Current Events > People Who Refused to Vote Democrat Have No Right to Complain to Them

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I legit don't understand what you get out of doing this all day every day.

Nobody remembers the Weimar politicians who "lost" to the Nazis. All that anyone remembers is how the German populace rolled over for Hitler and joined in with everything he did.

At this point it's not a given that there will even be a Democratic party in 4 years. But there is going to be a lot of pain because a lot of supposed leftists stayed home or told others to stay home. Whining about "Democrats" isn't going to make the pain go away or get you off the hook. If you're complicit then that's what you wanted, congrats, you won. If you want to fight Trump and return to normalcy you're going to have to work with others. Crying about Democrats isn't going to do it.

for people saying this place is like a family, you sure dont treat your family very nice. Ive seen some of you continuously dogpile and harass TC.
Now we may not always agree with the things they post. I do think some of you need to chill with the attitude towards TC though.
Especially when some of you are not so innocent yourself.

I believe if that were true Kamala wouldnt have gotten more votes than Obama, or Hillary, or any Democratic candidate pre 2020. Bidens numbers were a fluke because Covid allowed practically everyone to do mail in voting. There was no mass wave of typically Democratic voters sitting out. We were simply outnumbered by the sheer amount of MAGA minded people who were energized to bring back the good ol days.

I legit don't understand what you get out of doing this all day every day.

TC makes boogeymen of all the wrong groups.

This from the person who keeps on making boogeymen out of liberals? The projection is strong coming from you.

Kamala and those who sat out were inconsequential, and that Trump won because there were just too many hateful people energized into voting Trump.

This is just plain mathematically false.

Every person who goes around promoting others to stay home, go 3rd party, literally stays home or goes 3rd party helped Trump. That is not inconsequential especially in swing states.

All you are doing is per usual trying to displace accountability away from those people.

This is just plain mathematically false.

Every person who goes around promoting others to stay home, go 3rd party, literally stays home or goes 3rd party helped Trump. That is not an inconsequential number especially in swing states and how close those states were.

Every person who did the above, aided Trump, and amplified Trumps probability of winning.

All you are doing is per usual trying to displace accountability away from those people.

No. Thats not what Im doing.

No. Thats not what Im doing. What Im saying is they were not a large enough number to make a difference.

Which is not a true statement.

Actively staying home, going 3rd party..... or spending months convincing others to stay home or go 3rd party mathematically affects the election skewing in Trumps favor.

You are doing exactly what I said you are doing. Attempting to remove most or all accountability that these people have in contributing to Trumps victory.

You're already doing just that by deflecting blame against them and putting it elsewhere. Do you really think we're going to forget the staggering number of people who threatened to withhold their votes during the months leading up to the election?

Indeed. We have no beef with leftists who actually voted blue, only those who chose to abstain or vote third party. What part of that do some people here not get?

@Humble_Novice what is your endgoal here? You've had multiple back and forths. And whats with your ire being aimed mostly at non white people? Is that on purpose?

Non-white people? What does that have to do with this topic?

Thats not realy much of an answer. You've made lots of muslim aimed topics for example. Whats the point of that?

You mean the Muslims who voted for Trump and sabotaged the Democrats? Why shouldn't I make topics about them here? If you want, I can make other topics talking about different groups that enabled Trump and the Republicans. For instance, the Cuban and Venezuelan communities.

You mean the Muslims who voted for Trump and sabotaged the Democrats? Why shouldn't I make topics about them here? If you want, I can make other topics talking about different groups that enabled Trump and the Republicans. For instance, the Cuban and Venezuelan communities.

Because thats what the numbers in states Trump flipped suggest. If you have a counter argument to that fine, but youre more interested in cherry picking snippets from my posts instead of responding in good faith to my argument.

Then start with a good faith argument.

The states Trump flipped do not suggest the people who decided to stay home, or vote 3rd party, or promote displeasure at specifically Democrats to convince enough to 'stay home/3rd party/Go Trump' was an inconsequential in number.

Mathematically speaking every person the GOP and purist on our own side could convince to not vote for Kamala, helped Trump. To the ones specifically on our side as they claim, no amount of excuses about Democrats flaws dodges the accountability that voter had in making the choice to aid a Republicans (who's far far far worse) victory.

The messaging efforts stow displeasure at Democrats wasnt just on the politicians. The uncommitted, 3rd party and those that flirted with it (media, social media, etc), made strong efforts to muddy the waters. Their efforts were successful in convincing enough voters that either 'don't vote/go 3rd party/vote Trump because Dems worse.'

This was not a small campaign that's 'only on CE' either.

These people collectively promoted a choice that regardless if they like hearing it, was not inconsequential in its effort to elect Donald Trump.

How is it not a good faith argument?

How is it not a good faith argument?

I too would like to see some actual data supporting the idea that lefties and uncommitted voters did as much damage as people here like to claim.

