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012yArthur0 posted...

I doubt that a random post with 100 likes means anything, at most it is a sample of opinion than some kind of catalyst.

You can doubt whatever you want. That's not how social media or even how humans in general work.

Misinformation and disinformation has shown to easily spread through social media. Fillings people's heads with ignorance, doubling down on things they already believed (even if false), spreading conspiracies, telling partial truths, and so much more. The age of the internet allows this kind of stuff to spread quite easily.

Also, something having 100 likes doesn't remotely suggest only 100 agreed with whatever vile, or ignorant thing that was posted. You are aware the spread of misinformation and disinformation is not contingent only amount of likes right? Not even close. To be clear, any amount of likes whatsoever doesn't indicate the exact number of people agree with something or who that video/message was shared to.

asdf8562 posted...

I disagree on it being fine at all. Those random people online who are echoing collectively has also an affect who wins an election.

Intentional or unintentional, malicious or genuine. Random posters on the internet do have a level of influence collectively and even individually on others.

So if a social media outlet has x number of people ignorantly posting something that's uninformed, a false narrative.... but it resonates with others that already have a predisposed ignorant opinion about something... that can easily spread like wildfire.

Republican, Russian and Chinese propaganda seem to have understood this hence the push for bots and trolls spreading right wing rhetoric. No matter how outlandish, it's like a rumor or plague.

So it isn't fine for random people on the internet to indulge in excessive scapegoating (which is what I clearly referred to) rather than focusing on a winning strategy for the future? Fascinating. Maybe we will see an end to the hand wringing over 'leftists', Muslims, and other minorities?

Maybe consider the role of the army of strategists, consultants, analysts, media advisors, and policy makers who spent hundreds of millions of campaign funds in a losing effort?

Taking the stance that they were let down by the people, rather than vice versa, won't yield the desired results.

Humble_Novice posted...

People like this are partially why we're in this mess.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c15237fa.png

But at least she can feel morally clean while she ignores she helped Trump win! Literally causing even more suffering to the people she claimed to care about. Far more than anything that would of happened under Kamala.

Really shows she was more invested in appearing like she cared.

asdf8562 posted...

You can doubt whatever you want. That's not how social media or even how humans in general work.

And I guess the losing side on copium-mode does know better then. The same side that also astroturfed where they could, but I guess spreading information/misinformation only works for the other side.

But even then, if they know better about that, they wouldn't have lost right?

Misinformation and disinformation has shown to easily spread through social media. Fillings people's heads with ignorance, doubling down on things they already believed (even if false), spreading conspiracies, telling partial truths, and so much more. The age of the internet allows this kind of stuff to spread quite easily.
Also, something having 100 likes doesn't remotely suggest only 100 agreed with whatever vile, or ignorant thing that was posted. You are aware the spread of misinformation and disinformation is not contingent only amount of likes right? Not even close. To be clear, any amount of likes whatsoever doesn't indicate the exact number of people agree with something or who that video/message was shared to.

It is the closest we can have about it. Or do you think some random person saying "X is bad" and has 100 likes or views is comparable to "X is good" that has 10M likes or views?

Sure, bots are a thing but it is the closest thing we have to get information on the spread. That is why it makes far more sense to see these comments as opinions of the masses and not some proselytizing attempt to make change the masses.

asdf8562 posted...

But at least she can feel morally clean while she ignores she helped Trump win! Literally causing even more suffering to the people she claimed to care about. Far more than anything that would of happened under Kamala.

Really shows she was more invested in appearing like she cared.

More energy going into finger wagging Vicky ACAB and her 261 likes than condemning Trump and Trump voters.

guys it's clear that is a troll alt don't waste your energy on them it's pointless to debate someone who doesn't post in good faith and wants to twist everything you say into how you are a trump voter i figure it's one of those chuds alts who loves sowing discord

ai123 posted...

Taking the stance that they were let down by the people, rather than vice versa, won't yield the desired results.

Taking the stance to coddle them that they were actually let down isn't a winning strategy either.

We have literally learned by now that coddling these people is not working. They are very quick to fall for misinformation and disinformation that they were let down in the first place, or that no one is trying to help them.

We want to talk about yielding a desired result? Coddling people love to shoot themselves in the foot due to misinformation/disinformation, and constantly telling them its always someone else's fault they ignorantly got someone worse elected has clearly yielded terrible results.

ai123 posted...

More energy going into finger wagging Vicky ACAB and her 261 likes than condemning Trump and Trump voters.

Finger pointintg is a winning stratergy. Look at the Republicans, what policy did they run on? None. What was their plan? Nothing.
There entire stratergy was to find someone to hate and say they are the reason your life sucks.

So no I say point the finger it clearly works better than trying to get fickle protest voters off their ass to vote to save the country. Instead make them the enemy, unite everyone against them.

