Current Events > PirateSoftware on stopkillinggames, it is Kony 2012

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LMAO

this guy is something

https://www.twitch.tv/piratesoftware/clip/FunnyBombasticMochaM4xHeh-ZPy5NkvwEmh5EmXJ

dont want to give him clicks what is he saying

AceMos posted...

dont want to give him clicks what is he saying

people piling on him cause of his takes about stop killing games is like how people bandwagoned against Kony in 2012 who he said was not in power at the time

Nepo ass baby, let him enjoy his 15 seconds of fame.

I hate dramaslop but there is something so absurd about a man's inability to go "Crap, I was wrong about that. I misunderstood. I'm still against it but I'm sorry I mislead people and I'm sorry I was needlessly rude and insulting to Ross. I'll be more careful next time."

No. Instead it's "The world is out to get me! People correcting me on Social Media is like Kony 2012!"

is this the new love to hate guy because the only time I hear about him is when other people complain about him

Goderator posted...

is this the new love to hate guy because the only time I hear about him is when other people complain about him

like Kony?

WingsOfGood posted...

like Kony?

yeah sure in the sense that I don't give a fuck about either of them

PirateSoftware has inadvertently been the best thing to happen to SKGs. He has gotten so much attention on it.

Compsognathus posted...

PirateSoftware has inadvertently been the best thing to happen to SKGs. He has gotten so much attention on it.

It's true.

this dude randomly showed up all over my feeds months ago, i watched part of one of his vods

he was an insufferable know it all holier than thou smug type of person, except he didn't know jack shit about anything

he was clearly looking up how to do stuff but trying to make it seem like he figured things out himself. i stopped watching and told youtube to never show me that idiot again

he was so shit he made asmondgold look good, and that's wild

Shrek posted...

he was so s*** he made asmondgold look good, and that's wild

Let's not go there. No one is as bad as that sentient piece of literal shit.

Goderator posted...

is this the new love to hate guy because the only time I hear about him is when other people complain about him

He started off well liked, as his main gimmick was talking about game coding and how working in the game industry works. He was pretty positive and had interesting stories from his time working at blizzard. Unfortunately, his own narcissism has caused his image to be re-examined. While nearly everyone of his bad takes could've been minor, his unwillingness to accept any responsibility for his own actions has really soured his reputation.

Goderator posted...

is this the new love to hate guy because the only time I hear about him is when other people complain about him

Yes he is the current "he said something wrong so the entire internet is calling it fair game to harass him" target

expect lots of armchair psychology speak and pathologizing to explain how this guy is one of today's Great Satans because he tries too hard to look cool on his stream or plays MMOs poorly

Kony 2012 was brilliant purely for exposing to the public how countries only intervene in other countries' crises if they benefit in terms of national interests.

Doe posted...

Yes he is the current "he said something wrong so the entire internet is calling it fair game to harass him" target

expect lots of armchair psychology speak and pathologizing to explain how this guy is one of today's Great Satans because he tries too hard to look cool on his stream or plays MMOs poorly

I mean you're not wrong but pirate is absolutley bringing a lot of this on himself by

1. Not just admitting he was wrong
2. Being arrogant and toxic and insulting to others

He started the bad behavior and then got uppity when the internet called him out on it.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I mean you're not wrong but pirate is absolutley bringing a lot of this on himself by

"Well yeah he's being targeted and discussed by a mob of millions of people, most of whom are 'informed' about him from reading 4chan text posts or watching a 'cringe compilation', but he's reacting pretty poorly to that so who's really to blame here?"

Don't kid yourself about the internet "calling him out for bad behavior", none of this is "instructive", it's just a typical internet hate machine episode.

Doe posted...

"Well yeah he's being targeted and discussed by a mob of millions of people, most of whom are 'informed' about him from reading 4chan text posts or watching a 'cringe compilation', but he's reacting pretty poorly to that so who's really to blame here?"

You're being disengenious as hell.

