Current Events > I urge you all to discard the notion that "America voted for this".

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wackyteen posted...

People had single issues to vote for Trump and clung to those issues thinking that he was only being hyperbolic with his dictator rhetoric or that he would be fair handed in his handling of their issues.

They expected him to be fair and reasonable, instead they got the opposite. Which should have been obvious after the first go around, but many people either forgot his antics during the first term (or never kept up, that shit was exhausting) or only remembered the vibe/feel of 'better times' (read: pre-Covid) and he represented that time frame

This is how I feel about it. I think too many people just didn't take him saying what he will do at face value.

SydnieStarlight posted...

Maybe you're fine with rolling over and letting Trump do whatever he wants to everyone, but I'm sure f***ing not, and I'm certainly not going to just accept it when you tell me to give up and die.

How the FUCK did you reach this conclusion from articles showing that Trump advertised all these policies and a vote for him meant you voted for him doing all this?

I really hope you didn't vote for him or abstain from Harris

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This. Great point

We knew he would do all this because people were very dilligent to sound the alarm

however for some reason people took knives and cut their ears out and smiled as they went to the ballot

Error1355 posted...

I think too many people just didn't take him saying what he will do at face value.

Correct.

But just because you heard a guy say "you won't have to vote EVER again if I win" and say "nah he won't do that"

doesn't mean if you voted for him you didn't vote for that

you did, because he told you he would do it and you voted him anyways

(error didn't vote for him this is speaking general terms)

WingsOfGood posted...

This. Great point

We knew he would do all this because people were very dilligent to sound the alarm

however for some reason people took knives and cut their ears out and smiled as they went to the ballot

Cause the media is controlled by the rich, both traditional and social. You notice how the momentum behind Kamala really fucking died the moment she went after the rich? Wanting them to get taxed? People just heard shit about her being DEI and all this garbage instead of her actual policies.

LightHawKnight posted...

Cause the media is controlled by the rich, both traditional and social. You notice how the momentum behind Kamala really fucking died the moment she went after the rich? Wanting them to get taxed? People just heard shit about her being DEI and all this garbage instead of her actual policies.

false

I already shared articles from November before the vote sounding alarm that were from media

People need to learn some accountability.

Whether it was from others or from Trump's own mouth, people were warned what was going to happen. People either didn't care or didn't take it seriously, so much so that people kept parroting stupid shit like "oh someone will stop him" or "that's illegal so no, lol stop dooming" etc

There's only one group of people that voted against him outright, and while protest voters and non voters may not have directly voted for him they sure as shit didn't vote to stop him from getting power again.

WingsOfGood posted...

false

I already shared articles from November before the vote sounding alarm that were from media

Articles that got pushed out. Not just articles, social media focused on the bullshit.

R_Jackal posted...

Anyone who actually paid any modicum of attention, which is far more than your average American can offer to anything that isn't your FotM reality TV slop, knew this exactly what would happen from a hundred miles off. Ignorance doesn't mean you didn't vote for it, just that you shouldn't vote.

This. The chaos and pain of a second Trump term was completely foreseeable. People either voted for it knowingly or were too lazy and ignorant to pay attention for the five minutes it took to figure it out.

Either way: folks are getting the clown show they voted for.

tripleh213 posted...

Does it really matter anymore?

Yes it does. Because getting people to understand that would help in the fight to make things better.

A lot of it is what he said he'd do, and people have to take responsibility for it. But what he's actually doing is even worse than Project 2025 and very few people are aware of where the reality comes from. What DOGE is doing isn't what he ran on. He ran on it being an advisory body that would make recommendations that could be approved or rejected by Congress.

Instead, it's an illegal collection of tech bros stealing private data, kicking out and holding agency personnel hostage, and conducting mass illegal firings almost at random, canceling contracts, freezing funds etc. That's not Project 2025, that's RAGE (Retire All Government Employees), and it's even worse and far more illegal. It's a techno feudalist/monarchist/libertarian/fascist wet dream that is being implemented at breakneck speed, hoping that the things they break will stay broken.

