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Biofighter55 10/28/24 5:22:21 PM #103: |
royic posted... They're characters in BG3 who were in BG2 but mostly as fan service and your BG2 decisions did not matter because BG2 came out a long ass time ago. and from what I can tell was made by a completely different company so the situation is different --- This is my sig. Don't like it, then don't look at it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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royic 10/28/24 5:23:32 PM #104: |
I don't think Fallout 2 -> Fallout 3 is a direct comparison, for sure there is not the "decisions matter" thing going on. It's just to highlight how long ten years is in video games. I get being upset about "decisions matter" thing with no follow up, but Mass Effect 3 came out two years after Mass Effect 2. I can't imagine playing Mass Effect 2 and then waiting ten years for a sequel. That promise was broken a long time ago. --- binga ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 10/28/24 5:27:11 PM #105: |
royic posted... That promise was broken a long time ago.I mean this part I agree with <_< Bioware and the entire gaming industry have displayed that "Your choices matter" is always complete bullshit. I just don't agree with any justifcation for that other blaming the devs (and realistically the publishers) for only caring about the bottom line It's absolutely NOT because "Fans don't remember" or "IT would be impossible to impliment." It's because making choices matter might take an extra month of work and won't result in signifcantly more sales. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 10/28/24 5:50:59 PM #106: |
royic posted... They're characters in BG3 who were in BG2 but mostly as fan service and your BG2 decisions did not matter because BG2 came out a long ass time ago.That might not be the best example. They did fine with Minsc, he's always doing his own thing anyway. Including Jaheira cut off the story branches related to her being a romance option. And the less said of the outright ruining of --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 10/28/24 5:54:50 PM #107: |
DrizztLink posted... And the less said of the outright ruining of --- Let's make biscuits! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 10/28/24 5:56:08 PM #108: |
Funkydog posted... Shit, I knew I forgot someone. Thanks, solid example. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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royic 10/28/24 5:56:36 PM #109: |
UnfairRepresent posted... I mean this part I agree with <_< I don't ever believe in "lazy devs" as a reason. Being a developer is a terrible, difficult thankless job and even if you create an incredible job you get laid off anyways. These decisions always come down from the c suite. --- binga ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Delirious_Beard 10/28/24 6:03:50 PM #110: |
my ass will not be buying --- https://i.imgur.com/hLHUnOI.jpg You act like I don't know my own way home ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivynn 10/28/24 8:33:39 PM #111: |
Dark_twisted posted... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QF-Kd2BBpx8 Just watched this and uuuugggh it is so damning. I really wanted this to be good too. --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Baron_Ox 10/28/24 9:38:18 PM #112: |
from Larian publishing chief: https://Twitter.com/Cromwelp/status/1850949592667590700 https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2a60b7d2.jpg --- "I could never encapsulate all my cosmicality on my own." - mr. MFN eXquire. https://imgur.com/4CDGncR ... Copied to Clipboard!
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apolloooo 10/28/24 11:15:39 PM #113: |
UnholyMudcrab posted... Mortismal considers it the best in the series and his personal GOTYHis favorite dragon age is inquisition so i am not surprised by that. I probably dont agree with him but he is still my favorite reviewer. His review actually has some really good criticism but the actual conclusion is positive on the term of he really is a fan of the series that probably have soft spot toward this. --- http://i.imgtc.com/iJyp6bF.png http://i.imgtc.com/ZBw36Qh.png Thanks for the peeps that made the pics <3 if i make typos it means i am on phone ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReiRei89 10/28/24 11:18:34 PM #114: |
Baron_Ox posted... from Larian publishing chief:This sounds good. --- FGO US:973,940,202 JP:410,404,215 Resident Europa fangirl ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Alucard188 10/28/24 11:21:49 PM #115: |
Nice, I'll pick it up when it's on sale. --- Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBx ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordYeezus 10/29/24 11:28:21 AM #116: |
Concord tier character designs --- I'm also on ktt2.com/music see y'all there. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Agent_Stroud 10/29/24 12:03:22 PM #117: |
LordYeezus posted... Concord tier character designs Look at that AMP. --- "We're going to shake things up, Morgan. Like old times." -- Alex Yu, Prey (2017) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pretzelcoatl 10/29/24 12:12:48 PM #118: |
