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I had a look at a Polestar 2 when I was thinking about an EV. That's the one I'd probably buy.

I think Teslas are probably better value/more convenient in the US, but not so much in the UK.

I'll never get a Tesla, especially because of Musk.

Luigi_and_Tails posted...

Crikey, I missed this earlier. I'm not sure where you're from, but public transport is pretty decent, right? Yes, you'll see weirdos there now and then, but probably less than idiotic drivers.

I understand if you're somewhere in the Aussie outback or if you're somewhere in rural Wales, it makes sense to drive, but for the most part, why wouldn't you use public transport if it's available?

I'll happily bet a year's salary that I've taken more public transport this year, than I've driven my Ferrari.

California.
Technically we do have some strong operating public transport systems, but the time efficiency doesn't work for a lot of people working higher end jobs and managing families. Bad drivers surely exist, but my work shift is at relatively earlier hours.

I_is_smart posted...

Just gonna leave this here
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/011d4db0.jpg

lmao. That shows that even when down 13% on year Tesla is still selling more vehicles than all the other manufacturers combined on that list

just noticed the username haha, nice

if they got rid of cancer elon they would be fine but nooo

solosnake posted...

lmao. That shows that even when down 13% on year Tesla is still selling more vehicles than all the other manufacturers combined on that list

Only more EVs. The other companies are more concerned with selling internal combustion vehicles. We could've had China coming in, absolutely destroying Tesla and providing affordable EVs, but Musk got his buddies in government to slap on 100% tariffs to start and to look into options for outright banning Chinese vehicles for good measure.

1337toothbrush posted...

Only more EVs. The other companies are more concerned with selling internal combustion vehicles. We could've had China coming in, absolutely destroying Tesla and providing affordable EVs, but Musk got his buddies in government to slap on 100% tariffs to start and to look into options for outright banning Chinese vehicles for good measure.

Chinese EVs arent destroying Tesla in China. Legacy auto brands got Chinese cars tariffed/banned because they cant compete. Legacy auto has deep entrenched lobbying groups, Tesla doesnt.

Krojen posted...

Chinese EVs arent destroying Tesla in China. Legacy auto brands got Chinese cars tariffed/banned because they cant compete. Legacy auto has deep entrenched lobbying groups, Tesla doesnt.

https://cnevpost.com/2024/01/10/automakers-nev-market-share-in-china-in-2023/

and tesla has only lost market share since then and will continue to do so.

They could offer it for free, I'd still rather chain my ankles to an EV not peddled by an apartheidist and let it drag me facedown clear to Albuquerque.

Just finished paying mine off a few months ago, 2.5% interest.

How much is fsd these days anyway?

emblem-man posted...

How much is fsd these days anyway?

its $8,000. Honestly not worth it since you can just pay $99 a month when you need it. Would take subbing like 7 years straight to be more cost effective to buy it outright. I imagine by then it will probably just become standard in all teslas. Not to mention you probably would be better off trading the vehicle in as technology advances with EVs than keeping it 7+ years

1337toothbrush posted...

https://cnevpost.com/2024/01/10/automakers-nev-market-share-in-china-in-2023/

and tesla has only lost market share since then and will continue to do so.

So in China Tesla is 2nd only to BYD which includes their $300 golf carts as car sales and this is them getting destroyed?

Where is Ford or GM on that list? BMW? Theyre not on the list because they cant compete which is why those companies, not Tesla, spend so much on lobbying for them to be banned.

emblem-man posted...

Just finished paying mine off a few months ago, 2.5% interest.

How much is fsd these days anyway?

Yeah just do the monthly if you need it. It's improved since I've bought it in April but the latest iteration is a step back in some stuff. I wouldn't buy the full package at 8 grand but would consider it at 4 and buy immediately at 2.

Krojen posted...

So in China Tesla is 2nd only to BYD which includes their $300 golf carts as car sales and this is them getting destroyed?

Where is Ford or GM on that list? BMW? Theyre not on the list because they cant compete which is why those companies, not Tesla, spend so much on lobbying for them to be banned.

Tesla is a distance second and on its heels are three others, including SAIC-GM-Wuling which I bolded to answer where GM is on that list, but it doesn't matter since, again, the other western companies are stupidly focused on internal combustion and Chinese companies in general are going to dominate the space, that's why little baby musk (the supposed rugged free market capitalist) went running to his buddies in government.

