Current Events > C/D - Episode 9 is the worst of the mainline Star Wars films.

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Phantom Menace at least has one cool thing like the Duel of Fates song.

I think you can know all you need to know about a person if they think 8 is worse than 9.

That theyre right?

Episode 2 is the worst for me because it's impossible for me to remember anything that happened in it.

You don't remember any of these...?
Jango Fett vs Obi Wan...
Anakin's mother dying...
The arena fight...
Yoda vs Count Dooku...
Anakin and Padme getting married?

You don't remember any of these...?
Jango Fett vs Obi Wan...
Anakin's mother dying...
The arena fight...
Yoda vs Count Dooku...
Anakin and Padme getting married?

Episode 2 is real bad but Episode 9 essentially ruined the entire Sequel Trilogy and killed what interest I had left in Star Wars as a franchise so I say it's the worst. I was looking forward to unhinged Kylo Ren after Last Jedi with maybe a funny Luke haunting him from the Force but lol no it's Palpatine. And that kiss in Episode 9. Ugh. So ridiculous after what happened in Last Jedi.

EDIT: Oh and Finn literally doing nothing but scream "Rey!" for half the movie.

I legitimately thought a couple of these (spoilers 2 and 5) happened in Episode 3

I guess that's fair. If you haven't seen the Prequels for more than a decade, some of the events might blur together. Still, the fact you remember those parts at least shows you remember some stuff from that movie.

2. He lost to an 100% untrained Rey in The Force Awakens. Heck, even a stormtrooper with a lightsaber (Finn) managed to get a glancing blow on him.

I still don't know why people hate the Last Jedi when it was pretty damn good. I just honestly don't see why people hate it.

Rian did a lot of things differently and I liked that. I hate Star Wars fanboys because its like they don't even know what they want. They complained about 7 being just like 4 and then when Rian turned everything on its head in the sequel, they complained that it was too different.

My only really major complaint was how terrible the scene with Leia using the force was. Not that she used it but it looked pretty damn wonky.

9 was terrible. 9 was so hilariously stupid because its like they spent the whole sequel trying to backpedal and that ruined everything.

Star Wars toxic fanboys ruined Star Wars.

1. Had Luke's character due a complete 180 to subvert expectations while having a shitty pay off
2. Worst movie side quest ever (Casino Planet/this random Hacker guy will do subplot)
3. Rose crashing full speed into Finn's tiny raggedy ass seeder saved him when it should have killed the both (seriously my first reaction was Rose is a double agent)
4. Most boring episode of Star Trek ever with the dreadfully dull drawn out space chase
5. Holdo causing more problems than she's solving being cryptic as shit
6. LolSuperWoman Leia
7. Made Poe to look like a complete idiot despite Holdo kinda putting him in a bad spot
8. Finn was an awesome character in TFA, while here he's well there...
9. Turned Snoke into a joke character
10. Most impractical bomber ships introduced to cause artificial dramatic tension

Luke's character was actually really well written for the kinds of experiences he has had, what he has been taught, and who he has always been.

Where do I begin with TLJ?

1. Had Luke's character due a complete 180 to subvert expectations while having a shitty pay off
2. Worst movie side quest ever (Casino Planet/this random Hacker guy will do subplot)
3. Rose crashing full speed into Finn's tiny raggedy ass seeder saved him when it should have killed the both (seriously my first reaction was Rose is a double agent)
4. Most boring episode of Star Trek ever with the dreadfully dull drawn out space chase
5. Holdo causing more problems than she's solving being cryptic as shit
6. LolSuperWoman Leia
7. Made Poe to look like a complete idiot despite Holdo kinda putting him in a bad spot
8. Finn was an awesome character in TFA, while here he's well there...
9. Turned Snoke into a joke character
10. Most impractical bomber ships introduced to cause artificial dramatic tension

1. Finn was completely worthless. His dialogue was 90% "Rey!" He's basically a Pokemon.
2. The most arbitrary step by step path to finding the ruins of the Deathstar in turbulent water using a specially designed knife that works in one singular unmarked spot of shoreline.
3. Turning the Latino character into a drug smuggler.
4. Completely stupid 10 second Chewbacca fakeout.
5. Bill Weasley's stupid "I'm the spy" bit.
6. Palpatine has somehow secretly made an armada of ships that are mini death stars.
7. Ben Solo having no lines.
8. The kiss.
9. Pointless C3P0 fakeout.
10. Turned Vader into a joke character.
11. Rey Skywalker... because branding or something?

I think it's not even a discussion at this point. It fails to be a good "Star Wars" movie, it fails to be a good sequel to Episode 8, it fails to really be anything but an attempt to retcon what JJ didn't like of Episode 8 and then rush to a conclusion.

