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CyborgSage00x0 12/01/24 12:41:51 PM #1: |
It's dumber than it sounds. See, games are too "woke" these days, so he wants to sue his giant corporation to make games, because...giant corporations making games are bad. https://www.yahoo.com/tech/elon-musk-says-too-many-211556806.html?guccounter=1 X owner Elon Musk has taken a brief break from posting racism, transphobia, and conspiracy theory nonsense to say that gaming has become too "woke" because the industry is dominated by massive corporations, and so he is going to use his own massive corporation to start a new game studio powered by AI "to make games great again!" Musk's latest outburst came in response to Dogecoin co-creator Billy Markus, who said he doesn't understand how game developers and journalists have become "so ideologically captured," particularly given that gamersreal gamers, one must assume"have always rejected dumb manipulative BS, and can tell when someone is an outsider poser." "Too many game studios that are owned by massive corporations," said Musk, the owner of X, SpaceX, and Tesla, whose personal net worth is somewhere north of $322 billion. "xAI is going to start an AI game studio to make games great again!" Lest there be any doubt about his motivations, Musk wrote in another post, "Can't they just make good games and skip the woke lecture?" --- PotD's resident Film Expert. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VioletZer0 12/01/24 12:48:28 PM #2: |
I love that arrogance from him and Billy Markus to assume that his wacky views are the norm. Yet one look at all of the rough, the jank and the amatuer projects you find on itch away from big corporations seem to confirm that the "fake gamers" are the ones actually making games. Also Elon Musk is one of, if not THE richest man in the world. You don't fight the system you ARE the system. Also why is Billy Markus even a noteworthy person? His only contribution is meme coins which contribute nothing to society except people getting scammed. If you flipped burgers you'd contribute more. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 12/01/24 12:50:54 PM #3: |
I'm sure the usual suspects will eat this up regardless of whether or not the studio's output is even playable, as they are wont to do whenever they hear anything is "anti-woke" in any capacity, but the rest of us can just keep enjoying the large number of excellent games that keep coming out without having to check a guide beforehand to see if the "anti-woke" authorities say we're allowed to like it. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dikitain 12/01/24 1:39:05 PM #4: |
AI generated games? So "lootbox, microtransaction, gacha, sim" #98150750912760912760982370968730958170985170987150981235098123709851 K. --- I feel like I need to put something here, or else I am one of those weird people who think that having no signature is a character trait. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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slacker03150 12/01/24 2:40:53 PM #6: |
https://youtu.be/EoyFFxCtfXo?si=oi9O-EygzlByDFi_ Little boy thrown down a flight of stairs. He knows that life is hopelessly unfair. So he vows those bullies will remember his name. They'll all remember elon musk when he gets revenge. --- I am awesome and so are you. Lenny gone but not forgotten. - 12/10/2015 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyborgSage00x0 12/01/24 2:50:33 PM #7: |
coyot posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f9aa4b24.jpgI recalled how mad I was when I was in a dungeon in Tears of the Kingdom and it forced me to stop playing to listen to a lecture on the Trail of Tears. /s --- PotD's resident Film Expert. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 12/01/24 2:52:12 PM #8: |
Can't he just play his fucking games and skip the woke lecture? thanks elongo --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VioletZer0 12/01/24 2:57:07 PM #9: |
There is this "Alex Jones vs the NWO" game on steam he can just play that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Muscles 12/01/24 3:05:52 PM #10: |
Why does he want to use AI to make a game? AI should be limited to non creative/not desirable ventures --- Muscles Chicago Bears | Chicago Blackhawks | Chicago Bulls | Chicago Cubs | NIU Huskies ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 12/01/24 3:09:40 PM #11: |
VioletZer0 posted... There is this "Alex Jones vs the NWO" game on steam he can just play that.he's busy pretending he's the best Diablo IV player --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VioletZer0 12/01/24 3:22:47 PM #12: |
ReturnOfFa posted... he's busy pretending he's the best Diablo IV player I recall someone looked into it and it turns out that this has a grain of truth. Not the BEST Diablo IV player but he's in like the top 50 players. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyborgSage00x0 12/01/24 3:34:00 PM #13: |