PirateSoftware said these things months before he was getting any backlash and had numerous oppotunities to apologize, correct himself. He not only flat out refused, he was toxic and insulting others.

You're acting like he didn't do anything until after the drama started and then he "reacted" badly. The drama started 10 months after Pirates original comments when Ross reluctantly responded because he had pretty much no choice.

The dude either outright lied or was incredibly mistaken about verifiable facts, derailed a consumer rights movement, repeatedly insulted others for no reason, was rude and condecending and for months refused to apologize or admit fault. Doubling down every step of the way.

He's "being targeted" because he painted a target on his ass and waved it in people's faces when they were trying to eat their dinner.

Don't kid yourself about the internet "calling him out for bad behavior", none of this is "instructive", it's just a typical internet hate machine episode.

Did you even see my post?

I literally said you're not wrong.

I just said the difference in this and the other 2 minute hates is that Pirate really did himself no favors every step of the way and at least something good looks like it's going to come out of this one.

Doe posted...

Don't kid yourself about the internet "calling him out for bad behavior", none of this is "instructive", it's just a typical internet hate machine episode.

Nah, he made content and lied about a movement meant to improve gaming for consumers. He put his neck out there believing the things he spouted were incontestable. When he was contested and revealed to be in the wrong, he refused to be an adult and say "I was mistaken". There were so many adult decisions he could've chose instead of doubling down.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/bb7062f7.jpg

I find it doubtful SKG will actually lead to anything substantial, but it's hilarious how he's basically being a corpo shill about it despite all his talk about supposedly hating the industry. The dude could have just made one comment about it and moved on, but he had to take his smarmy know-it-all persona to the max. It doesn't seem like a career ending controversy, but I imagine most of the momentum he had will go to waste.

Link_of_time posted...

Nah, he made content and lied about a movement meant to improve gaming for consumers. He put his neck out there believing the things he spouted were incontestable. When he was contested and revealed to be in the wrong, he refused to be an adult and say "I was mistaken". There were so many adult decisions he could've chose instead of doubling down.

None of this makes any comment on the fact this is not an "instructive" phenomenon. Like yeah, no shit this guy feels more animosity towards "SKG" now that a ton of 4channers and X.commers are coming to his stream chat to try to spam slurs at him over it. Arguing that he's not a "perfect victim" doesn't change what the behavior is, which is harassment.

Doe posted...

None of this makes any comment on the fact this is not an "instructive" phenomenon. Like yeah, no shit this guy feels more animosity towards "SKG" now that a ton of 4channers and X.commers are coming to his stream chat to try to spam slurs at him over it. Arguing that he's not a "perfect victim" doesn't change what the behavior is, which is harassment.

You continue to be disengenious as hell.

Pointing out a dude was lying and rude and making videos about him isn't harrasment. If you believe it is, then Pirate was the one who was harrasing Ross.

Also the amount of animosity towards SKG (dunno why you put that in quotes) hasn't risen. He had that 11 months ago. Infact he had it before the campaign was launched. He didn't like the movement in principle.

Your stance of "Internet two-minute hates are bad" is fair and I'm with you. I'm not a fan of drama slop either. But you're either purposefully or ignorantly describing what happened in ridiculously dishonest ways. You're downplaying what PirateSoftware did and exaggerating what the internet reaction has been.

You're in a topic about PirateSoftware comparing being corrected for lying on social media to Kony 2012 and going "4channers spamming slurs on twitch is bad!"

Nemu posted...

I find it doubtful SKG will actually lead to anything substantial,

Me neither but some things have given me hope.

EU have slapped down Apple once before, game devs have suddenly started annoucing end of life plans for games and the Video Games Europe (A Lobbying group funded by Blizard, EA, SEGA and others massive companies) are absolutely pissing themselves over SKG's success.

If they are worried, to me that's a sign for some optimism. The big game publishers are afraid that something could happen here.

You continue to be disengenious as hell.

This coming from your gimmick lol

Ad hominem.

No retort to any of the ironclad points.

