Current Events > Jon Stewart & Gov. Chris Christie on Trump's Messy Start & What's Ahead.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQwJuayXJ18

While Jon does not go after Christie as much as one might like, and they both agree Biden not being a one term president screwed everyone over, he does not give him a pass, and mostly has him there for a look at how Trump has such a cult like hold on so many these days.

i aint watchin that

Stewart has irritated me lately with his takes so he can go kick rocks.

TheSuperSilver posted...

Stewart has irritated me lately with his takes so he can go kick rocks.

What's been wrong with his takes

fuck him for platforming Christie but he hasn't been that off on anything lately

Oh, good, Chris Christie is talking.

The gigantic piece of shit who never actually stopped being shit, he just stayed the same while the party got worse.

Dude's basically Ted Cruz with a little bit of stage presence and a thin veneer of plausible deniability.

Jon Stewart can take his ass back into retirement. Once Trump got back into office, now he's acting all concerned.

Chris Christie, we don't ever need to hear his opinion on anything.

Pitbuller_26 posted...

Jon Stewart can take his ass back into retirement. Once Trump got back into office, now he's acting all concerned.

Chris Christie, we don't ever need to hear his opinion on anything.

Jon's been fine lately though?

Kain_Highwind posted...

Jon's been fine lately though?

He haven't simp harder for the left from the sound of the cries.

TheSuperSilver posted...

Stewart has irritated me lately with his takes so he can go kick rocks.

one week he's like 'democrats should play dirty!! use da same things da GOP would do''

da following week he was all ''WHY DID BIDEN PARDON PEOPLE??? OMFGEHH WHAT A DOUCHE" da whole episode lol

he's really slowly turning into a conservative imo

Board went from full fist pump over Stewart to hating him?

Board went from full fist pump over Stewart to hating him?

The fact that so many democrats have such a high bar is part of how Trump won, Jon is not suddenly best buds with Christie he's trying to learn info on the other side to figure out how to get out of the abyss.

Stewart went from being pretty cool and reasonable during the Bush W. and Obama years to a try-hard to appease progressives during the later Obama years to being someone I wish would drop his sorry miserable ass off the face of the planet. As his viewers have become more intolerable, so has he.

alt right jon stewart

LoZguy709 posted...

Stewart went from being pretty cool and reasonable during the Bush W. and Obama years to a try-hard to appease progressives during the later Obama years to being someone I wish would drop his sorry miserable ass off the face of the planet. As his viewers have become more intolerable, so has he.

All because he criticized liberals in the most softball way, people 180 turned on him lol

Kain_Highwind posted...

All because he criticized liberals in the most softball way, people 180 turned on him lol

His messaging was fatal to our current democratic institutions and protections during a time when he could have re-ignited the base. Instead he went the piss poor easy route and catered to the "lolz fuck the dnc" morons.

Some people clearly want unthinking cheerleaders for whatever the current democratic line happens to be and not anyone an inch to the left or right of that. If we're throwing Jon Stewart overboard, I don't see how we're getting out of this.

legendary_zell posted...

Some people clearly want unthinking cheerleaders for whatever the current democratic line happens to be and not anyone an inch to the left or right of that. If we're throwing Jon Stewart overboard, I don't see how we're getting out of this.

He doesn't have to be a cheerleader and can still criticize Democratic leadership. But he was a total bitch in the way he went about devoting entire segments to Biden's age.

LoZguy709 posted...

He doesn't have to be a cheerleader and can still criticize Democratic leadership. But he was a total bitch in the way he went about devoting entire segments to Biden's age.

You've been going after anyone that even slightly criticized Democratic leadership tho

Devilanse333 posted...

Board went from full fist pump over Stewart to hating him?

he was was getting just as much "URGH UR ONLY HELPING THE REPUBLICANS" as anyone else who criticized biden being a jello-brained mummy or kamala's shitty campaign was

Regardless, I like jon stewart but i have no interest in listening to him talk to a guy who is only against trump because he wasn't allowed to get in on the grift.

Kain_Highwind posted...

