Current Events > I'm getting warned not to use LGBT in emails with the Indian Health Service.

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DrizztLink
02/03/25 6:19:37 PM
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IHS being the part of the federal Department of Health and Human Services that covers Indigenous populations in the US.

Evidently their communications are no longer considered secure and they are receiving pressure from on high to identify gender-non-conforming individuals.

They have also been expressly forbidden from using pronouns in email, which sounds like a bit of a shit show.

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Phantom_Nook
02/03/25 6:20:47 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
They have also been expressly forbidden from using pronouns in email
"my mom isn't doing good. she has cancer."
"you used a pronoun, no health care for you."

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Umbreon
02/03/25 6:22:50 PM
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Time for people to rename themselves Rufus Xavier Sarsaparilla.

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Mechu
02/03/25 6:29:54 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
They have also been expressly forbidden from using pronouns in email
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HighSeraph
02/03/25 6:31:38 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
They have also been expressly forbidden from using pronouns in email
"Convey things to me in English but don't use this necessary element of it"

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Tom_Joad
02/03/25 6:41:01 PM
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DrizztLink posted...


They have also been expressly forbidden from using pronouns in email, which sounds like a bit of a shit show.

Time to rename oneself to:

Alfonso Mara Isabel Francisco Eugenio Gabriel Pedro Sebastin Pelayo Fernando Francisco de Paula Po Miguel Rafael Juan Jos Joaqun Ana Zacaras Elisabeth Simen Tereso Pedro Pablo Tadeo Santiago Simn Lucas Juan Mateo Andrs Bartolom Ambrosio Gernimo Agustn Bernardo Cndido Gerardo Luis-Gonzaga Filomeno Camilo Cayetano Andrs-Avelino Bruno Joaqun-Picolimini Felipe Luis-Rey-de-Francia Ricardo Esteban-Protomrtir Genaro Nicols Estanislao-de-Koska Lorenzo Vicente Crisstomo Cristano Daro Ignacio Francisco-Javier Francisco-de-Borja Higona Clemente Esteban-de-Hungra Ladislado Enrique Ildefonso Hermenegildo Carlos-Borromeo Eduardo Francisco-Rgis Vicente-Ferrer Pascual Miguel-de-los-Santos Adriano Venancio Valentn Benito Jos-Oriol Domingo Florencio Alfacio Benre Domingo-de-Silos Ramn Isidro Manuel Antonio Todos-los-Santos de Borbn y Borbn.

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ROBBAN
02/03/25 6:46:07 PM
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Sidetrack here, but i didn't think the term "Indian" was still used for Native Americans.

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Enclave
02/03/25 6:47:40 PM
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ROBBAN posted...
Sidetrack here, but i didn't think the term "Indian" was still used for Native Americans.

Yeah, I was immediately thinking of Indians as in people from India which is what Indian actually means.

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DrizztLink
02/03/25 7:01:33 PM
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ROBBAN posted...
Sidetrack here, but i didn't think the term "Indian" was still used for Native Americans.
It's an artifact title from when it was created.

It absolutely should be updated, but the wheels of IHS move goddamn slow, even by government standards.

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OneSpookyGirl
02/03/25 7:14:02 PM
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ROBBAN posted...
Sidetrack here, but i didn't think the term "Indian" was still used for Native Americans.
Some of us don't actually care about it, especially older folk and organisations who actively use it. Others even dislike terms like "Native American", which has a somewhat similar problem to "Indian", because we aren't "American" and predate the naming of the Americas altogether. Generally, it's not always a big deal depending on tribe, location, demographic, etc.

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archizzy
02/03/25 7:15:09 PM
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ROBBAN posted...
Sidetrack here, but i didn't think the term "Indian" was still used for Native Americans.

For what its worth my step dad is full blooded American Indian, making my half brother and sisters partial and he was proud of and preferred the term American Indian because you knew exactly what that was. He thought the term Native American was stupid because he would tell me I was a Native American since I was born here.

So its a very personal thing that varies so because of his influence and my brothers own preference I say they are American Indian. But others may have a different preference or not care at all.