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I never cared for a lot of liberal twitter or other social media. They've always been too busy with coming up with zingers and such and it does end up cringey. "Desperate for a win" is a pretty good description for those types.

Frankly, I just can't understand you people.

Why are you all so okay with this outcome? Why do you look at the party known specifically for widespread lies and deceit and think this is the one time they're being honest? How could you watch them spend a decade building up this massive conspiracy theory about Trump and his political enemies, a conspiracy theory that's lunacy on its face and easily ripped to shreds, yet they cling to it and push it anyway, no matter what dirty or dishonest tricks they need to use...

But the one and only thing they're actually being honest about is that they're genuinely popular?

How can you look at this and tell yourselves that there's nothing weird about it, that it makes perfect sense?

How can you insist that this doesn't warrant any scrutiny? That we just need to accept that the republican party really is that well-liked?

How?

How?

wackyteen posted...

People had single issues to vote for Trump and clung to those issues thinking that he was only being hyperbolic with his dictator rhetoric or that he would be fair handed in his handling of their issues.

Yup. People just stuck their heads in the sand and went "I'm sure he's only going to affect the bad people and not me".

Surprise.

you are trolling

now I get it

Voting has always been about agreeing with the candidate's potential cabinet picks.

I know tons of ignorant Trumpers IRL.

I would also like to add one other thing, granted this one is personal observation: There is an enormous accountability problem in the USA. It's been basically years since I've seen anyone just own up when they make a mistake, and I travel a decent bit for what I do--not saying it's 100% true, but the amount of "Oh yeah that just happened because..." "Well I did this only because..." "I only did this because you..." is through the roof on what I hear on the regular. No one is ever at fault when shit happens because "Shit happens" is apparently a mantra, the only galactic truth these days. Taking away even more accountability from these people, assuring them they didn't vote for or cause this, is a catastrophically bad mentality.

We have taken failure, and wrong doing, and bubble-wrapped ourselves from it because we can always find some subsection of people online to prove we always do the right thing. Eventually, even if we're not entirely on the road to this point right now, that way of life where we refuse to acknowledge and therefore learn from our mistakes, no matter how ugly they may be, will be the downfall of humanity at large. Those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it is not longer just a cool opening line for a movie, we're living in those times right now where we pay the price for burying our heads in the sand.

coolboy11 posted...

I think a lot of people struggle with the fact that a large subsection of the populace are legit attracted to Trump because they are genuinely bad human beings who like hurting others rather than anything of substance.

-they like throwing immigrants out the country because they are racial and or nationalistic supremacists.
-they like gutting the federal workforce because many are genuinely jealous that most of them have better jobs than they could ever hope for.
-they respect Putin invading Ukraine and his bonker society because they want the same form of naked imperialism and regressive Conservative values gripping every aspect of our American society.
-they like cutting health benefits because they view the unhealthy and elderly as parasites despite being often old and unhealthy themselves (good ol internalized hate)

Americans viewed our country men and women as often better people than they actually were and therefore dismissed the fascist overtones that colored much of the American underbelly, people can and often change but it is going to require some serious self reflection that frankly I'm not sure a lot of our society is willing to do.

That's a lot of words just to say, they're very stupid. And FYI, the majority of Americans aren't evil. They don't even participate in politics. The ones you mentioned are very easy to identify by how they consistently vote Republican. Everyone else is just very uninformed. You can blame that on the ruling elites; the Republicans who played the long game by deteriorating American intelligence, and the Democrats who just stood there and let it happen.

SydnieStarlight posted...

Why are you all so okay with this outcome?

NO ONE IS OK WITH THIS SHIT

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

But you see too many of these online spaces only ever had spite. Spite can only go two ways. It can be vindicated if you get the result you want, or it can be reinforced when you don't.

The latter is what has happened, but spite does not reason or hope or seek out positive opportunities. It goes back to just being spite, until the cycle repeats itself.

Youre heads in the right place TC, but its likely going to fall on deaf ears.

R_Jackal posted...

