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CARRRNE_ASADA 11/25/24 8:23:07 AM #1:	It was my most anticipated goty and it became the biggest gaming disappointment of my life. I had never regretted a purchase until veilguard. I thought it was the chud media exaggerating as always, but for once they were right. Game is overall decent, but the characters, story and dialogue really are as bad people were saying. There is no real writing...just words describing whatever is on screen in the simplest of terms. Characters act and speak like kids and the game talks down on you like you're dumb. Villain feels taken out of a power rangers episode and evil acts are greatly dumbed down. Theres no mention of really bad stuff like slaves and your character cant even be mean. It is really Disney dragon age. Question is...why? What compelled them? Trying to appeal to a wider demographic instead of just the boomers who grew up with dark fantasy? Was it direction from EA or just Bioware? Were they just chasing old trends while gamers moved on to hardcore games like Elden Ring and Baldurs Gate 3? The latter which really seems like the evolution of what people wanted out of a DA game. Now the game doesnt seem to belling much and its just another self inflicted wound. --- SEXY SEXY! <cite>CARRRNE_ASADA posted [p:983071460] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>It was my most anticipated goty and it became the biggest gaming disappointment of my life. I had never regretted a purchase until veilguard. I thought it was the chud media exaggerating as always, but for once they were right.Game is overall decent, but the characters, story and dialogue really are as bad people were saying. There is no real writing...just words describing whatever is on screen in the simplest of terms. Characters act and speak like kids and the game talks down on you like you're dumb. Villain feels taken out of a power rangers episode and evil acts are greatly dumbed down. Theres no mention of really bad stuff like slaves and your character cant even be mean. It is really Disney dragon age.Question is...why? What compelled them? Trying to appeal to a wider demographic instead of just the boomers who grew up with dark fantasy? Was it direction from EA or just Bioware? Were they just chasing old trends while gamers moved on to hardcore games like Elden Ring and Baldurs Gate 3? The latter which really seems like the evolution of what people wanted out of a DA game.Now the game doesnt seem to belling much and its just another self inflicted wound.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 11/25/24 8:44:24 AM #3:	CARRRNE_ASADA posted... . I thought it was the chud media exaggerating as always, but for once they were right. Lmao <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:983071611] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>CARRRNE_ASADA posted... </cite><quote>. I thought it was the chud media exaggerating as always, but for once they were right.</quote>Lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 11/25/24 9:19:45 AM #4:	Higher ups from everything the devs have hinted at. Numerous tweets on bluesky where they basically say they wanted to do a lot of what people said or fix their criticisms but were denied. EA truly is Bioware's curse. --- Let's make biscuits! <cite>Funkydog posted [p:983071902] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Higher ups from everything the devs have hinted at. Numerous tweets on bluesky where they basically say they wanted to do a lot of what people said or fix their criticisms but were denied. EA truly is Bioware's curse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CARRRNE_ASADA 11/25/24 9:45:03 AM #5:	WingsOfGood posted... Lmao They complain about a non binary character. Level headed people complain about the way the subject is tackled and how it seems written by a 13 tear old. --- SEXY SEXY! <cite>CARRRNE_ASADA posted [p:983072112] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite><quote>Lmao</quote>They complain about a non binary character. Level headed people complain about the way the subject is tackled and how it seems written by a 13 tear old.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivynn 11/25/24 9:48:57 AM #6:	EA, focus group'd to heck, wanting to appeal to the widest audience without offending sensibilities, being a live-service game for much of its development only for EA to go "whoops! nevermind!", a lot of factors unfortunately. --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif <cite>Ivynn posted [p:983072147] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>EA, focus group'd to heck, wanting to appeal to the widest audience without offending sensibilities, being a live-service game for much of its development only for EA to go "whoops! nevermind!", a lot of factors unfortunately.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
megamanfreakXD 11/25/24 9:50:43 AM #7:	I saw some scenes from that game. I felt like HR was sitting behind me watching it, as a requirement for my annual DEI training. So glad I didn't buy it. --- https://imgur.com/siho8xp http://error1355.com/ce/megamanfreakXD.html <cite>megamanfreakXD posted [p:983072163] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>I saw some scenes from that game.I felt like HR was sitting behind me watching it, as a requirement for my annual DEI training.So glad I didn't buy it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Back_Stabbath 11/25/24 9:57:56 AM #8:	I enjoyed the Mass Effect 2 esque party recruitment and eventually assignment for the "suicide mission" but yeah, it is dumbed down incredibly. Too much bland side story to build up their trust and faction readiness so I just settled for the shit ending and looked up the varients/true ending. Rook is also pretty much three flavours of paragon Shepard too, no option to asshole it through. --- https://i.imgur.com/Iv5fRLt.gif <cite>Back_Stabbath posted [p:983072229] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>I enjoyed the Mass Effect 2 esque party recruitment and eventually assignment for the "suicide mission" but yeah, it is dumbed down incredibly. Too much bland side story to build up their trust and faction readiness so I just settled for the shit ending and looked up the varients/true ending. Rook is also pretty much three flavours of paragon Shepard too, no option to asshole it through.