain07
09/11/24 4:31:26 AM
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A stupid vote matters just as much as an educated vote and there are a lot of stupid people in this country

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ZevLoveDOOM
09/11/24 4:35:26 AM
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how is this an undecision??

its quite simple really: just, you know, dont vote for the demented orange clown! lol
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StaroxideReal
09/11/24 4:50:36 AM
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I'm not sure how you can say Harris didn't have any meat and bones to her plans when Trump didn't even actually explain anything about his plans in any sort of coherent manner. Like I guess you can say that he wanted to do the same things he wanted to do when he was president but it felt like he just wanted to rant about illegal immigrants eating dogs and democrats killing infants than anything.

ETA: No wait, he has a concept of a plan which I guess counts...?

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008Zulu
09/11/24 4:51:47 AM
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ZevLoveDOOM posted...
how is this an undecision??

its quite simple really: just, you know, dont vote for the demented orange clown! lol
Given how dumb a lot of people are, that would require too much to think about.

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kind9
09/11/24 4:54:40 AM
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Can we just call them Trump supporters at this point? I mean how willfully ignorant can you be to still be undecided? Two months until the election.

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GranAures
09/11/24 4:58:57 AM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
"I didn't hear her give a detailed breakdown of her entire policy, so I have no choice but to vote for the guy who was ranting about immigrants eating cats and dogs"
And got fact checked live on it.
UnholyMudcrab posted...
None of these people are actually undecided.


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pinky0926
09/11/24 5:07:11 AM
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I'd love to hear these people break down Trump's economic policy in detail. Actually even summarise it. Give a single line on a post-it, even.

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Azn_Psycho
09/11/24 5:19:46 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
I'd love to hear these people break down Trump's economic policy in detail. Actually even summarise it. Give a single line on a post-it, even.

Dumbfuck's economic policy is to give him more money

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Deej
09/11/24 5:59:33 AM
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StaroxideReal posted...
I'm not sure how you can say Harris didn't have any meat and bones to her plans when Trump didn't even actually explain anything about his plans in any sort of coherent manner.
In fact, he straight up didn't have any plans at all. He had concepts of a plan. And some people will still desperately try to say that Trump won that debate lmao

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buddhamonster
09/11/24 6:19:46 AM
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Outside of the fact that these fuckwits were never actually undecided, it still baffles me that she can get dismissed for having no policy while he gets a complete free pass.

Trump on Ukraine: It wouldnt have happened under me, and my plan to fix it is to tell everyone to knock it off!

Trump on Israel: It wouldnt have happened under me, and my plan to fix it is to tell everyone to knock it off!

Trump on Obamacare: After eight years of Obamas Presidency, 4 under me, and another 3 under Biden, I declare the system to be completely unfixable. So broken, it can't even be replaced. We have many of the bigliest concepts possible in the works though!

Trump on kids being shot to death in school: It is what it is. Theres not a single conceivable thing to be done!

Trump on taxes: As long as me and my billionaire buddies pay less, I dont give a fuck!

Trump on inflation: Its all Bidens fault, and I have no intention of fixing it because that means my billionaire buddies wont make record profits anymore!

Undecided people: This guy is some kind of policy genius or something!!!!!!

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TheSuperSilver
09/11/24 6:20:03 AM
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"I still don't know what she is for," said Mark Kadish, 61, an entrepreneur in Florida. "There was no real meat and bones for her plans."

Robert Wheeler, 48, a security firm executive in Nevada, was leaning toward Harris before the debate. He now says if the election were held tomorrow he would vote for Trump, largely because he thought Harris didn't provide clarity on her policies.
"I felt like the whole debate was Kamala Harris telling me why not to vote for Donald Trump instead of why she's the right candidate," Wheeler said

Anybody speaking this nonsense after watching that debate was never an "undecided voter" to begin with so let's just get that out of the way.

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Sonixs
09/11/24 6:20:13 AM
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No "undecided" voter watched Trump ramble like a lunatic yesterday and is still undecided lol
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Sonixs
09/11/24 6:21:38 AM
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Trump has been running for president since 2014. Like there's no such thing as an undecided voter in the age of Trump.
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1NfamousACE_2
09/11/24 6:51:42 AM
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Trump is not held to the same standard as Harris

These people want everyone of Harris policies and how shell implement them but Trump can have a concept of a plan and they wont question it


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Sonixs
09/11/24 7:00:26 AM
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Trump is not held to the same standard as Harris

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Sansoldier
09/11/24 7:05:55 AM
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Harris described like 5 economic policies in decent detail multiple times during the debate. They're not undecided.

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nocturnal_traveler
09/11/24 7:07:53 AM
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I guess I can add reuters to the list of polls I can no longer trust.

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PeteyParker
09/11/24 7:08:00 AM
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Kim_Seong-a posted...
Robert Wheeler, 48, a security firm executive in Nevada, was leaning toward Harris before the debate. He now says if the election were held tomorrow he would vote for Trump, largely because he thought Harris didn't provide clarity on her policies.
"I felt like the whole debate was Kamala Harris telling me why not to vote for Donald Trump instead of why she's the right candidate," Wheeler said.

