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Board 8 > When given a choice to be good or bad in a game, which do you choose?

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LiquidOshawott
07/16/25 6:24:08 PM
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Curious how people play these kinds, I generally go for good

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FFDragon
07/16/25 6:25:56 PM
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Everyone is the good guy in their own story

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KCF0107
07/16/25 6:26:12 PM
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At first when I looked at the topic title, I thought you meant level of play and was curious why that was something you were asking.

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skullbone
07/16/25 6:26:18 PM
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Bad is usually so poorly written and often at odds with the actual story that I normally choose good.

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junk_funk
07/16/25 6:27:05 PM
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Seriously, bad never gets the good perks or the good story.

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Leonhart4
07/16/25 6:29:36 PM
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Good guy forever

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CassandraCain
07/16/25 7:19:38 PM
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junk_funk posted...
Seriously, bad never gets the good perks or the good story.

KotOR had some good incentive to go dark side at least, better Force powers.

I used to be Renegade for life, but nowadays I can no longer stand being mean to virtual people so I've switched to Paragon

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Lopen
07/16/25 7:20:58 PM
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Wow first bad vote! 29 votes in too!

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kateee
07/16/25 7:29:22 PM
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bad to the bone baybeee
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Kotetsu534
07/16/25 7:34:01 PM
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Almost always good, unless the character I'm playing would canonically be bad.

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Snake5555555555
07/16/25 7:41:59 PM
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Bad to everyone but my friends

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Pirateking2000
07/16/25 8:25:10 PM
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Mainly depends on the situation and circumstances though this generally leans toward good for me. However, sometimes the option that is labeled or presented as good is stupid or bad option fits/feels better to me. Plus y'know renegade options in Mass Effect for example where a lot of those you just gotta do regardless lol

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KamikazePotato
07/16/25 8:28:33 PM
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Most of the time, being bad doesn't feel good.

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red13n
07/16/25 8:34:28 PM
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None of these games manage to make being bad even a little bit fun.

So there isn't a real choice.

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Ifrit
07/16/25 8:37:44 PM
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I can't bring myself to play as bad in most games. Can't even steal in Skyrim lol

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Lopen
07/16/25 9:08:05 PM
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My favorite evil game is actually Dragon Age Origins. I just think a lot of the evil dialogue options capture chaotic evil insanity really well. Renegade Shepard I feel doesn't even really count as evil he's more of a dick than evil.

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Pirateking2000
07/16/25 9:09:10 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
In what universe would Shep allow the genophage?

In one where Wreav is in charge and Eve is dead.

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KamikazePotato
07/16/25 9:10:45 PM
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Games that do Bad/Evil choices well:

Undertale (best-in-class)
Dragon Age Origins
Planescape Torment
Baldur's Gate 3
Disco Elysium (kinda)

But even then I don't think I've ever done a full playthrough of primarily evil choices.

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skulltrumpets
07/16/25 9:10:56 PM
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skullbone posted...
Bad is usually so poorly written and often at odds with the actual story that I normally choose good.

This so much. Games have some good bad choices (Mass Effect and Dragon Age comes to mind), but trying to be as bad as possible 100% instead of just picking the occasional Renegade option is silly.

Undertale and Deltarune are the only examples I can think of at the top of my head where bad routes are interesting writing wise ...... But I'm still too weenie to do them haha
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Lopen
07/16/25 9:24:25 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
But even then I don't think I've ever done a full playthrough of primarily evil choices.

To be fair I don't ever go straight evil. I tend to roleplay and have an "evil" character in my head that will not have qualms with doing bad things to achieve their goals but their goal isn't "heh heh I'm going to be evil!" while twirling their mustache. I think quality evil characters shouldn't just be indiscriminately evil it should suit their goals and create a consistent character image-- it's frankly just easier to be 'good' in many situations and even an evil character would choose good choices in those cases-- not out of altruism but just out of self-interest.

