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alot of games with NG+ are way easier on NG+ than the OG playthrough imo. what are some that the challenge remains similar?

It depends on the game.

If there's a loot chase/grind, then I don't mind it being harder. That's one of the things I loved about the Nioh games. And to a lesser extent WoW/Diablo and things like that.

If it's a straight up RPG with no major loot grind, then yes, I should be overpowering everything if I got all the cool stuff in the first playthrough. Metaphor was good like this.

Arguably Nier: Automata.

NG+ Batman Arkhams series takes away your Batty Sense, so countering is way harder.

DrizztLink posted...

Arguably Nier: Automata.

i gotta play that someday.

andrewl923 posted...

NG+ Batman Arkhams series takes away your Batty Sense, so countering is way harder.

i never played those on NG+, that's kinda what i'm looking for though. nice call.

Sekrio kinda with the bell mode on

Legend of Mana
Nightmare mode might be a lateral difficulty move depending on your level, but No Future mode everything has so much HP that you need to crack open a guide and figure out how extreme blacksmithing works.

Some games like CrossCode have a New Game+ mode where there's flags you can turn on to make the game harder like "Prepare to Hi!" Where everything kills you in one hit.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Some games like CrossCode have a New Game+ mode where there's flags you can turn on to make the game harder like "Prepare to Hi!" Where everything kills you in one hit.

never heard of that one. i'll check it out

Most harder platformers make things.... harder, on ng+.

ironman2009 posted...

never heard of that one. i'll check it out

It's one of the best RPGs of the last 10 years and one of the best crowd funded games ever.

andrewl923 posted...

NG+ Batman Arkhams series takes away your Batty Sense, so countering is way harder.

Does it? I know hard mode does, but I thought all NG+ changes is making the groups bigger or harder enemies. Like, if it's a group of two normies and a shield, the NG+ might have two normies, a brute and two shield guys.

Of course, I haven't played any of them on less than hard since like my first Asylum playthrough in '09, so it might be both.

ironman2009 posted...

never heard of that one. i'll check it out

It was the biggest game of the year as far as I knew, you're in for a treat

Eternal Sonata's encore mode

Tyranthraxus posted...

It's one of the best RPGs of the last 10 years and one of the best crowd funded games ever.

Evening_Dragon posted...

It was the biggest game of the year as far as I knew, you're in for a treat

awesome, it's on the wishlist now for the next sale.

BW2?

Caps.

ai123 posted...

BW2?

Caps.

what's that?

DrizztLink posted...

Arguably Nier: Automata.

I would suggest playing the first Nier prior, as certain events in the game build upon it. The NieR Replicant ver.1.22474487139 is probably the most accessible version at this time.

But it's also just an incredible game in its own right. Don't know about it getting more difficult with NG+ plus necessarily.

Unless you count trying to play it through all the tears.

Depending on your definition of new game +, there are various nes games with a second quest where the game loops with making it harder. Both Zelda games, Castlevania 1 and 3 are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

For a actual new game + of carrying over weapons and such, basically all the dark souls/bloodbourne/demon souls get harder with each new game +. Technically the original silent hill bumps you up to the next difficulty in new game +, although if you already were playing on hard it won't do anything. Devil May Cry has harder modes unlocked that you carry your equipment into.

Persona 5 Strikers. NG+, all the enemies are scaled up to level 85 or something from the start

Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth Hard and Legend Mode scale the enemies up to end game stats from normal and go up from there

Triangle Strategy, kind of.

NeonPhoenix posted...

Persona 5 Strikers. NG+, all the enemies are scaled up to level 85 or something from the start

Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth Hard and Legend Mode scale the enemies up to end game stats from normal and go up from there

Reason I made this topic is cause I'm on infinite wealth ng+ rn and am absolutely crushing. Literally can auto battle every fight.

ironman2009 posted...

what's that?

Sorry, Pokmon Black 2 and White 2.

ai123 posted...

Sorry, Pokmon Black 2 and White 2.

i didn't know pokemon games had NG+, interesting

ironman2009 posted...

i didn't know pokemon games had NG+, interesting

Black 2 and White 2 are still the only ones to date.

And I dunno if this would count, but Hollow Knight has Steel Soul mode when you finish the game, which is permadeath. You don't keep anything you unlocked from the first playthrough, but is definitely much harder.

Dark Souls 2 adds additional enemies to the map and throws additional challenges in with some of the bosses.

Surprised nobody said The Messenger. If you die in New Game +, you pay Time Shards. If you don't have enough, game over. Permanently.

SaGa Frontier because the enemies level with you

Are we counting games with NG+ that unlocks a harder difficulty that is optional?

Amakusa posted...

Are we counting games with NG+ that unlocks a harder difficulty that is optional?

Fair point, that's basically the entire Devil May Cry series (from what I understand).

LordFarquad1312 posted...

Triangle Strategy, kind of.

The first battle in NG+ kicked my ass so hard I stopped playing. I want to say that I was told that the difficulty is basically inverted for NG+, where the beginning's the hardest part by far.

Couple megaten games have a difficulty you can't access until new game plus. The latest 5V gives you a mode that straight up bumps all enemies to level 150

Witcher 3 in my experience. Your endgame gear in your first playthrough becomes useless pretty quickly and enemy levels scale based on your level.

Technically...All of FromSoft's games and a few other Souls-like games, like Nioh and Code Vein (hoping for a sequel still). Enemies placed in spots that they weren't before, damage scaled up, and I think some enemies do things that they don't do in the base game

ai123 posted...

Sorry, Pokmon Black 2 and White 2.

Actually, BW2 did make a new difficulty, specifically challenge mode for B2, but all it did was increase the levels of certain guaranteed encounters (gym leaders, team plasma bosses, elite 4, champion), by 2-5 levels and giving them 25 IVS in all stats. This only translates to a few points added in each stat and no additional points for the extra levels. If playing by nuzlocke rules, you will usually gain more from level increase than your opponent.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

Does it? I know hard mode does, but I thought all NG+ changes is making the groups bigger or harder enemies. Like, if it's a group of two normies and a shield, the NG+ might have two normies, a brute and two shield guys.

Of course, I haven't played any of them on less than hard since like my first Asylum playthrough in '09, so it might be both.

All the Arkham games that has NG+ takes away the Batty sense icons.

Most Tales games have significantly more challenging difficulties available in NG+, but they usually also have an optional EXP multiplier. x10 is not enough for some games like Abyss's Unknown difficulty and you can find yourself grinding for literal hours to do more than 1 damage per hit to a boss.

Definitely the Dark Souls/Bloodborne/Elden Ring games, since all enemies are stronger and deal more damage.

However Dark Souls 2 stands out among them all because it actually puts in more special/stronger enemies that werent there before in the first playthrough. And other unique encounters like adding more obstacles to boss fights and encountering a boss earlier than usual in the level (the giant spider).

I really wish they revisited that mechanic in any other FromSoft game but Dark Souls 2 is the only one thats done it so far.

Legend of Zelda (NES)