They're the ones who claimed Harris would lose if she didn't appease them 110%. Are you saying they were bad faith liars? So either they were full of shit from the get-go and wanted trump to win, or else don't want any responsibility for what is happening now.

They're the ones who claimed Harris would lose if she didn't appease them 110%. Are you saying they were bad faith liars? So either they were full of shit from the get-go and wanted trump to win, or else don't want any responsibility for what is happening now.

1. These voters numbered too small to actually make a difference. If so, they simply aren't to blame for Dems losing
2. They were numerous enough to cause the Dems to lose. Maybe, just maybe the Dems should have tried to compromise with them.

All I ever said was I dont believe they amounted to a number that could have flipped those states. I could be wrong but it would have to include a great number of people who didnt even vote Biden in 2020. But you two just want to keep on misrepresenting everything I say. Laundry list of excuses? I made one point (that you refuse to counter) so at worst I made one excuse. I never implied those who sat out arent as bad as you say I just said I believe they were the few. I believe most did their duty and voted for Kamala and those who didnt continue to be a very vocal minority. And they shouldnt complain because they got what they pushed for.

Im not part of the f***ing uncommitted movement

Just block the 4 unwell dudes that hang around here and use this stuff for personal pleasure when they couldn't care less and you're fine. I got called an alt righter with a made up history my first time I posted any criticisms, and that stopped when those few people got blocked or got better.

I didn't misrepresent anything. I'm repeating your words that tries to pretend the number was inconsequential. We have swing states that we're very close, and their actions go beyond whether they actually voted or not.

No amount of spinning from you to avoid accountability changes that movement helped Trump (even if you ever so claim to have voted for Kamala). If someone spent time muddying the waters, intentional or not, it affects just enough voters to 'stay home/go 3rd party/vote Trump.' No matter how you spin this, it helped Trump.

You have a laundry list of excuses and reasons to dodge the above is not some inconsequential number, and we were presented with a binary choice. Down to even playing dumb at this point that continuously messaging on displeasure to one specific party contributed to enough people staying home, going 3rd party, or voting Trump. Claiming to vote for Kamala doesn't wash away deliberate efforts grading Democrats on a scale that tries to make them the same or almost the same, or reasons defending not voting. All during the general election at that.

They are not a "vocal minority" as social media and media in general alone was all about coverage that mostly graded Democrats on a curve. No matter where you looked, Republicans were given a pass for absurd shit they did while Democrats were graded on a harsh scale that attempts to 'both sides' the two.

As I said earlier is absolutely is a double standard, but the people who understand that aren't the ones you needed to convince.

People got called Trump supporters in disguise for suggesting that Biden shouldn't run for a second term.

Including Stephen King who, despite a decades long history of opposing Republicans, was a 'mask off billionaire right winger' for saying it.

If they weren't a vocal minority, the Democrats could have tried harder to appeal to them rather than spurn them at every opportunity. Maybe even Kamala could have said something aside from being a continuation of Biden. As I said earlier is absolutely is a double standard, but the people who understand that aren't the ones you needed to convince.

The fact that Cory898 (or any other, for that matter) has to bother explaining that they voted for Harris

The fact that anyone has to bother explaining, "I voted for Kamala" is not a defense to the overall point says more.

Voting for Kamala doesn't mean one didn't still aid Republicans by encouraging, defending or contributing to a cause that whether one wants to acknowledge it or not, helped Trump.

So ya, if you find the discussion exhausting, it will continue to be just that. For similar egos that want to defend those who intentionally or unintentionally aid Republicans running defense for behavior in general elections that help Republicans.

The fact that one has to be compelled to a knee-jerk reaction here says even more.

By all means then, then don't be surprised of the "same thing both sides" will just end up growing as result. Resentment is a really powerful tool in politics, and keep throwing "its your fault" to those who lost hope will certainly be a good building block for it.

It's a knee jerk reaction for the same knee jerk defense being used in the first place.

Saying you voted for Kamala means absolutely nothing if you are actively assisting Republicans with false narratives and purist logic.

I have said this in past topics, I'm not interested in coddling these people another 4 years.

If these people didn't grasp their own egos andor ignorance resulted in Trump getting Roe v Wade overturned or even the stuff happening as we speak with Project 2025, they are a loss cause.

I'm not here to coddle them or lie their choices to unintentionally or intentionally muddy the waters directly helps Donald Trump get elected.

So when you say "by all means" the same applies to the people crying about the Dems to do something, yet on general election time..... spends months campaigning on false narratives that "both sides the same" or "all or nothing" logic. Such collectively helps just enough to elect MAGA.

Don't cry for sympathy Trump is doing xyz if you actively assist in his victory.

I'm pretty damn sure that going into the ballet to vote means much more to the election than wasting bytes on Twitter or Reddit.

DNC doesn't have the luxury of playing the "they will come back eventually" after getting crushed in the polls like that.

I don't think the losing side has the option to pick and choose its own electorate.