Like in Dragon Age Origins I did things like murder the corrupt merchant early game and it has amazing dialogue, but I didn't just ally with Loghain or whatever just because he was the bad guy. I executed him. Which I guess in some ways is more evil than the alternative of sparing him but I dunno-- just saying there were a lot of evil options I didn't pick even if I picked more than not..

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FFDragon
07/16/25 9:26:07 PM
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if you want a fun and lore rich evil run

succumb Durge in BG3 is where it's at

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Lopen
07/16/25 9:28:13 PM
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I am certain I'd love BG3's but I'm very slowly going through a multiplayer run where we are not generally being evil before I can try it. Gotta experience the first time with my friends.

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skulltrumpets
07/16/25 9:36:29 PM
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Lopen posted...
To be fair I don't ever go straight evil. I tend to roleplay and have an "evil" character in my head that will not have qualms with doing bad things to achieve their goals but their goal isn't "heh heh I'm going to be evil!" while twirling their mustache. I think quality evil characters shouldn't just be indiscriminately evil it should suit their goals and create a consistent character image-- it's frankly just easier to be 'good' in many situations and even an evil character would choose good choices in those cases-- not out of altruism but just out of self-interest.

Like in Dragon Age Origins I did things like murder the corrupt merchant early game and it has amazing dialogue, but I didn't just ally with Loghain or whatever just because he was the bad guy. I executed him. Which I guess in some ways is more evil than the alternative of sparing him but I dunno-- just saying there were a lot of evil options I didn't pick even if I picked more than not..
Interesting DAO example here as this is one of the most morally ambiguous choices one could make out of all the major ones lmao
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skulltrumpets
07/16/25 9:38:05 PM
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I will say this is a bit closer to my approach sometimes, but I do maintain that there's some really dumb moustache twirlingly bad choices that breaks immersion haha
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Thorn
07/16/25 9:41:43 PM
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IIRC the most evil feeling way to go about that one is to do something like:

Secure Anora's support against Loghain and propose she and Alistair marry to resolve the Landsmeet to keep her happy since she'd still be ruling. Then, once she's done discrediting him, about-face and call for Loghain's execution and have Alistair do it to completely tank the arranged marriage because she refuses to marry her father's killer, then propose to the Landsmeet that *you* will marry Alistair and rule and sentence her to imprisonment (I don't think you can order *her* execution on this path). Pretty sure you can pull that sequence off.

I know as a Male Noble you can arrange your own marriage to Anora and still get Loghain killed if you assign it to Alistair. She'll call things off with you if *you* do it, but not if it's Alistair.

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LeonhartFour
07/16/25 9:43:37 PM
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I've done a straight Renegade playthrough in Mass Effect as Shepard just to see what it was like.

I also did a "neutral" run, which was generally not very interesting since you get locked out of a lot of the best stuff!

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Lopen
07/16/25 9:46:42 PM
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skulltrumpets posted...
Interesting DAO example here as this is one of the most morally ambiguous choices one could make out of all the major ones lmao

Yeah I think it just sprung to mind because it's the only reason my whole party wasn't all the evil options. But you can see as I elaborate on it I'm not fully convinced I actually made the good choice there lol.

But there were definitely good choices made it was just 15 years ago I dont recall too well.

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BlueCrystalTear
07/17/25 12:58:47 AM
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Almost always good. There are rare instances where the "bad" choice is what I go for first - usually when the "good" option given sounds so boring. There are other times I've picked the "bad" option because it's my third time through the game and I wanna see where it takes me... but I don't have that kind of time for gaming anymore.

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KamikazePotato
07/17/25 3:37:53 PM
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Put me in the 'Mass Effect doesn't do Bad choices well' camp. Renegade is supposed to be Shepard making the tough choices no one else can, but it usually just oscillates between Being A Dick For No Reason and Committing War Crimes For No Reason.

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Maniac64
07/17/25 3:45:43 PM
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I actually like playing some level of neutral. I hate when games punish you for that.

