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Necronmon
12/28/24 5:55:24 PM
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https://news3lv.com/news/nation-world/white-house-ai des-noticed-bidens-decline-during-first-months-of-term-wsj -reports-president-biden-cabinet-janet-yellen-lloyd-austin-kamala- harris-politics

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Concerns within the White House over President Joe Biden's physical and mental fitness began early in his term in the Oval Office, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday.
Biden, 82, faced accusations throughout this year of being unfit to continue serving in the White House. The scrutiny peaked following his performance in a June presidential debate with President-elect Donald Trump, during which Biden appeared forgetful and confused while speaking in rambling fragments.
Biden and members of his administration repeatedly rejected suggestions he could not continue running for reelection, despite some of the suggestions coming from other Democrats. However, the president in July ultimately abandoned his reelection bid and endorsed Vice President Kamala Harris, who later lost the presidential election.

The Wall Street Journal on Thursday interviewed nearly 50 individuals familiar with "operations" to conceal or help the president's mental and physical state. Advisers of Biden reportedly realized during the first few months of his term that the "bruising presidential schedule" would need to be adjusted for the president, citing his fatigue and making mistakes.
"The protective culture inside the White House was intensified because Biden started his presidency at the height of the Covid pandemic," the publication wrote. "But the shell constructed for the pandemic was never fully taken down, and his advanced age hardened it."
Once concerns arose early on, Biden advisers instructed top lawmakers and allies to keep exchanges with the president "short and focused," according to the Wall Street Journal. Staffers reportedly also ensured most of Biden's meetings were held later in the day due to the president not being "at his best" first thing in the morning, with the option to scrap meetings entirely if he was having an "off day."

The guidelines for interactions with Biden even impacted Cabinet members, according to the Wall Street Journal. Biden has reportedly held just nine full Cabinet meetings throughout his term, compared to former President Barack Obama holding 19 during his first term and Trump convening 25 during his.
At least one Cabinet member stopped asking for calls with Biden "because it was clear that such requests wouldnt be welcome," a source told the Wall Street Journal. Cabinet members with particularly infrequent access to Biden reportedly included Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin.
Donors also noticed how staffers worked to mask signs of Biden's "decline," the Wall Street Journal reported.
The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The National News Desk (TNND). White House Senior Deputy Press Secretary Andrew Bates denied to the Wall Street Journal claims that Biden "declined" and argued it is up to senior White House staff to hold regular high-level meetings.
Biden "earned the most accomplished record of any modern commander in chief and rebuilt the middle class because of his attention to policy details that impact millions of lives," Bates said.
Harris during her brief presidential campaign fielded accusations of covering up Biden's mental fitness. During an August interview with CNN, Harris told anchor Dana Bash she had no "regrets" about what she told Americans about the president's ability to serve.
"I have served with President Biden for almost four years now, and I'll tell you it's one of the greatest honors of my career. Truly," Harris said at the time. "He cares so deeply about the American people, he is so smart and loyal to the American people."

Its so infuriating that Biden and his family and team's pride may have doomed democracy not just in America but in the world forever, damn it all.
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12/28/24 5:56:18 PM
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Smashingpmkns
12/28/24 5:56:45 PM
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Every sane person noticed it when he was running in 2020

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TheOtherMike
12/28/24 6:01:49 PM
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And he still managed to be an objectively better president than any Republican in living memory.

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Zero_Destroyer
12/28/24 6:02:15 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Every sane person noticed it when he was running in 2020


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NatsuSama
12/28/24 6:03:10 PM
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TheOtherMike posted...
And he still managed to be an objectively better president than any Republican in living memory.


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Zero_Destroyer
12/28/24 6:05:59 PM
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TheOtherMike posted...
And he still managed to be an objectively better president than any Republican in living memory.

That's true but it means nothing because most of his achievements will be deleted within like 3 weeks since he botched the 2024 race so unfathomably bad. It's like saying RBG was a great SC justice. Sure, shame her refusal to retire doomed her entire legacy for a generation.

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loafy013
12/28/24 7:10:16 PM
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And your point? It's pretty obvious that mental decline wasn't an issue in 2024, seeing as how trump won.