Alucard188 posted... Nice, I'll pick it up when it's on sale.You should wait until all the DLC are released in an "ultimate edition", that's what I'm going to do. Especially with the deemphasis on player choices carrying over, I don't think I'll do more than a single playthrough. I think DAI had 3 DLC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pretzelcoatl 10/29/24 12:16:28 PM #119: |
royic posted... I don't ever believe in "lazy devs" as a reason. Being a developer is a terrible, difficult thankless job and even if you create an incredible job you get laid off anyways. These decisions always come down from the c suite.I think it's right to point the sword at the correct people (executives and producers, not developers) but it doesn't change the fact that they probably cut it because it was the easiest way to do something, not because the fans would enjoy it. Which is a problem when it's a key part of the RPG you've introduced in order to set your world apart from others. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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loafy013 10/29/24 12:39:19 PM #120: |
UnfairRepresent posted... It's because making choices matter might take an extra month of work and won't result in signifcantly more sales.Do you really think it would only take a month to adjust the narrative with a bunch of different variables? Best case scenario is having a throw away line to account for it and I think that would be even less satisfying than ignoring it outright or making a canon choice. Did Morrigan have a child? Who rules Orzammar? What was the result of the Landsmeet? What was the outcome in the Templars vs Mage's Circle decision? Did the Grey Wardens rebuild or were they exiled? Did the Inquisition continue or disband? Who is the new Divine? --- The ball is round, the game lasts 90 minutes. That's fact. Everything else, is theory. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivynn 10/29/24 12:44:26 PM #121: |
This was a terrible game to do the soft reboot thing. Shoulda waited for the next one and used this game to wrap everything up. --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KajeI 10/29/24 12:55:00 PM #122: |
LordYeezus posted... Concord tier character designsDid you used to play LoL? --- Look, I can name a few instances in MY life where I tried to reach mutual understanding and i can TELL you, always faster and easier to just kill em. Just is! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 10/29/24 12:58:20 PM #123: |
loafy013 posted... Do you really think it would only take a month to adjust the narrative with a bunch of different variables?Yes If you came INTO the project expecting choices to make a difference. I think saying it would take a month is pessimistic. 98% of the work is identical. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vokrent 10/29/24 1:03:24 PM #124: |
pretzelcoatl posted... You should wait until all the DLC are released in an "ultimate edition", that's what I'm going to do. Especially with the deemphasis on player choices carrying over, I don't think I'll do more than a single playthrough.yep, Jaws of Hakkon, The Descent, and Trespasser --- My thoughts overtake me They're killing me faster with each passing day ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivynn 10/29/24 1:04:26 PM #125: |
Ivynn posted... This was a terrible game to do the soft reboot thing. To expand on this, they should have used this game to wrap every ongoing plotthread from the past 15 years and then used the mythical Dragon Age 5 to reboot for a fresh start, this time following their own canon narrative. Honestly, games like Dragon Age and Mass Effect where player choices are weaved through the narrative of multiple entries are gonna be a thing of the past. You can't really do them when games take like 10 years to make now and the devs clearly feel they're too restrictive and would rather not bother. --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 10/29/24 1:13:20 PM #126: |
Ivynn posted... make now and the devs clearly feel they're too restrictive and would rather not bother.Stong disagree It's solely because it's more work for no guaranteed bottom line sales It has nothing to do with being "Restrictive " or fans not remembering --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HighSeraph 10/29/24 1:18:07 PM #127: |
I don't really know why they bothered carrying over decisions anyway. Before Inquisition the games didn't really have a conjoined narrative. --- She/Her Crimsoness' Alt Dynamite with a laser beam ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivynn 10/29/24 1:18:55 PM #128: |
UnfairRepresent posted... Stong disagree Feels like the same result "more work for little payoff" Mass Effect trilogy was something that could have only worked on the seventh generation of consoles given how long that gen was. Imagine if a ME3 had to be made of PS4/XBONE and how much of a shitshow that woulda been. --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 10/29/24 1:21:49 PM #129: |