You've been going after anyone that even slightly criticized Democratic leadership tho

During an election season? Yeah, it makes pretty fucking good sense not to engage in self-sabotage by constantly highlighting your party's weak points.

LoZguy709 posted...

He doesn't have to be a cheerleader and can still criticize Democratic leadership. But he was a total bitch in the way he went about devoting entire segments to Biden's age.

I can't believe this still needs to be said after Trump won, but Stewart did not cause people to have problems with Biden's age. Most people did. Most Democrats did. Most Democrats did not want him to run again. Biden appearing cooked was one of the most widely agreed on points in politics by 2024. Stewart was simply acknowledging what the public overwhelmingly felt. Trying to do what Dems did until right before the switch and pretend it wasn't happening would have discredited him and made him appear to be a shill. It didn't work for anyone who tried to do it. And it did untold damage to the party's credibility that it'll take a long time to fix. Him going another route would not have had any positive effect, the cake was already baked on that issue.

Devilanse333 posted...

Board went from full fist pump over Stewart to hating him?

It's because he's not 100% hating Trump. I gotta get his point in that if you cry wolf too many times, people will stop believing in you. Some people on the left were calling everyone a Nazi at one point so people got desensitized to it.

I think it's kinda too late to lecture people about that though. We need to get Trump out of here.

legendary_zell posted...

I can't believe this still needs to be said after Trump won, but Stewart did not cause people to have problems with Biden's age. Most people did. Most Democrats did. Most Democrats did not want him to run again. Biden appearing cooked was one of the most widely agreed on points in politics by 2024. Stewart was simply acknowledging what the public overwhelmingly felt. Trying to do what Dems did until right before the switch and pretend it wasn't happening would have discredited him and made him appear to be a shill. It didn't work for anyone who tried to do it. And it did untold damage to the party's credibility that it'll take a long time to fix. Him going another route would not have had any positive effect, the cake was already baked on that issue.

Typical Americans were not the ones throwing huge fits over Biden's age. Following the debate, the problematic reactions from shitty excuses for Democrats brought particular attention to that characteristic. The ignorant American public wasn't giving such a crap until dumbfucks like Stewart started putting that shit under a microscope without delay.

LoZguy709 posted...

Typical Americans were not the ones throwing huge fits over Biden's age. Following the debate, the problematic reactions from shitty excuses for Democrats brought particular attention to that characteristic. The ignorant American public wasn't giving such a crap until dumbfucks like Stewart started putting that shit under a microscope without delay.

This is just straight up false. The polls at the time disprove this sentiment. There was widespread agreement that Biden was cooked with huge bipartisan majorities. Even among Democrats. Even among people who voted for him in 2020. Literally anyway you slice it. Typical Americans were the exact ones thinking that way, it was only certain media figures and party/White House officials sticking their heads in the sand and expecting it all to go away somehow.

He didn't say this, but this is the vibe he's giving off lately.

Jon Stewart: "Hitler got elected legally. What's the big deal? Overreact much?"

LoZguy709 posted...

The ignorant American public wasn't giving such a crap until dumbfucks like Stewart started putting that shit under a microscope without delay.

Okay now that's pure bs lol

CNN and Fox News were already talking about Biden's age long before Jon Stewart talked about it. And in those very same segments, he also criticized Trump's age and went even harder at his general idiocy

Fuck Jon Stewart

He didn't say this, but this is the vibe he's giving off lately.

Jon Stewart: "Hitler got elected legally. What's the big deal? Overreact much?"

In this very video he says clearly that Trump is fascist...but says how do we stop this if he was democratically elected anyway and that no one that can stop him will do so because of them being greedy sell outs?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-americans-on-biden-age/story?id=107126589

This is the first result you get when you search "how many thought Biden was too old"

It's from well before the debate, before there were any serious calls for him to drop out, before the verbal slipups accelerated. 86. Percent. 79. Percent. Of. Democrats. That's a rare level of agreement in American politics.

legendary_zell posted...