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NatsuSama
12/28/24 7:39:26 PM
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
That's true but it means nothing because most of his achievements will be deleted within like 3 weeks since he botched the 2024 race so unfathomably bad. It's like saying RBG was a great SC justice. Sure, shame her refusal to retire doomed her entire legacy for a generation.
Using your same logic, there's no point in bothering to do anything good at all. Because maybe, just maybe in some far off non confirmed date it might get reverse. Like this is one of the major problems we have on our side. This purist logic that unless everything is perfect and pure..... it's just bad.

Theres plenty of blame to go around. But in specific to the purist and populist crowd on our side. The purist running around allergic to rallying around any progress/good because nothing is ever good enough definitely played their part in getting us botched 2016/2024 elections. The same crowd that seems to fall over themselves to be more hyper critical of Dems than Republicans, then wonders why a portion of voters thinks Trump isn't all that bad. It's insanity at its finest.

...we do actually need to market to uninformed voters who arent closely following politics. What do you know, when both the Democrats/left AND the Republicans/right bash the Democrats/left... somehow uninformed feel Dems are the same if not worse than Republicans. So they voted accordingly.

A portion of our side simply cannot grasp elections have consequences regardless if you like the binary choices.

Just like in 2016, Trump winning was able to get him 3 SC picks. Trumps 2024 win will also have a consequence.

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ultimate_reaver
12/28/24 7:39:54 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Every sane person noticed it when he was running in 2020


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RchHomieQuanChi
12/28/24 7:46:03 PM
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Feeling like we really need age limits for Presidents

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thronedfire2
12/28/24 7:52:45 PM
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and they waited until now to say something about it?

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LightHawKnight
12/28/24 7:52:59 PM
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TheOtherMike posted...
And he still managed to be an objectively better president than any Republican in living memory.


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ItsChristian
12/28/24 7:53:30 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Every sane person noticed it when he was running in 2020

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Trumpo
12/28/24 7:54:11 PM
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The usual suspects are posting

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Prismsblade
12/28/24 8:04:21 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Every sane person noticed it when he was running in 2020
Nah, the media and his supporters just did a great job of gaslighting people into believing otherwise. Not just on mainstream media but this very board even.

Only when it was officially admittedly did people suddenly 180 and suddenly it was obvious all along.

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Garioshi
12/28/24 8:06:54 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Nah, the media and his supporters just did a great job of gaslighting people into believing otherwise. Not just on mainstream media but this very board even.

Only when it was officially admittedly did people suddenly 180 and suddenly it was obvious all along.
There are still people denying it to this day.

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loafy013
12/28/24 8:09:25 PM
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Did any of these aides give their names, or are they all anonymous sources like the last time this story was printed?

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Zikten
12/28/24 8:41:18 PM
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He should have never tried to get reelected. Kamala or someone else might have had a better chance if they had a full campaign time limit to work with
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Charged151
12/28/24 8:43:22 PM
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Zikten posted...
He should have never tried to get reelected. Kamala or someone else might have had a better chance if they had a full campaign time limit to work with
He should have stuck to his word he would be a transitional President. Way to botch Biden...

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UnfairRepresent
12/28/24 8:45:41 PM
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"It's Biden's fault that 70 million Americans voted for the rapist screaming incoherently about cutting off childrens dicks in schools, black people eating dogs and illegal transgender experiments in prison"

Jesus Christ, a guy could break into your home, smash up all your stuff, break your kneecaps, set fire to your pets and you'd still find a way to blame Biden/Democrats for it before you blame the guy.

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ssjevot
12/28/24 8:46:32 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Nah, the media and his supporters just did a great job of gaslighting people into believing otherwise. Not just on mainstream media but this very board even.

Only when it was officially admittedly did people suddenly 180 and suddenly it was obvious all along.

There's a dude who still insists he had no cognitive decline at all and that the debate performance he put in was perfectly fine. Just had a topic earlier this week he posted in.

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lilORANG
12/28/24 8:47:23 PM
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Every old person declines. Biden being senile wasnt the determining factor in people voting for the other significantly more mentally damaged person. Politics has become a team sport. Love of country is no more.

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UnfairRepresent
12/28/24 8:50:41 PM
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lilORANG posted...
Every old person declines. Biden being senile wasnt the determining factor in people voting for the other significantly more mentally damaged person. Politics has become a team sport. Love of country is no more.
Yeah it kinda bugs me the way people talk about "Biden's mental decline" When Trump was considerably worse almost literally every time he made a public apperance.