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Amakusa
02/03/25 7:56:10 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
They have also been expressly forbidden from using pronouns in email, which sounds like a bit of a shit show.
Realistically the only way around this is to constantly use their name in substitution for the pronoun until it gets to a point they get annoyed with that, too.

"Bob's bike has a flat, so Bob needs to take Bob's bike to the shop to repair Bob's bike." Or something like that.
(making stupid corrections to stop my own pronoun usage)

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DrizztLink
02/03/25 7:57:33 PM
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Amakusa posted...
Realistically the only way around this is to constantly use their name in substitution for the pronoun until it gets to a point they get annoyed with that, too.
It's actually DrizztLink's intended bit of resistance.

DrizztLink doesn't think that it will actually change anything, but DrizztLink has always been a proponent of malicious compliance.

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ssjevot
02/03/25 7:59:09 PM
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ROBBAN posted...
Sidetrack here, but i didn't think the term "Indian" was still used for Native Americans.

The reservation I grew up on is explicitly called "Indian Reservation" (no I am not myself a Native, I just lived there). Some people prefer Indian. Depends on the individual as has been mentioned.

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OneSpookyGirl
02/03/25 8:35:18 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
It's [...] it [...] anything [...]
Sorry, citizen. The sentence is 30 years in the iso-cube.

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Sayoria
02/03/25 8:48:29 PM
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I'd literally forcefully start sending emails without pronouns and make it obvious.

"I was talking to Ted. said that should have a meeting with Joe tomorrow at 6. When talking to Joe, said that want to move the meeting to 7 because has to pick up daughter from afterschool program."

And if you see a pronoun of any sort in the emails, report it. Any single pronoun.

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DrizztLink
02/03/25 8:51:41 PM
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OneSpookyGirl posted...
Sorry, citizen. The sentence is 30 years in the iso-cube.
Fuck.

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GrandConjuraton
02/03/25 8:51:51 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
identify gender-non-conforming individuals.
Time to bust out the triangles?

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UnholyMudcrab
02/03/25 8:51:52 PM
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Sayoria posted...
I'd literally forcefully start sending emails without pronouns and make it obvious.

"I was talking to Ted. said that should have a meeting with Joe tomorrow at 6. When talking to Joe, said that want to move the meeting to 7 because has to pick up daughter from afterschool program."

And if you see a pronoun of any sort in the emails, report it. Any single pronoun.
"I" is also a pronoun, gotta leave that one off too

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Tom_Joad
02/03/25 8:58:22 PM
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Tom_Joad posted...
Time to rename oneself to:

Alfonso Mara Isabel Francisco Eugenio Gabriel Pedro Sebastin Pelayo Fernando Francisco de Paula Po Miguel Rafael Juan Jos Joaqun Ana Zacaras Elisabeth Simen Tereso Pedro Pablo Tadeo Santiago Simn Lucas Juan Mateo Andrs Bartolom Ambrosio Gernimo Agustn Bernardo Cndido Gerardo Luis-Gonzaga Filomeno Camilo Cayetano Andrs-Avelino Bruno Joaqun-Picolimini Felipe Luis-Rey-de-Francia Ricardo Esteban-Protomrtir Genaro Nicols Estanislao-de-Koska Lorenzo Vicente Crisstomo Cristano Daro Ignacio Francisco-Javier Francisco-de-Borja Higona Clemente Esteban-de-Hungra Ladislado Enrique Ildefonso Hermenegildo Carlos-Borromeo Eduardo Francisco-Rgis Vicente-Ferrer Pascual Miguel-de-los-Santos Adriano Venancio Valentn Benito Jos-Oriol Domingo Florencio Alfacio Benre Domingo-de-Silos Ramn Isidro Manuel Antonio Todos-los-Santos de Borbn y Borbn.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_de_Borb%C3%B3n_y_Borb%C3%B3n