Notice the funny timing between this:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60428602/tesla-model-2-affordable-ev-canceled/

and this:
https://apnews.com/article/biden-china-tariffs-electric-vehicles-solar-254546e92f823a78220c195a0a42a10e

That rat bastard musk felt no need to make a cheaper vehicle once his government buddies put in that 100% tariff for him. He claims he's focusing on the robotaxi bullshit, but that'll be vaporware like the rest of his stupid ventures such as the robot and the dumb tunnel system. Over-promising and under-delivering is his specialty and he's sucking hard on the government teat the entire time. The only thing musk is good at is financial manipulation (lucky for him, the SEC is toothless) and fooling gullible fanboys.

gu-gohan posted...

I'll never get a Tesla, especially because of Musk.

I always said that Musk is an idiot on this: his Nazi turn is going to completely turn off most of his customer base. Last I checked, moderates, leftists, and liberals don't like that kind of rhetoric, and are the most likely to own an EV.

Krojen posted...

Those are literal golf carts with 150 miles of range lol. I wish they could work in North American infrastructure.

Ah, so you'd hate my EV that has about 70 miles of range. I don't need to do a cross-country trip in it every day, it's fantastic for going to work and back (about 6 miles each way) and just farting about doing errands/seeing friends etc. Whether you like EVs or not (I do, but to a point) - I think the EV market dropped a bollock by throwing electric cars in as a direct replacement for ICE-powered vehicles. The framework isn't there. How is someone in London going to charge their car when they don't have a designated parking space? Same for New York? Same for anywhere else around the world - buying a car shouldn't need you to buy your own fuel pump too unless it comes free.

When I looked into buying a Tesla I was quite up for it - until I found out I'd have to get a new fuse box, an external charger, the cost of electricity etc - I worked out that if I just bought a 6.2L Mercedes that did about 13mpg, it'd take me about 50,000 miles of driving before the Tesla made financial sense. I don't keep my cars that long.

Personally I think that EVs should have been introduced as a "these things are great for regular short journeys" and "oil change? What oil change?" type marketing instead. As the tech progresses, the cars can do more and more.

Krojen posted...

I agree, I wish other companies could step up and provide mass reliable fast charging but every attempt has been a spectacular failure no matter how much money govt throws at these companies. Tesla is the only one to properly build them so thats the world were stuck in.

Well not entirely true mate, I'm not sure what country you're from but here in the UK there are plenty of EV charging companies. We use Chargemaster but there are others available too - they're plentiful in more populated areas (my parents live in a London Borough and they have EV chargers in lamp posts) - you can charge pretty much anything from them.

That said I remember one time I was in their local Tesco and I'd taken my Twizy. Parked in a recharging bay and when I came back out with my shopping, two teenage girls were poking around the adjacent charger. I asked if they needed help - clearly they weren't old enough to drive - and they said they wanted to charge their phones. I told them these were for cars, not phones, no 3-pin or USB plugs on these. They wandered off, complaining to themselves why car chargers didn't also charge phones.

Xenogears15 posted...

I always said that Musk is an idiot on this: his Nazi turn is going to completely turn off most of his customer base. Last I checked, moderates, leftists, and liberals don't like that kind of rhetoric, and are the most likely to own an EV.

Yeah, Tesla was previously one of the most Democrat voting consumer bases. This chart is from 2021 if I recall.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e7d9acc9.jpg

1337toothbrush posted...

Tesla is a distance second and on its heels are three others

Tesla is in 1st among comparable cars. 2nd only to BYD which includes a very different offering not comparable to the other brands which is why theyre so far ahead of everyone.

You said they would get destroyed. Being 2nd on Chinas home field is not getting destroyed by any measure.

1337toothbrush posted...

SAIC-GM-Wuling which I bolded to answer where GM is on that list, but it doesn't matter since, again, the other western companies are stupidly focused on internal combustion

Im aware of GMs investment in the SAIC-GM-Wuling relationship. Its not actually GM and its not the EVs we were discussing.

