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PowerOats
05/12/25 2:42:16 PM
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We are never getting dev cycles that short again
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NoxObscuras
05/12/25 2:45:36 PM
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We could get dev cycles that short if SE's development cycle wasn't like a runaway train. I'm looking at you FF7 Remake

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pegusus123456
05/12/25 3:03:48 PM
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Isn't the FF13 trilogy notoriously shit?

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Raiden2909
05/12/25 3:05:26 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Isn't the FF13 trilogy notoriously shit?
I wouldn't say shit, But they are flawed
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Foppe
05/12/25 3:09:29 PM
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Fable
05/12/25 3:10:46 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Isn't the FF13 trilogy notoriously shit?


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Holy_Cloud105
05/12/25 3:12:56 PM
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The FF13 trilogy is partly why Versus 13 never released and why KH3 took so long though.

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OrangeCrush980
05/12/25 3:14:53 PM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
The FF13 trilogy is partly why Versus 13 never released and why KH3 took so long though.
Versus 13 released in 2016. People just didn't like it.

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SilvosForever
05/12/25 3:18:07 PM
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I've never actually played 13-2 or 13-3 so I think it would be cool if they remastered these on modern system and maybe did a few QoL tweaks.

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JaiCSC
05/12/25 3:18:14 PM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
The FF13 trilogy is partly why Versus 13 never released

Versus became XV

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ModernPost
05/12/25 3:19:22 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Isn't the FF13 trilogy notoriously shit?
They're way better than people give them credit for.

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solosnake
05/12/25 3:20:21 PM
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13 trilogy, launch version of 14 and 15 were all god awful. Im surprised the company was able to survive that stretch

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BlueAnnihilator
05/12/25 3:21:32 PM
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solosnake posted...
13 trilogy, launch version of 14 and 15 were all god awful. Im surprised the company was able to survive that stretch
Doesn't matter if they're awful if they sell millions regardless
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DodogamaRayBrst
05/12/25 3:26:06 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Isn't the FF13 trilogy notoriously shit?
13-2 is weirdly good, but 13 and 13-3 are some of the shittiest games Square has ever made.
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Jupiter
05/12/25 3:27:27 PM
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OrangeCrush980 posted...
Versus 13 released in 2016. People just didn't like it.
FF15 is definitely different than what Versus 13 would have been.

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NoxObscuras
05/12/25 3:44:43 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Isn't the FF13 trilogy notoriously shit?
13 really isn't as bad as people make it out to be. And 13-2 is one of my all time favorite games. A really fantastic game overall. 13-3 was fun too, but drastically different from the first 2 games, so it can be kind of polarizing.

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Vandal-X
05/12/25 4:02:18 PM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
The FF13 trilogy is partly why Versus 13 never released and why KH3 took so long though.

I believe the decision to go back and salvage 14 is what led to that.

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Al--Mualim
05/12/25 4:53:34 PM
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Still waiting for a modern port with a QoL update

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Will_VIIII
05/12/25 4:55:28 PM
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13-2 & Lightning Returns should have been a single game. It's already basically a world of balance, then world of ruin theme between the two

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Foppe
05/12/25 10:57:36 PM
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13 wasn't really bad, the problem was that 95% of the game felt like a long tutorial and was a corridor that you couldn't return to.

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DodogamaRayBrst
05/12/25 11:45:26 PM
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13 was bad, actually. Because the entire focus of the game was the story, hence the tutorializing and hallway-izing of the gameplay, and the story was genuinely terrible and drawn out over maybe 20-30 hours longer than it had legs for.
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Son_Of_Spam
05/12/25 11:54:23 PM
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SilvosForever posted...
I've never actually played 13-2 or 13-3 so I think it would be cool if they remastered these on modern system and maybe did a few QoL tweaks.
While there won't much new in terms of QoL outside of faster load times, the series is practically remastered if you play it on an Xbox One/Series X.

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Jupiter
05/13/25 8:58:13 AM
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Meh, I enjoyed FF13 a lot. Even more than 13-2.

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KnightofShikari
05/13/25 9:05:36 AM
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Foppe posted...
13 wasn't really bad, the problem was that 95% of the game felt like a long tutorial and was a corridor that you couldn't return to.
"if you get lost, follow the lights" - he said walking down a singular corridor with no branching paths

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Son_Of_Spam
05/13/25 9:39:32 AM
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Most Final Fantasy games have been pretty linear. You're stuck going from a town to a dungeon to another town with nothing but an empty section of overworld in-between until you get an airship. I feel like 13's problem was it removed the illusion of non-linearity. The lack of towns was probably the biggest issue in the game.

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Will_VIIII
05/13/25 9:42:21 AM
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There were towns (I guess more like major cities) but stopping and taking time to do other stuff would have done against the game's narrative of being on the run because everyone knows your faces.

It worked for FF9 based on the setting, but not 13 and how technologically advanced the civilization was.

Granted, that could also have been a plot device to justify the linearity.

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Citrik
05/13/25 9:48:46 AM
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I enjoyed FFXIII for the most part, but XIII-2 was much better. I own LR but I still haven't played it yet lol.

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GhostFaceLeaks
05/13/25 9:49:24 AM
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The 13 trilogy is one of the games that single handily made me hate all modern games and made me lose hope on gaming.

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creativerealms
05/13/25 9:51:14 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Isn't the FF13 trilogy notoriously shit?
FF13 2 seems to have some fans.