012yArthur0 posted...

It is the closest we can have about it.

No... it's not at all lol.

The amount of likes does not even come close to indicating how many saw/read/watched a message and worse agreed with it.

The only thing a like button does is give a dopamine rush to those who ignorantly take stock in the like button.

The spread of misinformation or disinformation doesn't care about how many took the time to hit that like button.

ai123 posted...

More energy going into finger wagging Vicky ACAB and her 261 likes than condemning Trump and Trump voters.

A few posts pointing out people like Vicky's dumbass helped get Trump elected isn't me spending more energy on her than Trump.

My posts about voting against Trump no matter what, and that staying home helps Trump... far outnumbers my few posts about Vicky. This is yet again wanting no accountability for those that did indeed help get Trump elected.

Coddling people like her every election cycle is not yielding results to stop MAGA or Trump. In fact, it's yielding worse results given the goalpost always moves with people like her on why she thought it was 4D chess to stay home or go 3rd party. Which no matter how spin it, helped Trump.

Also...

havean776 posted...

Finger pointintg is a winning stratergy. Look at the Republicans, what policy did they run on? None. What was their plan? Nothing.
There entire stratergy was to find someone to hate and say they are the reason your life sucks.

So no I say point the finger it clearly works better than trying to get fickle protest voters off their ass to vote to save the country. Instead make them the enemy, unite everyone against them.

This. More specifically the part about not coddling unreliable people who love to help get Republicans elected during the general election, then demand everyone coddle a choice they made to literally help Trump. Intentional or not.

Humble_Novice posted...

People like this are partially why we're in this mess.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c15237fa.png

Ah yes, the famous... wait who is that?

If we're talking influence. shouldn't have all the celebrity endorsements counteracted randos who have less reach than your average Redditor?

reincarnator07 posted...

Ah yes, the famous... wait who is that?

If we're talking influence. shouldn't have all the celebrity endorsements counteracted randos who have less reach than your average Redditor?

Nah, the twitter randoms has far more power than millionaire celebrities that DNC wasted millions into.

Like I said, this "misinformation spreading" logic only seems to work for the reps for some reason. Pure wizardry, I say.

012yArthur0 posted...

Nah, the twitter randoms has far more power than millionaire celebrities that DNC wasted millions into.

Like I said, this "misinformation spreading" logic only seems to work for the reps for some reason. Pure wizardry, I say.

It works for anyone spreading it.

This idea that a random on the internet can't contribute in a large or broad way to collectively spread misinformation and disinformation is using your words "pure wizardry."

Being a representative or celebrity is factually not the only way vile rhetoric, bigotry, misinformation, disinformation, conspiracy, etc spreads. Especially in the day and age of social media.

Why aren't Democrat strategists and media consultants harnessing this wonderful methodology?

ai123 posted...

Why aren't Democrat strategists and media consultants harnessing this wonderful methodology?

Good question. I agree they absolutely should be. Republicans have been doing it for years and they always control the narrative. Even when Democrats do good, Republicans successfully control the narrative that it's bad or "not good enough so it's bad."

I absolutely agree it's something our side, our politicians, celebrities, influencers and voters should be doing.

asdf8562 posted...

It works for anyone spreading it.

This idea that a random on the internet can't contribute in a large or broad way to collectively spread misinformation and disinformation is using your words "pure wizardry."

Being a representative or celebrity is factually not the only way vile rhetoric, bigotry, misinformation, disinformation, conspiracy, etc spreads. Especially in the day and age of social media.

You missed the point. The fact is that you comparing the efforts of some random twitter posts to entire celebrities that is known worldwide.

asdf8562 posted...

Good question. I agree they absolutely should be. Republicans have been doing it for years and they always control the narrative. Even when Democrats do good, Republicans successfully control the narrative that it's bad or "not good enough so it's bad."

I absolutely agree it's something our side, our politicians, celebrities, influencers and voters should be doing.

Democrats frothed at the mouth that people paid more attention to Joe Rogan than all wealth transfer that was hiring this many celebrities that didn't do jack.

And keep in mind that the invitation was open, Kamala just refused and tried to make their own with disastrous results.

DNC doesn't control the narrative simply because they don't want to or simply tone-deaf incompetence.

012yArthur0 posted...

DNC doesn't control the narrative simply because they don't want to or simply tone-deaf incompetence.

It's because whenever they try to control the narrative, they get harshly countered by the media, right-wingers, and even leftists for different reasons.

Humble_Novice posted...

It's because whenever they try to control the narrative, they get harshly countered by the media, right-wingers, and even leftists for different reasons.

So?

There's a tremendous amount of hate and scorn directed at Trump and the Republicans online. And well deserved it is too.

