Poll of the Day > Media in which you sided with the villains?

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Joker over Batman
Solidus over everyone else in MGS2
Dracula over Alucard/Belmonts

Most media, honestly.

I'm 100% Team Palpatine.

Law Abiding Citizen

A lot of ppl sided with Sephiroth.

edit: killmonger
Black Panther villain that was Michael B Jordan.

Rufio in Hook

As a kid, Daniel Larusso in The Karate Kid.

spoiler in final fantasy tactics advance

nothing really comes to mind tbh.

dj1200 posted...

Rufio in Hook

how is rufio the villain? Hook is the villain.

Tom over Jerry, Scratchy over Itchy, Sylvester over Tweety.

i tend to side with cao cao in three kingdoms media, despite generally being depicted as the overall villain

I definitely sided with some of the villains in Yellowstone.

Seven

In dorohedoro, they're all varying degrees of terrible. (And hilarious.) It's hard to tell if any of them aren't the villains. Lol.

PMarth2002 posted...

nothing really comes to mind tbh.

how is rufio the villain? Hook is the villain.

ok, rufio wasn't the villain, but he was the antagonist for the first part of the movie.

Any media where the antagonist is someone who simply doing their job.

KJ_StErOiDs posted...

Tom over Jerry, Scratchy over Itchy, Sylvester over Tweety.

Whoa, Tom was the good guy, Jerry was the one starting shit

Infinity War

Keeping in mind that Ive spent my entire adult working life in customer service with no end in sight unfortunately

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The machines were almost unarguably the good guys (or at least the "better guys") in the Matrix films once the Animatrix spelled out the backstory.

I'm also a Galactic Empire fanboy for life. Not because they're morally right or anything, but because they're just way fuckin' cooler than those shrimpy-ass rebels.

Dracula2030 posted...

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Guess why?

Apparently Nade got suspended for it as well.

A bit excessive, but not entirely unexpected.

Any "villain" whose only conceivable crime is going against the hero. The hero is often the bigger douche in these scenarios.

KJ_StErOiDs posted...

Tom over Jerry, Scratchy over Itchy, Sylvester over Tweety.

Also these, and also Katnip from the Herman & Katnip cartoons. Katnip was clearly villainous, but he was so dumb that he'd probably fail to catch Herman even if he didn't retaliate at all, much less in needlessly brutal fashions (many of which ended with Katnip being outright dead).

Seems to be a trait of chase cartoons in general, really.

My second playthrough of Fallout 4.

The best thing was having legendary #### appear but I couldn't shoot them for their loot because they were technically on my side. If you are a Piper fan, I wouldn't recommend this route though.

Mr. Glitch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgaCCxwUml8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWdrlmvm1-Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISYzaQaERiM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMFtaj8F6Qo

captpackrat posted...

Mr. Glitch.

Square One? Fuck yeah.

is archie bunker a villain

Ferris Buellers Day Off

edit: Now that aim older, at least.

Cacciato posted...

Ferris Buellers Day Off

edit: Now that aim older, at least.

So does that mean you were rooting for Rooney or for Ferris?

Because Ferris is absolutely the villain of that movie.

Sid in Toy Story is framed as the "villain" but in real life he'd just be a creative kid building new toys out of cannibalized old ones.

Also media like Breaking Bad, you could technically be rooting for the "villain" no matter who it was depending on your perspective. Hank is framed as an antagonist even though he's a lawman doing the right thing. And Walt is engaging in objectively villainous behavior throughout the show, but he's written as the protagonist so the audience is meant to sympathize with him and root for his success.

Salrite posted...

Sid in Toy Story is framed as the "villain" but in real life he'd just be a creative kid building new toys out of cannibalized old ones.

Also media like Breaking Bad, you could technically be rooting for the "villain" no matter who it was depending on your perspective. Hank is framed as an antagonist even though he's a lawman doing the right thing. And Walt is engaging in objectively villainous behavior throughout the show, but he's written as the protagonist so the audience is meant to sympathize with him and root for his success.

I feel like from fairly early on in Breaking Bad, I was only rooting for Walt to be successful when he was helping Jesse.

The problem is, how much was he helping Jesse and how much of it was self preservation? That's not a leading question because I still believe this was ambiguous throughout the show. Maybe even a little of both.

