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Evolician
03/01/25 11:37:11 AM
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What did you all think of it?

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The_Popo
03/01/25 11:55:45 AM
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Glad they made it, it was overall fun (especially for the cheap pop moments, like the revealing of SSJ3 Vegeta and SSJ4 Goku), but at the same time, it was frustrating to see the inconsistencies. The levels of Super Saiyan dont appear to have much meaning at this point, as they were largely interchangeable. At the end, the writers seemed to completely forget that Dende can heal people, as Vegeta couldnt even go Super Saiyan in the final battle due to how
drained he was, as Dende stands 10 feet away.

And I miss how back in DB/DBZ, the battles would flow, so you could see how one attack worked and gave someone an advantage, and how the opponent would counter it. Like in Goku v Vegeta, we have a feeling that Goku is at a disadvantage to Vegeta at the onset, and it is immediately confirmed as Vegeta is toying with him. From there

  • Goku uses Kaioken - something that we just saw one shot Nappa, but after an initial attack from Goku, Vegeta has the upper hand.
  • Goku uses Kaioken x2. Ok, this is new Goku can go even stronger with this move? Nice. But shockingly, Goku still gets thwarted by Vegeta. How strong is this guy?
  • Goku does a Kaioken x3, as Kaio panics about how Goku cannot handle this. We havent seen yet what the drawbacks are from overexerting Kaioken, but we also see that Vegeta is suddenly severely outclassed. And we also see Goku start to stagger himself, as it becomes too much for him.
And so on. We see the battle flow, as the advantage goes back and forth, and we get an idea of how strong each fighter is. Is Daima, there was very little of this. It was mostly just lightning paced fighting with (admittedly) gorgeous animation, but it was all sizzle and all stale. Gomah initially is matched by base adult Vegeta, but starts to catch up. Then Vegeta goes SSJ. If Gomah could barely match base Vegeta, then this should be nothing for Vegeta. But again, it soon becomes even. Veget eventually goes SSJ3, and starts to wipe the floor with Gomah. Keep in mind, SSJ3 is seemingly a 400x multiplier, and Gomah previously was losing to base Vegeta, but then he catches up again. And others occasionally join the fray, others who are significantly weaker than SSJ3 Vegeta, and they are able to trade blows with Gomah for stretches, before being rebuffed. Hell, even at the very end, SSJ4 Goku is having his way with Gomah, but then Gomah just seemingly catches up, as others join in to help Goku.

Stuff like that was just frustrating to me. Yeah, I may be over analyzing things, but it is still frustrating to me. Overall though, Im happy they made it.

Sorry for the wall of text.

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comicfire
03/01/25 12:00:53 PM
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Waiting for the dub to finish before starting

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mehmeh1
03/01/25 12:07:11 PM
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The_Popo posted...
Glad they made it, it was overall fun (especially for the cheap pop moments, like the revealing of SSJ3 Vegeta and SSJ4 Goku), but at the same time, it was frustrating to see the inconsistencies. The levels of Super Saiyan dont appear to have much meaning at this point, as they were largely interchangeable. At the end, the writers seemed to completely forget that Dende can heal people, as Vegeta couldnt even go Super Saiyan in the final battle due to how
drained he was, as Dende stands 10 feet away.

And I miss how back in DB/DBZ, the battles would flow, so you could see how one attack worked and gave someone an advantage, and how the opponent would counter it. Like in Goku v Vegeta, we have a feeling that Goku is at a disadvantage to Vegeta at the onset, and it is immediately confirmed as Vegeta is toying with him. From there