Legacy brands focus on ICE not because they are stupid, but because they dont have the capability to focus on anything else. Theyre not going to make the transition to EVs and are using their lobbying power to stop others from doing so.

https://influencemap.org/site//data/000/028/Automaker_Climate-Lobbying_05-24.pdf

1337toothbrush posted...

Notice the funny timing between this:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a60428602/tesla-model-2-affordable-ev-canceled/

and this:
https://apnews.com/article/biden-china-tariffs-electric-vehicles-solar-254546e92f823a78220c195a0a42a10e

Tesla never canceled plans for cheaper EV. Car blogs run wild with speculation. Its still in the works for the Central/South American market. Tesla already has the competitively priced model 3 that can be had for 30k in the US.

1337toothbrush posted...

That rat bastard musk felt no need to make a cheaper vehicle once his government buddies put in that 100% tariff for him. He claims he's focusing on the robotaxi bullshit, but that'll be vaporware like the rest of his stupid ventures such as the robot and the dumb tunnel system. Over-promising and under-delivering is his specialty and he's sucking hard on the government teat the entire time. The only thing musk is good at is financial manipulation (lucky for him, the SEC is toothless) and fooling gullible fanboys.

Tesla doesnt spend on lobbying. Legacy brands did that. Musk talks a lot of shit and absolutely no one cares what he has to say. Tesla is the only company that delivered on EVs and a charging infrastructure. Its the brands youre favoring over Tesla that never deliver on their EV transition promises and grift the government/destroy the planet through lobbying.

YellowSUV posted...

Yeah, Tesla was previously one of the most Democrat voting consumer bases. This chart is from 2021 if I recall.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e7d9acc9.jpg

Having a hell of a time reading this chart despite the directions. Are the blue circles democrat voters, because if so it's weird that so many high end brands are left leaning.

electricbugs2 posted...

Having a hell of a time reading this chart despite the directions. Are the blue circles democrat voters, because if so it's weird that so many high end brands are left leaning.

Yes. The higher up they are on the chart, the more likely they are to vote. The more left on the chart the more likely to vote Democrat.

I would imagine Republican voters are more likely to only buy "American" cars. Almost all the blue circles are non American brands.

YellowSUV posted...

Yes. The higher up they are on the chart, the more likely they are to vote. The more left on the chart the more likely to vote Democrat.

I would imagine Republican voters are more likely to only buy "American" cars. Almost all the blue circles are non American brands.

Awesome. Another reason to be proud to be a Mercedes driver.

Just kind of surprised to see so many luxury brands voting blue. Stereotype is usually the other way around.

Krojen posted...

Tesla is in 1st among comparable cars. 2nd only to BYD which includes a very different offering not comparable to the other brands which is why theyre so far ahead of everyone.

You said they would get destroyed. Being 2nd on Chinas home field is not getting destroyed by any measure.

Did you not notice the millions more that BYD sells which also includes vehicles that are in a higher category than Tesla's literally two vehicles that sell in China (model y and model 3)?

Tesla had decades of a head start, billions in subsidizes from the US government, and billions more in private funding.

Krojen posted...

Im aware of GMs investment in the SAIC-GM-Wuling relationship. Its not actually GM and its not the EVs we were discussing.

Legacy brands focus on ICE not because they are stupid, but because they dont have the capability to focus on anything else. Theyre not going to make the transition to EVs and are using their lobbying power to stop others from doing so.

https://influencemap.org/site//data/000/028/Automaker_Climate-Lobbying_05-24.pdf

Mind showing me where in that document your claims are backed up? I skimmed through it and all it says is that Tesla only sells EVs. No shit. Tesla benefited from selling only EVs because for the longest time they made most of their money off selling carbon credits, yet another form of government subsidies for musk, the rugged free market capitalist.

Krojen posted...

Tesla never canceled plans for cheaper EV. Car blogs run wild with speculation. Its still in the works for the Central/South American market. Tesla already has the competitively priced model 3 that can be had for 30k in the US.

Then where is the Model 2? Next to the dancing robot?

Krojen posted...

Tesla doesnt spend on lobbying. Legacy brands did that. Musk talks a lot of shit and absolutely no one cares what he has to say. Tesla is the only company that delivered on EVs and a charging infrastructure. Its the brands youre favoring over Tesla that never deliver on their EV transition promises and grift the government/destroy the planet through lobbying.