There is an enormous accountability problem in the USA. It's been basically years since I've seen anyone just own up when they make a mistake,

you hit the nail on the head

this reminds me of Humble and his anti-kamala people threads

dudes literally realizing Trump is super bad but they still say they did nothing wrong

ego is too high for the average American, and the supposed "christian nation" being too full of pride
admitting wrong makes you not a real man or something
better to beat someone up than admit you were wrong

I see it all the time, and you see it a lot here on CE over the years as dude absolutely loses argument but cannot admit it and keeps going

isn't there a guy with a sig like that even?

AceMos posted...

NO ONE IS OK WITH THIS SHIT

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

they are trolling because it was proven that articles existed before the vote elaborately detailing Trump would do all this

AceMos posted...

NO ONE IS OK WITH THIS SHIT

WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

If you're not okay with it then why are you so opposed to the notion that the party known specifically for lying to manipulate people might be lying to manipulate people?

You can't say "Um, actually, the republicans really ARE as popular as they claim to be" and then act surprised when you get called out for just accepting that.

R_Jackal posted...

I would also like to add one other thing, granted this one is personal observation: There is an enormous accountability problem in the USA. It's been basically years since I've seen anyone just own up when they make a mistake, and I travel a decent bit for what I do--not saying it's 100% true, but the amount of "Oh yeah that just happened because..." "Well I did this only because..." "I only did this because you..." is through the roof on what I hear on the regular. No one is ever at fault when s*** happens because "s*** happens" is apparently a mantra, the only galactic truth these days. Taking away even more accountability from these people, assuring them they didn't vote for or cause this, is a catastrophically bad mentality.

Toonstrack posted...

But you see too many of these online spaces only ever had spite. Spite can only go two ways. It can be vindicated if you get the result you want, or it can be reinforced when you don't.

The latter is what has happened, but spite does not reason or hope or seek out positive opportunities. It goes back to just being spite, until the cycle repeats itself.

Youre heads in the right place TC, but its likely going to fall on deaf ears.

exhibit A

SydnieStarlight posted...

If you're not okay with it then why are you so opposed to the notion that the party known specifically for lying to manipulate people might be lying to manipulate people?

You can't say "Um, actually, the republicans really ARE as popular as they claim to be" and then act surprised when you get called out for just accepting that.

if you voted for lies

you still voted for lies

why is it that you want to relieve accountability?

I really hope you didn't vote for this and got fooled

Why did the immigrants and trans people make us vote for Trump? I am outraged!!!

legendary_zell posted...

A lot of it is what he said he'd do, and people have to take responsibility for it. But what he's actually doing is even worse than Project 2025 and very few people are aware of where the reality comes from. What DOGE is doing isn't what he ran on. He ran on it being an advisory body that would make recommendations that could be approved or rejected by Congress.

Instead, it's an illegal collection of tech bros stealing private data, kicking out and holding agency personnel hostage, and conducting mass illegal firings almost at random, canceling contracts, freezing funds etc. That's not Project 2025, that's RAGE (Retire All Government Employees), and it's even worse and far more illegal. It's a techno feudalist/monarchist/libertarian/fascist wet dream that is being implemented at breakneck speed, hoping that the things they break will stay broken.

Your posts are always great and well thought out, so I am absolutely not including you in this. And what you write above is absolutely accurate. But this is what drives me around the bend about the American voter. Not only do many of them not grasp the basic issues, but so many of the ones that do can never look all the way to the end of a line of reasoning.

There is a dumb group of voters who missed or ignored the exact stuff Trump said he would do. But there are a group of others who didnt realize he would take it this far. How could they feel that way after Trumps first term? The man spent years showing utter contempt for checks and balances or any impediment to his authority. He was impeached twice for misusing the power of his office. He tried to overthrow the duly elected government on national TV when he lost.

Even if he did not run on the slash and burn he is doing now: How could anyone think something like this would not occur? A man who has shown he wants unchecked authority, and far fewer guardrails than in a first term. Of course something like this was going to happen, no matter what his stump speech said.

So many of my fellow Americans cant seem to think about more than what is directly in front of them. We are a nation woefully short of critical thinkers.

SydnieStarlight posted...