VioletZer0 posted... I recall someone looked into it and it turns out that this has a grain of truth. Not the BEST Diablo IV player but he's in like the top 50 players.Apparently he now has the fastest clear time for the highest ranked Pit run. I'm betting he's either paying someone to play an account to do it for him. Or he really doesn't do shit to run his companies (ample evidence shows he actually doesn't) and spends his time no-lifing Diablo 4. Either way, it's moot, because all the top 200 Pit Runs use the Spiritborn class that just came out, which is *comically* overpowered. So it's the weakest of bragging rights. --- PotD's resident Film Expert. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shadowsword87 12/01/24 3:42:19 PM #14: |
The outrage cycle is just really, really focused on Musk these past few months, huh. I've now had him causing annoyance/real chaos for at least three different parts of my life. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VioletZer0 12/01/24 3:48:45 PM #15: |
shadowsword87 posted... The outrage cycle is just really, really focused on Musk these past few months, huh. The ire at Elon Musk deserves more than to be called an "outrage cycle." He is one of the richest and most powerful men in the world who is eating up our energy supply, he bought twitter to propagandize extreme right wing viewpoints and now he's being given a top government position. He didn't earn this, he purchased all of it. He's a nepobaby from a family that made their fortune off of slavery. This commentary from his daughter paints a clear picture of what he's really like. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/10e03ffc.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/037c9f05.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shadowsword87 12/01/24 3:57:59 PM #16: |
VioletZer0 posted... The ire at Elon Musk deserves more than to be called an "outrage cycle." He is one of the richest and most powerful men in the world who is eating up our energy supply, he bought twitter to propagandize extreme right wing viewpoints and now he's being given a top government position. No, but when there's multiple days of people being upset at the idea of Musk for floating the idea of buying Hasbro, and, by god, what happens to DnD and RPGs as a whole (and people ignoring most of other stuff)?! Then a few days later he floats the idea of making a game studio, but with blackjack and hookers, and oh my god, what happens to videogames as a whole?! It's been happening enough with enough frequency that it's certainly a cycle. Also. He's not been given a top government position. He's not a government employee. He's not given any authority of the budget. He's a contract worker for suggestions on the budget, at best. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VioletZer0 12/01/24 4:01:19 PM #17: |
I'm not terribly upset at the idea of Elon Musk buying Hasbro because hasbro is crap anyway. DnD was already a sink for bad players and the decent players already moved on to Pathfinder and other games. I'd be a LITTLE upset about losing Magic the Gathering but it's not THAT big of a loss. I can walk five feet and trip over ten better card games. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shadowsword87 12/01/24 4:03:13 PM #18: |
VioletZer0 posted... I'm not terribly upset at the idea of Elon Musk buying Hasbro because hasbro is crap anyway. DnD was already a sink for bad players and the decent players already moved on to Pathfinder and other games. You're ignoring my point. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VioletZer0 12/01/24 4:04:30 PM #19: |
I don't know what your point is. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shadowsword87 12/01/24 4:08:55 PM #20: |
It's a cycle because it's frequent. He posts a thing. Everyone gets upset at that thing. He posts another thing. Everyone gets upset at the other thing. He is included in a thing. Everyone is upset that he's included in a thing. Rinse and repeat. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VioletZer0 12/01/24 4:09:14 PM #21: |
So what? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shadowsword87 12/01/24 4:12:24 PM #22: |
It is annoying and will never end. The only solution is to let it go. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VioletZer0 12/01/24 4:13:00 PM #23: |
"Letting it go" won't remove Elon Musk from power. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shadowsword87 12/01/24 4:13:54 PM #24: |
No but it will break the outrage cycle. Rather than be upset at tweets, be upset at actual things that have actually happened. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ConfusedTorchic 12/01/24 4:30:50 PM #25: |
even the diehard elon bros don't want elon around hasbro, that's how badly he fucked up with that --- see my gundams here https://imgur.com/a/F7xKM5r updated 11/29/24; hg gundam helios ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VioletZer0 12/01/24 4:37:21 PM #26: |
shadowsword87 posted... No but it will break the outrage cycle. Rather than be upset at tweets, be upset at actual things that have actually happened. What you call the "outrage cycle" is a desirable outcome for me. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 12/01/24 4:44:59 PM #27: |
VioletZer0 posted... I recall someone looked into it and it turns out that this has a grain of truth. Not the BEST Diablo IV player but he's in like the top 50 players.Yes, he's definitely highly ranked. I just hate the lack of transparency. Oooo, I'm the best! Yeah, on a ranking system with 881 submissions. Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't hire someone to play for him lol. --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 12/01/24 4:46:23 PM #28: |
