Current Events > Kingmaker congressman Jim Clyburn endorses Andrew Cuomo for NYC mayor.

(+) Yeah! (+)

What's your theory on why the guy with tainted socialist branding is outperforming the non-former governor candidates in this race?

Voted early today in the primary. Voted Mamdani as #1 and Lander as #2.

I went in with a mission to do whatever is necessary to keep Andrew Cuomo out of office. Sex predators do not belong in government.

New York Democrats are trash, aside from AOC.

This country is messed up. Only in America, a rapist can get elected not once but multiple times.

kage_53 posted...

This country is messed up. Only in America, a rapist can get elected not once but multiple times.

It's on point for America to just take it up the ass. Though we do it with consent here.

chaos_knight posted...

New York Democrats are trash, aside from AOC.

Indeed. The Democratic party in NY is pretty garbage. It's an example of a real-life swamp which really does need to be drained. Problem is, the NY Republican party is even worse - they're full-on MAGA extremists and hold socially conservative positions like opposing abortion - so the Dems keep winning elections even though they suck. Lee Zeldin made huge gains and honestly if he flat-out just said that he supported the right to choose, he'd probably have won, but the NY Republican Party is stupid like that.

chaos_knight posted...

Intro2Logic posted...

What's your theory on why the guy with tainted socialist branding is outperforming the non-former governor candidates in this race?

Intro2Logic posted...

What's your theory on why the guy with tainted socialist branding is outperforming the non-former governor candidates in this race?

Ive answered this question several times over. Mamdani is broadly winning young voters and white college educated ones. He and Lander endorsed one another.

hes still probably losing because hes not winning over the voters broadly needed to win.

SecretBase posted...

Projection, the people who constantly lie about and misrepresent other peoples opinions to try to smear them (ex. accusing me of defending a failed state war criminal simply because I said it's not America's job to unleash gunfire on every shitty country) do not get to claim I'm "dishonest" just because I didn't post a topic about something trivial and irrelevant. (has Bernie Sanders ever been a kingmaker...?)

There is nothing remarkable about random politicians endorsing eachother. What is remarkable is a politician endorsing a sex pest who they previously called upon to step down from office.

You realize these two things are related right?

LightSnake posted...

You realize these two things are related right?

If you're implying that Clyburn just goes around revenge endorsing against whoever Bernie endorses that doesn't make him look any better. It's not like Bernie killed Clyburn's dog or anything, sinking his last presidential campaign should be enough.

SecretBase posted...

If you're implying that Clyburn just goes around revenge endorsing against whoever Bernie endorses that doesn't make him look any better. It's not like Bernie killed Clyburn's dog or anything, sinking his last presidential campaign should be enough.

national politicians endorsing in a mayors race is stupid and you cant complain only when its politicians you dislike.

eric adams is legit better than cuomo.

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We already know that 34 felonies isn't enough to stop people voting for Trump.

Let's not act like there's any real standard for the people we elect.

Tmaster148 posted...

We already know that 34 felonies isn't enough to stop people voting for Trump.

Let's not act like there's any real standard for the people we elect.

There are. And it isn't even set in stone that Cuomo will get elected.

kaiolino posted...

eric adams is legit better than cuomo.

he might even be less corrupt.

people forget Cuomos active conspiring to hold republicans in power in the state assembly

Why is Cuomo even in the fucking conversation when stepped down as governor over sexual harassment allegations?!?!

Because NYC politics are a freak show

CARRRNE_ASADA posted...

Why is Cuomo even in the fucking conversation when stepped down as governor over sexual harassment allegations?!?!

Because it's New York. That and Chicago, fuck both of those strongholds for who should carry the party.

chaos_knight posted...

Because it's New York. That and Chicago, fuck both of those strongholds for who should carry the party.

bro you are literally at WOt gushing over FlamingSchoolBus, a bigot of every stripe who cheered for an insurrection. After years of you gushing over trump. You deserve no say in any democratic business

kaiolino posted...

eric adams is legit better than cuomo.

Eh... Adams may be a better person in private, but as a leader he sold out to both a foreign country and a fascist. He invites extreme racists/sexists to his mansion, wants to give ICE offices in the city despite its sanctuary status, and is trying to throw retired seniors off of public medicare plans. Cuomo is actually bizarrely to the left of him in some regards, and if for no other reason is plain too egomaniacal to bow to political rivals like Trump.