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prismsblade 11/25/24 10:32:12 AM #9:	Even if exec meddling was involved that doesnt really explain why every other aspect of the game was garbage beyond just the writing and story. Tbh, I dont think current BioWare is even capable of creating a new DA our par with the older ones. Which sadly I think will be the same with Mass Effect 4. Never mind how adverse devs are to players making evil choices at all. Going so far as to either punish players for doing so. Or maybe just offering them less rewards. Giving players a pseudo illusion of choice basically. --- 3DS FC:3368-5403-9633 Name: Kaizer PSN: Blackkaizer <cite>Prismsblade posted [p:983072539] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Even if exec meddling was involved that doesnt really explain why every other aspect of the game was garbage beyond just the writing and story.Tbh, I dont think current BioWare is even capable of creating a new DA our par with the older ones. Which sadly I think will be the same with Mass Effect 4.Never mind how adverse devs are to players making evil choices at all. Going so far as to either punish players for doing so. Or maybe just offering them less rewards. Giving players a pseudo illusion of choice basically.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kai_Laguna 11/25/24 10:34:55 AM #10:	If the blunders of Dragon Age 2 or Inquisition didn't scare you off, I don't know why Veilguard would. <cite>Kai_Laguna posted [p:983072562] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>If the blunders of Dragon Age 2 or Inquisition didn't scare you off, I don't know why Veilguard would.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaldrenthebold 11/25/24 10:52:10 AM #11:	Anticipating a modern Dragon Age in this current year was your first mistake. Your second was believing in modern Bioware. Your third was actually getting it. --- http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u223/chocolateFRESH/arts/kraid.png - Thanks GP cosmonaut! http://i.imgur.com/TuJWAR8.jpg <cite>Kaldrenthebold posted [p:983072728] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Anticipating a modern Dragon Age in this current year was your first mistake. Your second was believing in modern Bioware. Your third was actually getting it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SuperShake666 11/25/24 10:55:11 AM #12:	They scrapped and rewrote the story 4 times during development. As a Dragon Age fan I had no faith in it from the get. --- "Look, if I was good at math, I wouldn't be on CE at 2:00 the morning clicking on topics about porn stars ****ing horses." - May 2017, Dash_Harber <cite>SuperShake666 posted [p:983072758] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>They scrapped and rewrote the story 4 times during development. As a Dragon Age fan I had no faith in it from the get.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CARRRNE_ASADA 11/25/24 11:03:09 AM #13:	Kai_Laguna posted... If the blunders of Dragon Age 2 or Inquisition didn't scare you off, I don't know why Veilguard would. Cause you had a story, characters and fun interactions to hold on to. ME is one of the greatest RPGs, but its rise to fame is due to how you handle Shepard through all the moral dilemmas of the game and not so much the actual shooting gameplay. --- SEXY SEXY! <cite>CARRRNE_ASADA posted [p:983072847] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Kai_Laguna posted... </cite><quote>If the blunders of Dragon Age 2 or Inquisition didn't scare you off, I don't know why Veilguard would.</quote>Cause you had a story, characters and fun interactions to hold on to. ME is one of the greatest RPGs, but its rise to fame is due to how you handle Shepard through all the moral dilemmas of the game and not so much the actual shooting gameplay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
codey 11/25/24 11:10:27 AM #14:	This is just what BioWare is now. Their last three games were one canceled mid development, Anthem, and ME Andromeda. The higher ups that led the studio in the 200s and early 2010s are gone. This is just an EA subsidiary now. --- *runs out of topic naked* <cite>codey posted [p:983072913] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>This is just what BioWare is now. Their last three games were one canceled mid development, Anthem, and ME Andromeda. The higher ups that led the studio in the 200s and early 2010s are gone. This is just an EA subsidiary now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DUKLegend 11/25/24 11:18:58 AM #15:	CARRRNE_ASADA posted... I thought it was the chud media exaggerating as always, but for once they were right. You know Bioware screwed up when they gave these people a free W. <cite>DUKLegend posted [p:983072989] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>CARRRNE_ASADA posted... </cite><quote>I thought it was the chud media exaggerating as always, but for once they were right.</quote>You know Bioware screwed up when they gave these people a free W.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 11/25/24 11:29:19 AM #16:	Personally I thought the game was pretty solid overall and I don't really get the hate. The combat is great, visually the game is beautiful, the companions are generally likable and fun, and while the writing has its lows, it also has highs and is generally solid throughout IMO. Really this is how Bioware has always been - games with good highs, shitty lows, and general "it's pretty solid" competence throughout - but nostalgia blinds folks to this fact. I get that people wanting a CRPG like Origins are disappointed, and that's fair, but I'd argue that expecting that after Dragon Age hasn't been that for like 15 years seems silly. Ultimately I think this is a true Dragon Age game in that it's not too much like any of the others and the only consistent thing about DA is that it's inconsistent. VG is easily the second best DA game IMO. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:983073101] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Personally I thought the game was pretty solid overall and I don't really get the hate. The combat is great, visually the game is beautiful, the companions are generally likable and fun, and while the writing has its lows, it also has highs and is generally solid throughout IMO. Really this is how Bioware has always been - games with good highs, shitty lows, and general "it's pretty solid" competence throughout - but nostalgia blinds folks to this fact.I get that people wanting a CRPG like Origins are disappointed, and that's fair, but I'd argue that expecting that after Dragon Age hasn't been that for like 15 years seems silly.Ultimately I think this is a true Dragon Age game in that it's not too much like any of the others and the only consistent thing about DA is that it's inconsistent.VG is easily the second best DA game IMO.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dungeater 11/25/24 11:30:53 AM #17:	as someone who first played this series in 2020, no it is not nostalgia and im surprised to hear u think bioware has always had "good highs, shitty lows, and general "it's pretty solid" competence throughout" neverwinter, kotor, and DAO are genre-defining games imo --- My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all. He/Him <cite>Dungeater posted [p:983073116] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>as someone who first played this series in 2020, no it is not nostalgia and im surprised to hear u think bioware has always had "good highs, shitty lows, and general "it's pretty solid" competence throughout"neverwinter, kotor, and DAO are genre-defining games imo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 11/25/24 11:36:33 AM #18:	Dungeater posted... as someone who first played this series in 2020, no it is not nostalgia and im surprised to hear u think bioware has always had "good highs, shitty lows, and general "it's pretty solid" competence throughout" neverwinter, kotor, and DAO are genre-defining games imo Games can be genre defining and still fit what I said. Ultimately it's just IMO that they've always been like that. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:983073178] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Dungeater posted... </cite><quote>as someone who first played this series in 2020, no it is not nostalgia and im surprised to hear u think bioware has always had "good highs, shitty lows, and general "it's pretty solid" competence throughout"neverwinter, kotor, and DAO are genre-defining games imo</quote>Games can be genre defining and still fit what I said. Ultimately it's just IMO that they've always been like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dungeater 11/25/24 11:40:22 AM #19:	Murphiroth posted... Games can be genre defining and still fit what I said. Ultimately it's just IMO that they've always been like that. i would have taken it as ur opinion yeah but in the same sentence u said "nostalgia blinds people to this fact" so it seemed like you were discounting others and/or asserting your view over theirs --- My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all. He/Him <cite>Dungeater posted [p:983073219] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Murphiroth posted... </cite><quote>Games can be genre defining and still fit what I said. Ultimately it's just IMO that they've always been like that.</quote>i would have taken it as ur opinion yeah but in the same sentence u said "nostalgia blinds people to this fact" so it seemed like you were discounting others and/or asserting your view over theirs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsNotA2Mer 11/25/24 11:40:40 AM #20:	CARRRNE_ASADA posted... I had never regretted a purchase until veilguard. I find this almost impossible to believe. --- It's not the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in. (He/Him). <cite>ItsNotA2Mer posted [p:983073222] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>CARRRNE_ASADA posted... </cite><quote>I had never regretted a purchase until veilguard.</quote>I find this almost impossible to believe. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 11/25/24 11:42:20 AM #21:	Dungeater posted... i would have taken it as ur opinion yeah but in the same sentence u said "nostalgia blinds people to this fact" so it seemed like you were discounting others and/or asserting your view over theirs Ah. For clarity it's my opinion that people tend to dismiss or forget the shittier moments in their older games' writing out of nostalgia. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:983073234] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Dungeater posted... </cite><quote>i would have taken it as ur opinion yeah but in the same sentence u said "nostalgia blinds people to this fact" so it seemed like you were discounting others and/or asserting your view over theirs</quote>Ah. For clarity it's my opinion that people tend to dismiss or forget the shittier moments in their older games' writing out of nostalgia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dungeater 11/25/24 11:42:50 AM #22:	Murphiroth posted... I get that people wanting a CRPG like Origins are disappointed, and that's fair, but I'd argue that expecting that after Dragon Age hasn't been that for like 15 years seems silly i dont think anyone expected it. i think it being called "dragon age" is essentially forcing (or strongly encouraging) players and potential players to compare it to historic dragon age. it considers itself a sequel, not a spinoff, which accomplishes the same thing. drawing players attention to a better (different, but beloved) game is a losing formula. its setting expectations incorrectly. even though the games were neutered more and more woth release, you're invoking what people love about the brand, and they _will_ notice if it fails to come across im not sure how to articulate my point, i hope its coming across enough --- My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all. He/Him <cite>Dungeater posted [p:983073239] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Murphiroth posted... </cite><quote>I get that people wanting a CRPG like Origins are disappointed, and that's fair, but I'd argue that expecting that after Dragon Age hasn't been that for like 15 years seems silly</quote>i dont think anyone expected it. i think it being called "dragon age" is essentially forcing (or strongly encouraging) players and potential players to compare it to historic dragon age. it considers itself a sequel, not a spinoff, which accomplishes the same thing. drawing players attention to a better (different, but beloved) game is a losing formula. its setting expectations incorrectly. even though the games were neutered more and more woth release, you're invoking what people love about the brand, and they _will_ notice if it fails to come across im not sure how to articulate my point, i hope its coming across enough</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 11/25/24 11:45:15 AM #23:	EA has no idea how to make games anymore. --- Trucking Legend Don Schneider! <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:983073269] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>EA has no idea how to make games anymore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivynn 11/25/24 11:46:44 AM #24:	People have long since stopped expecting Dragon Age to return to its cRPG roots. What they expected was a Dragon Age game. 2 and Inquisition changed the formula but still felt like DA games. Veilguard sanded off a lot of what made Dragon Age, Dragon Age. One big issue being completely foregoing players' world states. Making the long-anticipated Tevinter setting completely unlike the lore established by the previous games. I'm sure most of what has been said has been said already tho, no need to go into the details again. --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif <cite>Ivynn posted [p:983073288] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>People have long since stopped expecting Dragon Age to return to its cRPG roots.What they expected was a Dragon Age game.2 and Inquisition changed the formula but still felt like DA games.Veilguard sanded off a lot of what made Dragon Age, Dragon Age. One big issue being completely foregoing players' world states. Making the long-anticipated Tevinter setting completely unlike the lore established by the previous games. I'm sure most of what has been said has been said already tho, no need to go into the details again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tripleh213 11/25/24 11:46:52 AM #25:	KiwiTerraRizing posted... EA has no idea how to make games anymore. --- Bucks World Champions 2021 PS4 looks great <cite>tripleh213 posted [p:983073290] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>KiwiTerraRizing posted... </cite><quote>EA has no idea how to make games anymore.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HighSeraph 11/25/24 11:47:31 AM #26:	Because it's an effort to chase trends. That's why it was going to be a live service and why it's a shitty action game now --- She/Her Crimsoness' Alt Dynamite with a laser beam <cite>HighSeraph posted [p:983073297] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Because it's an effort to chase trends. That's why it was going to be a live service and why it's a shitty action game now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC 11/25/24 11:49:21 AM #27:	CARRRNE_ASADA posted... They complain about a non binary character. Level headed people complain about the way the subject is tackled and how it seems written by a 13 tear old. Yeah, it was like the transgender NPC in Mass Effect: Andromeda. I don't have a problem with an NPC -- or even a party member -- being transgender. But this woman not only introduced herself to you basically with "hey, I'm trans", but also gave out her deadname, which is something I don't think any trans person would do IRL. --- The world may be going to Hell, but I am personally awash with convenience. <cite>DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC posted [p:983073317] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>CARRRNE_ASADA posted... </cite><quote>They complain about a non binary character. Level headed people complain about the way the subject is tackled and how it seems written by a 13 tear old.</quote>Yeah, it was like the transgender NPC in Mass Effect: Andromeda. I don't have a problem with an NPC -- or even a party member -- being transgender. But this woman not only introduced herself to you basically with "hey, I'm trans", but also gave out her deadname, which is something I don't think any trans person would do IRL.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CARRRNE_ASADA 11/25/24 11:49:57 AM #28:	ItsNotA2Mer posted... I find this almost impossible to believe. TBF I dont buy many games at release and when I do its because Im hyped and reviews seem fine. Veilguard is not a bad game. Its quite decent and even good at times. Its just that its crimes are pretty hard to forgive coming from a bioware game. Andromeda had very good shooting gameplay, but I also stopped playing over the dialogue. That one cost me like 10 bucks so I don't call it disappointing. --- SEXY SEXY! <cite>CARRRNE_ASADA posted [p:983073324] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>ItsNotA2Mer posted... </cite><quote>I find this almost impossible to believe.