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ProfessorKukui
11/15/24 1:02:15 PM
#52:


lcampoy posted...
Wouldn't it be better (and cheaper) creating programs that could bring more awarness to cavity preventing?
>_> Covid was proof enough that that doesn't work. Far easier to passively to add it to the water & be done with it.

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Holy_Cloud105
11/15/24 1:04:00 PM
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Guide posted...
https://adanews.ada.org/ada-news/2024/september/judge-orders-epa-to-address-impacts-of-fluoride-in-drinking-water/

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ROBANN_88
11/15/24 1:09:29 PM
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Kolibri_X posted...
Just this September a federal judge told the EPA to take regulatory action because of the many peer-reviewed studys that showed a negative impact on children's IQs.

Most of the fluoride in our water isn't naturally occurring and has a different molecular make-up. It shouldn't be called fluoride. It's actually a combination of hexafluorosilicic acid and sodium silicofluoride, classified as hazardous waste that must be handled with hazmat suits if spilled.

It is completely insane to put chemicals in drinking water that could impact kids brains for purpose of reducing cavities and should be stopped.


If you're worried about harmful stuff in our water, take that energy and focus it on microplastics
Or pesticides


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Tom_Joad
11/15/24 1:13:37 PM
#55:


furb posted...
Makes me think of Doctor Strangelove and precious bodily fluids

This.

You never see a commie drinking water, do you?

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Kolibri_X
11/15/24 2:13:57 PM
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Ar0ge posted...
There are, however, countless studies showing improvement in child tooth decay rates in cities with fluoride in their water. This has been studied for decades and is well documented.

No, there no conclusive evidence. The Cochrane Library, an aggregator of scientific research data, has concluded that since the addition of fluoride in toothpaste in the 1970s, the benefits water fluoridation is questionable and may no longer outweigh the risks. You can read it online.

https://www.cochrane.org/CD010856/ORAL_does-adding-fluoride-water-supplies-prevent-tooth-decay

Almost 99% of municipal fluoridated water is never consumed. It is used in showers, washing clothes and dishes, watering lawns and filling swimming pools. It does however, end up downstream in lakes, rivers and ultimately the ocean.

Again, the scientificly inaccurate product labeled 'fluoride' in the water supply is a hazardous waste byproduct of phosphorus mining. Phosphate rock is highly contaminated with fluoride and when removed it creates highly toxic gases such as hydrogen fluoride and silicon terafluoride. These fluoride gases were once allowed to escape from smokestacks but nearby farms suffered devastating crop and livestock losses from fluoride poisoning.

Now, this toxic waste is collected, repackaged, transported and sold to cities to be dumped in the municipal water supply under the dubious guise of dental hygiene. The phosphorus mining industry has found a brilliant loophole to profit form their toxic waste that would otherwise have to be carefully disposed of by EPA regulations.


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Guide
11/15/24 2:31:24 PM
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Kolibri_X posted...
No, there no conclusive evidence. The Cochrane Library, an aggregator of scientific research data, has concluded that since the addition of fluoride in toothpaste in the 1970s, the benefits water fluoridation is questionable and may no longer outweigh the risks. You can read it online.

From your very own link:
Studies conducted after 1975 showed that adding fluoride to water may lead to slightly less tooth decay in childrens baby teeth. We could not be sure whether adding fluoride to water reduced tooth decay in childrens permanent teeth or decay on the surfaces of permanent teeth.

It says nothing about being questionable and nothing about outweighing risks, you liar.

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SilvosForever
11/15/24 2:32:57 PM
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Why do the GOP feel the need to completely ignore doctors, researchers, scientists etc. on every single goddamn topic?

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Pogo_Marimo
11/15/24 2:53:50 PM
#59:


lcampoy posted...
but why even have it there in the first place? 99% of the toothpaste sold have fluoride in it and you can easily buy some at walmart for a dollar.