Alfonso Mara Isabel Francisco Eugenio Gabriel Pedro Sebastin Pelayo Fernando Francisco de Paula Po Miguel Rafael Juan Jos Joaqun Ana Zacaras Elisabeth Simen Tereso Pedro Pablo Tadeo Santiago Simn Lucas Juan Mateo Andrs Bartolom Ambrosio Gernimo Agustn Bernardo Cndido Gerardo Luis-Gonzaga Filomeno Camilo Cayetano Andrs-Avelino Bruno Joaqun-Picolimini Felipe Luis-Rey-de-Francia Ricardo Esteban-Protomrtir Genaro Nicols Estanislao-de-Koska Lorenzo Vicente Crisstomo Cristano Daro Ignacio Francisco-Javier Francisco-de-Borja Higona Clemente Esteban-de-Hungra Ladislado Enrique Ildefonso Hermenegildo Carlos-Borromeo Eduardo Francisco-Rgis Vicente-Ferrer Pascual Miguel-de-los-Santos Adriano Venancio Valentn Benito Jos-Oriol Domingo Florencio Alfacio Benre Domingo-de-Silos Ramn Isidro Manuel Antonio Todos-los-Santos de Borbn y Borbn spoke with Alfonso Mara Isabel Francisco Eugenio Gabriel Pedro Sebastin Pelayo Fernando Francisco de Paula Po Miguel Rafael Juan Jos Joaqun Ana Zacaras Elisabeth Simen Tereso Pedro Pablo Tadeo Santiago Simn Lucas Juan Mateo Andrs Bartolom Ambrosio Gernimo Agustn Bernardo Cndido Gerardo Luis-Gonzaga Filomeno Camilo Cayetano Andrs-Avelino Bruno Joaqun-Picolimini Felipe Luis-Rey-de-Francia Ricardo Esteban-Protomrtir Genaro Nicols Estanislao-de-Koska Lorenzo Vicente Crisstomo Cristano Daro Ignacio Francisco-Javier Francisco-de-Borja Higona Clemente Esteban-de-Hungra Ladislado Enrique Ildefonso Hermenegildo Carlos-Borromeo Eduardo Francisco-Rgis Vicente-Ferrer Pascual Miguel-de-los-Santos Adriano Venancio Valentn Benito Jos-Oriol Domingo Florencio Alfacio Benre Domingo-de-Silos Ramn Isidro Manuel Antonio Todos-los-Santos de Borbn y Borbn today, about the fate of Alfonso Mara Isabel Francisco Eugenio Gabriel Pedro Sebastin Pelayo Fernando Francisco de Paula Po Miguel Rafael Juan Jos Joaqun Ana Zacaras Elisabeth Simen Tereso Pedro Pablo Tadeo Santiago Simn Lucas Juan Mateo Andrs Bartolom Ambrosio Gernimo Agustn Bernardo Cndido Gerardo Luis-Gonzaga Filomeno Camilo Cayetano Andrs-Avelino Bruno Joaqun-Picolimini Felipe Luis-Rey-de-Francia Ricardo Esteban-Protomrtir Genaro Nicols Estanislao-de-Koska Lorenzo Vicente Crisstomo Cristano Daro Ignacio Francisco-Javier Francisco-de-Borja Higona Clemente Esteban-de-Hungra Ladislado Enrique Ildefonso Hermenegildo Carlos-Borromeo Eduardo Francisco-Rgis Vicente-Ferrer Pascual Miguel-de-los-Santos Adriano Venancio Valentn Benito Jos-Oriol Domingo Florencio Alfacio Benre Domingo-de-Silos Ramn Isidro Manuel Antonio Todos-los-Santos de Borbn y Borbn's parents. Alfonso Mara Isabel Francisco Eugenio Gabriel Pedro Sebastin Pelayo Fernando Francisco de Paula Po Miguel Rafael Juan Jos Joaqun Ana Zacaras Elisabeth Simen Tereso Pedro Pablo Tadeo Santiago Simn Lucas Juan Mateo Andrs Bartolom Ambrosio Gernimo Agustn Bernardo Cndido Gerardo Luis-Gonzaga Filomeno Camilo Cayetano Andrs-Avelino Bruno Joaqun-Picolimini Felipe Luis-Rey-de-Francia Ricardo Esteban-Protomrtir Genaro Nicols Estanislao-de-Koska Lorenzo Vicente Crisstomo Cristano Daro