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Dio 07/27/25 12:13:58 PM #1: |
https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/democratic-party-poll-voter-confidence-july-2025-9db38021 I'd say we might be fucked. --- Holy Diver. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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myusernameislame 07/27/25 12:17:22 PM #2: |
"But we keep doing what the polls and focus groups say!" -party leadership. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ItsNotA2Mer 07/27/25 12:19:05 PM #3: |
Ugh. --- It's not the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in. (He/Him). ... Copied to Clipboard!
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El_Dustino 07/27/25 12:22:23 PM #5: |
They do be sucking --- The two most beautiful words in any language: I forgive. AC:NL Dream Address: 5700-3355-4304 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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wanderingshade 07/27/25 12:24:41 PM #6: |
Anyone has any problems with politics it always goes to dumping on Democrats. I mean it doesn't help either that Dems are kinda weird low energy, fuddy-duddy, Peloton bike riding private school dorks either. --- "You're made of spare parts, aren't ya, bud?" ... Copied to Clipboard!
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havean776 07/27/25 12:25:30 PM #7: |
Not surprised. They need to learn how to play social media. --- "I will either find a way, or make one." Hannibal Barca ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 07/27/25 12:29:34 PM #8: |
I don't know about you, but it sounds to me like the Democrats should stay the course and change nothing. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cartoon_Quoter 07/27/25 12:30:59 PM #9: |
Garioshi posted... I don't know about you, but it sounds to me like the Democrats should stay the course and change nothing. Nonsense. Clearly the leadership need to pander to the right even harder. --- I apologize for nothing! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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--Zero- 07/27/25 12:35:22 PM #10: |
I will always consider small polls produced by the media are used to manipulate people into thinking their vote wont matter and will simply not vote when it counts. --- Sig ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dio 07/27/25 12:37:40 PM #11: |
--Zero- posted... I will always consider small polls produced by the media are used to manipulate people into thinking their vote wont matter and will simply not vote when it counts. So you choose to ignore any issues with the Democrats? We should be raising alarm bells. This is such silly logic. Lets ignore everything because it may hurt morale. --- Holy Diver. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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--Zero- 07/27/25 12:42:41 PM #12: |
Dio posted... So you choose to ignore any issues with the Democrats? We should be raising alarm bells. This is such silly logic. Lets ignore everything because it may hurt morale. Issues with Democrats are such a non issue if majority of Americans truly understood that any Democrat is better than any Republican for America. I couldnt care less about how a Democrat fights or runs their campaign. It doesnt excuse the ignorance and gullibility of any American. The medias goal has always been to sway the readers mind and have them spread their influence to the next person. Polls will always be used for manipulation. I get you want to have a discussion about said poll, but theyre dumb as hell lol. --- Sig ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Board_hunter567 07/27/25 12:45:08 PM #13: |
Basically, horribly ignorant people believe the lies that Republicans have better economic and immigration policies despite hard data proving otherwise. Democrats bring economic booms and are just as tough against illegal immigration but people go by vibes instead. On the bright side, the one issue Democrats lead in was healthcare policy. --- http://i.imgur.com/szMsu.png Validate your purchases and discredit the purchases of others whenever possible. Numbers objectively define quality and enjoyment. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Strider102 07/27/25 12:45:53 PM #14: |
"Yeah, I know things are bad and are getting worse under Republicans having a majority and all the power, but just remember everything they do is the Democrats fault." --- "I dreamt I was a moron." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Cartoon_Quoter 07/27/25 12:51:54 PM #15: |
--Zero- posted... Issues with Democrats are such a non issue if majority of Americans truly understood that any Democrat is better than any Republican for America. I couldnt care less about how a Democrat fights or runs their campaign. It doesnt excuse the ignorance and gullibility of any American. The medias goal has always been to sway the readers mind and have them spread their influence to the next person. Especially one from the fucking Wall Street Journal. --- I apologize for nothing! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 07/27/25 12:52:43 PM #16: |
Strider102 posted... "Yeah, I know things are bad and are getting worse under Republicans having a majority and all the power, but just remember everything they do is the Democrats fault." --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 07/27/25 12:52:44 PM #17: |
--Zero- posted... Issues with Democrats are such a non issue if majority of Americans truly understood that any Democrat is better than any Republican for America.We don't live in that world, so stop acting as if we do. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 07/27/25 12:56:04 PM #18: |