And I get that there is whataboutism to that, but the way the media exaggerated Biden's decline while passionately, furiously, defending or flat out ignoring Trump being insane was pretty infuriating.

Biden's debate performance wasn't even as bad as Trump's performance with Harris, or his many apperances before and after it. It's just that you wouldn't know that unless you watched both of them in full because no mainstream media outlet told you.

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kingdrake2
12/28/24 8:55:12 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
When Trump was considerably worse almost literally every time he made a public apperance.


it's going to get much worse on all levels :(. especially public appearances and truth social.

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TheFuzz3451
12/28/24 8:55:58 PM
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Smashingpmkns posted...
Every sane person noticed it when he was running in 2020

The signs were there in 2019. Julian Castro pointed it out in a primary debate and was skewered (metaphorically) for it.

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ssjevot
12/28/24 8:58:16 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Yeah it kinda bugs me the way people talk about "Biden's mental decline" When Trump was considerably worse almost literally every time he made a public apperance.

And I get that there is whataboutism to that, but the way the media exaggerated Biden's decline while passionately, furiously, defending or flat out ignoring Trump being insane was pretty infuriating.

Biden's debate performance wasn't even as bad as Trump's performance with Harris, or his many apperances before and after it. It's just that you wouldn't know that unless you watched both of them in full because no mainstream media outlet told you.

I watched all those debates in full. Biden was worse. And yes I still would have voted for him. It doesn't matter if he told less lies, that's not how you evaluate a debate performance. It's entirely optics, and Biden looked and sounded way worse.

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TheFuzz3451
12/28/24 8:59:37 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Nah, the media and his supporters just did a great job of gaslighting people into believing otherwise. Not just on mainstream media but this very board even.

Only when it was officially admittedly did people suddenly 180 and suddenly it was obvious all along.

Honestly they did a pretty bad job convincing people otherwise.

Well before the June debate, polls showed most people thought Biden was too told to run again.

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Cheater87
12/28/24 9:00:31 PM
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Says the article is removed for me.

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refmon
12/28/24 9:04:41 PM
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NatsuSama posted...
Using your same logic, there's no point in bothering to do anything good at all. Because maybe, just maybe in some far off non confirmed date it might get reverse. Like this is one of the major problems we have on our side. This purist logic that unless everything is perfect and pure..... it's just bad.

This logic doesn't track when it was Biden himself that doomed us and not someone else

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HashtagSEP
12/28/24 9:06:39 PM
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Prismsblade posted...
Nah, the media and his supporters just did a great job of gaslighting people into believing otherwise. Not just on mainstream media but this very board even.

Only when it was officially admittedly did people suddenly 180 and suddenly it was obvious all along.

And yet you support Trump...

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Necronmon
12/28/24 9:11:47 PM
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Yeah it kinda bugs me the way people talk about "Biden's mental decline" When Trump was considerably worse almost literally every time he made a public apperance.

And I get that there is whataboutism to that, but the way the media exaggerated Biden's decline while passionately, furiously, defending or flat out ignoring Trump being insane was pretty infuriating.

Biden's debate performance wasn't even as bad as Trump's performance with Harris, or his many apperances before and after it. It's just that you wouldn't know that unless you watched both of them in full because no mainstream media outlet told you.

Biden may not have been worst then Trump but the whole point was that THIS was the best we could do? A person also on the verge of falling to pieces that seemed to be the choice mostly picked to not rock the boat so badly that it had its own negative effect? The democract party was so afraid of offending the right that it backfired on them.
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Necronmon
12/28/24 9:13:46 PM
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Here is a few others if the article is not working. https://www.wsj.com/opinion/bidens-legacy-will-be-his-mental-decline-coverup-capacity-white-house-staff-148b0757 https://www.wsj.com/politics/biden-white-house-age-function-diminished-3906a839
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HashtagSEP
12/28/24 9:14:29 PM
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Necronmon posted...
A person also on the verge of falling to pieces that seemed to be the choice mostly picked to not rock the boat so badly that it had its own negative effect? The democract party was so afraid of offending the right that it backfired on them.

Biden didn't cause people to vote for Trump. Don't be naive.

