Poll of the Day > Would you believe this as a fact?

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That short cake dayum

What's Marvel Super Heros? Isn't that only Marvel characters?

With how fragmented rights can get, especially in other media outside the characters origins, like movies and games, absolutely.

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

With how fragmented rights can get, especially in other media outside the characters origins, like movies and games, absolutely.

Absolutely this.

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

With how fragmented rights can get, especially in other media outside the characters origins, like movies and games, absolutely.

The thing is though, based on the characters they did use, there really isn't an obvious gap where they would have wanted specific characters they were unable to use. Especially when you consider there's about a dozen support characters they don't use as primary characters. But which would have left them with about 20 possible characters they could have used, which is more than enough for a fighting game. So MvC itself proves they could easily have made a pure Marvel game if they'd wanted to, regardless of whether or not there were rights issues with any given specific character.

Plus, since the first MvC game evolved out of previous X-Men Vs Street Fighter games, it kind of indicates that the crossover aspect was inherently part of the deal from the start.

It doesn't really make sense. MvC is fundamentally a Street Fighter style fighting game developed by Capcom. What would it even have been with zero Capcom involvement?

ParanoidObsessive posted...

The thing is though, based on the characters they did use, there really isn't an obvious gap where they would have wanted specific characters they were unable to use. Especially when you consider there's about a dozen support characters they don't use as primary characters. But which would have left them with about 20 possible characters they could have used, which is more than enough for a fighting game. So MvC itself proves they could easily have made a pure Marvel game if they'd wanted to, regardless of whether or not there were rights issues with any given specific character.

Plus, since the first MvC game evolved out of previous X-Men Vs Street Fighter games, it kind of indicates that the crossover aspect was inherently part of the deal from the start.

Yeah this.

everybody is in mvc. Who is missing? Sure theres more characters but the avengers are there, the X-men are there, Spider-Man is there

Fantastic Four?

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

Fantastic Four?

Hmmm yes, I didnt realize they were missing. Seems Johnny blaze would have been a perfect partner character

I never followed the series, so I really have no idea.

But this board being the way it is, and you making that statement in that way, I'd definitely not take it for its word.

KJ_StErOiDs posted...

I never followed the series, so I really have no idea.

But this board being the way it is, and you making that statement in that way, I'd definitely not take it for its word.

What do you mean by you people?

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

Fantastic Four?

The main problem with the Fantastic Four is, in spite of people back in the day always acting like they were the heart of the Marvel universe, no one has actually given a shit about the Fantastic Four since the 60s.

It's part of why their movies never seem to work. And why their comics tend to sell somewhat weakly compared to the X-Men and Avengers. And why in the 90s they pushed a gimmick run where they replaced them all with Wolverine, Spider-Man, Hulk, and Ghost Rider to boost sales.

If you were building a roster of Marvel characters based on popularity in the 90s/00s, you wouldn't be putting anyone from the Fantastic Four on it. So them missing doesn't really imply that there were rights issues.

Most of the time, if you're taking anyone from the Fantastic Four, it's probably going to be Doctor Doom. He's been more popular than the actual team for decades. Which is part of why they went to him out of desperation to try and salvage the future Avengers movies now that Kang is off the table.



MICHALECOLE posted...

I didnt realize the Fantastic Four were missing. Seems Johnny blaze would have been a perfect partner character

-_-

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Most of the time, if you're taking anyone from the Fantastic Four, it's probably going to be Doctor Doom.

Would Maker count?

That's the marvel game i was thinking of: x men children of the atom.
Am i missing something with this question being an obvious no to me? Almost half the votes are yes.

Why would i believe they didn't have enough marvel characters when there was an all marvel fighter?

ParanoidObsessive posted...

The main problem with the Fantastic Four is, in spite of people back in the day always acting like they were the heart of the Marvel universe, no one has actually given a shit about the Fantastic Four since the 60s.

It's part of why their movies never seem to work. And why their comics tend to sell somewhat weakly compared to the X-Men and Avengers. And why in the 90s they pushed a gimmick run where they replaced them all with Wolverine, Spider-Man, Hulk, and Ghost Rider to boost sales.

If you were building a roster of Marvel characters based on popularity in the 90s/00s, you wouldn't be putting anyone from the Fantastic Four on it. So them missing doesn't really imply that there were rights issues.

Most of the time, if you're taking anyone from the Fantastic Four, it's probably going to be Doctor Doom. He's been more popular than the actual team for decades. Which is part of why they went to him out of desperation to try and salvage the future Avengers movies now that Kang is off the table.

-_-

Oh is that not his name

>_>

Nichtcrawler-X posted...

Would Maker count?

Most people have no idea who that is, and would care even less if they did.

In spite of the MCU leaning heavily into a hybrid of mainline and Ultimate universe continuity and character designs/concepts, most people still tend to have no idea about or dislike most Ultimate Marvel concepts and versions of characters.

Miles Morales is about the only Ultimate character who kind of transcended the branding.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

most people still tend to have no idea about or dislike most Ultimate Marvel concepts and versions of characters.

I thought Maker moved into the 616 neighbourhood after Battleworld?

I would find it believable but not necessarily take it for fact without a source

MICHALECOLE posted...

Oh is that not his name

>_>

how can you forget an easy name like johnny test?

No because it's blatantly false to anyone who knows anything about Capcom. The first MvC was pretty much a cash grab re-using sprites from a bunch of Capcom fighting games. (And Capcom had already released Marvel-only fighting games.)

ParanoidObsessive posted...

now that Kang is off the table.

Yeah that was stupid. It's called recasting.

Who gives a fuck about kang

give me dr doom all day

rdj as dr doom.. idk well see what happens

I doubt it
At one point or another they had the X-Men, Avengers, Spider-Man, Punisher ect

Then MvC2 happened with 25 or so Marvel characters available, which was easily more than the roster for MvC1 and had no issue securing them

IIRC, the only issue they had with MvC1 was using Iron Man because the character was in another game (Iron Man x ManOWar) on the Playstation (edit - wow, it was on several consoles, including the Game Gear lol) that's why War Machine was added.

No.