You're really acting a lot like how pirate acts. Dunno if that's your intention.

Doe posted...

This coming from your gimmick lol

But he's right. It feel like you don't know what this is about and decided to jump in and go to bat for Pirate because he's the unpopular one.

I keep hearing "PirateSoftware is wrong" but never what he's wrong about. What's wrong about Stop Killing Games? I've been reading through these threads and I still don't understand. If Stop Killing Games is an initiative to stop timed service games, what's wrong about that? Did PirateSoftware start Stop Killing Games or something? What does he have to do with it?

Puglia77 posted...

I keep hearing "PirateSoftware is wrong" but never what he's wrong about. What's wrong about Stop Killing Games? I've been reading through these threads and I still don't understand. If Stop Killing Games is an initiative to stop timed service games, what's wrong about that? Did PirateSoftware start Stop Killing Games or something? What does he have to do with it?

Stop Killing games is a movement to make it so any always online game must have an offline option so when the servers are down players can still use this game.

Pirate Software is against this.

Puglia77 posted...

I keep hearing "PirateSoftware is wrong" but never what he's wrong about. What's wrong about Stop Killing Games? I've been reading through these threads and I still don't understand. If Stop Killing Games is an initiative to stop timed service games, what's wrong about that? Did PirateSoftware start Stop Killing Games or something? What does he have to do with it?

Watch the first 10 mins, the rest is other news
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtAvBriIn0I

Puglia77 posted...

I keep hearing "PirateSoftware is wrong" but never what he's wrong about. What's wrong about Stop Killing Games? I've been reading through these threads and I still don't understand. If Stop Killing Games is an initiative to stop timed service games, what's wrong about that? Did PirateSoftware start Stop Killing Games or something? What does he have to do with it?

This video from Ross (the guy spearheading the initiative) has everything you need to know about the situation. With chapters if you just want to skim to the parts you're confused about. Note that this video was made as a last-ditch attempt to get the goal met, and it's what ultimately triggered everything that's been going on for the past couple weeks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIfRLujXtUo

Also important to note that Ross has made it very clear that he did NOT want to start drama with Pirate Software, and he has said repeatedly that he doesn't want people harassing him over this.

havean776 posted...

Stop Killing games is a movement to make it so any always online game must have an offline option so when the servers are down players can still use this game.

Pirate Software is against this.

Surely more people than him are against it right? What makes him a target, or rather what is wrong about an opinion? Did he lie about something that Stop Killing Games was supposed to be about?

I'm sad LLSIF and LLSIF2 are gone because the servers were shut down since it was a timed service game. I can support the movement but I don't see why it's wrong to be against the movement.

Puglia77 posted...

I keep hearing "PirateSoftware is wrong" but never what he's wrong about. What's wrong about Stop Killing Games? I've been reading through these threads and I still don't understand. If Stop Killing Games is an initiative to stop timed service games, what's wrong about that? Did PirateSoftware start Stop Killing Games or something? What does he have to do with it?

Pirate has nothing to do with the movement and was opposed to it from it's inception when it was merely being discussed. When the Stop Killing Games initiative launched to get 1 million signatures across the EU in a year, it had cult support (mostly from an English speaking audience) but no real attention.

At the time Pirate was the largest figure who made content about it. Both on a livestream and on 2 edited videos. These videos massively misrepresented the movement (to an extent that's kinda hard to believe was accidental) and allegedly caused the signatures to dry up (Dunno how you can prove that tho)

He said things like the movement wanted to force publishers to supporting games and prop up servers forever and all MMO games would be forced into being made into single player and would also make Live Service games illegal. Which are directly contradicted in the same clips HE SHOWS on the same video where he says it.

He also complained the movement was too vague to explain how it would force publishers to make single player content.... Which is because it never said it wanted to do that.

He was also extremely rude and insulting to Ross Scott (the guy spearheading the initative who has done nothing wrong nad deserves no hate) for absolutely no reason.