Frankly, I just can't understand you people.

Why are you all so okay with this outcome?

lol what is this post

Americans voted for this by being ignorant, bigots, racists, dumb, low info etc.

Yes, continue to use this phrase till the morons raise up, as they mostly will when they hit rock bottom, like Jan6th and others incident they denied

Cult ain't going to wake up till hit the bottom of the barrels. Middle ground didn't please them, statistic and fact couldn't reach them, they need a constant reminder they voted for it.

Sarcasm also didn't reachTC?

Error1355 posted...

lol what is this post

oh you

Oh shit, this whole topic is back door election denial.
He's saying people didn't vote for this because he thinks the thing was stolen and not that 40-50% of the country are somewhere in the range of evil to stupid.

Kaitouace posted...

Yup. People just stuck their heads in the sand and went "I'm sure he's only going to affect the bad people and not me".

Surprise.

That's quite literally how my grandmother thought.

"Oh he'll only go after the violent illegal immigrants"

"What do you mean he's going after birthright citizenship?"

And it doesn't even really affect her because both her parents were American.

Nor does it affect me because my mother is a fully legal American and as far as I know my dad is too, despite immigrating (legally) from England as a child.

In the end of the day op, the president is a reflection of the American People and the principles behind American civilization as a whole.

So when a president who tarnishes everything that America stands for, gets elected well I think you get the picture

One of my favorite Bible passages grows more prescient by the day:

"20 Wisdom cries aloud in the street, in the open squares she raises her voice; 21 Down the crowded ways she calls out, at the city gates she utters her words: 22 How long, you naive ones, will you love naivete, 23 How long will you turn away at my reproof? [The arrogant delight in their arrogance, and fools hate knowledge.] Lo! I will pour out to you my spirit, I will acquaint you with my words:
24 Because I called and you refused, extended my hand and no one took notice; 25 Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignored 26 I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; 27 When terror comes upon you like a storm, and your doom approaches like a whirlwind; when distress and anguish befall you. 28 Then they will call me, but I will not answer; they will seek me, but will not find me, 29 Because they hated knowledge, and the fear of the LORD they did not choose. 30 They ignored my counsel, they spurned all my reproof; 31 Well, then, they shall eat the fruit of their own way, and with their own devices be glutted. 32 For the straying of the naive kills them, the smugness of fools destroys them. 33 But whoever obeys me dwells in security, in peace, without fear of harm.

~ Proverbs, Book 1, Verses 20-33

I know it's tempting to write this passage off as a Rorschach-esque fit of misplaced moral superiority, but the larger message as I've always seen it is that ignorance - especially in this country, in this day and age, with a vast wealth of information literally at your fingertips - is very much a choice, driven more often than not by arrogance and to a lesser extent greed. The voice of wisdom is always speaking to us, and the path of wisdom is always clearly laid out before us - but too many turn away because it's telling us what we don't want to hear, and get locked in a spiral of addictive validation from Fox News and the like.

So yes, a slim majority of the American electorate, in their exceedingly proud and willful ignorance, did choose this. Everything that Trump and his regime had planned was laid out in exacting detail, yet through apathy or smugness they chose not to believe it; many of them even supported it in standard 'original position' fashion. Fox News and the like would not survive without a willful audience, no matter how much money their billionaire backers poured into them (Admittedly there's a special one-way ticket to Hell for deadly propagandists like Limbaugh and Hannity and all the rest, whereas the legions of masses they duped will at least have a chance to plead their case before St. Peter as to why they thought spending their adult lives worshipping the rich and spitting on the downtrodden was a good idea - though I suspect they'll be doubly shocked that all the talking points that right-wing media fed them over the years won't do them any favors in that moment).

Shouting wisdom from the town square can only get you so far if too few people are willing to hear it. The smug ignorance of a slim majority of the American people drove us into this position, and pride cometh before the fall; sometimes you just can't get through to people until they've been hoisted by their own petard. Sure does suck that the rest of us have to suffer for their arrogance; I don't necessarily agree with the schadenfreude inherent in the Bible passage, but it's getting harder and harder to fault people for it.