Ivynn posted... more work for little payoff"Only if you use "payoff" in the most literal sense of sales rather than the quality of the product Ivynn posted... Imagine if a ME3 had to be made of PS4/XBONE and how much of a shitshow that woulda been.Why? Again Google Dragon Age Keep Shits easy --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivynn 10/29/24 1:26:34 PM #130: |
UnfairRepresent posted... Only if you use "payoff" in the most literal sense of sales rather than the quality of the product Kinda both. Little "payoff" on the business end because it doesn't get guarantee more sales and "payoff" on the creative end because it's more work when they'd rather tell their own story anyway. UnfairRepresent posted... Why? Yet they didn't do that this time. If it was so easy and it mattered to them, why not go this route again? --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Biofighter55 10/29/24 1:34:38 PM #131: |
Ivynn posted... Kinda both. Little "payoff" on the business end because it doesn't get guarantee more sales and "payoff" on the creative end because it's more work when they'd rather tell their own story anyway. that comment is telling, if it mattered to them its very apparent that no, the previous stories didnt mattered to them --- This is my sig. Don't like it, then don't look at it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 10/29/24 1:35:11 PM #132: |
Ivynn posted... Yet they didn't do that this time. If it was so easy and it mattered to them, why not go this route again?Because its an extra months work that provably won't translate to significant sales Same reason Fallout NV was released as a broken unfinished mess. "Is it in a state that will definitely get us millions of sales right now?" "Yes but i-" "Release it" I see any other argument as bootlicking tbh "Fans don't care! it's been years! It's impossible to implement! I never liked choices and agency anyway! It's all restrictive!' These all fall at the first hurdle of the bullshit test and read like someone defending Mitch McConnell Ivynn posted... Kinda both. Little "payoff" on the business end because it doesn't get guarantee more sales and "payoff" on the creative end because it's more work when they'd rather tell their own story anyway.If you say so it's a direct sequel using established characters --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivynn 10/29/24 1:42:05 PM #133: |
Biofighter55 posted... that comment is telling, if it mattered to them Seems so. :\ UnfairRepresent posted... Because its an extra months work that provably won't translate to significant sales Yes, that the business argument. Sounds like we're agreeing here. The execs don't value it because it won't guarantee sales. UnfairRepresent posted... Same reason Fallout NV was released as a broken unfinished mess. I'm confused here. That happeneing and being sadly common practice isn't a good thing. UnfairRepresent posted... I see any other argument as bootlicking tbh Who is bootlicking? No one is defending it. UnfairRepresent posted... These all fall at the first hurdle of the bullshit test and read like someone defending Mitch McConnell Now you're just being weird again. --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 10/29/24 1:59:56 PM #134: |
loafy013 posted... Do you really think it would only take a month to adjust the narrative with a bunch of different variables? Best case scenario is having a throw away line to account for it and I think that would be even less satisfying than ignoring it outright or making a canon choice.I believe they said they didn't want to just do a 'one line reference' as seemed to think people wanted something substantial. --- Let's make biscuits! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mechu 10/29/24 2:05:26 PM #135: |
After Dragon's Dogma 2 I really couldn't care less what reviewers have to say tbh. --- . ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Biofighter55 10/29/24 6:01:11 PM #136: |
@UnfairRepresent I watched skillups review they straight up converted their live service version of the DA into veil guard they way he compared it to overwatch or other live service games with how enemies were life sponges and the way the abilities are with cooldowns or the basic ass puzzles to move forward the basic ass dialogue. Its a live service game converted into a single player game --- This is my sig. Don't like it, then don't look at it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ar0ge 10/29/24 6:06:36 PM #137: |
Biofighter55 posted... @UnfairRepresent To be fair... RPGs are known for life sponges and ability cool downs... I think it's unfair to say these were specifically brought over from a live service build of the game. I also don't understand the comparison to overwatch. I haven't seen many other people complain about the level designs. I agree with the dumb puzzles though. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Biofighter55 10/29/24 6:13:33 PM #138: |