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SHINE_GET_64
07/17/25 3:51:40 PM
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I choose to pull an Ed Bellis in Super Mario Bros

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totamech
07/17/25 4:01:00 PM
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skullbone posted...
Bad is usually so poorly written and often at odds with the actual story that I normally choose good.

Agree with this 100%

The Fable series comes to mind as games where its actually fun to make bad choices

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MacArrowny
07/17/25 4:05:30 PM
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I used to go evil a lot, but not as much anymore.

I found it pretty delightful in the KotOR games though.

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foolm0r0n
07/17/25 4:19:05 PM
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I think they found over 90% did paragon in mass effect

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KamikazePotato
07/17/25 5:53:18 PM
#36:


foolm0r0n posted...
I think they found over 90% did paragon in mass effect
Yup. Most people chose Male Soldier for their Shepard too. Fandom discourse rarely matches reality.

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Lopen
07/17/25 6:00:40 PM
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I did femshep with basically the standard look as paragon but first playthrough was renegade male with a fully custom look.

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azuarc
07/17/25 7:20:53 PM
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foolm0r0n posted...
I think they found over 90% did paragon in mass effect

Interesting, considering I've done three different femsheps and never played male. But I tend to do this in other games, too.

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Leonhart4
07/17/25 7:34:17 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d216e1e5.jpg

These were the stats for the original ME3

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Leonhart4
07/17/25 7:34:56 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/078c51e0.jpg

These are Legendary Edition stats, so they've changed somewhat over the years

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Leonhart4
07/17/25 7:35:59 PM
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Oh right, Mass Effect series spoilers for both of those charts, so I wouldn't look too closely if you haven't played them yet!

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Underleveled
07/17/25 7:48:39 PM
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Kotetsu534 posted...
Almost always good, unless the character I'm playing would canonically be bad.


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KingButz
07/17/25 8:24:38 PM
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If I think I might play a game more than once, I do bad first. If I don't, I'll probably be good.

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HanOfTheNekos
07/18/25 8:17:37 AM
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When Kotor was new, my brother played dark side so I played light side.

Ever since then, I go good all the time unless I specifically am aiming to go bad - but I basically never do.

I just like being heroic?

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kevwaffles
07/18/25 11:13:48 AM
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I feel like, even when the evil route has good story (KOTOR), games still almost universally do a bad job convincing you there is a logical reason to blow up a town or kick a puppy other than to see what happen.

That's one thing that's cool about BG3. They sell you on the evil. (At least for Durge.)

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MacArrowny
07/18/25 11:15:35 AM
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I mean, the silliness of it is what makes being evil fun in some of these games. It's entertaining to be a massive dick.

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kevwaffles
07/18/25 12:34:40 PM
#47:


MacArrowny posted...
I mean, the silliness of it is what makes being evil fun in some of these games. It's entertaining to be a massive dick.

I mean I see your point, but I feel like that itch gets better scratched in ways that have little to nothing to do with the actual moral choices a game presents me.

Going on a rampage for no reason in (an older) GTA? Silly fun.

Harvesting Little Sisters because it was suggested? Not really silly or fun.

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GenesisSaga
07/18/25 12:43:35 PM
#48:


Chaotic neutral, baby! I live to serve... myself and only myself!

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hockeydude15
07/18/25 10:25:56 PM
#49:


skullbone posted...
Bad is usually so poorly written and often at odds with the actual story that I normally choose good.
This. Pretty much always the "bad" is either just the same story but you are kind of a dick or it doesn't make any sense narratively but is kinda forced in.

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XIII_Rocks
07/18/25 11:14:17 PM
#50:


KamikazePotato posted...
Put me in the 'Mass Effect doesn't do Bad choices well' camp. Renegade is supposed to be Shepard making the tough choices no one else can, but it usually just oscillates between Being A Dick For No Reason and Committing War Crimes For No Reason.

And "Being An Idiot For No Reason"

Like some renegade responses are so forward and thoughtless that the other character is like "uh no actually" almost immediately.

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