WingsOfGood posted...

if you voted for lies

you still voted for lies

why is it that you want to relieve accountability?

I really hope you didn't vote for this and got fooled

You've got it completely backwards. The one trying to "relieve accountability" here is you. You want to say "well, this is what the American people voted for" so you can justify sitting back and accepting it. "Americans wanted this, so there's no point trying to do anything about it". Maybe you don't even realize that's the message you're sending. I almost wonder if that makes it worse.

What I want is for people to stop just accepting this by telling themselves "it's what the people wanted". I want you to open your eyes and realize: THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE LIARS; WHY WOULD YOU EVER TRUST A STORY THAT BENEFITS THEM? Don't just sit back and say "Welp, this is what the people wanted", because it's not what the people wanted, it's what a minority of the people wanted. Even the people who didn't vote didn't do so out of a specific desire for this to happen; if that were the case, they would have voted for Trump.

I don't think you realize how much it hurts morale to keep insisting the enemy outnumbers us. I just hope you're not so obsessed with being technically correct that you forget we're in a crisis. It is not helpful right now to point fingers, and it's certainly not helpful to just throw up our hands. Quite the fucking opposite, in fact.

(By the way, no, I didn't vote for Trump. In the current political climate, the only morally justifiable way for an American to vote is for the democrat.)

I never said sit back and accept it, stop trolling please

Accountability means acknowledging that YOU voted for it

you did

He said he would fix it so you don't have to vote again, accept that when you voted for Trump, that is your fault

that is what you are trying to relieve, you don't want people to take accountability

also people saying "Kamala is evil genocider don't vote for her!" all day long, they share the blame

again you is in general sense only to whom it applies

Americans wanted this. Trump is the face of what America represents: Hate

also you won't get anywhere by relieving people of their accoutnability

to stop Trump you need people on the other side (republicans) to also voice dissent

the only way that will happen is if they wake back up into reality so realizing they voted for pain and now experience pain is really the only way that will happen

they have to be shocked into accountability

but you for some really strange reason want to coddle them
that doesn't work

they
voted
for
this

WingsOfGood posted...

also you won't get anywhere by relieving people of their accoutnability

to stop Trump you need people on the other side (republicans) to also voice dissent

the only way that will happen is if they wake back up into reality so realizing they voted for pain and now experience pain is really the only way that will happen

they have to be shocked into accountability

but you for some really strange reason want to coddle them
that doesn't work

they
voted
for
this

A big part why we're here at a 2nd Trump term is because the people who voted for him the first time never had any real accountability for the damage he managed to do.

WingsOfGood posted...

I never said sit back and accept it, stop trolling please

Accountability means acknowledging that YOU voted for it

you did

He said he would fix it so you don't have to vote again, accept that when you voted for Trump, that is your fault

that is what you are trying to relieve, you don't want people to take accountability

also people saying "Kamala is evil genocider don't vote for her!" all day long, they share the blame

I'm going to be honest, this post is just really hard to read. Instead of taking a step back to reflect, you decided to double down on baseless accusations. You don't want to help. You don't want to see this get better. You just want to be smug on the internet.

It's just so frustrating to see you, and so many people like you, still acting this way. Democracy in America is being strangled to death before our eyes and instead of doing even the barest minimum to rally against it, you'd rather spend your time laying blame.

It hurts. People like me are going to be among the first shipped off to camps, and when I try to tell you to focus on the ones who will be doing it, you insist the real enemy is the bystander watching it happen. Well, I'll tell you what, I'm sure not happy about them standing by and watching, but at least they aren't going to be the ones personally shoving me into a gas chamber.

SydnieStarlight posted...

I'm going to be honest, this post is just really hard to read.

Shut the fuck up

Well that's a very mask off troll post.

What a troll

WingsOfGood posted...

What a troll

The irony in this post is palpable.

A number of Americans voted for it, or didn't care enough to vote against it. The combination of the two is a majority.

Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that American voters didn't vote for this. American voters voted exactly for this! And what American voters voted for is a systemic effort to change this country for the worse!