Rise of Skywalker is by far the worst of those films.

This topic should give you pause.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhckuhUxcgA

I think episode 2 is worse than 9, but it's like, why bother arguing? They're both the peak of awful.

There are still people who say episode 8 is worse than episode 9 and you have to wonder about those people on like, a functioning level.

I think episode 2 is worse than 9, but it's like, why bother arguing? They're both the peak of awful.

There are still people who say episode 8 is worse than episode 9 and you have to wonder about those people on like, a functioning level.

Where do I begin with TLJ?

1. Had Luke's character due a complete 180 to subvert expectations while having a shitty pay off
2. Worst movie side quest ever (Casino Planet/this random Hacker guy will do subplot)
3. Rose crashing full speed into Finn's tiny raggedy ass seeder saved him when it should have killed the both (seriously my first reaction was Rose is a double agent)
4. Most boring episode of Star Trek ever with the dreadfully dull drawn out space chase
5. Holdo causing more problems than she's solving being cryptic as shit
6. LolSuperWoman Leia
7. Made Poe to look like a complete idiot despite Holdo kinda putting him in a bad spot
8. Finn was an awesome character in TFA, while here he's well there...
9. Turned Snoke into a joke character
10. Most impractical bomber ships introduced to cause artificial dramatic tension
I'm sure I'm missing something

Like literally Rian Johnson straight up sabotaged all of JJ's TFA plot points just so he could wank himself

And you think RoS was better?
1. Finn was completely worthless. His dialogue was 90% "Rey!" He's basically a Pokemon.
2. The most arbitrary step by step path to finding the ruins of the Deathstar in turbulent water using a specially designed knife that works in one singular unmarked spot of shoreline.
3. Turning the Latino character into a drug smuggler.
4. Completely stupid 10 second Chewbacca fakeout.
5. Bill Weasley's stupid "I'm the spy" bit.
6. Palpatine has somehow secretly made an armada of ships that are mini death stars.
7. Ben Solo having no lines.
8. The kiss.
9. Pointless C3P0 fakeout.
10. Turned Vader into a joke character.
11. Rey Skywalker... because branding or something?
I'll admit that TLJ isn't amazing (though I think it has some of the best shots of the entire series) but Rise of Skywalker is utterly horrible.

Where do I begin with TLJ?

1. Had Luke's character due a complete 180 to subvert expectations while having a shitty pay off

2. Worst movie side quest ever (Casino Planet/this random Hacker guy will do subplot)
3. Rose crashing full speed into Finn's tiny raggedy ass seeder saved him when it should have killed the both (seriously my first reaction was Rose is a double agent)

4. Most boring episode of Star Trek ever with the dreadfully dull drawn out space chase
5. Holdo causing more problems than she's solving being cryptic as shit
6. LolSuperWoman Leia

7. Made Poe to look like a complete idiot despite Holdo kinda putting him in a bad spot
8. Finn was an awesome character in TFA, while here he's well there...
9. Turned Snoke into a joke character
10. Most impractical bomber ships introduced to cause artificial dramatic tension

I'm sure I'm missing something

Like literally Rian Johnson straight up sabotaged all of JJ's TFA plot points just so he could wank himself

People shit on the sequel trilogy so hard, but each film was better than just about any prequel trilogy film in nearly every way. I really enjoyed them all and hope to see more of these characters tbh.

Lukes character didnt do a 180. Hes completely consistent with how luke is in the OT. He just kept his flaws; which kids in the 80s didn't perceive.

Oh and they have massive plot holes too, ones that make even TROS look tame. Why do Obi Wan and Anakin go to rescue Palpatine in 2 single seater ships? How tf were they gonna get him off world without stealing dookus ship?

People shit on the sequel trilogy so hard, but each film was better than just about any prequel trilogy film in nearly every way. I really enjoyed them all and hope to see more of these characters tbh.

Finn seemingly being force sensitive

Snoke being the main bad guy and what he was going to bring to the table

Rey's Parents

Finn being unconscious and on deaths door meant nothing at all

VIII is.

It ignored all of Luke's character development in the OT and turned him into a cranky get off my lawn guy,. His death was a complete joke

2. Side quest was both relevant to the plot of the film and what the heroes were trying to do, AND expanded on the movies central theme.

lame side quest is still lame, it was more boring than Anakin and Padme on Naboo in Ep. 2.

3. You absolutely did not think rose was a turn coat because she was clesrly saving finn from a suicide kamikaze run in the movie when she does this.