When doing this, he did so extremely condecendingly and in a rude obnoxious way. Talking down to people. After the videos came out, he refused to talk to anyone on the issue and banned people in chat who questioned him about it.

It's exploded 10 months later when the petition wasn't even halfway and only had a few weeks to go. Ross basically went "I didn't want to say anything but since the petition is DOA anyway I may as well defend myself" and when he did that, people suddenly got eyes on the idiotic shit Pirate said.

When that happened Pirate doubled down, refused to admit fault and insulted people more. So the whole thing exploded into dramaslop.

Since then at every turn, Pirate has basically said the stupidest thing you could possibly say unless you wanted to wind people up.

It's sort of like Ozymandias in Watchmen, bringing the world together by giving everyone a common enemy.

I really do urge you to watch the video I posted in post #30, as it covers all the common questions. But the tl;dw as best as I'm willing to give it is:

-The movement is about game preservation. Games are NOT meant to be redesigned with single-player in mind. They just need to give players the means to create their own servers (like how you can still play DS and Wii games online)

-Pirate Software misrepresented what the initiative was about

-Due to how much of a following he has, his video talking about it pretty much single-handedly stopped it in its tracks. No other coverage of the initiative even came close to having as much reach as he did.

-Ross put out a video directly addressing Pirate Software's misconceptions about the movement without naming names, but it didn't help much

-10 months later, he put out that new video calling him out directly (but sticking to the facts and not mudslinging), which caught the attention of some bigger names in the community such as Moist Critical. Who in turn tried and failed to reach an understanding with Pirate Software, who continues to be an ass about it.

pokedude900 posted...

Also important to note that Ross has made it very clear that he did NOT want to start drama with Pirate Software, and he has said repeatedly that he doesn't want people harassing him over this.

I also want to point out as a guy who has followed Ross Scott's work since he was on Channel Awesome, he is absolutely NOT a drama guy or slop guy, or attention seeking guy.

He's weird but a super chill, nice, non confrontational guy who didn't want to spearhead anything. It's just no one else was doing it and he's massively passionate about consumer rights. I think a lot of people who have learned about Scott THROUGH the SKG drama are putting him in the same boat as guys like Asmagold or Charlie or H3H3 or any of those guys and he's really really not.

In fact Ross Scott has lost a ton of money doing this movement for the past few years instead of making his normal content. He's legit. Even if you disagree with the movement, Ross is a solid guy and his motives are good.

I'm not to too familiar with the subject but from what I gather:

SKG is about preserving online only games after they lose popularity by either turning them into offline games or patching the game to allow Peer 2 Peer online connections between players. As it is, game companies don't want to run servers when they are not profitable anymore so they choose to shut servers down thus killing their online only games. With no server, these games become unplayable and are basically dead.

Pirate Software thinks SKG will just make it so game companies won't want to make online games anymore period. Pirate Software wants online games to still be a thing. But SKG isn't about preventing online games from being made, it's about making it so when online games lose their popularity, instead of just shutting down the servers and killing the game, they should patch the game so it becomes either an offline game or a Peer 2 Peer online game instead. But game companies don't want to spend extra resources on patching a game for offline mode or they don't want to deal having their game be online (P2P for example) but no longer in their control.

Is that a decent summary?

TuxedoCyan posted...

I'm not to too familiar with the subject but from what I gather:

SKG is about preserving online only games after they lose popularity by either turning them into offline games or patching the game to allow Peer 2 Peer online connections between players. As it is, game companies don't want to run servers when they are not profitable anymore so they choose to shut servers down thus killing their online only games. With no server, these games become unplayable and are basically dead.

Pirate Software thinks SKG will just make it so game companies won't want to make online games anymore period. Pirate Software wants online games to still be a thing. But SKG isn't about preventing online games from being made, it's about making it so when online games lose their popularity, instead of just shutting down the servers and killing the game, they should patch the game so it becomes either an offline game or a Peer 2 Peer online game instead. But game companies don't want to spend extra resources on patching a game for offline mode or they don't want to deal having their game be online (P2P for example) but no longer in their control.