Wouldn't it be better (and cheaper) creating programs that could bring more awarness to cavity preventing? Perhaps we can even create programs handing out toothpaste in poor neighborhoods. I can understand putting fluoride in 3rd world countries but not here.

furthermore, many other countries has started as well:https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/55827e6c.jpg
People still usually don't absorb enough flouride through their gums in the 2-4 minutes of toothbrushing they do every day. Flouride is only is effective when absorbed directly through the gum. Most people rinse and spit their flouridated toothpaste off after brushing, so even people who brush their teeth regularly and use non-flouridated water still have up to 45% more tooth decay than people with flouridated drinking water.

With flouridated drinking water, gums are exposed to flouridation dozens of times per day, which adds up to a lot of additional absorbtion even if the concentration is much lower.

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DrizztLink
11/15/24 2:55:00 PM
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No.

This should have been a much shorter topic.

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Kolibri_X
11/15/24 3:30:13 PM
#61:


Guide posted...
It says nothing about being questionable and nothing about outweighing risks, you liar.

MAY lead to slightly less tooth decay. That is not definitive wording. I have never seen someone so adamant about dosing water with literal poison so children MAY have less cavities on their baby teeth. But you do you, Captain Planet. Enjoy your tap.

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ProfessorKukui
11/15/24 3:38:01 PM
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There's a river in India foaming with gods knows what kind of poison, but "oh no, flouride bad" because the small off-chance that it doesn't work 100%.


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DrizztLink
11/15/24 3:42:11 PM
#63:


Kolibri_X posted...
MAY lead to slightly less tooth decay. That is not definitive wording. I have never seen someone so adamant about dosing water with literal poison so children MAY have less cavities on their baby teeth. But you do you, Captain Planet. Enjoy your tap.
Says the guy proudly supporting the guy who wants to dismantle the EPA.

You just turn that hypocrisy off and on like a facet, boyo.

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DoesntMatter
11/15/24 3:48:19 PM
#64:


Kolibri_X posted...
dosing water with literal poison
hey guy, fuck off

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BewmHedshot
11/15/24 3:54:50 PM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...
People still usually don't absorb enough flouride through their gums in the 2-4 minutes of toothbrushing they do every day. Flouride is only is effective when absorbed directly through the gum. Most people rinse and spit their flouridated toothpaste off after brushing, so even people who brush their teeth regularly and use non-flouridated water still have up to 45% more tooth decay than people with flouridated drinking water.

With flouridated drinking water, gums are exposed to flouridation dozens of times per day, which adds up to a lot of additional absorbtion even if the concentration is much lower.
This is not how fluoride works, it reacts directly with your teeth to fill gaps in the enamel, your gums have fuck all to do with it.

https://youtu.be/GefwcsrChHk?t=136
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Charismic_Zach_Gowen
11/15/24 4:00:56 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Says the guy proudly supporting the guy who wants to dismantle the EPA.

You just turn that hypocrisy off and on like a facet, boyo.

It's almost like these people are just straight up anti-science, and will just take whatever the contradicting stance of any scientific consensus is while somehow believing that doesn't make them a sheep.

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wanderingshade
11/15/24 5:01:09 PM
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dosing water with literal poison

I would bet the carbon in the air from tire wear is more acutely toxic to your liver than the amount of fluoride in a cup of fluoride rinse. There's probably more danger in 30 minutes of sunbathing than there is in one Dixie cup of tap water.

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C_Pain
11/15/24 5:23:24 PM
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I'm not against it at all, but it is a little odd that the government is putting stuff in our water without consent.

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DoesntMatter
11/15/24 5:26:34 PM
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C_Pain posted...
I'm not against it at all, but it is a little odd that the government is putting stuff in our water without consent.
the government does all kinds of stuff without our consent

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Srk700
11/15/24 5:26:57 PM
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Kolibri_X posted...
MAY lead to slightly less tooth decay. That is not definitive wording. I have never seen someone so adamant about dosing water with literal poison so children MAY have less cavities on their baby teeth. But you do you, Captain Planet. Enjoy your tap.