* Goku uses Kaioken - something that we just saw one shot Nappa, but after an initial attack from Goku, Vegeta has the upper hand.
* Goku uses Kaioken x2. Ok, this is new Goku can go even stronger with this move? Nice. But shockingly, Goku still gets thwarted by Vegeta. How strong is this guy?
* Goku does a Kaioken x3, as Kaio panics about how Goku cannot handle this. We havent seen yet what the drawbacks are from overexerting Kaioken, but we also see that Vegeta is suddenly severely outclassed. And we also see Goku start to stagger himself, as it becomes too much for him.
And so on. We see the battle flow, as the advantage goes back and forth, and we get an idea of how strong each fighter is. Is Daima, there was very little of this. It was mostly just lightning paced fighting with (admittedly) gorgeous animation, but it was all sizzle and all stale. Gomah initially is matched by base adult Vegeta, but starts to catch up. Then Vegeta goes SSJ. If Gomah could barely match base Vegeta, then this should be nothing for Vegeta. But again, it soon becomes even. Veget eventually goes SSJ3, and starts to wipe the floor with Gomah. Keep in mind, SSJ3 is seemingly a 400x multiplier, and Gomah previously was losing to base Vegeta, but then he catches up again. And others occasionally join the fray, others who are significantly weaker than SSJ3 Vegeta, and they are able to trade blows with Gomah for stretches, before being rebuffed. Hell, even at the very end, SSJ4 Goku is having his way with Gomah, but then Gomah just seemingly catches up, as others join in to help Goku.

Stuff like that was just frustrating to me. Yeah, I may be over analyzing things, but it is still frustrating to me. Overall though, Im happy they made it.

Sorry for the wall of text.
I feel a big part of it is Toriyama being genuinely amazing at paneling/framing, so even for simpler movements you can see exactly what each character is trying to do and how much impact it has. Though I do feel after the saiyan arc he kinda stopped portraying stamina much aside from when things got extremely dire.
Meanwhile while Daima did heavily involve Toriyama, he's not in charge of the storyboarding so that aspect's gone. And I feel that's something modern DB tends to struggle with, to the point sometimes it's hard to tell how much damage characters are supposed to be taking

That's why Goku vs T-3 is my favorite fight of the show. Gomah may have better sakuga, but Goku vs T-3 was extremely clean and up there with the best of the best in choreography, with great use of both characters' designs, sizes, the environment, etc

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Kami_no_Kami
03/01/25 12:09:28 PM
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Did they ever use the fusion bug or are they saving that for a season 2 that might not ever happen?
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Biofighter55
03/01/25 12:10:47 PM
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Story wise it sucks 4/10 but the fights were good, nice animation, good character moments, the majins I actually liked

goku at the end iykyk made anything his god and blue forms did look so weak


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Nemu
03/01/25 12:16:53 PM
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Definitely a massive case of lost potential. I 100% believe they had something better planned, but AT's death required them to toss together what they had. There are so many lost threads, dead ends for character development, dropped items, and that middle chunk of episodes that felt like pretty bad Toei filler writing. Overall, I don't consider it a waste of time, but it's sad that it wasn't great. It definitely had some of the best fights in Dragon Ball pretty much ever. Actual choreography goes a long way.
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VeggetaX
03/01/25 12:22:43 PM
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Is Dragon Ball Daima canon?

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Nemu
03/01/25 12:25:01 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
Is Dragon Ball Daima canon?
They've long abandoned the idea with the Super manga/anime split. It cannot exist in the Super timeline, but I wouldn't be surprised if it gets referenced without explanation.
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Biofighter55
03/01/25 12:25:08 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
Is Dragon Ball Daima canon?

debatable but unlikely it clashes a lot with super

especially with Goku saying he trained after buu to get ssj4 and can use it whenever he wants

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Evolician
03/01/25 2:42:48 PM
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VeggetaX posted...
Is Dragon Ball Daima canon?
Just accept that GT, Super, and Daima are three separate timelines. Each taking place after DBZ.

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AceMos
03/01/25 2:44:39 PM
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SSJ4 in daima lacks the emotion it had in GT

and its new design is just ugly

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CastletonSnob1
03/01/25 2:48:04 PM
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This has to be it, right? After Toriyama's death, they're not making any more Dragon Ball shows.
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Turbam
03/01/25 2:49:50 PM
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I don't have any thoughts because I haven't seen it

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Strider102
03/01/25 2:50:22 PM
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Did Goku reach Super Saiyan 5 God Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Ultra Instinct Kaioken x1,000,000 Super Saiyan in the end?