You mean she it looked like she attempted to kamikaze Finn herself seriously I don't how the hell we could expect anyone to survive that other than PiS

4. Drawn out chase? Its a good thing they break it up with not one but two side plots then!

All 3 sucked and didn't make a watchable movie.

5. Holdo caused exactly zero problems. The bad guys, and poe being poe caused those problems. Holdo just prevented poe from doing exactly what poe telegraphed he would do. Which would've gotten them all killed. Compartmentalization same as nick fury.

Holdo came out of no where with no explanation, and if Nick were in a situation he was trapped on a ship he would have shown actual signs of leadership instead of standing there with a smug look and a half baked plan.

6. Leia has always been force capable. If you didn't know this before tlj you were not paying attention.

Of course she is doesn't make the scene less stupid

7. Poe isnt an idiot. Hes a hothead; thats consistent character writing to write him like an impulsive hot head. We've known this since epsidoe 7, when he tried to one shot *kylo ren* while being outnumbered and outrun by an entire stormtroopers fleet... alone. Thats not a flaw of the movie. Thats a strength.

Except the movie goes out of it's way to demean Poe

8. Here finn gets character development and grows a motive beyond just chasing after rey?

Yeah Finn had more character development in the first ten minutes of TFA than in TLJ and RoS combined.

9.Where was snoke a joke in this movie I'm? He did the exact same thing he did in 7. Actually he did more.. in 7 hes a crippled old man threatening a young villain. In this movie that young villain finally stops taking his crap and kills him.. where is there a joke there?

he's a caricature in 8 and gets the 2nd lamest death in the series (next to Luke)

10. All the ships are introduced for tension... they arent real lmao. Same as why in ESB the heroes are using ships shaped like pancakes to fight against the At At walkers and the falcon is out of commission all of a sudden. Because of dramatic tension. Also how is it impractical? It literslly works in the movie.

Snowspeeders are light aircrafts that at least are very maneuverable in the arctic tundra. Those bombers had about as much defensive capabilities defense as your standard Goomba in a Mario game, and with how big and slow they were they shouldn't have been able to bomb anything other than a nursing home. It took suicide bombing PiS for it to work, at least ESB had a creative solution.

Name one plot point JJ actually set up that Ryan "ruined". All JJ "set up" were mystery boxes he never intended to answer, which he always does. Blaming rian for actually answering them is nonsensical.

Luke leaving a map behind for when the galaxy needed him, reaches out cautiously towards his Lightsaber just has a go away attitude and ruin the weight of his return
Finn seemingly being force sensitive
Snoke being the main bad guy and what he was going to bring to the table
Rey's Parents
Phasma
Knights of Ren (which did get revealed in RoS but they were completely ignored in TFA which made them much more shoehorned inn)
Finn being unconscious and on deaths door meant nothing at all

Posts like thus highlight how weak the arguments against TLJ are. You have to achieve deny the existence of character writing and development to make them because most of them are just there to dress up the gripes about luke.

the whole movie was drag and had the most boring solutions and all the plots were written and executed like filler

JJ didn't do anything with that either. If that was set up in TFA, JJ did nothing with it in RoS.

This is honestly my favorite part of TLJ and the thing that disappoints me most about RoS. Instead of following down the same trodden path of "no it's the scary guy in the chair that's the real villain" Johnson set up an interesting situation with Kylo just wanting to burn it all down. Leading to the potential for an interesting triangle of Kylo, Hux, and the good guys. I'm so upset we don't get to see Kylo going all out or Rey realizing that the Jedi weren't great either.

Rey being a nobody would have been so much better for the overall franchise. The idea of the Force powerfully rising out of a nobody would be so much more meaningful than her being strong because this stupid franchise really does just revolve around powerful blood.

Also I really like Jenny Nicholson's critique on the idea that they sold her to protect her:
"They wanted to protect her... but, yes, money did change hands."

Unfortunately turns out Finn meant nothing to anyone.

I don't know about Phasma. She really shouldn't have come back in TLJ. Or should have somehow come back in RoS (make her a clone or something I don't know). She was just completely wasted throughout the whole series.

And the Knights of Ren should have been more. And I believe they could have been if Kylo had become the villain. Instead they were just jobbers that didn't ultimately matter.

I am pretty sure casino planet is the single most agreed upon bad part of episode 8. I can't imagine defending it, but if you do, just be aware you have picked a very unpopular take.

People shit on the sequel trilogy so hard, but each film was better than just about any prequel trilogy film in nearly every way. I really enjoyed them all and hope to see more of these characters tbh.

TLJ exists so no.

If you hate that Episode 9 brought Palatine back, it's Episode 8's fault for killing off Snoke and failing to introduce any other villains.