But somehow, they manage to cut through and the Democrats can't. Do the Democrat media strategists need to figure out how to use media more effectively, or will tut-tutting at 'leftists' fix the problem?

ai123 posted...

So?

There's a tremendous amount of hate and scorn directed at Trump and the Republicans online. And well deserved it is too.

But somehow, they manage to cut through and the Democrats can't. Do the Democrat media strategists need to figure out how to use media more effectively, or will tut-tutting at 'leftists' fix the problem?

It gets worse when they themselves believes they were winning. DNC definetely needed a reality-check.

It isn't like people suddenly started liking Trump, but mostly at how people started to despise DNC and stopped holding back about it.

ai123 posted...

So?

There's a tremendous amount of hate and scorn directed at Trump and the Republicans online. And well deserved it is too.

But somehow, they manage to cut through and the Democrats can't. Do the Democrat media strategists need to figure out how to use media more effectively, or will tut-tutting at 'leftists' fix the problem?

Both the voters and the politicians need to find a way to use it effectively.

This deluded idea that voters have no accountability for who gets into office or public perception of who's in office is just asinine. Our participation on messaging as a collective along with actually getting off our asses to vote as a collective affects the election as well.

Politicians don't exist in a vacuum. So no, this idea that its mostly or all on Dems to magically fix everything without enough people voting for them or spreading false narratives about them is a disconnect from reality.

We agree that politicians hold a responsible to come up with better messaging. The problem where you and I disagree is this idea that the voters, you know the people that vote for said politicians, are totally powerless collectively in their pushed messaging of their own side.

Republican messaging works in targeting because it's easy for them to discourage our side from voting or even going 3rd party. They can flood social media with troll bots or false narratives, and many on our side will happily regurgitate it. Both their voters and the politicians don't make it some badge of honor to have a large portion of them attacking MAGA or Trump. They also don't make it a badge of honor to concede on their issues, hence, controlling the narrative.

Our side (both the voters and politician) on the other hand relish in attacking Democrats. Constantly letting Republicans control the narrative with either false narratives or nothing burgers in comparison to Trump.

For example, "Biden old", fucking Trump 3 years younger. Yet even those on our side took great focus on this. Or "Democrats abandoned the working class." This is just false given the past 20 years.

asdf8562 posted...

Both the voters and the politicians need to find a way to use it effectively.

This deluded idea that voters have no accountability for who gets into office or public perception of who's in office is just asinine.

Politicians don't exist in a vacuum. We agree that politicians hold a responsible to come up with better messaging. The problem where you and I disagree is this idea that the voters, you know the people that vote for said politicians, are totally powerless collectively in their pushed messaging of their own side.

Republican messaging works in targeting because it's easy for them to discourage our side from voting or even going 3rd party. They can flood social media with troll bots or false narratives, and many on our side will happily regurgitate it.

For example, "Biden old" or "Democrats abandoned the working class."

I think the voters both could and should do better.

I think political parties must find a way to win whether they do or not.

ai123 posted...

I think the voters both could and should do better.

I think political parties must find a way to win whether they do or not.

Yes the politicians should find a way to win regardless.

The voters also should do the same.

loafy013 posted...

Your reddit algorithm must be different than mine. All the posts from "Democrats" were about why Biden and Kamala were terrible and, at the least, you should abstain from voting to send them a message.

And lack of conservative talking points is because hate for minorities isn't acceptable in most subs.

The main subs (r/politics, r/pics and others) was essentially "Trump bad" and "DNC does good".

Hell, the main algorithm is still about Trump being bad. Which is why I found this entire idea that only the rightwings that has any control over the media to be completely wishful-thinking and not really trying to face the fact that the DNC had some media power but people were actively avoiding it while DNC itself was constantly shooting themselves in the foot with such awful campaign.

Why does Vicky ACAB deserve more scorn than the DNC?

El_Dustino posted...

Why does Vicky ACAB deserve more scorn than the DNC?

Because she is directly influencing people to help Trump/Republicans.

Meanwhile, the DNC is disappointing in various ways to various interest groups.

EPR-radar posted...

Meanwhile, the DNC is disappointing in various ways to various interest groups.

Dude you should get a PR job for the DNC

El_Dustino posted...

Dude you should get a PR job for the DNC

Why would they pay him to do something he's already doing for free?

Up.

May I ask why you thought the topic needed bumping? What remains unsaid here?

reincarnator07 posted...

May I ask why you thought the topic needed bumping? What remains unsaid here?

If it bothered you that he bumped it, you know no one is forcing you to participate in his topic, right?

asdf8562 posted...

If it bothered you that he bumped it, you know no one is forcing you to participate in his topic, right?

It's not that I'm bothered, it's that I'm trying to understand him.