Chinese auto companies are absolutely delivering on EVs, which is why coward musk ran to daddy government to slap 100% tariffs on them. Why do you think legacy automakers would care more about China flooding the market with cheap EVs than Tesla which only sells EVs?

electricbugs2 posted...

Awesome. Another reason to be proud to be a Mercedes driver.

Just kind of surprised to see so many luxury brands voting blue. Stereotype is usually the other way around.

Lincoln and Cadillac are still Republican leaning. Also, I think large trucks and SUVs are seen as the top tier car for many Republican voters (even if they are just going to be pavement princesses). Something like a top line Ford F series truck can easily cost more than a sports or luxury car.

YellowSUV posted...

Lincoln and Cadillac are still Republican leaning.

Old people brands so that tracks (Cadillac is trying to shed this with all their muscle sedans, but it hasn't really worked) same as Jaguar and Buick. Porsche is criminally expensive so that one tracks as well.

YellowSUV posted...

Also, I think large trucks and SUVs are seen as the top tier car for many Republican voters (even if they are just going to be pavement princesses). Something like a top line Ford F series truck can easily cost more than a sports or luxury car.

True. F-150 Super Snake, Ram TRX etc hit that pavement princess itch these days.

electricbugs2 posted...

Awesome. Another reason to be proud to be a Mercedes driver.

^5 brother

Luigi_and_Tails posted...

^5 brother

Democrat voters and we have the best driver reputation of the big 3 German brands We Gucci out here.

electricbugs2 posted...

Democrat voters and we have the best driver reputation of the big 3 German brands We Gucci out here.

You've got to stop with that Gucci addiction fella, plain to see...

Im sorry but I hate teslas. When I see them in the road I look down on the drivers.

Luigi_and_Tails posted...

You've got to stop with that Gucci addiction fella, plain to see...

Lol I have a few Gucci products, but I wouldn't call it an addiction. Gucci is just something I say as a placeholder word ha ha.

Yawn_Master2 posted...

Im sorry but I hate teslas. When I see them in the road I look down on the drivers.

They've replaced BMW drivers for me as the most obnoxious people on the road. Sure BMW drivers don't use their turn signals, but once you know that you just give them room and let them do their crazy shit. Tesla drivers are unpredictable morons.

electricbugs2 posted...

Lol I have a few Gucci products, but I wouldn't call it an addiction. Gucci is just something I say as a placeholder word ha ha.

Gotcha, that's gucci mate.

(I thought you'd get the joke! Damn haha)

Luigi_and_Tails posted...

Gotcha, that's gucci mate.

(I thought you'd get the joke! Damn haha)

Went over my head sorry ha ha.

1337toothbrush posted...

Did you not notice the millions more that BYD sells which also includes vehicles that are in a higher category than Tesla's literally two vehicles that sell in China (model y and model 3)?

Yes, did you notice that it also includes models that arent comparable to the other brands on the list which is why they are where they are?

1337toothbrush posted...

Tesla had decades of a head start, billions in subsidizes from the US government, and billions more in private funding.

The Chinese government has invested infinitely more into their EV companies than the US has helped its own EVs. The US failed to properly invest in EVs because of legacy lobbying.

China also welcomed Tesla with open arms years ago to spy on their tech.

1337toothbrush posted...

Mind showing me where in that document your claims are backed up? I skimmed through it and all it says is that Tesla only sells EVs. No shit. Tesla benefited from selling only EVs because for the longest time they made most of their money off selling carbon credits, yet another form of government subsidies for musk, the rugged free market capitalist.

Its one of many basic maps of lobbying influence against EVs and pretty straightforward.

Legacy automakers need those carbon credits because they refuse to obey climate/pollution laws. The govt isnt just giving Tesla extra money for being a good egg. Legacy auto is purchasing them so they can continue to kill our planet by however much Tesla is trying to offset.

1337toothbrush posted...

Then where is the Model 2? Next to the dancing robot?

In development like the model 3 once was. Theyve already shown its silhouette. Legacy brands are still too busy selling a few dozen $70k EVs with 200 miles range. Where is their EV transition Ive been promised since 2009?

1337toothbrush posted...

