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_____Cait 11/24/24 3:54:43 AM #1: |
Just saw it for the first time. Thought it was great. As someone who has lived as a foreigner and been totally immersed in another culture and language, it resonated a lot. So some things I took away, after having just finished it. -Louise was able to understand the non-linear nature of time, because she was beginning to not only understand the language, but she was immersed in it, and was beginning to understand their life and culture? This is only implied, but it solves the issue of why others who learn the language cant see time the way Louise does. -Louise is in some point in time that we cant pinpoint exactly? The movie starts with a glimpse of the future, and then goes to the main part of the story with the spaceship. Since Louise can kind of pull time towards her, she was able to call the Chinese leader and five him the message. But Ive heard some say that he knew how to do it enough to where he knew to show Louise his phone number and wifes dying words. It makes sense, as otherwise it just comes off as stupid and hokey. We know he was playing some kind of game with the aliens, so maybe he also had an intimate understanding of them too, to a certain degree. -The language itself isnt linear. The circles never connect. Which leaves things open to interpretation. Anyone who has studied language and has been fully immersed knows that words dont actually always mean things, but they imply feelings or even history of events, that others outside of that culture couldnt understand intimately. Its why we dont make direct translations of certain things, because some things lack meaning without the experience or deep cultural trauma or heart behind it. Not really important, but just a cool detail I was curious about. Anyway yeah TLDR, but i was impressed with the movie and felt sad that i missed it for nearly 8 years. --- ORAS secret base: http://imgur.com/V9nAVrd 3DS friend code: 0173-1465-1236 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 11/24/24 4:08:42 AM #2: |
I love that movie. It's up there with Interstellar. I don't know much about linguistics though so I can't speak much on that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_____Cait 11/24/24 4:18:20 AM #3: |
Zikten posted... I love that movie. It's up there with Interstellar. I don't know much about linguistics though so I can't speak much on that. Yeah I also loved Interstellar. Ive also been getting into 3 Body Problem (books, and netflix) and they share some similar themes, yet are vastly different. --- ORAS secret base: http://imgur.com/V9nAVrd 3DS friend code: 0173-1465-1236 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hejiru 11/24/24 4:24:55 AM #4: |
I liked it, but the ending made no sense to me. Learning their language gives you time travel powers? --- The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_____Cait 11/24/24 4:30:47 AM #5: |
Hejiru posted... I liked it, but the ending made no sense to me. Learning their language gives you time travel powers? I dont think the language itself gave anyone powers. We only ever see Louise using it, and possibly the Chinese leader. We know others know the language. I think its based on the idea in linguistics, that words are not linear, but have meaning, culture, and nuance. They say in the movie that you start to change the way you think as you learn new languages, but it is also believed that the only true way to UNDERSTAND a language is to know the history and culture, and hearts of the people. Louise did that, so she knows how they can use time travel. I dont think the time travel is explained, but it is implied that Louise is the only one who actually understood the aliens on a spiritual level. Especially when she comes into physical contact with them and when she feels the vibrations of their speech. --- ORAS secret base: http://imgur.com/V9nAVrd 3DS friend code: 0173-1465-1236 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Foppe 11/24/24 5:41:24 AM #6: |
I've seen the movie twice, and I can swear that the first time had a scene that was missing the second time. Louise is in the future, being a teacher that teach the alien linguistics to students. One asks if they can get rich by checking next week's lottery numbers, and she answers that they can't chose what to see from the future. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BeefEaster 11/24/24 5:41:31 AM #7: |
The way I understood it is that once you truly understand the language, you gain access to time on another dimension that doesn't just move forward. Like, your memories are no longer just from the past, but also from the future, so you can sort of time travel by remembering things that haven't happened yet. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_____Cait 11/24/24 5:44:13 AM #8: |
BeefEaster posted... The way I understood it is that once you truly understand the language, you gain access to time on another dimension that doesn't just move forward. Like, your memories are no longer just from the past, but also from the future, so you can sort of time travel by remembering things that haven't happened yet. Yeah I can get that too. --- ORAS secret base: http://imgur.com/V9nAVrd 3DS friend code: 0173-1465-1236 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Yomi 11/24/24 6:07:18 AM #9: |