shadowsword87 posted... No but it will break the outrage cycle. Rather than be upset at tweets, be upset at actual things that have actually happened.I mean, a lot of the dumb shit that has actually happened on account of Elon were preceeded by tweets discussing what his intentions were/are. I don't think it's ludicrous to take umbrage with what the richest world in the man is saying, especially when he's in bed with the president of the USA. --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 12/01/24 4:49:31 PM #29: |
Muscles posted... Why does he want to use AI to make a game? AI should be limited to non creative/not desirable ventures Because he's a tech bro, and tech bros are convinced that any opportunity to replace actual people with robots is a good idea. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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willythemailboy 12/01/24 5:39:33 PM #30: |
adjl posted... I'm sure the usual suspects will eat this up regardless of whether or not the studio's output is even playable, as they are wont to do whenever they hear anything is "anti-woke" in any capacity, but the rest of us can just keep enjoying the large number of excellent games that keep coming out without having to check a guide beforehand to see if the "anti-woke" authorities say we're allowed to like it.It's funny that most people's reaction to the idea was to suggest he make a publishing company rather than a studio, to support indie and AA games that fit his criteria rather than make games himself. VioletZer0 posted... I recall someone looked into it and it turns out that this has a grain of truth. Not the BEST Diablo IV player but he's in like the top 50 players.He's been known to live stream while playing D4. You'd have to pay me to watch someone play that POS game but according to those that have watched it he's pretty legit. Muscles posted... Why does he want to use AI to make a game? AI should be limited to non creative/not desirable venturesProbably money. Sony wasted upwards of half a billion dollars on Concord and had less than a thousand concurrent players at launch. SW Outlaws cost several hundred million dollars and has just barely cleared a million sales. There have been quite a few AAA game releases lately with sales figures between those two in terms of the spectrum between laughable failure to merely coming well short of making back their budget, but those are the two I know numbers off the top of my head. IIRC someone calculated that SW Outlaws would have had to sell between 6 and 7 million copies to become profitable. For anyone looking at those numbers, there's only two real options. Either make a game that is guaranteed to sell 10 million copies - good luck with that - or find a way to make similar quality games for under 100 million dollars. Short of AI doing a lot of the work, it's hard to see any other way to make a modern AAA game on that budget. --- There are four lights. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 12/01/24 6:05:15 PM #31: |
willythemailboy posted... It's funny that most people's reaction to the idea was to suggest he make a publishing company rather than a studio, to support indie and AA games that fit his criteria rather than make games himself.I think he'd be smart to parse the difference between utilizing AI in some part of game development (which already is the case) and fully AI game studio. --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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willythemailboy 12/01/24 6:26:38 PM #32: |
ReturnOfFa posted... I think he'd be smart to parse the difference between utilizing AI in some part of game development (which already is the case) and fully AI game studio.I think even Musk is smart enough to know that he can't just prompt ChatGPT to "make GTA 7" and get something functional out the other end. There's a range of options between that and for example Blizzard using AI to fit armor bits to different character rigs. He seems to want to go to the higher end of that range. --- There are four lights. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 12/01/24 6:31:34 PM #33: |
willythemailboy posted... I think even Musk is smart enough to know that he can't just prompt ChatGPT to "make GTA 7" and get something functional out the other end. There's a range of options between that and for example Blizzard using AI to fit armor bits to different character rigs. He seems to want to go to the higher end of that range.Simply utilizing it doesn't guarantee quality though. That being said, it's been really cool hearing how different companies have used it. There still needs to be a lot of creativity and talent behind it though. I was really impressed with listening to how they accomplished a lot of the background details of Penny's Big Breakaway. https://youtu.be/zmzS9vz6h30 --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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OneEyedShinobi 12/01/24 6:43:47 PM #34: |