Chinese auto companies are absolutely delivering on EVs, which is why coward musk ran to daddy government to slap 100% tariffs on them. Why do you think legacy automakers would care more about China flooding the market with cheap EVs than Tesla which only sells EVs?

They are, because the Chinese government took EVs seriously unlike the US. Legacy brands did the tariffs. Biden wouldnt even say Teslas name and crowned GM as the global leader in EVs and youre telling me hes in Musks pocket? Lol that clown Musk wishes.

Krojen posted...

Yes, did you notice that it also includes models that arent comparable to the other brands on the list which is why they are where they are?

Following your logic, Tesla isn't beating anyone because they can't be compared because other companies make more than five vehicles total.

Krojen posted...

The Chinese government has invested infinitely more into their EV companies than the US has helped its own EVs. The US failed to properly invest in EVs because of legacy lobbying.

China also welcomed Tesla with open arms years ago to spy on their tech.

Tesla has sucked up the most subsidies out of any EV company in history. Why would China steal inferior tech? The most important part is the battery chemistry and Tesla doesn't make that.

Krojen posted...

Its one of many basic maps of lobbying influence against EVs and pretty straightforward.

Legacy automakers need those carbon credits because they refuse to obey climate/pollution laws. The govt isnt just giving Tesla extra money for being a good egg. Legacy auto is purchasing them so they can continue to kill our planet by however much Tesla is trying to offset.

Legacy automakers lobbied for carbon credits so that they'd have to pay Tesla?

Krojen posted...

In development like the model 3 once was. Theyve already shown its silhouette. Legacy brands are still too busy selling a few dozen $70k EVs with 200 miles range. Where is their EV transition Ive been promised since 2009?

In development like the robot which was just a person dancing in a suit? Again, why would legacy brands be afraid of cheap EVs of they're targeting internal combustion and luxury EV segments? Tesla is far more under threat since they sell minimalist trash at inflated prices.

Krojen posted...

They are, because the Chinese government took EVs seriously unlike the US. Legacy brands did the tariffs. Biden wouldnt even say Teslas name and crowned GM as the global leader in EVs and youre telling me hes in Musks pocket? Lol that clown Musk wishes.

Let's pretend musk didn't do any lobbying, he still stands to benefit the most when Tesla only sells EVs.

1337toothbrush posted...

Following your logic, Tesla isn't beating anyone because they can't be compared because other companies make more than five vehicles total.

Im comparing segments. You still cant explain how Tesla beating all but 1 company in Chinas home turf is getting destroyed. So much so that theyd waste their non existent lobbying budget on blocking them from entering the US where Tesla would now have home field.

If anything they would immediately help Tesla by accelerating EV adoption and using their charging infrastructure.

1337toothbrush posted...

Tesla has sucked up the most subsidies out of any EV company in history.

Idk if theres a fruitful conversation to be had if you believe the US government has helped our EVs more than China has helped their EV companies. I could only respond with hoping you have a nice day lol

1337toothbrush posted...

Why would China steal inferior tech? The most important part is the battery chemistry and Tesla doesn't make that.

Ask them. Go to many of Chinas brands websites and its modeled after Teslas web design. They mimicked Teslas iPad interior, were found in court documents to have stolen Teslas battery tech which can be seen in their copycat pack layouts, among many other things.

1337toothbrush posted...

Legacy automakers lobbied for carbon credits so that they'd have to pay Tesla?

Govt makes pollution law. Company lobbies for cheap loophole to kick cans down road. A few cycles of short term profit chasing leads to accidentally paying a growing competitor.

1337toothbrush posted...

In development like the robot which was just a person dancing in a suit? Again, why would legacy brands be afraid of cheap EVs of they're targeting internal combustion and luxury EV segments? Tesla is far more under threat since they sell minimalist trash at inflated prices.

In development like the model 3. Tesla has a proven track record at delivering a mass market sedan. Their ability to make a cheaper and smaller mass market sedan is not comparable to an AI recruiting skit for a bot.

The future is EV. Every single year that legacy can delay the inevitable is billions more in profit they can squeeze before they crash. You see the same behavior from oil companies trying to delay green tech.

Teslas price to spec is so dominant they beat most Chinese companies in China. Nothing inflated about it.

1337toothbrush posted...