Adams is probably better on housing than Cuomo but boy are neither of them any good at anything

Saying Adams or Cuomo is better than the other is like debating if AIDS or cancer is better.

LightSnake posted...

bro you are literally at WOt gushing over FlamingSchoolBus, a bigot of every stripe who cheered for an insurrection. After years of you gushing over trump. You deserve no say in any democratic business

Not to take away from the real subject, but WOT is still around?

Southernfatman posted...

Saying Adams or Cuomo is better than the other is like debating if AIDS or cancer is better.

Not to take away from the real subject, but WOT is still around?

its on life support but yeah.

https://juliushernandez.substack.com/p/jim-clyburn-endorsed-cuomo-the-internet

The moment Rep. Jim Clyburn, arguably the most influential Black Democrat in the country, endorsed Andrew Cuomo for mayor, the internet lit up with outrage. Activists, Twitter personalities, and progressive influencers rushed to condemn the endorsement. To them, it wasnt just political disagreement. It was betrayal.

But heres the thing. Most of them are never talking to the people who actually make up the Democratic base, and especially not the Black voters whove carried the party for decades.

Lets look at the facts. Cuomo is currently leading with over 50% of Black voters in New York City. In contrast, Zohran Mamdani, the progressive favorite of the far left, commands just 6% support among college-educated voters of color over 35. His support is concentrated among the overwhelmingly young, college-educated, and mostly white progressive base, not the communities he claims to center.

Clyburns endorsement didnt come out of nowhere. It reflects the same coalition that helped elect Joe Biden, one built on pragmatism, experience, and a focus on results. Its not about rejecting progressive ideas. Its about rejecting the tendency to speak over people who actually live the day-to-day realities of working-class Black and brown communities.

That matters. Theres a growing sense among longtime Democratic voters that their voices are being drowned out by a new kind of leftist orthodoxy. One that prioritizes ideology over results, social media clout over community trust, and optics over substance. When Clyburn speaks, hes not just endorsing a candidate. Hes giving voice to a frustration that a lot of Black voters feel being told what they should want by people who rarely ask.

The backlash to Clyburns endorsement is part of a larger problem. Its not just about disagreement with Black political leaders. Its the assumption that they are wrong because they arent radical enough, that theyve sold out, or that their approach lacks moral clarity. That kind of judgment isnt earned. Its based on a belief that purity of ideology matters more than lived experience or real-world outcomes.

This is what we talked about in the last piece. Theres a growing belief on the far left that they know whats best for communities they dont organize in, dont live in, and dont really listen to. Whether its white progressives or insulated socialists, the pattern is the same. Call yourself a champion of the working class, then dismiss the actual working class when they dont go along with your script.

And this isnt just about Clyburn. The backlash shows a refusal to deal with political reality. The idea that respected Black leaders like Clyburn are somehow out of touch or no longer relevant is offensive. It erases their experience, ignores the complexity of what different communities need, and replaces all of that with a vision shaped by people who dont do the work on the ground.

Clyburns endorsement is not about rejecting justice. Its about rejecting political theater. Hes backing someone who, despite flaws, has a real track record of getting things done. Cuomos past isnt spotless, but the lefts habit of pushing away the very communities they say they care about isnt either. You dont build a multiracial working-class coalition by silencing the people whove been organizing for decades.

The reaction to Clyburns move tells us more about online progressives than it does about Black voters. It shows how often posturing replaces listening. How outrage is used instead of organizing. How the loudest people in the room sometimes care more about winning arguments than building power.

If Democrats want to win in New York or anywhere else they need to stop talking over the people who built the party. We dont need to be lectured about justice by people who only started paying attention to inequality a few years ago. We need to be asked what matters, and actually listened to. That means hearing leaders like Clyburn even when you dont agree. It means trusting that Black voters are capable of making choices in our own interest.

Yes, this is about Cuomo and Clyburn. But its also about whether the left can be a real coalition or just an echo chamber. Whether theres space for complexity, or only room for people who already agree with you.