CyborgSage00x0 posted... is going to start an AI game studio to make games great again!"Using AI to make games ain't gonna go well. --- They/Them not "he". Ace/Non-Binary. Ace the Space Ninja from Luminous Avenger iX2. Ikki defender, #1 Mega Man 2 loather. Not a male in rl. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 12/01/24 8:27:34 PM #35: |
willythemailboy posted... For anyone looking at those numbers, there's only two real options. Either make a game that is guaranteed to sell 10 million copies - good luck with that - or find a way to make similar quality games for under 100 million dollars. Short of AI doing a lot of the work, it's hard to see any other way to make a modern AAA game on that budget. Plenty of studios do just fine working with more modest budgets and/or making games that are just straight up better than those. Concord's budget got bloated by how long it spent in development hell, and it was doomed from before it even launched by poor marketing and a failure to do anything to stand out in a crowded genre. Star Wars Outlaws managed to hit a double whammy of consumer apathy in that everyone's been inundated with both too much Star Wars and too much Ubisoft open-world. Skull & Bones also spent too long in development hell, mostly because they didn't actually have a solid idea for the game and just had to string along the grant they had from Singapore's government for as long as they could (then eventually released the half-baked product they had when the government's patience ran out). All of these high-profile failures have very obvious reasons for their failure, not simply that the whole idea of making expensive AAA games isn't commercially viable. There's also the super-secret third option of just not making AAA games if you don't have an idea that can reasonably be expected to sell well enough to justify a AAA budget. Not every game has to be a photorealistic cinematic extravaganza with a budget bigger than some countries' GDP, and in fact many of the best games of the last couple decades haven't been. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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willythemailboy 12/01/24 8:41:43 PM #36: |
adjl posted... There's also the super-secret third option of just not making AAA games if you don't have an idea that can reasonably be expected to sell well enough to justify a AAA budget. Not every game has to be a photorealistic cinematic extravaganza with a budget bigger than some countries' GDP, and in fact many of the best games of the last couple decades haven't been. willythemailboy posted... It's funny that most people's reaction to the idea was to suggest he make a publishing company rather than a studio, to support indie and AA games that fit his criteria rather than make games himself. --- There are four lights. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 12/01/24 9:32:21 PM #37: |
Indeed, though there's the tiny issue with that idea that there are already plenty of studios churning out indie and AA games that fit his criteria without his help, which kind of muddies the whole "the industry is overrun by whatever I've decided 'woke' means today and I'm the only one that can save it" narrative he's pushing and therefore isn't something he'd necessarily want to admit to by offering additional support. That route also wouldn't let him take as much credit as if he makes them "himself," and he does rather like being able to take credit for stuff. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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willythemailboy 12/01/24 10:24:07 PM #38: |
adjl posted... Indeed, though there's the tiny issue with that idea that there are already plenty of studios churning out indie and AA games that fit his criteria without his help, which kind of muddies the whole "the industry is overrun by whatever I've decided 'woke' means today and I'm the only one that can save it" narrative he's pushing and therefore isn't something he'd necessarily want to admit to by offering additional support. That route also wouldn't let him take as much credit as if he makes them "himself," and he does rather like being able to take credit for stuff.Maybe that's why he floated the whole buying Hasbro thing? He'd get control of several IPs that he could then license out or use in whatever studio he thinks he's going to make. He couldn't mismanage the D&D franchise any worse than Hasbro management is currently doing. Maybe several smaller projects by different studios rather than risking a AAA flop like Veilguard. Why are you expecting me to be able to read his mind to discover whatever 17d chess move he's planning, when he's most likely bloviating like usual and failing upward anyway? --- There are four lights. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shadowsword87 12/01/24 10:38:55 PM #39: |
willythemailboy posted... He couldn't mismanage the D&D franchise any worse than Hasbro management is currently doing. Oh. Yes he can. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ConfusedTorchic 12/02/24 12:22:11 AM #40: |
willythemailboy posted... He couldn't mismanage the D&D franchise any worse than Hasbro management is currently doing.hahahahahahahaha is this supposed to be a serious statement --- see my gundams here https://imgur.com/a/F7xKM5r updated 11/29/24; hg gundam helios ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 12/02/24 12:28:17 AM #41: |