Ignacio Francisco-Javier Francisco-de-Borja Higona Clemente Esteban-de-Hungra Ladislado Enrique Ildefonso Hermenegildo Carlos-Borromeo Eduardo Francisco-Rgis Vicente-Ferrer Pascual Miguel-de-los-Santos Adriano Venancio Valentn Benito Jos-Oriol Domingo Florencio Alfacio Benre Domingo-de-Silos Ramn Isidro Manuel Antonio Todos-los-Santos de Borbn y Borbn was worried that Alfonso Mara Isabel Francisco Eugenio Gabriel Pedro Sebastin Pelayo Fernando Francisco de Paula Po Miguel Rafael Juan Jos Joaqun Ana Zacaras Elisabeth Simen Tereso Pedro Pablo Tadeo Santiago Simn Lucas Juan Mateo Andrs Bartolom Ambrosio Gernimo Agustn Bernardo Cndido Gerardo Luis-Gonzaga Filomeno Camilo Cayetano Andrs-Avelino Bruno Joaqun-Picolimini Felipe Luis-Rey-de-Francia Ricardo Esteban-Protomrtir Genaro Nicols Estanislao-de-Koska Lorenzo Vicente Crisstomo Cristano Daro Ignacio Francisco-Javier Francisco-de-Borja Higona Clemente Esteban-de-Hungra Ladislado Enrique Ildefonso Hermenegildo Carlos-Borromeo Eduardo Francisco-Rgis Vicente-Ferrer Pascual Miguel-de-los-Santos Adriano Venancio Valentn Benito Jos-Oriol Domingo Florencio Alfacio Benre Domingo-de-Silos Ramn Isidro Manuel Antonio Todos-los-Santos de Borbn y Borbn's parents might need to visit Alfonso Mara Isabel Francisco Eugenio Gabriel Pedro Sebastin Pelayo Fernando Francisco de Paula Po Miguel Rafael Juan Jos Joaqun Ana Zacaras Elisabeth Simen Tereso Pedro Pablo Tadeo Santiago Simn Lucas Juan Mateo Andrs Bartolom Ambrosio Gernimo Agustn Bernardo Cndido Gerardo Luis-Gonzaga Filomeno Camilo Cayetano Andrs-Avelino Bruno Joaqun-Picolimini Felipe Luis-Rey-de-Francia Ricardo Esteban-Protomrtir Genaro Nicols Estanislao-de-Koska Lorenzo Vicente Crisstomo Cristano Daro Ignacio Francisco-Javier Francisco-de-Borja Higona Clemente Esteban-de-Hungra Ladislado Enrique Ildefonso Hermenegildo Carlos-Borromeo Eduardo Francisco-Rgis Vicente-Ferrer Pascual Miguel-de-los-Santos Adriano Venancio Valentn Benito Jos-Oriol Domingo Florencio Alfacio Benre Domingo-de-Silos Ramn Isidro Manuel Antonio Todos-los-Santos de Borbn y Borbn's homeland in order to afford the medical care necessary to stay healthy, in order to stay alive long enough to see Alfonso Mara Isabel Francisco Eugenio Gabriel Pedro Sebastin Pelayo Fernando Francisco de Paula Po Miguel Rafael Juan Jos Joaqun Ana Zacaras Elisabeth Simen Tereso Pedro Pablo Tadeo Santiago Simn Lucas Juan Mateo Andrs Bartolom Ambrosio Gernimo Agustn Bernardo Cndido Gerardo Luis-Gonzaga Filomeno Camilo Cayetano Andrs-Avelino Bruno Joaqun-Picolimini Felipe Luis-Rey-de-Francia Ricardo Esteban-Protomrtir Genaro Nicols Estanislao-de-Koska Lorenzo Vicente Crisstomo Cristano Daro Ignacio Francisco-Javier Francisco-de-Borja Higona Clemente Esteban-de-Hungra Ladislado Enrique Ildefonso Hermenegildo Carlos-Borromeo Eduardo Francisco-Rgis Vicente-Ferrer Pascual Miguel-de-los-Santos Adriano Venancio Valentn Benito Jos-Oriol Domingo Florencio Alfacio Benre Domingo-de-Silos Ramn Isidro Manuel Antonio Todos-los-Santos de Borbn y Borbn marry.

