Current Events > Replayed Ace Attorney Trilogy for the 1st time in 17 years. Its still incredible

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Aa4 wasn't terribly well received cuz of the titular character iirc

Divinehero posted...

Aa4 wasn't terribly well received cuz of the titular character iirc

I just found it to be a bad game in general.

Apollo really didn't carry the story as well as Phoenix, I hated what they did with the *actual* Phoenix (turning him from a mildly-neurotic straight man into this weird stoner-mentor that was the complete opposite of his original characterization), all of the interesting recurring characters from the original trilogy (Maya, Pearl, Edgeworth, Gumshoe, etc.) were removed and replaced with far less interesting substitutes, the cases were all uninteresting, the arc villain's motivations are absolutely batshit bonkers, and the prosecutor is terrible as a villain because he's on your side half the time, meaning there's no satisfaction in wiping the floor with him and rubbing his face in it the way you got to with Edgeworth/Von Karma (either of them)/Coffee Fiend.

It was just a train wreck of a game.

darkknight109 posted...

I just found it to be a bad game in general.

Apollo really didn't carry the story as well as Phoenix, I hated what they did with the *actual* Phoenix (turning him from a mildly-neurotic straight man into this weird stoner-mentor that was the complete opposite of his original characterization), all of the interesting recurring characters from the original trilogy (Maya, Pearl, Edgeworth, Gumshoe, etc.) were removed and replaced with far less interesting substitutes, the cases were all uninteresting, the arc villain's motivations are absolutely batshit bonkers, and the prosecutor is terrible as a villain because he's on your side half the time, meaning there's no satisfaction in wiping the floor with him and rubbing his face in it the way you got to with Edgeworth/Von Karma (either of them)/Coffee Fiend.

It was just a train wreck of a game.

In addition to that...

I felt like Phoenix learned to stand on his own and have confidence in himself by like, 1-2 or 1-3, and Apollo ended the game like "Well, I still need my mentor and everyone around me to step in, but maybe I'll get there some day." It felt like it took a full game to get where Phoenix was by maybe mid/late 1-2 and made him feel very weak as a character.

Aside from 4-1 (which is really good), the cases are just a bit underwhelming. 4-2 is serviceable filler but nothing super special, 4-3 is overly obvious and just pretty bland, and IMO 4-4 suffers from literally showing the killer in the intro cutscene & having its final trial day basically boil down to using the bracelet and taking the actual evidence stuff out of the picture.

I respect the game trying to shift the tone and take a really bold step for the series, but I ultimately don't love the game. I think it missed the mark in several areas.

i mean personally i didn't hate AA 4 but it's arguably the weakest of the main series

dotsdfe posted...

In addition to that...

I felt like Phoenix learned to stand on his own and have confidence in himself by like, 1-2 or 1-3, and Apollo ended the game like "Well, I still need my mentor and everyone around me to step in, but maybe I'll get there some day." It felt like it took a full game to get where Phoenix was by maybe mid/late 1-2 and made him feel very weak as a character.

Aside from 4-1 (which is really good), the cases are just a bit underwhelming. 4-2 is serviceable filler but nothing super special, 4-3 is overly obvious and just pretty bland, and IMO 4-4 suffers from literally showing the killer in the intro cutscene & having its final trial day basically boil down to using the bracelet and taking the actual evidence stuff out of the picture.

I respect the game trying to shift the tone and take a really bold step for the series, but I ultimately don't love the game. I think it missed the mark in several areas.

God I was gonna go in hoping AA4 would be better than I remembered, but now I'm not so sure lol

NeonPhoenix posted...

God I was gonna go in hoping AA4 would be better than I remembered, but now I'm not so sure lol

Meh, I liked it fine enough except for Phoenixs characterization.

RePlayed the first two cases of apollo justice about a year ago and I was genuinely shocked how bad it was in case 2, even though I have always maintained its way worse than Turnabout Serenade. I think Klavier has like five objections the entire case. The rest of it is mostly Apollo arguing with the witnesses without him butting in.

[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

None of these are among the worst cases in the franchise.

These are the worst cases in the franchise

1-2
1-5
2-1
4-2
5-2
6-1
6-3
6-4
6-S
I1-3
GAA1-1
Whatever the final case of Vs is called

I literally did not care about Trucy at all until 6-2 lol. She was such a whatever companion to me.

That was the last case I played btw I stopped after that case and havent touched Spirit of Justice since >_>

DodogamaRayBrst posted...

None of these are among the worst cases in the franchise.

I haven't played any of the 3DS games, but I've played the entire series other than that and I can comfortably say that 4-4 and 2-3 are, indeed, awful cases.

AAI1-5 is alright, though. It goes on for too long, but is otherwise a solid case.

I havent played AAI-5 since like 2010 but I have memories of it taking like 20 hours to complete >_>

I also remember the villain being really fucking stupid and could've literally walked away from this impromptu debate in some dusty hallway and hopped on a plane and gotten away with it lol. Otherwise I forgot everything about it

I mean, half the culprits in AA history could have gotten away with their crimes if they weren't fucking nimrods, so that's not really all that surprising anymore...

1-2 and 1-5 were my favorites, ha ha. Goes to show, perhaps the series really isnt for me.

1-2 is good. 1-5 is long as fuck but I wouldnt say it's *bad*. It just drags a lot

1-2 is probably the most offensive case in the franchise in terms of handling of the premise of the series and the role of the player in it.

Phoenix was too stupid to turn a receipt around and read the actual receipt part of it, has to have be told to do so by a ghost and even then you don't win with that information, said ghost just blackmails the culprit into confessing.

I just played the HD trilogy a few months ago after not playing the games in over a decade and I had a blast yet again. Like you said, even knowing the culprits, there's so many other details and twists that I've forgotten and it was fun going through them again. For example, I was slightly stumped by the timestamped photo in 3-2 and how the culprit used to it to attempt to avoid the murder charge. 2-4 is my favorite case, followed by 1-4, 1-5, and 3-5. I like the long finale cases and 1-5 was right up my alley - it kept me hooked from start to finish. Plus it has Angel Starr and um...yeah

Before that, I played the Great Ace Attorney games. They are solid but it's definitely a slow burn - the first 2 cases were putting me to sleep, 3rd case was awesome, 4th was meh, 5th was decent. But the cases in the second game are like sequels to the cases in the first game and are super solid all around. The last case was good but the way it ended was underwhelming (similar to AA4).

After the trilogy, I played the Investigations duo. I played the first one years ago but this was my first time playing the second. I was pretty lukewarm with the 1st game outside of the 4th case, but I warmed up to the 2nd case. The 5th case definitely drags and drags, but I didn't think it was too bad this playthrough.

2nd game is up there with the OG trilogy as one of my favorites. The 2nd case was probably my least favorite overall but the rest were great and I was legitimately floored by the villain's identity in the final case. The soundtracks of both games have really grown on me as well.

Next up is the Apollo trilogy, I remember liking 6 a lot but only the 1st case of 4 and only the last 2 cases of 5 (until the villain reveal). But I'll get to this trilogy when I finish some other games I'm playing first

SilentSeph posted...

Plus it has Angel Starr and um...yeah

My man! >_>