Or they gonna save that for the future?

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Evolician
03/01/25 2:51:19 PM
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CastletonSnob1 posted...
This has to be it, right? After Toriyama's death, they're not making any more Dragon Ball shows.
Unfortunately I dont think Daima was popular enough for Toei to want to make more. Didnt exactly set the world on fire.

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AceMos
03/01/25 2:51:57 PM
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CastletonSnob1 posted...
This has to be it, right? After Toriyama's death, they're not making any more Dragon Ball shows.

there is a current legal battle over ownership of the IP

but dragon ball is far to profitable for either side to let it die

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Srk700
03/01/25 2:54:01 PM
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Strider102 posted...
Did Goku reach Super Saiyan 5 God Ultra Instinct Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Ultra Instinct Kaioken x1,000,000 Super Saiyan in the end?

Or they gonna save that for the future?

Theyll use that for his rematch against Beerus, which hell still end up losing as Beerus transforms and moves the goalpost again.
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Biofighter55
03/01/25 3:51:06 PM
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CastletonSnob1 posted...
This has to be it, right? After Toriyama's death, they're not making any more Dragon Ball shows.

more than likely once it's legal issues are dealt with, it's gonna become like pokemon, marvel, star wars or DC

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Trumpo
03/01/25 3:51:27 PM
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Finished for good?

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mehmeh1
03/01/25 4:45:42 PM
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Trumpo posted...
Finished for good?
Yeah Daima was just a small 20 ep series. Basically an anniversary special

As for the future of DB. I feel a big part of it is on Toyo and how they let him continue/conclude Super. Anything else I don't really care

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Unsuprised_Pika
03/01/25 5:09:56 PM
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Evolician posted...
Unfortunately I dont think Daima was popular enough for Toei to want to make more. Didnt exactly set the world on fire.

Nah. The IP is too popular for there to not be more attempts.

Look at how much FighterZ, Xenoverse 2 and Sparking Zero have sold. And Dragon Ball Super was very popular too.

They won't stop milking for a long time even if there may be a lull.

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Evolician
03/01/25 6:56:32 PM
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Oh there will definitely be more Dragon Ball shows and movies in the future. I meant that there likely wont be a Daima Season 2 in particular.

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Cheater87
03/01/25 7:11:06 PM
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When will it be dubbed?

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WingsOfGood
03/01/25 7:17:07 PM
#25:


basically it was filler

unless that one guy appears later in super but even so it was still just filler
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SAlYAN
03/01/25 7:28:30 PM
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
Nah. The IP is too popular for there to not be more attempts.

Look at how much FighterZ, Xenoverse 2 and Sparking Zero have sold. And Dragon Ball Super was very popular too.

They won't stop milking for a long time even if there may be a lull.
And yet the second half of the super manga, which fans have been dying for am anime adaptation for, has been left to languish for years. Like, TOEI canceled it right when it was hitting its stride.

I dunno, they make bizarre decisions, sometimes.

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Unsuprised_Pika
03/01/25 8:01:23 PM
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SAlYAN posted...
And yet the second half of the super manga, which fans have been dying for am anime adaptation for, has been left to languish for years. Like, TOEI canceled it right when it was hitting its stride.

I dunno, they make bizarre decisions, sometimes.

I mean Toriyama dying threw things for a loop...also heard that there is some legal fighting going in behind the scenes as a result as well.

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SAlYAN
03/01/25 8:43:21 PM
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
I mean Toriyama dying threw things for a loop...also heard that there is some legal fighting going in behind the scenes as a result as well.
In terms of the manga continuing, sure.

But Moro and Granolah have been DYING for an anime adaptation. Merch opportunities, video game characters, a new form for Vegeta that fans love, and they were done and ready for market WAY before Toriyama died.

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mehmeh1
03/01/25 10:35:08 PM
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Cheater87 posted...
When will it be dubbed?
dub already started, 8 eps are out so far, 1 ep per week

SAlYAN posted...
In terms of the manga continuing, sure.

