Current Events > Remember when you beat Pokemon Gold and then got revisit ALL of Kanto?

(+) Yeah! (+)

That was so cool.

Only thing that came close is RDR2 including half of RDR1's map in the Epilogue for no reason. But that was pretty barren.

Imagine beating GTAV and then for no reason you get to explore all of Liberty City and there's a ton more stuff to do.

It was so neat at the time. Sure, it wasn't fully the same, but it was still cool.

I was getting Pokemon vibes while playing RDR2 and going to New Austin.

Yes. It was a childhood highlight.

I'm sure that, as an adult, there is plenty to get pissy about with Gen II, but back then it was nothing but wonder.

ai123 posted...

Yes. It was a childhood highlight.

I'm sure that, as an adult, there is plenty to get pissy about with Gen II, but back then it was nothing but wonder.

Yeah back than, Day + Night , Weather System, (not talking just pokemon but RPGs and Games in general. I mean there was a time where I thought it was amazing to watch the grass sway back and forth ( after playing so many rpgs in the 90s where trees and grass didnt sway in the wind ( or was 2d)

All these features these days can be considered ordinary. But back then , they were so cool!

There are some weirdos that are super butthurt about it. I've heard people actually say the game would have been better if it was cut. And not just if it was replaced with something else, if the game was exactly the same but without Kanto. Some people are so silly.

DarkChozoGhost posted...

There are some weirdos that are super butthurt about it. I've heard people actually say the game would have been better if it was cut. And not just if it was replaced with something else, if the game was exactly the same but without Kanto. Some people are so silly.

Ok, I can see being a little dissapointed about Kanto (although there's still plenty to do), but that's just...what?

Imagine if they had kept that up every sequel. Gen 3 would have Johto and Kanto. And so on. Each gen would be a bigger and bigger game world

Even at the time I didn't like it very much

It kind of blew my mind as a kid.

I thought it would just be one small section. But they did the whole thing.

The only thing that bugged me is wild Pokemon levels were so low, but the gym leaders were high-leveled. Like 40+. I think even random trainers had Mons at those levels, rather than being near the level of the route they were on, though I could be remembering that part wrong.

When the wild Pokemon are level 10 and trainer teams are 40+, you can't start a fresh Kanto team and actually stay competitive.

It really was pretty nuts going into it blind, talking to that NPC asking if you knew what you just did, and then opening the map while hearing this theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXu6RErLkE&list=PLtHuNRmYs3BWG-nx74eflw7xLD1ktPdvN&index=61

Zikten posted...

Imagine if they had kept that up every sequel. Gen 3 would have Johto and Kanto. And so on. Each gen would be a bigger and bigger game world

That wouldn't really be scalable. But it'd still be nice to get the occasional guest region. Especially now that DLC areas are a thing, it could be cool to get an old region as DLC instead of a couple of smaller new areas (though I did like Kitakami) and that would make it easier to justify doing from Gamefreak's perspective.

The biggest issue with Kanto in Gen 2 imo is the fact that it was treated as an open world, giving the player the freedom to visit any town in almost any order. As a result all the gym leaders (except Blue) have same-ish levels and are less of a challenge than the E4, making you just breeze through gym after gym.

I think if the path was more linear, the opponents' levels could grow along with the player and make it more of a challenge rather than a bonus tour.

Yeah sure it's unbalanced

it's ridiculously easy until a random difficulty spike in Blue and then a massive spike for Red

But I don't think they were going for q difficulty curve there, it was a victory lap

They almost had to cut Kanto because of storage space, but Iwata came in and worked his programming magic to make it fit.

They kinda need to do that again. Not Kanto again, I mean the player revisits a past game area in it's near entirety.

It's been awhile for me but isn't Black and White/Black and White 2 the next most popular one?

No. But that's mostly just because I remember places like the Safari Zone, places that were very explicitly cut from Kanto in G/S.

Gen 2 is the best gen to me, for most of the reasons stated.

The concept of adding new pokemon was still pretty fertile, too, so most of the then-recent additions were good to great, which only amplifies how fun it is. Bears, ferrets, pine cones, crocodiles, anglerfish, etc. The world was their cloyster (nyuk, nyuk). Kinda feels like current pokemon concepts are in a fallow period to me, but after making a thousand or more, maybe that's just to be expected.

Also, I'm playing through Black 1 right now and they didn't mix old and new critters for the main storyline, instead leaving all older stuff to the post-game -- a foolish choice. A ratio where 75% of the minions you encounter are new would probably be acceptable without playing too much on nostalgia.

But yeah, the big thing for me in Gen 2 was breeding. I always disliked wandering through the grass and finding a LV50 Whateverthehell and just using it as-is. That doesn't replicate the fun of leaving your fictional village with your young creature and training to get stronger! So, getting to hatch wimpy creatures and raise 'em up was great. That's still a mindset I have to this day and rather dislike games that timegate the daycare center's access (like BW2).

Shotgunnova posted...

Kinda feels like current pokemon concepts are in a fallow period to me

An anchor, some keys and an ice cream don't do it for you?

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

An anchor, some keys and an ice cream don't do it for you?

All those Pokmon are 8-12 years and 2-4 generations old now. So hardly 'current'.

Inanimate object Pokmon have always been a thing.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

An anchor, some keys and an ice cream don't do it for you?

I hate keys, gimme more magnets

Hornezz posted...

The biggest issue with Kanto in Gen 2 imo is the fact that it was treated as an open world, giving the player the freedom to visit any town in almost any order. As a result all the gym leaders (except Blue) have same-ish levels and are less of a challenge than the E4, making you just breeze through gym after gym.

I think if the path was more linear, the opponents' levels could grow along with the player and make it more of a challenge rather than a bonus tour.

I actually liked this more. Because from a in-game standpoint, you're the champion of Kanto too - you should be better than the gym leaders there too. If it was linear and the opponents levels continued to rise, it then sort of undermines the idea that you're the "champion" of the region, because why tf would the Elite 4 being going easy on you the first time? It keeps the main challenge as the "champions" of each region, or the people who you already know have been champion before (Blue, Red).

It means you get to go on a victory lap and sort of explore this old world as a bonus for playing through the game, rather than some secret second game after you "finish".

I remember doing it in heart gold and only thinking "please no more"

ai123 posted...

All those Pokmon are 8-12 years and 2-4 generations old now. So hardly 'current'.

Inanimate object Pokmon have always been a thing.

Oh wow you're literally defending them