Hejiru posted... I liked it, but the ending made no sense to me. Learning their language gives you time travel powers?The way I interpreted it, it's not really time travel at all, Louis, by mastering their language, was able to perceive time just like the heptapods do (non-linearly). It seems the timeline is already set in stone and instead of experiencing it one event after the other, they experience it as it being just there all laid out. I don't know if I'm going out of my depth here, maybe I am, but I like to think it's like if you were to master a language that makes heavy use of absolute cardinal directions (like Kuuk Thaayorre or another similar Australian Aboriginal language) instead of relative directions, you kind of end up living your life as if you had a compass with you at all times. At least that's how I imagine it. I think language does shape the way we think to at least some degree. --- Chez moi, il fait beau. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_____Cait 11/24/24 6:10:27 AM #10: |
Yomi posted... The way I interpreted it, it's not really time travel at all, Louis, by mastering their language, was able to perceive time just like the heptapods do (non-linearly). It seems the timeline is already set in stone and instead of experiencing it one event after the other, they experience it as it being just there all laid out. Yeah, exactly this, and the main characters even talk about it a couple times. --- ORAS secret base: http://imgur.com/V9nAVrd 3DS friend code: 0173-1465-1236 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ajiri 11/24/24 6:56:04 AM #12: |
Ajiri posted... My interpretation is that the technology humans gave the aliens technology to help save their civilization was actually a war weapon, I think there is a third alien group that also attacked humans where humans became victorious in the end, when the Arrival aliens saw that as extinctual threat they asked humans for same weapons in case the other aliens resurge and attempt to attack them. In exchange for the war weapon Arrival aliens give them their language which help them predict the future with great accuracy, not actual time travel but great predictably and statistical understanding - hence all the events in Arrival unfold and Louise who masters the language is able to accept everything that will happen in her life, after her husband also gets to this point he knows too and blames her for never warning him --- WIRED https://www.youtube.com/user/wired ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MacadamianNut3 11/24/24 8:25:46 AM #13: |
Yeah I work with linguists (to implement and evaluate their stuff on robots/virtual agents) and we watched that movie as a group on the clock one day I remember it being pretty cool but I forgot the details of the movie since it was a while ago --- Roll Tide & Go Irish ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ROBANN_88 11/24/24 8:31:51 AM #14: |
Foppe posted... I've seen the movie twice, and I can swear that the first time had a scene that was missing the second time. i do remember there definitely being a teaching scene, but as to that kind of detail, i don't know --- Kremlin delenda est ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GiftedACIII 11/24/24 8:33:38 AM #15: |
Just saw it recently. I think it's funny how the good ending is pretty much the main villain's goal in Jojo Stone Ocean. --- </topic> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Baron_Ox 11/24/24 9:20:05 AM #16: |
iirc, basically, it used the Sapir-Worf hypothesis to the extreme. and that's how language informs our reality. an example that's used is how Inuit people have more words for snow in their language to express their concept of it, they can perceive it on a deeper level than others. in Arrival, since the heptapods had a non-linear language, they also experienced reality non-linearly, and they were able to pass that on to the lead with her study of them. as for the stuff in the beginning, I think we saw the events of her life in a linear way, for the most part, but the stuff with her daughter was a twist to drive the message of the movie home, and that her non-linear perception of reality only after she learned it from the heptapods so anything before that in the timeline was unaffected. anyway, I've only seen it once back when it first came out in 2016(?), but it's still probably my favorite sci-fi movie. --- "I could never encapsulate all my cosmicality on my own." - mr. MFN eXquire. https://imgur.com/a/b0bpBPe ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WesternMedia 11/27/24 6:12:58 AM #17: |
It was interesting --- Cherish me ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ssjevot 11/27/24 7:44:41 AM #18: |
It's a good movie but the linguistics is awful. Which is funny because the short story it's based on has really well done linguistics research. Though of course the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis is still pseudoscience in the way it's commonly presented (at most language can have some mild influence on some thoughts). --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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