</quote>TBF I dont buy many games at release and when I do its because Im hyped and reviews seem fine. Veilguard is not a bad game. Its quite decent and even good at times. Its just that its crimes are pretty hard to forgive coming from a bioware game. Andromeda had very good shooting gameplay, but I also stopped playing over the dialogue. That one cost me like 10 bucks so I don't call it disappointing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 11/25/24 11:53:22 AM #29:	Dungeater posted... i dont think anyone expected it. i think it being called "dragon age" is essentially forcing (or strongly encouraging) players and potential players to compare to historic dragon age. it considers itself a sequel, not a spinoff, which accomplishes the same thing. drawing players attention to a better (different, but beloved) game is a losing formula. its setting expectations incorrectly im not sure how to articulate my point, i hope its coming across enough When I compare it to "historic Dragon age" (what does this mean when literally every Dragon Age is different) it compares pretty favorably in general IMO. Ivynn posted... People have long since stopped expecting Dragon Age to return to its cRPG roots. What they expected was a Dragon Age game. 2 and Inquisition changed the formula but still felt like DA games. Veilguard sanded off a lot of what made Dragon Age, Dragon Age. One big issue being completely foregoing players' world states. Making the long-anticipated Tevinter setting completely unlike the lore established by the previous games. I'm sure most of what has been said has been said already tho, no need to go into the details again. VG still feels like a Dragon Age game to me. I think the "sanding down" is drastically overstated. Tevinter is still the Tevinter of lore; we just only go to the shit poor district so you don't see as much of it. Definitely can understood being disappointed by that but eh, I like Neve and Dock Town so I'm fine with it. I also don't particularly give a shit about world states largely because with it being a decade on I expected them to not go too in depth about it, but I'm aware I'm an outlier there. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:983073351] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Dungeater posted... </cite><quote>i dont think anyone expected it. i think it being called "dragon age" is essentially forcing (or strongly encouraging) players and potential players to compare to historic dragon age. it considers itself a sequel, not a spinoff, which accomplishes the same thing. drawing players attention to a better (different, but beloved) game is a losing formula. its setting expectations incorrectly im not sure how to articulate my point, i hope its coming across enough</quote>When I compare it to "historic Dragon age" (what does this mean when literally every Dragon Age is different) it compares pretty favorably in general IMO. Ivynn posted... </cite><quote>People have long since stopped expecting Dragon Age to return to its cRPG roots.What they expected was a Dragon Age game.2 and Inquisition changed the formula but still felt like DA games.Veilguard sanded off a lot of what made Dragon Age, Dragon Age. One big issue being completely foregoing players' world states. Making the long-anticipated Tevinter setting completely unlike the lore established by the previous games. I'm sure most of what has been said has been said already tho, no need to go into the details again.</quote>VG still feels like a Dragon Age game to me. I think the "sanding down" is drastically overstated. Tevinter is still the Tevinter of lore; we just only go to the shit poor district so you don't see as much of it. Definitely can understood being disappointed by that but eh, I like Neve and Dock Town so I'm fine with it.I also don't particularly give a shit about world states largely because with it being a decade on I expected them to not go too in depth about it, but I'm aware I'm an outlier there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dungeater 11/25/24 11:56:35 AM #30:	Murphiroth posted... When I compare it to "historic Dragon age" (what does this mean when literally every Dragon Age is different) it compares pretty favorably in general IMO. player agency, tone, reverence for the material it means "the dragon age games that came before it" i havent played and wont be playing it, so im not criticizing the game. its good that you feel its a good fit. yours is the first opinion ive seen with that sentiment, so it seems to me like youre in the minority, but my sample size is small and i dont seek out discourse on the game so --- My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all. He/Him <cite>Dungeater posted [p:983073382] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Murphiroth posted... </cite><quote>When I compare it to "historic Dragon age" (what does this mean when literally every Dragon Age is different) it compares pretty favorably in general IMO.</quote>player agency, tone, reverence for the materialit means "the dragon age games that came before it" i havent played and wont be playing it, so im not criticizing the game. its good that you feel its a good fit. yours is the first opinion ive seen with that sentiment, so it seems to me like youre in the minority, but my sample size is small and i dont seek out discourse on the game so</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BloodyBenten 11/25/24 11:57:06 AM #31:	Focus groups and consultants told them its a good idea, and they didnt do any actual follow up research with gamers. Its time to get over Dragon Age anyway. Its a fifteen year old series with one good game + expansion pack the entire time. Yes there are some things to like in 2 and Inquisition, but theres so much better stuff out there. Veilguard has likely killed the series. <cite>BloodyBenten posted [p:983073390] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Focus groups and consultants told them its a good idea, and they didnt do any actual follow up research with gamers.Its time to get over Dragon Age anyway. Its a fifteen year old series with one good game + expansion pack the entire time. Yes there are some things to like in 2 and Inquisition, but theres so much better stuff out there. Veilguard has likely killed the series.