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Necronmon
12/28/24 9:21:05 PM
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I mean if Biden left a better impression then Trump would not have won. Yes, the masses are deluded fools who can't see reality in the face but the fact that Biden failed to make pepole think Trump coming back would be horrible , and that after everything Trump did Biden STILL seemed worst to so many is just god awful no matter what.
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Antifar
12/28/24 9:25:41 PM
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It is true that the media was laughable and lopsided against Biden, who in terms of domestic policy was largely good. But I believe a younger president without Biden's distinct attitudes about institutions and processes could have been more nimble in overcoming these obstacles.

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Smashingpmkns
12/28/24 9:35:46 PM
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I feel like some of you live in a completely different reality. Both CNN and MSNBC were clowning on Biden's age and mental acuity hard in 2020 right up until Nevada. Like it was the only point brought up about him if the news ever talked to them. Then Obama played his hand and all of that shifted.

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UnfairRepresent
12/28/24 9:36:45 PM
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Necronmon posted...
I mean if Biden left a better impression then Trump would not have won. Yes, the masses are deluded fools who can't see reality in the face but the fact that Biden failed to make pepole think Trump coming back would be horrible is...horrible.

UnfairRepresent posted...
"It's Biden's fault that 70 million Americans voted for the rapist screaming incoherently about cutting off childrens dicks in schools, black people eating dogs and illegal transgender experiments in prison"


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NatsuSama
12/28/24 9:44:22 PM
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refmon posted...
This logic doesn't track when it was Biden himself that doomed us and not someone else
The logic does track.

Elections have consequences regardless if you are madly in love with the binary options. A Democrat or a Republican was going to be the next president in both 2016 and 2024, and the left leaning 3rd party or non voters chose to up Trumps chances.

Staying home doesn't magically change Trump or Biden (later Kamala when he dropped out) was going to be the next president.

Also, I need to point out the exact part of my post you quoted was addressing the notion that RGB was a bad SC because of the purist mindset that since she didn't step down sooner. The purist logic that says..... "theres really no point to take a step in the right direction, because if in the future that progress gets reversed... the people who pushed for a step in the right direction will just get labelled bad anyway along with the Republicans who literally reversed the progress." All the while ignoring voters who also caused Trump to get those 3 SC picks (including the left leaning 3rd party voters and non voters.)

There's more emphasis in market on something "not being good enough, so its just bad", instead of marketing/rallying behind "this is a great step in the right direction, now lets try to shoot for more."

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AceMos
12/28/24 9:49:22 PM
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i notice they dont list examples of this decline

the media kept pushing it while he was running

like when the edited things to cut out the parachuter he was talking to

what im saying is i find it hard to believe this story when the fabricated evidence in the past

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MLBloomy
12/28/24 9:55:27 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Biden's debate performance wasn't even as bad as Trump's performance with Harris, or his many apperances before and after it. It's just that you wouldn't know that unless you watched both of them in full because no mainstream media outlet told you.
Hell, I'm decades younger than Biden and I probably had similar confused looks on my face trying to process some of Trump's Gish gallop BS during that debate. Not sure if in the moment I would've tried to counter something specific or just attack him the way Harris did about his rallies by calling him boring.
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MaxEffingBemis
12/28/24 9:57:52 PM
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TheOtherMike posted...
And he still managed to be an objectively better president than any Republican in living memory.
Chalking this up to having a competent chief of staff the first couple years. When he left and was replaced by a dipshit you really started to see the decline

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AldoMontoya
12/28/24 10:31:23 PM
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It was obvious the dude had dementia before all of you all put him in office.
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doshindude
12/28/24 10:46:22 PM
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Yep, the article tracks. It was clear that he was unfit when he ran in 2020, but once again we got the same feral ITS HIS TURN! centrist/republican-lite dems from 2016 force out the more capable candidates in favor of their guy despite them being the most unqualified candidate imaginable.

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Zero_Destroyer
12/28/24 10:48:34 PM
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NatsuSama posted...


A portion of our side simply cannot grasp elections have consequences regardless if you like the binary choices.


Yeah, it's crazy Biden ran a reelection campaign and had to have it clawed away from him after internal polls showed him losing New Jersey leaving Harris with the herculean task of running a perfect campaign in like 120 days. I guess he didn't think elections had consequences considering he thought it'd be a good idea to run another one after it was plainly clear to everyone his time was done and a successor was in order.

See, this is that whole "It meant nothing" bit I was talking about. The foremost people to blame are the ones who looked at the evidence for eight months and publicly rejected it in favor of re-running a guy they all knew wasn't fit to run again.

