Current Events > White House aides noticed Biden's 'decline' during first months of term.

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bfslick50 posted...

They said Clinton was in mental decline in 2016. Biden was articulate in all 2019/2020 debates. Its always projection to keep the focus off their boy Trump

https://whereofonecanspeak.com/2023/03/02/youve-probably-never-heard-of-murcs-law-but-youve-seen-it-in-action-lots-of-times/

havean776 posted...

No voters failed Harris. Not the other way around.

An insane way to think about democracy. Even if you wanted to be beholden to elected officials in this way (and you really, really shouldn't be), relying on individual decisions to be able overcome institutional problems is bootstraps logic! It's not what Democrats believe!

I'm not including Harris in this specifically because the evidence suggests her campaign was mostly fine. But by the time she was the nominee too big a hole had been dug for her to climb out of. That was entirely preventable. Predictable, even! It's okay to be upset about that.

Intro2Logic posted...

An insane way to think about democracy. You deserve better than to do the octogenarian's campaigning when he is incapable of doing it himself.

I'm not including Harris in this specifically because the evidence suggests her campaign was mostly fine. But by the time she was the nominee too big a hole had been dug for her to climb out of. That was entirely preventable. Predictable, even! It's okay to be upset about that.

Nope voters are responsible for themselfs. If they think witholding votes will punish Harris than they are idiots. She's going to be fine, she's just gaana keep living her life. Many of us will not under Trump America. We will suffer because some people thought it more important to send a message to harris than it was to protect America.

Goldenguy posted...

maybe there should have been an earlier dropping out from the 2024 presidential race.

Biden should never have been in the 2024 race in the first place (as some of us were saying back in 2020, while still encouraging people to vote for him then).

Also, everything Intro2Logic said in post 100 is correct...

Intro2Logic posted...

There's a corrolary point to be made about how non-electoral methods of of stopping Trump, say through the justice system or an aggressive prosecution of J6 right after it happened, were taken off the table by feckless officials. Coups aren't supposed to be addressed at the ballot box!

... especially this. Trump should have been arrested on Biden's first day.

havean776 posted...

Nope voters are responsible for themselfs. If they think witholding votes will punish Harris than they are idiots. She's going to be fine, she's just gaana keep living her life. Many of us will not under Trump America. We will suffer because some people thought it more important to send a message to harris than it was to protect America.

It's definitely Harris and the media who get the majority of the blame, nobody is owed votes as much as we feel they are. While there is a minority of voters that didn't vote Harris to punish the Dems? It's likely it wasn't them who cost the election but rather the people who just weren't motivated to get off their assess to vote and disinterested voters is typically the fault of the messaging, be it the actual message and/or how well the message distributes.

Harris wasn't distancing herself nearly enough from Biden and trying to moderate her messaging was a big mistake as was parading around with Liz Cheney, trying to get disaffected Republicans is a losing strategy since it just lowers enthusiasm among your base.

Blame the Supreme Court for protecting Trump. Anything Biden would have done, they purposely interfere. And blame the House controlled by Republicans and the other half of the GOP Senate. All of them helped sabotage anything done to Trump.

Intro2Logic posted...

There's a corrolary point to be made about how non-electoral methods of of stopping Trump, say through the justice system or an aggressive prosecution of J6 right after it happened, were taken off the table by feckless officials. Coups aren't supposed to be addressed at the ballot box!

Thanatos_the_Great posted...

... especially this. Trump should have been arrested on Biden's first day.

The biggest failure of the Biden administration. Merrick Garland sat there and did nothing. He's either extremely incompetent, extremely cowardly, or a secret Republican agent. Biden saw him continue to do nothing and Biden kept him on as AG. It's a problem with establishment Democrats who control the party as a whole. They think that politics is the same as it was in the 20th century and is the like the show The West Wing.

That sort of attitude, which they've had for decades now, breeds mistrust and dislike towards the Democrats and makes people not have any faith in them. There are voters who deserve some blame, but the blame is mostly on the Democrats themselves. It's also their job to get people to vote for them and it's their job to help run America right.

Enclave posted...

It's definitely Harris and the media who get the majority of the blame, nobody is owed votes as much as we feel they are. While there is a minority of voters that didn't vote Harris to punish the Dems? It's likely it wasn't them who cost the election but rather the people who just weren't motivated to get off their assess to vote and disinterested voters is typically the fault of the messaging, be it the actual message and/or how well the message distributes.

