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creativerealms posted...

Honestly I keep comparing LA Avatar with LA One Piece. I feel both recreated the world as best they could and while One Piece made more changes because of how much more content it was adapting what it got right was the tone. The heart and soul of the original. Which is where Avatar missed the mark.

Didnt the writers for Avatar leave the live action adaption, while the One Piece still kept the director/showrunner that loves One Piece who kept in contact with Oda? Though I thought I read he was getting burnt out.

LightHawKnight posted...

Didnt the writers for Avatar leave the live action adaption, while the One Piece still kept the director/showrunner that loves One Piece who kept in contact with Oda? Though I thought I read he was getting burnt out.

Yep. Oda also visits the set. And yeah the original show runner left at the end of season two. Hopefully Netflix won't use that opportunity to strike.

LightHawKnight posted...

Nah thats not Sokka that we all love. He was an super insecure manchild, who was left behind to "defend" the village, I mean they did it to protect him as he was too young, but that damaged him mentally. He starts off with an inferiority complex and thinks women are beneath him and learns and grows out of it. Good character development shouldnt be tossed out.

I agree it was character development that was good for him. The only caveat I have to this is some vastly overstate on this idea of sexism being this huge part of his character.

Sokka was sexist at the very beginning of the series and it quickly ended with Suki which was like episode 2 or 3. Yet some act like sexism was his entire character for the remaining 55+ episodes.

asdf8562 posted...

I agree it was character development that was good for him. The only caveat I have to this is some vastly overstate on this idea of sexism being this huge part of his character.

Sokka was sexist at the very beginning of the series and it quickly ended with Suki which was like episode 2 or 3. Yet some act like sexism was his entire character for the remaining 55+ episodes.

Which makes it even stupider that they got rid of it. They didnt need to go the Velma, or at least the guessed reason why everyone is a fucking asshole route for an entire season for "character growth".

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asdf8562 posted...

I agree it was character development that was good for him. The only caveat I have to this is some vastly overstate on this idea of sexism being this huge part of his character.

Sokka was sexist at the very beginning of the series and it quickly ended with Suki which was like episode 2 or 3. Yet some act like sexism was his entire character for the remaining 55+ episodes.

What makes that facet of his personality pivotal is the very fact that he got over it so quickly. Typically a bigoted character takes a long time of grumbling resistance to get over it and grow as a person, assuming they ever do at all. The fact that Sokka sucked it up and humbled himself so quickly after being put in his place was the moment I perked up and said "hey, this here is a sharp, thoughtful character who might just be worth getting invested in."

asdf8562 posted...

I agree it was character development that was good for him. The only caveat I have to this is some vastly overstate on this idea of sexism being this huge part of his character.

Sokka was sexist at the very beginning of the series and it quickly ended with Suki which was like episode 2 or 3. Yet some act like sexism was his entire character for the remaining 55+ episodes.

People way exaggerate Sokka being sexist and how important it was. Honestly if promotion for the LA version didn't bring it up I doubt anyone would have noticed it was gone.

creativerealms posted...

People way exaggerate Sokka being sexist and how important it was. Honestly if promotion for the LA version didn't bring it up I doubt anyone would have noticed it was gone.

I think the issue isn't so much that Sokka wasn't a exist character throughout his time in the show, but he certainly was in the 1st season. Since they removed that aspect of his character and replaced it with nothing they essentially removed any reason Sokka would have to grow as a character. Instead he's just very flat and kind of uninteresting. And that's not a Sokka exclusive issue either; a lot of the main cast suffers from just being flat and uninteresting. Compared to the cartoon where the characters were animated and had depth to them, the characters in the live action version were just boring to view.

I watched a bit of season 1, and it was complete shit lol. This doesn't inspire any confidence for season 2

A_Good_Boy posted...

I think the issue isn't so much that Sokka wasn't a exist character throughout his time in the show, but he certainly was in the 1st season. Since they removed that aspect of his character and replaced it with nothing they essentially removed any reason Sokka would have to grow as a character. Instead he's just very flat and kind of uninteresting. And that's not a Sokka exclusive issue either; a lot of the main cast suffers from just being flat and uninteresting. Compared to the cartoon where the characters were animated and had depth to them, the characters in the live action version were just boring to view.

The problem is promotions told us the change to Sokka and people hyper fixated on it. Sokka grew because he realized how weak he was. How as a guard for an out of touch village he really couldn't keep up with trained fighters. That's more important than him being sexist for three episodes. He's a big fish on a small pond who needs to find a new purpose surrounded by people stronger and more skilled than he is.

The LA version's problem was everything was duller, less interesting as a whole. In it's attempt to up the drama it essentially removed any fun from the characters.

creativerealms posted...

The problem is promotions told us the change to Sokka and people hyper fixated on it. Sokka grew because he realized how weak he was. How as a guard for an out of touch village he really couldn't keep up with trained fighters. That's more important than him being sexist for three episodes. He's a big fish on a small pond who needs to find a new purpose surrounded by people stronger and more skilled than he is.

The LA version's problem was everything was duller, less interesting as a whole. In it's attempt to up the drama it essentially removed any fun from the characters.

It's not the most impactful change, true, but it was still at least something. Sokka overcoming his sexism was an opportunity to endear us to the character. When they removed that flaw they just left him all angry and brooding. That could have been 3 episodes where he was angry, brooding, and also sexist. We want more reasons to latch onto a character, not less.

creativerealms posted...

People way exaggerate Sokka being sexist and how important it was. Honestly if promotion for the LA version didn't bring it up I doubt anyone would have noticed it was gone.

Suki as a character was ruined by the changes to Sokka. People would have noticed even if they didn't say anything.

A_Good_Boy posted...

I think the issue isn't so much that Sokka wasn't a exist character throughout his time in the show, but he certainly was in the 1st season. Since they removed that aspect of his character and replaced it with nothing they essentially removed any reason Sokka would have to grow as a character. Instead he's just very flat and kind of uninteresting. And that's not a Sokka exclusive issue either; a lot of the main cast suffers from just being flat and uninteresting. Compared to the cartoon where the characters were animated and had depth to them, the characters in the live action version were just boring to view.

When you say, "the 1st season he was sexist" that exaggerated and extremely misleading. He was sexist literally 2 or 3 episodes. On top of that, he quickly corrected his sexist mindset dummy early. Like episode 2 or 3 into the entire series.

Its great he had the character development dummy early into the series. But some need to take a step back characterizing Sokka as if he was sexist the entire 1st season or even half the 1st season.

Yeah, the sexism thing is wildly, wildly overblown. And I'll be honest, his character arc where he learns he doesn't necessarily need to be a great warrior to defend his people is pretty interesting. NATLA has problems, I do not think Sokka is one of them. Aside from the Fire Nation characters, he was by far the best adapted character.

pegusus123456 posted...

Yeah, the sexism thing is wildly, wildly overblown. And I'll be honest, his character arc where he learns he doesn't necessarily need to be a great warrior to defend his people is pretty interesting. NATLA has problems, I do not think Sokka is one of them. Aside from the Fire Nation characters, he was by far the best adapted character.

yeah people vastly over blow sokkas sexism

it was a minor trait that was dropped after the 3rd episode