Let's pretend musk didn't do any lobbying, he still stands to benefit the most when Tesla only sells EVs.

No, legacy auto benefits the most by lengthening their runway to exist as is. Which is why they lobbied for it.

https://techcrunch.com/2024/10/09/tesla-robotaxi-reveal-what-to-expect/

Robotaxi event reveal tonight. Expected to have no steering wheel or pedals

Krojen posted...

Im comparing segments. You still cant explain how Tesla beating all but 1 company in Chinas home turf is getting destroyed. So much so that theyd waste their non existent lobbying budget on blocking them from entering the US where Tesla would now have home field.

If anything they would immediately help Tesla by accelerating EV adoption and using their charging infrastructure.

If you bothered looking at the data, you'd see that most of the sales of teslas are model y, i.e. it's the rich in China buying them for name brand recognition and foreign brands get boosted simply by being foreign, so it's actually less impressive being in China's "home turf" just like how Apple got a boost.

You think Tesla would be better off becoming primarily a charge network company?

Krojen posted...

Idk if theres a fruitful conversation to be had if you believe the US government has helped our EVs more than China has helped their EV companies. I could only respond with hoping you have a nice day lol

Beyond the regular subsidies, there were also carbon credits, tax credits of $7500 per vehicle sold, subsidies for manufacturing in the US, and the huge bailouts in 2009. You can only respond with have a nice day because you have no argument to make. After all, you think that somehow Tesla selling fewer vehicles and maybe getting more users for their charging network somehow puts them ahead.

Krojen posted...

Ask them. Go to many of Chinas brands websites and its modeled after Teslas web design. They mimicked Teslas iPad interior, were found in court documents to have stolen Teslas battery tech which can be seen in their copycat pack layouts, among many other things.

Then that means Tesla stole from Apple.

Krojen posted...

Govt makes pollution law. Company lobbies for cheap loophole to kick cans down road. A few cycles of short term profit chasing leads to accidentally paying a growing competitor.

Turns out the legacy automakers aren't the masterminds you tried to paint them to be.

Krojen posted...

In development like the model 3. Tesla has a proven track record at delivering a mass market sedan. Their ability to make a cheaper and smaller mass market sedan is not comparable to an AI recruiting skit for a bot.

The future is EV. Every single year that legacy can delay the inevitable is billions more in profit they can squeeze before they crash. You see the same behavior from oil companies trying to delay green tech.

Teslas price to spec is so dominant they beat most Chinese companies in China. Nothing inflated about it.

Yet the Model 2 is nowhere to be seen. I guess they blew all their manufacturing capacity on the Cybertrash. Refer back to my Apple comparison for your "beat" comment.

Krojen posted...

No, legacy auto benefits the most by lengthening their runway to exist as is. Which is why they lobbied for it.

If Chinese automakers were allowed in the US without a 100% tariff then Tesla would be obliterated. Hell, without daddy government, Tesla would've been bankrupt long ago.

solosnake posted...

https://techcrunch.com/2024/10/09/tesla-robotaxi-reveal-what-to-expect/

Robotaxi event reveal tonight. Expected to have no steering wheel or pedals

Are you a Tesla bagholder or a Tesla stan who buys Elon's BS?

Yawn_Master2 posted...

Are you a Tesla bagholder or a Tesla stan who buys Elon's BS?

nah, i was considering buying a model y, but he has had 3 quick strikes in a row now. Appearing on stage with trump, this joke of an offer for 0% financing if you pay an extra $8k. Then the cybercab fantasy reveal. Gonna just buy a subaru instead. He lost one

solosnake posted...

nah, i was considering buying a model y, but he has had 3 quick strikes in a row now. Appearing on stage with trump, this joke of an offer for 0% financing if you pay an extra $8k. Then the cybercab fantasy reveal. Gonna just buy a subaru instead. He lost one

Lost me too...

I used to think he was smart years ago smh

Krojen posted...

an essay

1337toothbrush posted...

another essay

Guys, you're in a circular argument. Why not debate more about EVs in general, rather than this one tiny facet of a larger market?