Harris wasn't distancing herself nearly enough from Biden and trying to moderate her messaging was a big mistake as was parading around with Liz Cheney, trying to get disaffected Republicans is a losing strategy since it just lowers enthusiasm among your base.

This too.

Southernfatman posted...

It's a problem with establishment Democrats who control the party as a whole. They think that politics is the same as it was in the 20th century and is the like the show The West Wing.

Exactly. The British left-wing journalist Owen Jones put it well (talking about the right wing of the Labour Party, who are even worse than right-wing Democrats) when he said they think they're in The West Wing and don't realise they're actually doing a Benny Hill sketch. Politics wasn't like The West Wing even back in the 90s, and it certainly isn't now.

The West Wing is great television and you should watch it, BTW - as long as you watch it just for entertainment, not an education in political reality.

Well it was obvious for years you have videos of him wandering off after photos like he's lost. The debate just exposed his condition to everyone. That lost him the confidence of voters who were wondering who's running the country if he's been so docile all this time.

UltimateWing posted...

Blame the Supreme Court for protecting Trump. Anything Biden would have done, they purposely interfere. And blame the House controlled by Republicans and the other half of the GOP Senate. All of them helped sabotage anything done to Trump.

Yeah, people don't seem to get that you need democrats in office to be able to hold someone like Trump accountable, because Republicans sure as shit aren't doing it. But then it's a huge ask to get people to vote for them, so it feeds back into looking like Dems don't do anything.

Yeah, people don't seem to get that you need democrats in office to be able to hold someone like Trump accountable, because Republicans sure as s*** aren't doing it. But then it's a huge ask to get people to vote for them, so it feeds back into looking like Dems don't do anything

I don't know if the democrats have had a super majority like that in decades...and traitors like Manchin and others don't help either.

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do you think the first lady wears maga red to the polls when the bidens are obviously feeling burned by dems by accident?

ledbowman posted...

do you think the first lady wears maga red to the polls when the bidens are obviously feeling burned by dems by accident?

...yes?

Maybe she just likes the color red and wasn't thinking much beyond that.

That certainly seems less unhinged than the idea that she secretly supports MAGA in spite of it going against everything she has ever stood for AND being filled with people who despise her, then decided to vote for a misogynist rapist wear red as a secret sign to those MAGA types that she supports him and them.

I have a FB acquaintance who says that THIS should be considered treason (not, you know, all of Trump's treasonous stuff)

ledbowman posted...

do you think the first lady wears maga red to the polls when the bidens are obviously feeling burned by dems by accident?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7566a728.jpg

maybe she wore red because she wanted to look hot at the polls

ledbowman posted...

yeah whatever dude. the first lady wasn't thinking about what she was wearing to the polls. she voted for trump

Clinton wore red pants suits plenty of times. Trump wore a blue tie plenty of times.

ledbowman posted...

do you think the first lady wears maga red to the polls when the bidens are obviously feeling burned by dems by accident?

Brother have you been around RFK Jr lately by chance

Smashingpmkns posted...

Every sane person noticed it when he was running in 2020

Ya he reminded me of my late grandmother, it wasn't pleasant to watch.

ledbowman posted...

do you think the first lady wears maga red to the polls when the bidens are obviously feeling burned by dems by accident?

Huh????

ledbowman posted...

she chose literal trump colors to go vote in

https://youtu.be/sJNK4VKeoBM

ledbowman posted...

yeah whatever dude. the first lady wasn't thinking about what she was wearing to the polls. she voted for trump

ledbowman posted...

the proof is the bidens are pissed at the party and she chose literal trump colors to go vote in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCDfjcclStA

Intro2Logic posted...

A lot of liberals online seem to have worked themselves into the belief that Democrats addressing their flaws is at odds with defeating Republicans, when in fact on many issues a better slate of Democratic officials would be more capable of winning elections.

People ITT aren't criticizing Biden as a means of excusing Trump. They're angry because Biden and those surrounding him positioned him as the guy who could stop Trump and they failed at that task, miserably.

There's a corrolary point to be made about how non-electoral methods of of stopping Trump, say through the justice system or an aggressive prosecution of J6 right after it happened, were taken off the table by feckless officials. Coups aren't supposed to be addressed at the ballot box!

Thank you for concisely hammering it home.

Meanwhile the usual ilk is screeching But the voters! While foaming at the mouth and learning absolutely nothing.

ledbowman posted...

remeber when jill voted for trump

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/cf2899e3.jpg

I was hoping you were joking with this post. .....but then I read your followup post, and you are actually serious.....