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NatsuSama
12/28/24 10:55:23 PM
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Zero_Destroyer posted...
Yeah, it's crazy Biden ran a reelection campaign and had to have it clawed away from him after internal polls showed him losing New Jersey leaving Harris with the herculean task of running a perfect campaign in like 120 days. I guess he didn't think elections had consequences considering he thought it'd be a good idea to run another one.
Whether he decided to run again or not has nothing to do with the fact that regardless if he did, it doesnt magically change.... if a left leaning individual decided to stay home or vote 3rd party.... it helped Trump in key states.

Regardless if you are madly in love with whoever ended up being the Democrat Primary winner..... either a Democrat or Trump was going to win. And just like in 2016, elections have consequences regardless if the Democrat primary winner isnt your ideal pure pick.

There is no "foremost" as there's plenty of blame to go around on Democrats losing. Including the left leaning non voters and 3rd party voters. Whether Biden mental state was declining or not doesn't magically change at the end of the day, the choice was him, or Trump. "But his mental decline" doesn't change that. "But her emails" didn't change that in 2016.

As for your "it meant nothing." Again, by your logic, there's no point to make progress on anything since someone in the future might reverse that progress. Because based on your line of reasoning, if someone unfortunately reverses progress like ending segregation, or a womans right to vote, or etc..... those achievements made by past individuals "meant nothing" and they are by your own logic, "bad."

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Zero_Destroyer
12/28/24 11:10:17 PM
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NatsuSama posted...
Whether he decided to run again or not has nothing to do with the fact that regardless if he did, it doesnt magically change.... if a left leaning individual decided to stay home or vote 3rd party.... it helped Trump in key states.

Regardless if you are madly in love with whoever ended up being the Democrat Primary winner..... either a Democrat or Trump was going to win. And just like in 2016, elections have consequences regardless if the Democrat primary winner isnt your ideal pure pick.

There is no "foremost" as there's plenty of blame to go around. Including the peft leaning non voters and 3rd party voters.

I'm aware there's a binary choice and I'm trying to explain to you that putting up a senile old guy on the Democrats' end is a baffling strategy. Their ability to attack Trump on similar ground was immediately capped, Biden was incapable of assuaging concerns about his age, and he had to maneuver a complicated economy with benefits & drawbacks where the drawbacks tended to be higher prices.

If he could've communicated this might've been fine but he was handled stage-to-stage by his inner circle. If this was all rapid onset it would've been unavoidable. But that's what I'm getting at: It was very avoidable considering criticisms on Biden's fitness for office existed among Democrats until he won the nomination and steered the debates competently.

But by 2023 the decision not to pull him was one made by his inner circle and it is the core reason Democrats lost. He was broadly unpopular, they ran him anyway, ignored evidence for months, and bitterly threw out Harris to mend things and now that she lost we're somehow still having a conversation implying "Actually the blame is deeply multifaceted and complex" like no, it really isn't, if you believe it is you might as well write off 2028. Maybe it would've been if Dems had a primary and lost anyways ala 1968 (which was a complex election) but we instead ran a far dumber version of that.

The public doesn't overall view things on such analytical terms or ideas and simple presentation matters. Biden failed comically at this. Running him was a bad idea, evidence from internal polls agreed. They ran him anyways, panicked in June, replaced him, staved off some senate losses that would've destroyed the party with Harris but lost anyways, and now are looking for an out. There was an obvious genesis of the issue here, much like there was when RBG decided not to retire before Republicans swept the senate thus nullifying her entire career through years of Senate paralysis.

The lesson is simple: A lot of these people did achieve meaningfully good things, RBG and Biden included, but they didn't know when to quit. So the whole thing falls apart. That's not a lesson on "don't try", it's a lesson on "know when to fold em."

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Irrelevant
12/28/24 11:12:18 PM
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Well I'm glad we didn't get an old demented president for the 2025 term and-oh wait!

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bfslick50
12/28/24 11:13:29 PM
#51:


doshindude posted...
Yep, the article tracks. It was clear that he was unfit when he ran in 2020, but once again we got the same feral ITS HIS TURN! centrist/republican-lite dems from 2016 force out the more capable candidates in favor of their guy despite them being the most unqualified candidate imaginable.

Nah, no one cared about "it's his turn." He won votes. Had a different centrist been leading going into Super Tuesday then the centrists would've rallied behind that candidate instead.

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