Its time to ask what solidarity really means. Because if you keep claiming to fight for communities while ignoring them when they speak, dont be shocked when they stop listening back.

LightSnake posted...

its on life support but yeah.

Dang, it seemed like it was on life support years and years ago. I used to post there a long time ago, but a lot of the crowd there got...well you know.

Humble_Novice posted...

https://juliushernandez.substack.com/p/jim-clyburn-endorsed-cuomo-the-internet

That was one of the stupidest things I've ever read

Southernfatman posted...

Dang, it seemed like it was on life support years and years ago. I used to post there a long time ago, but a lot of the crowd there got...well you know.

FSB came back when trump won because cowardice. Chaos Knight was all soak in their tears of anger, FSB!

LightSnake posted...

national politicians endorsing in a mayors race is stupid and you cant complain only when its politicians you dislike.

Bernie was born in NYC and lived there for 27 years, it's not like he has no connection to the city. >_>

SecretBase posted...

Bernie was born in NYC and lived there for 27 years, it's not like he has no connection to the city. >_>

oh stop moving the goalposts. This is a bad argument and you know it. He shouldnt have endorsed and you know that too. AOC had every right and reason. Bernie is a Vermont politician. Period

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Mayor of NYC is not more powerful than Governor of NY, thankfully...that said, the fact that he's anything other than persona non grata is disgraceful

SSj4Wingzero posted...

Mayor of NYC is not more powerful than Governor of NY, thankfully...that said, the fact that he's anything other than persona non grata is disgraceful

remmeber when Hochul refused to remove Adams?

LightSnake posted...

remmeber when Hochul refused to remove Adams?

The best defenses at the time for that were that she didn't want to trigger a special election Cuomo was best-positioned to win. Of course, by the time removing Adams wouldn't have triggered a special election the impetus was lost and quietly continued to do nothing.

It mirrors how Democrats deal with a lot of flareups. "Oh, nows not the right time for a shutdown, we'll focus on the next battle." "We're not in crisis now, but if Trump crosses this red line, then..." It might sound like pragmatic rhetoric but it's really just kicking the can down the road so it'll be someone else's responsibility.

LightSnake posted...

bro you are literally at WOt gushing over FlamingSchoolBus, a bigot of every stripe who cheered for an insurrection. After years of you gushing over trump. You deserve no say in any democratic business

We used to be friends but not gushing over him. Fuck off.

chaos_knight posted...

We used to be friends but not gushing over him. Fuck off.

your posts are public

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/17d539e3.png

I think we're going to have to accept that calling yourself a socialist is political poison in this country.

LightSnake posted...

"globalize the intifada is complex"

Honest question, what does this mean?

LightSnake posted...

FSB came back when trump won because cowardice. Chaos Knight was all soak in their tears of anger, FSB!

I guess that whole "Evil Republicans" thing wasn't tongue in cheek.

Jesus, how's Mamdani doing so terribly with black voters?

He is Netanyahu's lawyer right?

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

Jesus, how's Mamdani doing so terribly with black voters?

The black electorate tends to favor politicians with established track records over gambling on an upstart youngster.

SecretBase posted...

The black electorate tends to favor politicians with established track records over gambling on an upstart youngster.

"We'd rather take the guy we know is bad, rather than someone that might be bad"

LightSnake is not a fucking Zionist, what the hell.

Accolon posted...

"We'd rather take the guy we know is bad, rather than someone that might be bad"

They are peak pragmatic voters. They vote [correctly] reliably year in and out without much need to harass about getting out the vote. Their religious and political leaders take care of most of it.

As a group and as individuals theyve been dealing with white peoples bullshit for centuries and this quite literally doesnt move the needle.

Gtfo of here with that bullshit.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

LightSnake is not a fucking Zionist, what the hell.

Wait, who accused them of being one?

Humble_Novice posted...

Wait, who accused them of being one?

Was probably in the deleted posts

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

I think we're going to have to accept that calling yourself a socialist is political poison in this country.

Honest question, what does this mean?

Intifada means "struggle" and is taken as a "bring the struggle global" in a polite phrase.

"Globalize the Intifada" is used by some for that. The downide is "The Intifada" was likewise used by Hamas (IE: the second Intifada) for a series of widespread terrorist attacks that were largely on civilians.