Everything on this planet is toxic to you if you take in too much of it. So maybe you should go live in an actual bubble your entire life and stay there if stuff like this scares you so much.
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Pogo_Marimo
11/15/24 5:32:19 PM
#74:


BewmHedshot posted...
This is not how fluoride works, it reacts directly with your teeth to fill gaps in the enamel, your gums have fuck all to do with it.

https://youtu.be/GefwcsrChHk?t=136
Yeah, that's correct. Replace "gums" with "teeth" in my post. In a broader sense the distinction is not important to the point I was making, though, which is that teeth don't absorb enough fluoride onto the surface of the enamel through toothpaste alone.

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Pogo_Marimo
11/15/24 5:41:09 PM
#75:


C_Pain posted...
I'm not against it at all, but it is a little odd that the government is putting stuff in our water without consent.
It's natually occuring in minerals in drinking water. Some places already have so much concentration that additional fluoride isn't even needed. Are you even, like, vaguely aware of all the horrible nasty shit they put into waste water during treatment before it gets reabsorbed by the water table and used for potable water again? It's far more dangerous than fluoride lmao.

Also, have you seen the shit in almost nearly every food item you've ever purchased?

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Miquella
11/15/24 5:45:38 PM
#76:


SilvosForever posted...
Why do the GOP feel the need to completely ignore doctors, researchers, scientists etc. on every single goddamn topic?


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Kradek
11/15/24 5:45:58 PM
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So today I learned that RFK Jr. literally thinks the water is responsible for turning people gay and trans.

https://www.them.us/story/rfk-jr-kennedy-trump-health-human-services-secretary

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Sandalorn
11/15/24 5:47:00 PM
#78:


ZMythos posted...
It's believed by anti-vaxx, covid deniers, raw milk drinkers, and ivermectin swallowers

So, you know, idiots.


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sfcalimari
11/15/24 6:20:56 PM
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Only 10% of British people have fluoridated water. Something like 70% of Americans have it.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d7f836b4.jpg

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Guide
11/15/24 6:39:23 PM
#80:


Kolibri_X posted...
I have never seen someone so adamant about dosing water with literal poison so children MAY have less cavities

"literal poison"

Why do you just ignore everyone telling you how dosages work? Plain water poisonous if you drink too much. Poison is based on an amount and an intent, and the amount of fluoride in tap water is not poisonous. Why do you keep ignoring this? You gave a link and it doesn't back up your claim at all; you even end up arguing against it. Did you really just look up a google header and link it without reading? Why can't you be honest?

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wanderingshade
11/15/24 6:57:13 PM
#81:


Srk700 posted...
Everything on this planet is toxic to you if you take in too much of it. So maybe you should go live in an actual bubble your entire life and stay there if stuff like this scares you so much.

Guy goes around complaining about fluoride levels that are like 1/1000th what's in toothpaste being in water, but then goes around inhaling tire particles and brake dust. That's heavy metals. In your lungs.

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EPR-radar
11/15/24 7:20:12 PM
#82:


SilvosForever posted...
Why do the GOP feel the need to completely ignore doctors, researchers, scientists etc. on every single goddamn topic?
Willfully ignorant people are very fond of the idea that their deliberately chosen stupidity makes them better then the experts.

Can't think why.

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EPR-radar
11/15/24 7:21:18 PM
#83:


Guide posted...
"literal poison"

Why do you just ignore everyone telling you how dosages work? Plain water poisonous if you drink too much. Poison is based on an amount and an intent, and the amount of fluoride in tap water is not poisonous. Why do you keep ignoring this? You gave a link and it doesn't back up your claim at all; you even end up arguing against it. Did you really just look up a google header and link it without reading? Why can't you be honest?
That poster is a MAGAt.

Being honest is lethal for their kind.

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Guide
11/15/24 7:52:03 PM
#84:


EPR-radar posted...
That poster is a MAGAt.

Being honest is lethal for their kind.

I am quite aware, but being clear and honest is how I handle that.

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TheGreatEscape
11/15/24 8:03:29 PM
#85:


Kolibri_X posted...
It is completely insane to put chemicals in drinking water that could impact kids brains for purpose of reducing cavities and should be stopped.
the science in most of the peer reviewed articles is pretty mediocre and many have come out against these studies. they are not the consensus. See Guichon et al. 2024, for a solid review

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