But Moro and Granolah have been DYING for an anime adaptation. Merch opportunities, video game characters, a new form for Vegeta that fans love, and they were done and ready for market WAY before Toriyama died.
I feel there was something behind the scenes at some point. Probably in part due to Super's garbage production schedule never really being fully fixed, and then Toei going ham on One Piece

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Biofighter55
03/01/25 10:45:54 PM
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mehmeh1 posted...
dub already started, 8 eps are out so far, 1 ep per week

I feel there was something behind the scenes at some point. Probably in part due to Super's garbage production schedule never really being fully fixed, and then Toei going ham on One Piece

capsule corp Tokyo owns the rights to the anime, which is own by toriyamas former right hand man with his blessing

Shuiesha owns the rights to or to distribute the manga

so at the moment anime of the manga exclusive arcs came be made at the moment

https://animemojo.com/dragon-ball/dragon-ball-super/following-akira-toriyamas-passing-theres-reportedly- controversy-surrounding-the-rights-to-dragon-ball-a18752#gs.k51vhm


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--Zero-
03/01/25 10:48:05 PM
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It was pretty bad overall. Coming from a huge DB fan.

Even if it was it's on separate continuity, it's still a bad anime with 2-3 good episodes only fill with padding.

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mehmeh1
03/01/25 11:11:40 PM
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Biofighter55 posted...
capsule corp Tokyo owns the rights to the anime, which is own by toriyamas former right hand man with his blessing

Shuiesha owns the rights to or to distribute the manga

so at the moment anime of the manga exclusive arcs came be made at the moment

https://animemojo.com/dragon-ball/dragon-ball-super/following-akira-toriyamas-passing-theres-reportedly- controversy-surrounding-the-rights-to-dragon-ball-a18752#gs.k51vhm
i mean before Toriyama's death, considering even by the time he passed it had been 6 years since Super's anime ended and they had even gotten to make 2 movies

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sabin017
03/01/25 11:47:24 PM
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I still don't like it wearing GT's skeleton (mostly the "turned to kids" thing) but the new characters, world building, etc.was all fine and never boring. The production values were thankfully high this time. The big bad did nothing for me and is probably the weakest part.

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IcyWind14
03/01/25 11:59:14 PM
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Biofighter55 posted...
debatable but unlikely it clashes a lot with super

especially with Goku saying he trained after buu to get ssj4 and can use it whenever he wants
As the more recent work and the one Toriyama was seemingly more closely involved with, Daima takes precedent over Super. So Daima is canon, the question is if Super still is or not.

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mehmeh1
03/02/25 12:35:23 AM
#35:


sabin017 posted...
I still don't like it wearing GT's skeleton (mostly the "turned to kids" thing) but the new characters, world building, etc.was all fine and never boring. The production values were thankfully high this time. The big bad did nothing for me and is probably the weakest part.
I wish Gomah wasn't the big bad. It seemed they were setting up for Arinsu and the Majins to take over or there being a big bad clash but then Gomah just put on the third eye and arinsu and the majins became defacto good guys

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--Zero-
03/02/25 1:48:52 AM
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IcyWind14 posted...
As the more recent work and the one Toriyama was seemingly more closely involved with, Daima takes precedent over Super. So Daima is canon, the question is if Super still is or not.

Theres no questioning if Super is canon lol. It has an anime series, movies, and a manga thats always been after DBZ. The latest manga chapter was released after a hiatus due to Toriyamas death.

As of right now, Daima is its own thing until its connected to Super.

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party_animal07
03/02/25 1:59:56 AM
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CastletonSnob1 posted...
This has to be it, right? After Toriyama's death, they're not making any more Dragon Ball shows.
They'll only stop making DragonBall because they legally can't, or people stop watching. DB is stupidly profitable.

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IcyWind14
03/02/25 5:21:01 AM
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--Zero- posted...
Theres no questioning if Super is canon lol. It has an anime series, movies, and a manga thats always been after DBZ.
None of that is what made Super canon. GT had all of that except a manga and Super's manga literally diverges from the anime on several major story events, so it actually harms the canonicity of Super. Like which Super is canon, the manga or anime? Both are different people adapting the same sets of plot outlines from Toriyama. What made Super canon was always Toriyama's involvement, which Daima has even more of.