Calls to globalize that are seen as threatening when "Intifada" has been used a lot for violence on Jews. Like people can't think Jews haven't noticed protests with leftists waving Hamas and Hezbollah flags, chanting "INTIFADA" and "Settlers Go Home." That they didn't notice delirious joy after October 7 or the reactions to the DC Shooting and the Boulder attack. Those aren't the only time that Jews, globally, have been the targets of violence intended to "globalize" the fight against Israel.

And groups like Hamas and Hezbollah have both threatened and called for such global attacks. So when your slogan is "Globalize the Intifada" Jews are going to hear that as a call to physical violence. So when Zohran says "it's complicated"....to a lot of Jews? No it isn't. And when he says that, it unequivocally harms him

Black "pragmatic" voters can be and often are wrong. White politicians can weaponize the language of realism, efficiency, experience, and being a known quantity and bamboozle people into accepting known garbage over less known non garbage.

There is no rule that says the devil you know is better than the one you don't. It's possible to have a non-devil and thinking it's pragmatic to keep voting for devils and that non-devils don't exist is how you keep getting devils.

It all amounts to entrenching conservatism in a lack of transformative change. I'm saying this all as a black person.

legendary_zell posted...

Black "pragmatic" voters can be and often are wrong. White politicians can weaponize the language of realism, efficiency, experience, and being a known quantity and bamboozle people into accepting known garbage over less known non garbage.

There is no rule that says the devil you know is better than the one you don't. It's possible to have a non-devil and thinking it's pragmatic to keep voting for devils and that non-devils don't exist is how you keep getting devils.

It all amounts to entrenching conservatism in a lack of transformative change. I'm saying this all as a black person.

It probably doesn't help Cuomo is spamming ads in Black neighborhoods

Humble_Novice posted...

Wait, who accused them of being one?

chaos_night

LightSnake posted...

Intifada means "struggle" and is taken as a "bring the struggle global" in a polite phrase.

"Globalize the Intifada" is used by some for that. The downide is "The Intifada" was likewise used by Hamas (IE: the second Intifada) for a series of widespread terrorist attacks that were largely on civilians.

Calls to globalize that are seen as threatening when "Intifada" has been used a lot for violence on Jews. Like people can't think Jews haven't noticed protests with leftists waving Hamas and Hezbollah flags, chanting "INTIFADA" and "Settlers Go Home." That they didn't notice delirious joy after October 7 or the reactions to the DC Shooting and the Boulder attack. Those aren't the only time that Jews, globally, have been the targets of violence intended to "globalize" the fight against Israel.

And groups like Hamas and Hezbollah have both threatened and called for such global attacks. So when your slogan is "Globalize the Intifada" Jews are going to hear that as a call to physical violence. So when Zohran says "it's complicated"....to a lot of Jews? No it isn't. And when he says that, it unequivocally harms him

Eesh.

Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...

And groups like Hamas and Hezbollah have both threatened and called for such global attacks. So when your slogan is "Globalize the Intifada" Jews are going to hear that as a call to physical violence. So when Zohran says "it's complicated"....to a lot of Jews? No it isn't. And when he says that, it unequivocally harms him

Eesh.
Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts.

Lmao, Chaos spent Trump's entire first team going "I hate Trump BUT...." and then he'd be all "Dear leader has won again. This is incredible. I can't believe how accomplished he is. Dems look hysterical" while cozying and cuddling up to the worst Trump supporters on the boards.

Not my fucking problem he forgot his posts here are public and people could actually see them as he fawns and gushes over someone who literally got his board shut down for cheering on the attack on the capital and attacks anyone who tries to call him out

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6a730d81.png

I'm expecting a "I hate Trump and war, but this is a flawless attack. An incredible victory. Alexander would be envious. He's proved himself yet again and the liberals look so foolish."

I'll give Chaos knight this. At least he wasn't involved in the worst of WOT when a longtime user (LarryDavid I think) had a girlfriend who was also a frequent poster there. It later came out he was a violent, abusive partner in all ways and when this came out....

Users of all stripes just started mocking her and supporting Larry even as she kept posting in clear and obvious distress. They kept treating it like a game where they had to take Larry's "side."