This is just straight up false. The polls at the time disprove this sentiment. There was widespread agreement that Biden was cooked with huge bipartisan majorities. Even among Democrats. Even among people who voted for him in 2020. Literally anyway you slice it. Typical Americans were the exact ones thinking that way, it was only certain media figures and party/White House officials sticking their heads in the sand and expecting it all to go away somehow.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Okay now that's pure bs lol

CNN and Fox News were already talking about Biden's age long before Jon Stewart talked about it. And in those very same segments, he also criticized Trump's age and went even harder at his general idiocy

Biden suffered in the polls from the debate performance itself, but not to a point that would have been unsalvageable, had "told-you-so" progressives not needed their obnoxious voices heard so prominently. The American public is fickle and forgetful, but spiteful progressives are not unfortunately. The negative reactions from progressives and media shitheads looking to profit off a frenzy didn't start with Stewart, but he helped keep that echo going until Biden had no course for recovery. It's not a hindsight is 20/20 situation, but I do believe that he could have carried through had progressives not had to keep engaging in trashing on him with the likes of Chris Christie.

LoZguy709 posted...

Biden suffered in the polls, but not to a point that would have been unsalvageable, had "told-you-so" progressives not needed their obnoxious voices heard so prominently. The American public is fickle and forgetful, but spiteful progressives are not unfortunately. The negative reactions from progressives and media shitheads looking to profit off a frenzy didn't start with Stewart, but he helped keep that echo going until Biden had no course for recovery. It's not a hindsight is 20/20 situation, but I do believe that he could have carried through had progressives not had to keep engaging in trashing on him with the likes of Chris Christie.

His own pollsters had him in single digit chances

There was no salvaging

Biden suffered in the polls, but not to a point that would have been unsalvageable, had "told-you-so" progressives not needed their obnoxious voices heard so prominently. The American public is fickle and forgetful, but spiteful progressives are not unfortunately. The negative reactions from progressives and media s***heads looking to profit off a frenzy didn't start with Stewart, but he helped keep that echo going until Biden had no course for recovery. It's not a hindsight is 20/20 situation, but I do believe that he could have carried through had progressives not had to keep engaging in trashing on him with the likes of Chris Christie.

Biden's own staff showed if he stayed in the race the lost would have been worst then the lost Harris suffered and you REALLY think Biden was going to win?

Had no idea so many on CE hate Jon Stewart now. I constantly see people only link to him on The Daily Show and ignore all the guest hosts they have on the other days of the week.

I think he could have won if progressive as a whole didn't suck. And progressives sucked in all kinds of ways in 2024, but that's way too much to get into.

LoZguy709 posted...

I think he could have won if progressive as a whole didn't suck. And progressives sucked in all kinds of ways in 2024, but that's way too much to get into.

so you now more than his internal polling team and the reason he would've lost is progressives and not the fact taht he's ancient?

LoZguy709 posted...

Biden suffered in the polls from the debate performance itself, but not to a point that would have been unsalvageable, had "told-you-so" progressives not needed their obnoxious voices heard so prominently. The American public is fickle and forgetful, but spiteful progressives are not unfortunately. The negative reactions from progressives and media shitheads looking to profit off a frenzy didn't start with Stewart, but he helped keep that echo going until Biden had no course for recovery. It's not a hindsight is 20/20 situation, but I do believe that he could have carried through had progressives not had to keep engaging in trashing on him with the likes of Chris Christie.

This is just a non-functional political analysis. This is not how politics or reality works. The article I posted with 86 percent of people thinking he was too old already was from February 2024. February. Which means that opinion was already baked in a year before the election and everything we've heard about their internal polling, plus the results of the actual election confirm that. You have no support for ascribing a widespread preexisting opinion to progressive media post-debate. We don't have that kind of pull at all, wish we did.

Not far into 2024, the non-committed movement was already underway and the twitter crowd was scaring off normies with the ongoing culture war stuff. So when I'm talking about how progressives dropped the ball in 2024, this is just one facet.

Let's not forget that Trump is seeking a third term in which he'd be older than Biden, but I don't see any fixation on his age from the media (granted, I've been checking out of mainstream sources since the election).

LoZguy709 posted...

Not far into 2024, the non-committed movement was already underway and the twitter crowd was scaring off normies with the ongoing culture war stuff. So when I'm talking about how progressives dropped the ball in 2024, this is just one facet.