Is that a decent summary?

Pretty much. That's the gist of it.

What the hell is Kony 2012?
*web search*

Oh my God lmao.

How the hell is someone that incapable of admitting fault.

UnfairRepresent posted...

He's weird but a super chill, nice, non confrontational guy who didn't want to spearhead anything. It's just no one else was doing it and he's massively passionate about consumer rights. I think a lot of people who have learned about Scott THROUGH the SKG drama are putting him in the same boat as guys like Asmagold or Charlie or H3H3 or any of those guys and he's really really not.

I'd also vouch for Ross. 90% of his content is just a love letter to gaming, and a pretty high effort one at that. His machinima cartoons are genuinely really good, and Game Dungeon is one of the best "obscure game spotlight" shows on the platform. Dude just wants to make shit and talk about things he likes. I can't remember a single instance of him being toxic or drama-baiting.

TuxedoCyan posted...

Pirate Software thinks SKG will just make it so game companies won't want to make online games anymore period. Pirate Software wants online games to still be a thing.

So he's a shill with personal investment in something like this failing.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I hate dramaslop but there is something so absurd about a man's inability to go "Crap, I was wrong about that. I misunderstood. I'm still against it but I'm sorry I mislead people and I'm sorry I was needlessly rude and insulting to Ross. I'll be more careful next time."

No. Instead it's "The world is out to get me! People correcting me on Social Media is like Kony 2012!"

He's basically permanently stuck up his own ass, I've been saying it for years and am glad others are seeing it now.

If SKG forces games companies to take a new approach to how their online games are developed because their current model won't be feasible, that's fine.

Thinking for even a second that online games would just stop being made is a position literally so nutty that I refuse to believe it can held in good faith.

One scary thing is that some game developers, especially younger more aspiring ones, actually do listen to Pirate. However, the same is true for Ross.

I'm actually kinda afraid to talk about this with friends.

havean776 posted...

But he's right. It feel like you don't know what this is about and decided to jump in and go to bat for Pirate because he's the unpopular one.

not only is he the unpopular one here, he's also just flat out fucking stupidly wrong about it

RasterGraphic posted...

So he's a shill with personal investment in something like this failing.

I don't think so. By what I remember, he partially sympathized with piracy and that would be make a corpo shill froth at their mouths.

He just did some really stupid take and did everything in his power to not give up said take and getting flak, and it snowballed from here.

There's also WoW drama with it.

Basically, he is too arrogant to take an L and it may spiral him into lolcow status.

012yArthur0 posted...

I don't think so. By what I remember, he partially sympathized with piracy and that would be make a corpo shill froth at their mouths.

He just did some really stupid take and did everything in his power to not give up said take and getting flak, and it snowballed from here.

There's also WoW drama with it.

Basically, he is too arrogant to take an L and it may spiral him into lolcow status.

No, there does seem to be some personal investment in this since he was also involved in a free to play live services game

and really with Pirate Software it boils down to the man being unable to accept any fault in anything he does and refusal to admit he made a mistake, just like with the wow drama that happened he doesn't want to acknowledge any fault and lashes at anyone who says otherwise

From the outset, SKG was stated to be not retroactive, then Pirate deliberately misrepresented it by saying it would rove companies to keep them online forever. Fuck him.

He is also weirdly pearl clutching about legislators. Wont someone think of the poor legislators?!? (Not a direct quote, but thats the exact sentiment).

PraetorXyn posted...

He is also weirdly pearl clutching about legislators. Wont someone think of the poor legislators?!? (Not a direct quote, but thats the exact sentiment).

Which is super sus because because he has talked so much shit about legislators and government in other contexts but when it came to SKG he's suddenly super sensitive about them.

BTW if anyone wants to see someone mature with Pirate's perspective have a reasonable conversation with Ross. Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNzVTOYvRio

This so easily could have been Pirate and avoided all the drama, it's crazy.