To give you something else to discuss, I prefer my Twizy over a Leaf, even though they're both around 5k and the Twizy is technically shite compared to a Leaf. I love fun cars, hence I'd rather have the Twizy. Yes, I know we've talked about it before, but if you could get by with <100 miles on a daily drive, the Leaf would work. I'm sure even in the US people don't actually drive that much on a daily commute, right? That's where you'd use the train instead.

Our work car park has a few EVs in it too. An e-Kona, an ID3, a Cooper E and the guy who had a Model S replaced it with an IX.

We haven't even begun to discuss hybrids. There are 3-off 330es in the car park, a Golf GTE, that big Mitsubishi that I've forgotten the name of, and there's a handful of other cars I've also forgotten about.

So I guess to go back to the question - would I buy a Tesla? I wouldn't say no, EV prices have fallen significantly. A 2014 Model S P85 is about half the price of what my 2014 C63 is worth. I nearly bought one for 30k a few years ago, thank fuck I didn't. (if you care, I bought a V8 F-Type instead and didn't look back).

electricbugs2 posted...

Awesome. Another reason to be proud to be a Mercedes driver.

Just kind of surprised to see so many luxury brands voting blue. Stereotype is usually the other way around.

The vehicle with the highest ownership amongst millionaires in America is the Ford F-150. Take that how you will.

Unknown5uspect posted...

The vehicle with the highest ownership amongst millionaires in America is the Ford F-150. Take that how you will.

I'm not sure what that's meant to mean. Great, a truck sells well in one country. Millionaires in other countries tend to drive other cars.

Generally in Europe, who developed the www, I understand it's between Audi and BMW.

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Good to hear pal, wishing you nothing but the best. I'm not sure where ASU is but it's decent that Uber provide a scholarship - out of curiosity, what are you studying?

My buddy used to get 2 car washes as part of an agreement - 12+ washes a month, most he'd pay was 25. The scratch and shines are dreadful - they drag anything across a car because they know nobody cares long term.

Also glad to hear that you've got enough respect for yourself to kick out disrespectful people. As a customer I've never tried to be disrespectful, but I do remember one incident. Be interested to hear your thoughts. I booked an uber for a pregnant friend, and her friend. I asked if the driver could drop me off first and then take the other two home.

Again, that's another story. Happy to share if you're interested.

Luigi_and_Tails posted...

I'm not sure what that's meant to mean. Great, a truck sells well in one country. Millionaires in other countries tend to drive other cars.

Generally in Europe, who developed the www, I understand it's between Audi and BMW.

Do you not understand conversational context or what? Look at the quote chain to understand my post. Jfc.

This is nice and creates competition.

Luigi_and_Tails posted...

Guys, you're in a circular argument. Why not debate more about EVs in general, rather than this one tiny facet of a larger market?

Ironically the rest of your post is an essay. Anyway, I was trying to talk more about EVs in general in that China is positioned to play a massive part, though tariffs might be a setback for them.

Unknown5uspect posted...

Do you not understand conversational context or what? Look at the quote chain to understand my post. Jfc.

I checked. You replied to that firefly guy with a completely irrelevant point. Is there something I'm missing?

The most common transportation in Bangladesh is the rickshaw. I hope you understand my post.

1337toothbrush posted...

Ironically the rest of your post is an essay. Anyway, I was trying to talk more about EVs in general in that China is positioned to play a massive part, though tariffs might be a setback for them.

I just wanted to provide some more points to perhaps debate about. But, alas, I guess you're all looking for an argument rather than reading an "essay" of 250 words (seriously, that's pretty shit if your attention span is that low that you can't skim read that, given most of the words are makes/models of cars.)

Anyway, crack on doing so. I do bite, so don't rule me out.

Funnily enough I started writing this reply whilst on a Routemaster a few hours ago.

Ah fuck, this post is too long for those who don't have an attention span to- OOH LOOK THERE'S A CLOUD

I dont want any electric car

Luigi_and_Tails posted...

I just wanted to provide some more points to perhaps debate about. But, alas, I guess you're all looking for an argument rather than reading an "essay" of 250 words (seriously, that's pretty shit if your attention span is that low that you can't skim read that, given most of the words are makes/models of cars.)

You just wanted to jump in to a discussion that didn't involve you to show how cool you are.

I only called your post an essay because it was of similar length to ours and you called ours essays, but great job trying to insult my attention span and only ending up telling on yourself.