Let's not forget that Trump is seeking a third term in which he'd be older than Biden, but I don't see any fixation on his age from the media (granted, I've been checking out of mainstream sources since the election).

You're just sticking your fingers in your ears at this point

Jon Stewart was the most respected name in news for more than a decade. He never wanted it, and tried to deny it. "I'm just a dumb comedian hur dur." Nevertheless it was true. An entire generation of voters grew up watching that show, and they believed in him.

His return put more eyes on The Daily Show than it had in many years. Millions tuned in to see what he'd say. 10s of Millions more watched the clips online. So what did he do with that power? Make a "same thing both sides" argument that equated Trump and Biden (though he dumped on Biden more). His message was no matter who wins, we all lose.

We will never know how many people saw that segment and decided to protest vote, or not to vote at all, but i guarantee it's not 0. I lost all respect for him that day, and I have no interest in what he's saying now.

Kain_Highwind posted...

You're just sticking your fingers in your ears at this point

I was responding to what pollsters were telling Biden halfway into 2024, by which much of the damage had already been done by ill-thought progressive movements. But you're right that this discussion has gotten way too tangential.

Akuryu posted...

Jon Stewart was the most respected name in news for more than a decade. He never wanted it, and tried to deny it. "I'm just a dumb comedian hur dur." Nevertheless it was true. An entire generation of voters grew up watching that show, and they believed in him.

His return put more eyes on The Daily Show than it had in many years. Millions tuned in to see what he'd say. 10s of Millions more watched the clips online. So what did he do with that power? Make a "same thing both sides" argument that equated Trump and Biden (though he dumped on Biden more). His message was no matter who wins, we all lose.

We will never know how many people saw that segment and decided to protest vote, or not to vote at all, but i guarantee it's not 0. I lost all respect for him that day, and I have no interest in what he's saying now.

he said that running a guy that, as we found out, had polling in the single digits was a bad idea

nothing outrageous about that

LoZguy709 posted...

Biden suffered in the polls from the debate performance itself, but not to a point that would have been unsalvageable, had "told-you-so" progressives not needed their obnoxious voices heard so prominently. The American public is fickle and forgetful, but spiteful progressives are not unfortunately.

I want to be very clear about the history of this: the progressives were significantly more likely to back Biden during those three weeks in limbo than the moderates who were planning a reality show primary. AOC and Sanders stood by Biden while the NYT was posting a running tally of elected calling for him to step aside.

You have invented a version of events that just isn't true.

Kain_Highwind posted...

he said that running a guy that, as we found out, had polling in the single digits was a bad idea

nothing outrageous about that

The next day, Republicans were sharing the clips and praising his return. They knew who he damaged. It wasn't Trump. I hope when they inevitably pass laws to silence TV personalities who don't tow the line, The Daily Show is the first to go. Fuck him.

LoZguy709 posted...

His messaging was fatal to our current democratic institutions

Our democratic institutions were set up to be poisonous to itself. You can't shift a centuries long problem onto one person saying "boo" to the cooked goose of the democratic party.

That doesn't mean I think Stewart's word is gospel. (I think his interview with Coates and that one former Bush era diplomat were grating to get through and very frustrating, for two examples off the top of my head.) But the things that he criticized the Democrats for were things people were trying to raise the issue on well before the election. To say that he was responsible for the explosion as hundreds of Congressmen and women watched as a 50 mile long fuse slowly burned away and did nothing to stop it is hard to take seriously tbh.

The next day, Republicans were sharing the clips and praising his return. They knew who he damaged. It wasn't Trump. I hope when they inevitably pass laws to silence TV personalities who don't tow the line, The Daily Show is the first to go. f*** him

This seems a tad...extreme.

Was the Democratic strategy for Biden really dependent on media personalities they don't pay just staying silent about what they saw for another four months?

Cheetaluv posted...

He haven't simp harder for the left from the sound of the cries.

Hush, chud.

Only opinions from people who don't support nazi symbolism are welcome here.

Biden was a dead candidate walking sure blame Stewart for the dems and Biden failures.