willythemailboy posted... He couldn't mismanage the D&D franchise any worse than Hasbro management is currently doing.Have you heard of all the companies that he has purchased? --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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willythemailboy 12/02/24 1:03:21 AM #42: |
ReturnOfFa posted... Have you heard of all the companies that he has purchased?Yes, and few of them are managed as badly as the D&D franchise has been. I think the problem here is that you all think my opinion of Musk is too high when in reality you're not realizing how low my opinion of Hasbro is. An inanimate carbon rod could do a better job than Hasbro. --- There are four lights. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfFa 12/02/24 1:05:58 AM #43: |
willythemailboy posted... Yes, and few of them are managed as badly as the D&D franchise has been. I think the problem here is that you all think my opinion of Musk is too high when in reality you're not realizing how low my opinion of Hasbro is. An inanimate carbon rod could do a better job than Hasbro.That got a laugh from me, so cheers lol. --- girls like my fa ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shadowsword87 12/02/24 7:27:31 AM #44: |
willythemailboy posted... Yes, and few of them are managed as badly as the D&D franchise has been. I think the problem here is that you all think my opinion of Musk is too high when in reality you're not realizing how low my opinion of Hasbro is. An inanimate carbon rod could do a better job than Hasbro. Yeah I don't think you're aware of just how fucking garbage it could be. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ConfusedTorchic 12/02/24 1:43:59 PM #45: |
willythemailboy posted... Yes, and few of them are managed as badly as the D&D franchise has been. I think the problem here is that you all think my opinion of Musk is too high when in reality you're not realizing how low my opinion of Hasbro is. An inanimate carbon rod could do a better job than Hasbro. dnd is literally in the best place it has ever been these days, what the fuck are you talking about --- see my gundams here https://imgur.com/a/F7xKM5r updated 11/29/24; hg gundam helios ... Copied to Clipboard!
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adjl 12/02/24 11:27:49 PM #46: |
Most of what Hasbro (or, more specifically, WotC) has done wrong around D&D has been efforts to exert pretty typical corporate strangleholds over the IP, which really only stand out because of how much creative freedom D&D offers. I have very, very little faith that Musk wouldn't be worse in that regard, particularly when the purchase would be pretty much entirely an ego move either way (and therefore whatever decisions he made would be for the sake of stroking his ego). --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TigerTycoon 12/03/24 12:36:56 AM #47: |
Regardless of you opinion on Musk any kind of competition for the AAA publishers run by trend chasing execs pumping out multimillion dollar slop is good. If he wants to spend money just to prove he's different than they are at least he can't be bullied like Nintendo is doing to Palworld when a game is accidently successful and shows them up. Best case scenario is something good comes out of it and then the trend chasing execs copy that. Worse case scenario is it's just as terrible as everything before it so nothing changed. --- YOU COULDN'T AFFORD IT! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyborgSage00x0 12/03/24 3:31:33 AM #48: |
TigerTycoon posted... If he wants to spend money just to prove he's different than they are at least he can't be bullied like Nintendo is doing to Palworld when a game is accidently successful and shows them up.Woof, what a post. Again, Palworld literally copied assets and designs. This is not a frivolous lawsuit, and I'm not sure how a 1-month flash in the pan game is "showing up" the megalith that is Nintendo. The point you are missing is he *IS* the trend-chasing exec he's pretending to fight against. Dude is a tool. --- PotD's resident Film Expert. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ConfusedTorchic 12/03/24 5:40:53 AM #49: |
CyborgSage00x0 posted... Again, Palworld literally copied assets and designs no they didn't lmfao the entire reason the nintendo lawsuit is being ridiculed is because Nintendo claims pal world copied their patents for various game mechanics, but the patents themselves were granted after palworlds release, filed after palworld had already been announced, which makes them not apply lmao --- see my gundams here https://imgur.com/a/F7xKM5r updated 11/29/24; hg gundam helios ... Copied to Clipboard!
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VioletZer0 12/03/24 5:54:14 AM #50: |
Nintendo patenting game mechanics is complete crap. The major allegation was if they used generative AI in development which they did not. ConfusedTorchic posted... Nintendo claims pal world copied their patents for various game mechanics, but the patents themselves were granted after palworlds release, filed after palworld had already been announced I don't believe there is precedent for this. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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