Current Events > Xenosaga is still the GOAT as far as the Xeno series goes ***spoilers***

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some cool ideas but overall ridiculously bloated, poorly executed, and hard to take seriously

like a lot of jrpgs/anime but this one was pretty egregious

pretty sure god himself made sure to strike down the initial idea of it being like 6 or 7 episodes, fuck, can you imagine giving them that much room to pad it out

The optimal way to play Xenosaga is to play episode 1 and then strop and imagine the rest because it will be better than what we actually got.

if i sound harsh ITT it's only because again i do recognize the series had immense potential and some great ideas

it's just...the same maniac energy that leads to jrpg/anime stories having such cool premises also seems to lead to executing those stories very poorly when all's said and done and xenosaga felt like that on steroids

a synopsis of the story sounds cool as fuck

being 23 minutes into a 40 minute cutscene of characters taking forever to get to the point and repeating what everyone else said in the form of a question is....not

It seems like they might be going that direction, since the ending of Future Redeemed has ties to Xenosaga and X

i love the entire trillogy

xenosaga episode 3 is just beautiful i just love KOS-MOSs entire arc across the 3 games

I was super hyped for the idea of that little blue light being KOS-MOS, but I read it's more likely something related to X, which disappointed me immensely.

I was super hyped for the idea of that little blue light being KOS-MOS, but I read it's more likely something related to X, which disappointed me immensely.

The idea of a space opera is pretty cool to me. Definitely would hope to see a Xenoblade X sequel being essentially a planet-hopping space adventure, since Takahashi said originally it was supposed to be a spiritual successor to Xenosaga anyway.

Xenoblade chronicles >>>> Xenosaga

i enjoyed chronicles 1 well enough untill shulk said "homs dont kill homs" shulk became one of my most hated protagonists ever after he said that

One thing that kinda bugs me, even though I like Shulk, is that Egil is compared in many ways to Shulk but it's like...Egil has actually lost loved ones? Shulk didn't. How can he possibly be the perfect person to understand where Egil is coming from then?

In comparison I really like the main cast of 3. Every character is equally as important as each other and pretty much get equal screen time (Noah and Mio a little bit moreso).

Did the math some years ago. Xenosaga ep 1 has literally 8 hours of cutscenes in a game that takes like 16 hours to play thru. Half the game is cutscenes and that alone keeps it from the top spot. If I wanted to watch anime I wouldn't have fired up my fucking PS2

Well the original idea would have basically had 3 different stories at 2 episodes a piece, each taking place in a different time frame if I remember right. But that vision went out the window when episode 1 released unfinished.

• Arc 1a - Humanity discovers the Zohar in the 21st century and it causes havoc.
• Arc 1b - Humanity is in space and fights over the Zohar.
• Arc 1c - Humanity faces an existential threat.
• Arc 2a - The Zohar arrives on a primitive planet and causes havoc.
• Arc 2b - The inhabitants of that planet stand up to that havoc.
• Arc 3 - Humanity fights against a new existential threat.

• Episode 1 - Arc 1
• Episodes 2-4 - Arc 2a
• Episode 5 (aka Xenogears the released game) - Arc 2b
• Episode 6 - Arc 3

• Episode 1 - Arc 1a
• Episode 2 - Arcs 1b and 1c
• Episodes 3-4 - Arc 2
• Episodes 5-6 - Arc 3

• Episode 1 - Arc 1b
• Episode 2 - Arc 1c
• Episodes 3-4 - Arc 2
• Episodes 5-6 - Arc 3

• Episodes 1-2 - Arc 1b
• Episodes 3-4 - Arc 1c

• Episodes 1-2 - Arc 1b
• Episode 3 - Arc 1c

This. From my understanding, the whole 6 episodes plan went through a bunch of different iterations. The main story arcs were meant to be:
* Arc 1a - Humanity discovers the Zohar in the 21st century and it causes havoc.
* Arc 1b - Humanity is in space and fights over the Zohar.
* Arc 1c - Humanity faces an existential threat.
* Arc 2a - The Zohar arrives on a primitive planet and causes havoc.
* Arc 2b - The inhabitants of that planet stand up to that havoc.
* Arc 3 - Humanity fights against a new existential threat.
Xenogears's 6 episodes would've been.
* Episode 1 - Arc 1
* Episodes 2-4 - Arc 2a
* Episode 5 (aka Xenogears the released game) - Arc 2b
* Episode 6 - Arc 3
The initial pitch for Xenosaga was:
* Episode 1 - Arc 1a
* Episode 2 - Arcs 1b and 1c
* Episodes 3-4 - Arc 2
* Episodes 5-6 - Arc 3
Arc 1a got quickly scrapped to make it:
* Episode 1 - Arc 1b
* Episode 2 - Arc 1c
* Episodes 3-4 - Arc 2
* Episodes 5-6 - Arc 3
Then when Episode 1 was taking too long, they gave up on having multiple main arcs and split Episodes 1-2 into 2 games each:
* Episodes 1-2 - Arc 1b
* Episodes 3-4 - Arc 1c
Then they just wanted to get it over with and it turned into what we finally got for Xenosaga:
* Episodes 1-2 - Arc 1b
* Episode 3 - Arc 1c

Sena :(

Yes it was pretty fucking messy, but the voice acting was great, the music captured the feel of each game perfectly (especially 1 and 3), the story was gripping right from the start, and I find the whole space aesthetic to be way better than something like the Bionis; it did have planets, but there was a lot of the story that took place in space. It felt super futuristic. Also, the drama was nailed *perfectly* in Xenosaga 3. I absolutely love the Kevin twist and everything about it that happens after, for example. It helps that it had buildup since the very first game. Still one of my favorite twists of all time, because it was one thing in the series that I always felt was done exceptionally well.

And the villains in Xenosaga are way better than the villains in Xenogears or Xenoblade.

Why tho?

Did the math some years ago. Xenosaga ep 1 has literally 8 hours of cutscenes in a game that takes like 16 hours to play thru. Half the game is cutscenes and that alone keeps it from the top spot. If I wanted to watch anime I wouldn't have fired up my fucking PS2

no work of fiction has way better villains than Xenogears

because it was selfish

xenoblade 1 spoilers

he dont want to kill mumkar fine thats his choice but stopping dunban from doing it after that was just selfish of him forcing his own moral purity on others

and then the story just kills mumkar off on its own and thus shulks selfish actions never come into play here

not commenting on the opinion expressed, but i literally lol'd when i read the username after reading the post

because it was selfish

xenoblade 1 spoilers

he dont want to kill mumkar fine thats his choice but stopping dunban from doing it after that was just selfish of him forcing his own moral purity on others

and then the story just kills mumkar off on its own and thus shulks selfish actions never come into play here

I do think it was lazy writing to just kill off Mumkar but I honestly don't see how Shulk trying to stop Dunban from killing him is bad, it would be a very weird Nintendo game if he just let Dunban kill him, and as Prism said revenge killing is pretty much always shown in a bad light. Like Shulk's whole role in the story is trying to end the constant war and killing in the world, the hero of the story saying we shouldn't kill when we don't have to seems pretty normal.

nintendo has games where protagonists kill fire emblem characters kill all the time