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Will_VIIII
05/13/25 9:54:29 AM
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It's probably the best one of the 3

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DodogamaRayBrst
05/13/25 9:56:09 AM
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The problem isnt that 13 is linear. Its that its bad at linearity. The game has two components. Moving forward, and fighting. There are no pacebreakers apart from once or twice the story takes a break and plays cutscenes for a long while. The forst component, moving forward, is not engaging on its own merit and doesnt have the support required to make it so. And fighting is not differentiated enough from itself to engage for the over-long duration of the game. The com-rav-sen core of the combat gameplay is fixed from the moment you get access to jobs, with the healer occasionally standing in for sentinel, and saboteur and synergist only providing surface-level differentiation to ravager. And while I like the combat system in 13, a system that relies so much on automation in its combat should not be in a game that makes so little effort to engage the player outside of combat as well. I think 13s combat system would have been much more well-liked if it had been in FF12 or 15 instead, though I doubt it would have swayed my negative view of those games overall.
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PowerOats
05/13/25 10:55:24 AM
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Son_Of_Spam posted...
Most Final Fantasy games have been pretty linear. You're stuck going from a town to a dungeon to another town with nothing but an empty section of overworld in-between until you get an airship. I feel like 13's problem was it removed the illusion of non-linearity. The lack of towns was probably the biggest issue in the game.


True

They coulda spiced it up, but ultimately these games are super linear
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PowerOats
05/13/25 10:56:47 AM
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DodogamaRayBrst posted...
The problem isnt that 13 is linear. Its that its bad at linearity. The game has two components. Moving forward, and fighting. There are no pacebreakers apart from once or twice the story takes a break and plays cutscenes for a long while. The forst component, moving forward, is not engaging on its own merit and doesnt have the support required to make it so. And fighting is not differentiated enough from itself to engage for the over-long duration of the game. The com-rav-sen core of the combat gameplay is fixed from the moment you get access to jobs, with the healer occasionally standing in for sentinel, and saboteur and synergist only providing surface-level differentiation to ravager. And while I like the combat system in 13, a system that relies so much on automation in its combat should not be in a game that makes so little effort to engage the player outside of combat as well. I think 13s combat system would have been much more well-liked if it had been in FF12 or 15 instead, though I doubt it would have swayed my negative view of those games overall.


That's what mini games and stuff is for, but a lot of people didn't seem to like that, despite barely having it since FFX
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SSJGrimReaper
05/13/25 11:40:50 AM
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i remember the meltdowns on the playstation board over the series becoming multi platform

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Will_VIIII
05/13/25 11:42:24 AM
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That was a wild time

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Son_Of_Spam
05/13/25 12:07:18 PM
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Will_VIIII posted...
There were towns (I guess more like major cities) but stopping and taking time to do other stuff would have done against the game's narrative of being on the run because everyone knows your faces.

It worked for FF9 based on the setting, but not 13 and how technologically advanced the civilization was.

Granted, that could also have been a plot device to justify the linearity.
Yeah, narratively the lack of towns makes sense. Definitely hurt the gameplay though. And I say this as someone who loved the game.

13-2 fixed nearly all of Ff13's issues in my opinion. Less linear, actual towns to explore, mini-games, and the combat system opens up much quicker. They somehow made the story an even bigger convoluted mess though.

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DodogamaRayBrst
05/13/25 12:37:03 PM
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13 did not have towns. It had levels that used cities as backdrops.
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IMNOTRAGED
05/13/25 12:54:23 PM
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13-2 and Lightning Returns are two of the best FF games. 13 was kinda meh

Son_Of_Spam posted...
I feel like 13's problem was it removed the illusion of non-linearity.

Yeah. I replayed it somewhat recently and the first 60% of the game is literally a series of hallways with little effort to disguise that. I think my biggest issue on my first playthrough, though, was how the game just immediately bombards you with a bunch of lore speak with little context. All of the jargon left me clueless as to what was happening for half the game and I didn't realize until much later that they apparently expected people to read the data logs. The trilogy's lore is actually pretty interesting but they could've done a better job of introducing it.

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creativerealms
05/13/25 3:02:40 PM
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Son_Of_Spam posted...
Yeah, narratively the lack of towns makes sense. Definitely hurt the gameplay though. And I say this as someone who loved the game.

13-2 fixed nearly all of Ff13's issues in my opinion. Less linear, actual towns to explore, mini-games, and the combat system opens up much quicker. They somehow made the story an even bigger convoluted mess though.
Time travel almost always makes a mess of things.

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Goderator
05/13/25 3:32:03 PM
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lightning returns has the best ff battle system
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PowerOats
05/13/25 3:33:24 PM
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I want a current Gen trilogy remaster so bad. Loaded up with QoL all for 60 bucks
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DodogamaRayBrst
05/13/25 3:35:31 PM
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I wouldn't trust Square to include the DLCs in 13-2 and 13-3 for a remaster.
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SecretBase
05/13/25 3:46:11 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
Isn't the FF13 trilogy notoriously shit?

Yes but that's because of stuff like the story that wouldn't change with 16 years of dev time. All I can think of them doing with more time is making the games less of a hallway.

Will_VIIII posted...
That was a wild time

People were flipping way out when they found out there was gonna be a third game. >_>

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andri_g
05/13/25 11:44:18 PM
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SSJGrimReaper posted...
i remember the meltdowns on the playstation board over the series becoming multi platform
It was an unexpected announcement. Remember sudoku-guy?

Goderator posted...
lightning returns has the best ff battle system
I haven't played all FF games, but of the ones I have played LR's battle system is the most engaging.

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AceMos
05/14/25 12:17:35 AM
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SSJGrimReaper posted...
i remember the meltdowns on the playstation board over the series becoming multi platform

same thing happened when KH went multiplat

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