Should take the tinfoil hat off...

Adam Conover made a good point in his recent video. We have no ways of feeling like an actual member of a group that are part of, and can influence the party, but rather a consumer.

Republicans have the media, megachurches, NRA (and I guess some gaming hobbyist groups), etc.

Other than the Black Church, there isn't much in our day to day lives to bring hobbyists into the fold.

ledbowman posted...

not i got modded for bringing reality into the bubble lol

What topic was that in?

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shame for what, understanding basic context clues and nonverbal communication

PraetorXyn posted...

Thank you for concisely hammering it home.

Meanwhile the usual ilk is screeching But the voters! While foaming at the mouth and learning absolutely nothing.

What do you mean "but the voters", you think voters aren't responsible for the outcomes of elections or something?

ledbowman posted...

shame for what, understanding basic context clues and nonverbal communication

Regarding what?

For the record, restate your point.

ledbowman posted...

shame for what, understanding basic context clues and nonverbal communication

You're the one making the leap that the first lady voted for Trump simply due to wearing a red dress at the polls.

Apparently the NKL wasnt enough for him.

That's a new level of braindead chud conspiracy theory.

So TCs basically acting like a concern trolling Trumper? Good to know, @UnfairRepresent.

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I'd call the behavior a red flag but then he'd accuse me of voting for Trump

Biden is a tragic figure in that he is a man out of time.

In his prime (arguably 1988-2008) he would have been a good president, but circumstances (largely) outside his control kept him from running and winning.

At what should have been his last shot to win (2016) his son passed away, his party largely lined up against him in favour of another candidate and he retreated from public life.

Then he feels called to come back for 2020, thinking it's finally his time. He's carried over the finish line for the nomination despite concerns about his age and competency. Then he just barely makes it through the general election on the message of restoring the soul of America.

He's largely good on domestic policy, but he's a man not adjusted to the new political and global environment. He is unable to sell his achievements to the American people, and is further and further declining physically and mentally.

Eventually the man he was elected to stop and banish once and for all came back just four years later strong and angry as ever.

it's like something a greek philosopher would come up with

action52 posted...

Honestly a president's "intelligence" or "leadership abilities" probably aren't what's most important anyways. Far more important is effectively delegating to competent people, and Biden did that.

Unfortunately what makes a good president and what makes an electable president are quite different. If it weren't for that, Trump would never have been elected in the first place.

It's a mix of "delegating to competent people" and "not being a piece of shit"

Like, for example...we all know that Ted Cruz is probably a competent person. He could effectively delegate to people who are competent at running *his personal agenda*. That's really why character matters. The ins and outs of government are too complicated for the President alone to handle, so you want a person who surrounds themselves with good people who have a vision and idea of how to make America into a better place. Problem is...the Republicans *do* have a vision, and they *do* have competent people. They're just assholes.

So TCs basically acting like a concern trolling Trumper? Good to know, @UnfairRepresent.

Anyone who pays attention would know I hate Trump more then anyone on this entire planet...but I come down hard on Biden and those who let this farce go on because Biden's entire purpose was to get us past Trump and he failed horribly because of his own delusions about himself.

The delusions of the Democrat party are directly why we are are risk of losing are country, all links to the problem have to be fixed if this nation is to survive.

Necronmon posted...

The delusions of the Democrat party are directly why we are are risk of losing are country

When Britain burned down the White House and all of Washington in 1814, do we blame the people in Washinton living there or trying to defend it, or do we blame the people who came to set the city on fire?

Just curious.

Apropos of nothing.

apocalyptic_4 posted...

Well it was obvious for years you have videos of him wandering off after photos like he's lost. The debate just exposed his condition to everyone. That lost him the confidence of voters who were wondering who's running the country if he's been so docile all this time.

yea like that time he was walking off to talk to a man who just parachuted in i but the news media cropped the video to make it look like he was confused

look i agree biden should have dropped out but lets stop acting like he was confused constantly and shit ok

you are just proving how you are fell for propaganda when you say this shit

When Britain burned down the White House and all of Washington in 1814, do we blame the people in Washinton living there or trying to defend it, or do we blame the people who came to set the city on fire?

Just curious.

Apropos of nothing.

I think its both the fault of those who did the direct deed and those who were careless, delusional, or greedy enough to fail to stop it when it could have been stopped....