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightSnake 11/25/24 11:58:54 AM #32:	BloodyBenten posted... Focus groups and consultants told them its a good idea, and they didnt do any actual follow up research with gamers. Its time to get over Dragon Age anyway. Its a fifteen year old series with one good game + expansion pack the entire time. Yes there are some things to like in 2 and Inquisition, but theres so much better stuff out there. Veilguard has likely killed the series. Whining about "focus groups and consultants" is pretty eye rolling. For all the ham handed writing, it's exactly how Gaider, Weeks, etc. write --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen <cite>LightSnake posted [p:983073403] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>BloodyBenten posted... </cite><quote>Focus groups and consultants told them its a good idea, and they didnt do any actual follow up research with gamers.Its time to get over Dragon Age anyway. Its a fifteen year old series with one good game + expansion pack the entire time. Yes there are some things to like in 2 and Inquisition, but theres so much better stuff out there. Veilguard has likely killed the series.</quote>Whining about "focus groups and consultants" is pretty eye rolling. For all the ham handed writing, it's exactly how Gaider, Weeks, etc. write</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
reincarnator07 11/25/24 12:01:22 PM #33:	Not being funny, but this is the same studio that brought you Anthem and ME: Andromeda. This is no longer the studio that gave us KotOR and Mass Effect. --- Fan of metal? Don't mind covers? Check out my youtube and give me some feedback http://www.youtube.com/sircaballero <cite>reincarnator07 posted [p:983073437] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Not being funny, but this is the same studio that brought you Anthem and ME: Andromeda. This is no longer the studio that gave us KotOR and Mass Effect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HighSeraph 11/25/24 12:02:12 PM #34:	Makes me fear what they'll do with ME4 tbh --- She/Her Crimsoness' Alt Dynamite with a laser beam <cite>HighSeraph posted [p:983073447] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Makes me fear what they'll do with ME4 tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 11/25/24 12:05:05 PM #35:	Dungeater posted... player agency, tone, reverence for the material it means "the dragon age games that came before it" i havent played and wont be playing it, so im not criticizing the game. its good that you feel its a good fit. yours is the first opinion ive seen with that sentiment, so it seems to me like youre in the minority, but my sample size is small and i dont seek out discourse on the game so For what it's worth the overall discourse is more mixed overall than like, a majority of people saying it's bad, but the game also got hit with a bunch of culture war garbage (you already see hints of that with some posts in this topic) so that well is poisoned. I think the best comparison I can make is that this feels more like ME2/ME3 era Bioware IMO, not Origins and earlier Bioware. Definitely not going to begrudge anyone for disliking it, I just personally think it's a remarkably solid like, 8/10. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:983073477] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Dungeater posted... </cite><quote>player agency, tone, reverence for the materialit means "the dragon age games that came before it" i havent played and wont be playing it, so im not criticizing the game. its good that you feel its a good fit. yours is the first opinion ive seen with that sentiment, so it seems to me like youre in the minority, but my sample size is small and i dont seek out discourse on the game so</quote>For what it's worth the overall discourse is more mixed overall than like, a majority of people saying it's bad, but the game also got hit with a bunch of culture war garbage (you already see hints of that with some posts in this topic) so that well is poisoned.I think the best comparison I can make is that this feels more like ME2/ME3 era Bioware IMO, not Origins and earlier Bioware. Definitely not going to begrudge anyone for disliking it, I just personally think it's a remarkably solid like, 8/10. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westernwolf4 11/25/24 12:05:55 PM #36:	I bounced off Dragon Age Inquisition very hard: no offense to anyone who liked it, but I thought it was one of the most completely boring games I have ever played. I have not played DA: V yet, but I plan to pick it up eventually. From what I have heard, I am just surprised folks dont like the game. I do not care about the chud take on this game at all (or anything else they say about anything). But I am hearing from a lot of gaming friends I trust that they didnt really enjoy it. I am surprised, because the combat system looks fun, the companions seem interesting, and a ME2 team building system in a high fantasy setting sounds awesome. This all sounds right up my street, and I am at a loss as to why people are saying it doesnt come together. I will find out for myself eventually when the price goes down a little! I am drowning in my backlog right now, so no rush. --- An opinion does not turn into a fact simply because the person holding it feels strongly about it. <cite>Westernwolf4 posted [p:983073483] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>I bounced off Dragon Age Inquisition very hard: no offense to anyone who liked it, but I thought it was one of the most completely boring games I have ever played. I have not played DA: V yet, but I plan to pick it up eventually. From what I have heard, I am just surprised folks dont like the game.I do not care about the chud take on this game at all (or anything else they say about anything). But I am hearing from a lot of gaming friends I trust that they didnt really enjoy it. I am surprised, because the combat system looks fun, the companions seem interesting, and a ME2 team building system in a high fantasy setting sounds awesome. This all sounds right up my street, and I am at a loss as to why people are saying it doesnt come together.I will find out for myself eventually when the price goes down a little! I am drowning in my backlog right now, so no rush.