--Zero- posted...
The latest manga chapter was released after a hiatus due to Toriyamas death.
And now it's right back to being on hiatus due to that being just a bonus chapter made purely to fill out the latest tankobon volume.

--Zero- posted...
As of right now, Daima is its own thing until its connected to Super.
As of right now, Daima has retconned Super into its own continuity like GT.

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SAlYAN
03/02/25 8:17:20 AM
#39:


Regardless, Super has to continue at some point.

I mean... they can't just leave off with Frieza still running around.And after the nonsense building up Black Frieza they at least have to tie up that loose end to bring us back to baseline.

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--Zero-
03/02/25 9:18:43 AM
#40:


IcyWind14 posted...
None of that is what made Super canon. GT had all of that except a manga and Super's manga literally diverges from the anime on several major story events, so it actually harms the canonicity of Super. Like which Super is canon, the manga or anime? Both are different people adapting the same sets of plot outlines from Toriyama. What made Super canon was always Toriyama's involvement, which Daima has even more of.

And now it's right back to being on hiatus due to that being just a bonus chapter made purely to fill out the latest tankobon volume.

As of right now, Daima has retconned Super into its own continuity like GT.


Theres no reason to break everything apart lol. I said enough to prove otherwise. I cant help you if youre refusing to listen or throw logic out the window to jump through hoops to disprove Super.

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012yArthur0
03/02/25 9:38:47 AM
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Unsuprised_Pika posted...
Nah. The IP is too popular for there to not be more attempts.

Look at how much FighterZ, Xenoverse 2 and Sparking Zero have sold. And Dragon Ball Super was very popular too.

They won't stop milking for a long time even if there may be a lull.
DB is more of a gold mine for games than anything else.

The franchise has a long history of making games and a lot of new ones are having a success.

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VeggetaX
03/02/25 10:07:52 AM
#42:


Wait what Super isn't canon either?

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Evolician
03/02/25 10:40:40 AM
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The only episode I didnt like was the one with the giant dog and hamsters. That was the only one where it truly felt like absolutely nothing happened and shouldve been skipped. And the episode right before it was such a good one too.

I dont mind Gomah being the final boss / there being no twist villain. Im kinda glad Degesu wasnt the twist villain. He was very We have Zamasu at home. and he TRULY contributed nothing. but if that was gonna be the case, they should have had Gomah being more active. He spends 90% of the show doing nothing.

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sabin017
03/02/25 3:10:52 PM
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Also this was the hardest shot of the show:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/517c049a.jpg
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ConfusedTorchic
03/02/25 3:19:50 PM
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they're all selectively canon.

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PG_Era
03/02/25 3:20:44 PM
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When is the dub coming to Netflix?

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IcyWind14
03/02/25 3:47:42 PM
#47:


--Zero- posted...
I said enough to prove otherwise
You literally said nothing to prove anything.

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Kami_no_Kami
03/02/25 4:45:46 PM
#48:


sabin017 posted...
Also this was the hardest shot of the show:
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AceMos
03/02/25 5:30:05 PM
#49:


Evolician posted...
The only episode I didnt like was the one with the giant dog and hamsters. That was the only one where it truly felt like absolutely nothing happened and shouldve been skipped. And the episode right before it was such a good one too.

I dont mind Gomah being the final boss / there being no twist villain. Im kinda glad Degesu wasnt the twist villain. He was very We have Zamasu at home. and he TRULY contributed nothing. but if that was gonna be the case, they should have had Gomah being more active. He spends 90% of the show doing nothing.

yea degesu would have been lame

which is why arinsu should have been the villain as she was the one actively doing stuff

instead she just gets sidelined and becomes a mom


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Nemu
03/02/25 5:39:17 PM
#50:


Pretty much all the original characters were wasted potential. Glorio's whole moment of realization was laughable without any actual context beyond a single line from Arinsu. Kind of hope they get someone to do a manga adaptation and give stuff the development it needed.
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