Its definitely ambiguous. I think Walt believes that he cares for Jesse, but whether hes actually capable of such a thing Im less convinced about.

Jeeze did 15 say Griffith or something

Salrite posted...

The problem is, how much was he helping Jesse and how much of it was self preservation? That's not a leading question because I still believe this was ambiguous throughout the show. Maybe even a little of both.

I'd argue that he's never really caring for Jesse, he's just using Jesse. Keeping Jesse happy is just part of keeping Jesse productive and loyal.

It's not really until the end that he makes a selfless choice to help Jesse for reasons other than self-interest.

JoanOfArcade posted...

Jeeze did 15 say Griffith or something

It was WWII related. Do the math.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

I'd argue that he's never really caring for Jesse, he's just using Jesse. Keeping Jesse happy is just part of keeping Jesse productive and loyal.

It's not really until the end that he makes a selfless choice to help Jesse for reasons other than self-interest.

I really feel like it's always been a mixture of both. We all have this with people we say we "care" about. How much do we actually care for selfless reasons and how much history and baggage and self interest is involved in this feeling that we have? How much are we willing to sacrifice for someone else's interest over our own?

Salrite posted...

How much do we actually care for selfless reasons and how much history and baggage and self interest is involved in this feeling that we have? How much are we willing to sacrifice for someone else's interest over our own?

I mean, it depends on who you're talking about - friends, family, acquaintances, etc. I'm obviously more likely to prioritize my own self-interest and safety over that of people I only know casually, but conversely if my best friend called me at 3am and told me he needed help hiding a body I'd be in my truck with a shovel in the back in about 5 minutes.

But I'm pretty sure I've never pressured any friends or family into running a meth ring with me. So there's that.

Avon in The Wire

I guess Joel in The Last of Us ending

SilentSeph posted...

I guess Joel in The Last of Us ending

Joel did nothing wrong.



Even Neil Druckmann (for all of his other faults) has said in a couple interviews that Joel was right.

Pagan Min (Far Cry 4)
Joseph Seed (Far Cry 5)

I feel like the better question is have you ever sided with the antagonist. With Walt, his character is very villainous but he's also the protagonist so he's easier to support. And to the point of hank being the good guy doing the right thing... he's definitely heavily flawed and is hypocritical and egotistical quite often. Wouldn't say he's necessarily painted as a great guy throughout the show either

Jaws. He was just being a shark, man, wtf else was he supposed to do

OhhhJa posted...

And to the point of hank being the good guy doing the right thing... he's definitely heavily flawed and is hypocritical and egotistical quite often. Wouldn't say he's necessarily painted as a great guy throughout the show either

Egotistical, absolutely, at least in the beginning. Hypocritical? Maybe? I don't particularly remember anything specific but I think I remember him abusing his position for "perks", but nothing too serious. Mostly he was just really arrogant and kind of annoying from a certain perspective but nothing really lawbreaking or egregious. Then his personality changed drastically from PTSD at a point, but even then it wasn't really anything "morally wrong". It was just a bout of severe depression followed by an overwhelming focus on putting an end to a criminal.

Really, there weren't any "good" characters on the show. Everyone had their flaws, some more than others. But from a legal and moral perspective, I feel Hank was one of the least spotty ones.

There isnt much coming to mind.

Vayne somewhat in FF XII.

KJ_StErOiDs posted...

Law Abiding Citizen

SilentSeph posted...

Avon in The Wire

I guess Joel in The Last of Us ending

Its not just the ending. Theres plenty to suggest that hes a piece of shit before that.

Every passing week, sometimes days, Magneto looks like less of a villain. In most incarnations.

TheFalseDeity posted...

Vayne somewhat in FF XII.

If he didn't go all spoilers at the end he could have almost been a sympathetic primary antagonist

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I'll go with Game of Thrones - the peasantry has it too good and they deserve to be punished

I root for the mods on PotD

Lokarin posted...

If he didn't go all spoilers at the end he could have almost been a sympathetic primary antagonist

Yeah the Occuria needed to go and Arcadia was working the hardest to make it happen but the conquest part of it was just greed and power lust. The premise for them to have better motives and goals than the main party was there but gotta make em extremists or the party doesnt look so great.