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 11/25/24 12:07:56 PM #37:	HighSeraph posted... Makes me fear what they'll do with ME4 tbh Funnily enough this game made me more positive about ME4. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:983073500] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>HighSeraph posted... </cite><quote>Makes me fear what they'll do with ME4 tbh</quote>Funnily enough this game made me more positive about ME4.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BloodyBenten 11/25/24 12:10:25 PM #38:	I feel the same way about any future ME games. Im a little more optimistic now. Andromeda didnt trigger a big reckoning in their staff and practices, but paired with this dumpster fire Im sure one is coming. <cite>BloodyBenten posted [p:983073522] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>I feel the same way about any future ME games. Im a little more optimistic now. Andromeda didnt trigger a big reckoning in their staff and practices, but paired with this dumpster fire Im sure one is coming.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BloodyBenten 11/25/24 12:13:48 PM #40:	[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Im sure theres a demo available. Try it and watch some gameplay footage and decide for yourself. <cite>BloodyBenten posted [p:983073557] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote><cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Im sure theres a demo available. Try it and watch some gameplay footage and decide for yourself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 11/25/24 12:13:53 PM #41:	BloodyBenten posted... I feel the same way about any future ME games. Im a little more optimistic now. Andromeda didnt trigger a big reckoning in their staff and practices, but paired with this dumpster fire Im sure one is coming. Don't lie to yourself, you'll be right there whining about focus groups and consultants when Mass Effect happens. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:983073559] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>BloodyBenten posted... </cite><quote>I feel the same way about any future ME games. Im a little more optimistic now. Andromeda didnt trigger a big reckoning in their staff and practices, but paired with this dumpster fire Im sure one is coming.</quote>Don't lie to yourself, you'll be right there whining about focus groups and consultants when Mass Effect happens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CARRRNE_ASADA 11/25/24 12:25:17 PM #42:	HighSeraph posted... Makes me fear what they'll do with ME4 tbh "Somehow Shepard came back" sounding very good right now Westernwolf4 posted... I do not care about the chud take on this game at all (or anything else they say about anything). But I am hearing from a lot of gaming friends I trust that they didnt really enjoy it. I am surprised, because the combat system looks fun, the companions seem interesting, and a ME2 team building system in a high fantasy setting sounds awesome. This all sounds right up my street, and I am at a loss as to why people are saying it doesnt come together. I will find out for myself eventually when the price goes down a little! I am drowning in my backlog right now, so no rush. I feel like one of your friends. I was legit hyped. Sure teaser trailer looked like fortnite, but that surely mustve been a marketing blunder. The trailers they showed later were reassuring. It really comes down to the "Sanitized/ sterile" feeling of the game that turns you off. --- SEXY SEXY! <cite>CARRRNE_ASADA posted [p:983073692] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>HighSeraph posted... </cite><quote>Makes me fear what they'll do with ME4 tbh</quote>"Somehow Shepard came back" sounding very good right nowWesternwolf4 posted... </cite><quote>I do not care about the chud take on this game at all (or anything else they say about anything). But I am hearing from a lot of gaming friends I trust that they didnt really enjoy it. I am surprised, because the combat system looks fun, the companions seem interesting, and a ME2 team building system in a high fantasy setting sounds awesome. This all sounds right up my street, and I am at a loss as to why people are saying it doesnt come together.I will find out for myself eventually when the price goes down a little! I am drowning in my backlog right now, so no rush.</quote>I feel like one of your friends. I was legit hyped. Sure teaser trailer looked like fortnite, but that surely mustve been a marketing blunder. The trailers they showed later were reassuring. It really comes down to the "Sanitized/ sterile" feeling of the game that turns you off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 11/25/24 12:26:52 PM #43:	BloodyBenten posted... I feel the same way about any future ME games. Im a little more optimistic now. Andromeda didnt trigger a big reckoning in their staff and practices, but paired with this dumpster fire Im sure one is coming. BioWare Montreal was shut down in response to andromeda. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:983073711] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>BloodyBenten posted... </cite><quote>I feel the same way about any future ME games. Im a little more optimistic now. Andromeda didnt trigger a big reckoning in their staff and practices, but paired with this dumpster fire Im sure one is coming.</quote>BioWare Montreal was shut down in response to andromeda.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Justin2Krelian 11/25/24 12:28:07 PM #44:	So is the consensus that this is worse than Starfield? --- -J2K Currently Streaming: Evil, The Penguin, From, Heels <cite>Justin2Krelian posted [p:983073721] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>So is the consensus that this is worse than Starfield?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BloodyBenten 11/25/24 12:32:44 PM #45:	Justin2Krelian posted... So is the consensus that this is worse than Starfield? They arent really comparable. Whichever type of game youre looking for you can find something much better to play though. <cite>BloodyBenten posted [p:983073766] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Justin2Krelian posted... </cite><quote>So is the consensus that this is worse than Starfield?</quote>They arent really comparable. Whichever type of game youre looking for you can find something much better to play though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HighSeraph 11/25/24 12:34:14 PM #46:	Justin2Krelian posted... So is the consensus that this is worse than Starfield? No. Starfield is terrible, this is more meh imo --- She/Her Crimsoness' Alt Dynamite with a laser beam <cite>HighSeraph posted [p:983073784] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Justin2Krelian posted... </cite><quote>So is the consensus that this is worse than Starfield?</quote>No. Starfield is terrible, this is more meh imo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ivynn 11/25/24 12:44:37 PM #47:	Justin2Krelian posted... So is the consensus that this is worse than Starfield? No, Starfield is worse. Starfield is bland and sterile, Veilguard is more just disappointing. --- http://i.imgur.com/vDci4hD.gif <cite>Ivynn posted [p:983073887] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>Justin2Krelian posted... </cite><quote>So is the consensus that this is worse than Starfield?</quote>No, Starfield is worse. Starfield is bland and sterile, Veilguard is more just disappointing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Westernwolf4 11/25/24 12:44:38 PM #48:	CARRRNE_ASADA posted... "Somehow Shepard came back" sounding very good right now I feel like one of your friends. I was legit hyped. Sure teaser trailer looked like fortnite, but that surely mustve been a marketing blunder. The trailers they showed later were reassuring. It really comes down to the "Sanitized/ sterile" feeling of the game that turns you off. I find this so interesting. After everything I have seen about this game, I just cant imagine not liking it. It seems to check all the boxes I am looking for. But I am hearing more and more that it has some quality that just doesnt work. Still going to try it though, eventually. I always have to touch the hot stove for myself. :) Last year, I wanted to play every new release and heavy hitter that came out. This year very few of the big games have ended up being for me, but I am having so much fun with Indies. There is so much good stuff to play! Almost too much! --- An opinion does not turn into a fact simply because the person holding it feels strongly about it. <cite>Westernwolf4 posted [p:983073889] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>CARRRNE_ASADA posted... </cite><quote>"Somehow Shepard came back" sounding very good right nowI feel like one of your friends. I was legit hyped. Sure teaser trailer looked like fortnite, but that surely mustve been a marketing blunder. The trailers they showed later were reassuring. It really comes down to the "Sanitized/ sterile" feeling of the game that turns you off.</quote>I find this so interesting. After everything I have seen about this game, I just cant imagine not liking it. It seems to check all the boxes I am looking for. But I am hearing more and more that it has some quality that just doesnt work.Still going to try it though, eventually. I always have to touch the hot stove for myself. :)Last year, I wanted to play every new release and heavy hitter that came out. This year very few of the big games have ended up being for me, but I am having so much fun with Indies. There is so much good stuff to play! Almost too much! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 11/25/24 12:52:27 PM #49:	DEI as a concept is good. The business of making an arbitrary DEI standards, and using carrot and stick methods to enforce these arbitrary standards on games, is trash. This is so difficult to discuss on the internet, because bringing this up sets everyone into a binary mode. Either you're woke or a chud, never could there possibly be any other explanation. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:983073969] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>DEI as a concept is good.The business of making an arbitrary DEI standards, and using carrot and stick methods to enforce these arbitrary standards on games, is trash. This is so difficult to discuss on the internet, because bringing this up sets everyone into a binary mode. Either you're woke or a chud, never could there possibly be any other explanation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dungeater 11/25/24 12:55:46 PM #50:	from what tc is saying it seems like diversity practices are not a flaw of this game --- My fate was the grandest, most brilliant of them all. He/Him <cite>Dungeater posted [p:983074009] in What compe... [t:80891232]...</cite> <quote>from what tc is saying it seems like diversity practices are not a flaw of this game </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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