Ar0ge posted... To be fair... RPGs are known for life sponges and ability cool downs... he actually compared the levels to live service levels and the history is that the game was a single player then ea told them to make it a live service back in 2019 I think and then in 2021 or 22 they were told to make it single player after several LS games failed it makes sense that the game comes off as a live service game production isnt just making the game its coming up with ideas, stories, art, characters im not saying the game was rushed but rather instead of completely starting over, they obviously just converted all those elements to fit a live service game because otherwise the game probably wouldnt have come out for a few more years --- This is my sig. Don't like it, then don't look at it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 10/29/24 7:45:27 PM #140: |
The chuds are losing their goddamn minds over this game. Digital Foundry released a video praising the game for performing well on PC and idiots are just piling into the comments to call them paid shills. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Delirious_Beard 10/29/24 7:47:03 PM #141: |
UnholyMudcrab posted... The chuds are losing their goddamn minds over this game. Digital Foundry released a video praising the game for performing well on PC and idiots are just piling into the comments to call them paid shills. having well optimized games is woke now --- https://i.imgur.com/hLHUnOI.jpg You act like I don't know my own way home ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Northlane 10/29/24 8:00:24 PM #142: |
The Skill Up review was enough for me to not want to buy it The DA games before this had some dark moments but he said the whole game was Disney/DreamWorks tier level fantasy Solas doesn't get as much screen time as he should since he's a more complex character and instead we get 2 other much less interesting antagonists Meh --- Never forgive, never forget: The Lakers gave up Caruso, KCP, Harrell, Kuzma and Schroder's bird rights for Russell Westbrook. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 10/30/24 6:56:01 AM #143: |
One outlier when everyone else is largely saying the opposite makes me think it just wasn't for them tbh. --- Let's make biscuits! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 10/31/24 4:50:08 AM #144: |
Writing seems absolutely atrocious in this game. And based on the skill up review I'm definitely not getting it >_> --- https://imgur.com/a/LYNS7ow https://imgur.com/a/knf9AoW https://imgur.com/a/TIIdBJT https://imgur.com/a/RYkMp5I https://imgur.com/a/48AD2yM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpiritSephiroth 10/31/24 4:56:33 AM #145: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/75a4f40e.jpg "Oof" Also the Qunari look like utter absolute shit. I just want Origins back. Even 2 was good. --- https://imgur.com/a/LYNS7ow https://imgur.com/a/knf9AoW https://imgur.com/a/TIIdBJT https://imgur.com/a/RYkMp5I https://imgur.com/a/48AD2yM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DodogamaRayBrst 10/31/24 5:35:32 AM #146: |
That looks like Marvel shit. Havent played Dragon Age since Origins so I dunno if it just turned into Marvel shit, but it wasn't back then. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Null_Gain 10/31/24 6:09:09 AM #148: |
I saw a video from fextralife saying that a number of journalists/publications who received early invitations to try it did not receive review copies of the game. The assumption is that EA did not like their write-ups of the gameplay for some reason and is retaliating. --- Series S + Switch "Don't steal, stop being ignorant and respect other peoples beliefs." -perthboy on flying a Nazi flag ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funkydog 10/31/24 1:54:57 PM #149: |
Null_Gain posted... I saw a video from fextralife saying that a number of journalists/publications who received early invitations to try it did not receive review copies of the game. The assumption is that EA did not like their write-ups of the gameplay for some reason and is retaliating.Absolutely incorrect given how many negative reviewers got codes still. --- Let's make biscuits! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HighSeraph 10/31/24 1:56:20 PM #150: |
Wtf did they do to the Qunari!? --- She/Her Crimsoness' Alt Dynamite with a laser beam ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pazzy 10/31/24 1:57:36 PM #151: |
Seems about right. It's not great, but it's passable which is probably the best it can do with the way it has been received by fans. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bass_X0 11/01/24 9:09:30 AM #152: |
Delirious_Beard posted... my ass will not be buying what about your beard? --- "Well, it's not a bad game. It's made by Capcom, so how could it?" ~ AVGN ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ivynn 11/01/24 4:02:17 PM #153: |
People are really over-using the HR line from Skill Up's review in YT comment sections >_> --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnholyMudcrab 11/01/24 5:16:22 PM #154: |
Ivynn posted... People are really over-using the HR line from Skill Up's review in YT comment sections >_>The SkillUp review is basically gospel for a bunch of people at this point. --- http://i.imgur.com/VeNBg.gif http://i.imgur.com/gd5jC8q.gif http://i.imgur.com/PKIy7.gif http://i.imgur.com/3p29JqP.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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