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ironman2009
02/03/25 9:00:27 PM
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seems pretty important for health services to identify yourself correctly. these rules/laws are insane.

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ROBBAN
02/03/25 9:26:40 PM
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OneSpookyGirl posted...
because we aren't "American" and predate the naming of the Americas altogether.
Damn, i didn't even think about that

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Sayoria
02/03/25 9:46:26 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
"I" is also a pronoun, gotta leave that one off too

Whoops. Correct. Gotta stop using 'I' too.

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LosingStreak06
02/03/25 10:24:31 PM
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Not to spoil anyones plans for malicious compliance, but Im betting the no pronouns in emails thing is just referring to having you preferred pronouns listed in your email signature, which is fairly commonplace these days but obviously detested by the transphobic rightwingers in charge of the country.

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UnholyMudcrab
02/03/25 10:26:20 PM
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LosingStreak06 posted...
Not to spoil anyones plans for malicious compliance, but Im betting the no pronouns in emails thing is just referring to having you preferred pronouns listed in your email signature, which is fairly commonplace these days but obviously detested by the transphobic rightwingers in charge of the country.
Yeah, well that's not the way it's phrased.

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Notti
02/07/25 7:00:24 AM
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The pronoun pronouncement.

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NeonPhoenix
02/07/25 7:01:07 AM
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Enclave posted...
Yeah, I was immediately thinking of Indians as in people from India which is what Indian actually means.
this >_>

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Bass
02/07/25 9:05:06 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
They have also been expressly forbidden from using pronouns in email, which sounds like a bit of a shit show.
This is the single dumbest guidence I have ever heard.

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creativerealms
02/07/25 9:19:25 AM
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Phantom_Nook posted...
"my mom isn't doing good. she has cancer."
"you used a pronoun, no health care for you."
No what they hate is the labeling of pronouns next to peoples names. Basically they want to misguided people.

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LightSnake
02/08/25 9:48:38 AM
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Using pronouns is grounds for punishment.

being caught being super racist and eugenicist? Easily forgiven

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Starks
02/08/25 9:49:49 AM
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Conservatives really don't understand just how much they use the third person singular.

You could be in traffic and almost lose a brake-check to somebody. You don't know that person's gender when you talk about them later.

Yet somehow MAGAs swear that "they" is the exclusive domain of the third person plural and giggle that "it" would be more appropriate.

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Mechu
02/08/25 11:19:48 AM
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Starks posted...
Conservatives really don't understand
Could've stopped there
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Robot2600
02/08/25 11:21:25 AM
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Starks posted...
Conservatives really don't

This also works.

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DnDer
02/08/25 12:09:18 PM
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[LFAQs-redacted-quote]


It's a little more complex than that I think, but my (incredibly basic) understanding is that the short-short answer is yes, and the common (but not commonly-agreed on) term is "two-spirit."

GrandConjuraton posted...
Time to bust out the triangles?

Just wait. Trump will surely try to bring back the pink triangles.


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DrizztLink
02/08/25 2:37:39 PM
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DnDer posted...
It's a little more complex than that I think, but my (incredibly basic) understanding is that the short-short answer is yes, and the common (but not commonly-agreed on) term is "two-spirit."
My only particular experience is with the Navajo tradition.

In the story, men and women once began to argue, and they ended up living on opposite sides of the river. This continued until the ndleehi (nod-LAY-he, Din bizaad term) came and negotiated between the two, and they had an honored role as ambassadors ever since until Eurocentric bullshit fucked it up.

Extremely paraphrased.

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