Sounds like Robert Wheeler is lying and never actually was "undecided". What policies did Trump list during the debate? He was ranting about "people eating dogs" and "gender reassignment surgeries being conducted on illegal aliens in prison"

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KnightofShikari
09/11/24 7:10:08 AM
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Sansoldier posted...
Harris described like 5 economic policies in decent detail multiple times during the debate. They're not undecided.
she didn't speed read through her 3000 page policy in the one minute she was allowed, so she obviously has nothing!
meanwhile, trump can diarrhea mouth "kamala bad concept maybe later" for two minutes and that means he's got everything figured out

what a fucking joke these "undecided" are

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hmnut7
09/11/24 7:12:11 AM
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Kradek posted...
Pretty clear these people just have selective hearing and/or just tune her out when she speaks. She got quite detailed even if not with every answer. She at least gave a general basis of how she'd get something done even if it'd never pass Congress.
This is probably LITERALLY true.

The classic men whose brains shut off when a woman starts talking.

Many women in the workplace have been the victim of this, where they could say something, no one listens then five seconds later a man says the same exact thing and suddenly everyone says it's a great idea.

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El_Marsh
09/11/24 7:26:50 AM
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"Undecided" voters are about as ridiculous as birthers.

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Foppe
09/11/24 7:32:18 AM
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Robert Wheeler: Trump got a plan to stop the illegal dog-eating aliens. Harris just laugh and want our pets to get esten!

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pinky0926
09/11/24 8:28:02 AM
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I just heard an undecided voter on the radio say "Well Kamala Harris did pretty well with the low expectations people put on her and the softball questions" immediately after congratulating Trump on handling things well, I fucking wheezed

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Southernfatman
09/11/24 8:32:13 AM
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The media is full of it and knows they aren't picking "undecided" voters. You have to be pretty damn stupid to be undecided at this point, but no way the media isn't deliberately picking Trumpers for this kind of crap.

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gatorsPENSbucs
09/11/24 8:32:43 AM
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pinky0926 posted...
I just heard an undecided voter on the radio say

Your radio stations talk a lot about American politics? Thats pretty interesting.


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pinky0926
09/11/24 8:33:38 AM
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...
Your radio stations talk a lot about American politics? Thats pretty interesting.

Honestly it's incredibly fucking annoying

At this point I know more about the US election than any of my local ones

The news is about entertainment, not about being informed. And your political celebrities are whackier than ours.

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LeCh0nk
09/11/24 8:35:06 AM
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Those people are about as undecided as fucking Diceheist. What a farce.

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ai123
09/11/24 8:35:58 AM
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Here's some more 'undecideds'.

BBC News - Undecided Americans impressed by Harris - but will debate shift their votes?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ceq53wvpe5xo


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pazzy
09/11/24 8:37:06 AM
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They aren't undecided. The only thing media is doing when they say this is showing how dishonest they are.
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Tanthalas
09/11/24 8:38:07 AM
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I dont think she gave enough details about how she would improve the economy, thats why Ill be voting for the guy ranting about immigrants eating my pets and Democrats aborting babies after birth.

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FearlessMango
09/11/24 8:39:51 AM
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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
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I think about this a lot, especially since 2016

it just continues to ring truer and truer as you come across trump supporters and "undecided voters"

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Cemith
09/11/24 8:40:13 AM
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Anyone that trusts Trump after he said, on live TV, that jailed illegal immigrants are getting transition surgery on their way to eat pets is simply undeserving of sympathy

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Cory898
09/11/24 8:41:17 AM
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People always call a non vote the same thing as voting for the other person. By not voting or voting 3rd party youre helping Trump win. But at this point if youre looking at a dignified candidate like Kamala standing next to a rabid pile of sludge throwing handfuls of shit at the walls while pissing on the floor and saying hmmm, Im just not sure then clearly you find something appealing about piss and shit and sludge. Ill happily accept your non vote.

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Squall28
09/11/24 8:46:03 AM
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Kradek posted...
Pretty clear these people just have selective hearing and/or just tune her out when she speaks. She got quite detailed even if not with every answer. She at least gave a general basis of how she'd get something done even if it'd never pass Congress.

I'm pretty sure she's just going over their heads. All their processing is that prices were lower when Trump is in office

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LightHawKnight
09/11/24 8:52:20 AM
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Undecided voters are just MAGA pretending.

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buddhamonster
09/11/24 8:54:50 AM
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Cemith posted...
Anyone that trusts Trump after he said, on live TV, that jailed illegal immigrants are getting transition surgery on their way to eat pets is simply undeserving of sympathy
Yea, but Kamala never did tell us her policy plans for dealing with the previously mentioned army of transitioned illegal immigrant armies eating our pets, so really, I have no choice but to vote Trump!

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