Eh, I'm not gonna take seriously the analysis of a poll done by legacy media that appears to favor the Republicans in this political climate. Dems are losing approval by their own base because they're badly fucking up the response to Trump, so I'm perfectly fine with them slipping into horrid lows when it comes to ratings, maybe it'll lead to a shakeup in the party status quo. Or Americans can keep burning their hand on the stove until the pain helps them learn. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Thanatos_the_Great 07/27/25 12:56:29 PM #19: |
--Zero- posted... Issues with Democrats are such a non issue if majority of Americans truly understood that any Democrat is better than any Republican for America. I couldnt care less about how a Democrat fights or runs their campaign. It doesnt excuse the ignorance and gullibility of any American. This gets said a lot, and it's kind of true but also incredibly unhelpful. The logical extension of what you say is that the Democrats should just put their feet up for the next three and a half years and not bother campaigning at all. Yes, any sane person who ever up turned to middle school history class should understand that the Republicans are far worse than the Democrats, but in the real world that's not enough, and the Democrats do have a responsibility to not be crap at politics. --- Re-open board 261. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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doshindude 07/27/25 12:58:14 PM #20: |
As long as the decrepit "GOP-lite" dems such as Pelosi, Schumer, etc either hold on to power or influence the party in any way, they won't go anywhere. Especially now - these chuckleheads are bending the knee. So much for fighting. Again, should have been Bernie leading everyone in 2016, had he not been artificially shut down by the DNC. Will never let them forget that. --- Kind reminder not to defend corporations when they make dumb/anti-consumer decisions. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 07/27/25 1:02:17 PM #21: |
There are democrats that need to be primaried out of power. However, the alternative is giving power to fascists and child predators. So if you want to die on the hill that "dems are bad too" then you've already decided that fascism or child predation is not a problem. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unknown5uspect 07/27/25 1:05:34 PM #22: |
Dio posted... So you choose to ignore any issues with the Democrats? We should be raising alarm bells. This is such silly logic. Lets ignore everything because it may hurt morale.Part of the problem is calling these issues "with the Democrats" when it isn't the party with the issues (for the most part) but individual politicians. Except nobody brings these politicians to light so we know who to bring it to in primaries. It's always on the party as a whole and just leads people to be turned off to the only viable option that isn't turning America into a fascist Christian ethnostate. --- How can the moon landing be real if the moon isn't real? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 07/27/25 1:07:48 PM #23: |
Unknown5uspect posted... Part of the problem is calling these issues "with the Democrats" when it isn't the party with the issues (for the most part) but individual politicians. Except nobody brings these politicians to light so we know who to bring it to in primaries. It's always on the party as a whole and just leads people to be turned off to the only viable option that isn't turning America into a fascist Christian ethnostate. The people who are constantly calling to be against Democrats are simply just MAGA in disguised. No amount of reasoning matters to these kind of people. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ssb_yunglink2 07/27/25 1:15:22 PM #24: |
I mean genuinely what do people want from the dems at this point. They have a lot of things they need to do better on, but when something actually changes they get booed anyway. New York sees a young, charismatic leftist run for mayor, suddenly the entire right wing is calling him a communist, a good chunk of the left wing is doing the same thing somehow, and media is trying as hard as they can to make him lose. When a democratic politician appears to be moving in the right direction, they are attacked from all angles. What is supposed to be done? --- Hee Ho ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vegy 07/27/25 1:16:05 PM #25: |
Seems da "blame everything on da democrats" is working We are fucked hard tbh, mid term blue wave is officially over imo --- https://i.imgur.com/EoGWPMu.gif https://i.imgur.com/dWmUFeV.gif https://i.imgur.com/xpoEaeu.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sonixs 07/27/25 1:16:39 PM #26: |
I hate the Dems because they're so soft on Republicans. Also fuck Merrick Garland. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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creativerealms 07/27/25 1:20:09 PM #27: |
As is deserved. Democrats need to do better. --- "So this is how liberty dies, with Thunderous applause." Padme Amidala ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SaikyoStyle 07/27/25 1:22:35 PM #28: |
Ever notice how its only ever the Democrats who need to do better? --- Taxes, death, and trouble. Vetinari 2028. Make Ankh-Morpork Great Again! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KanWan 07/27/25 1:22:57 PM #29: |
wanderingshade posted... Anyone has any problems with politics it always goes to dumping on Democrats. I mean it doesn't help either that Dems are kinda weird low energy, fuddy-duddy, Peloton bike riding private school dorks either. This. So much this. Its embarrassing. --Zero- posted... Issues with Democrats are such a non issue if majority of Americans truly understood that any Democrat is better than any Republican for America. I couldnt care less about how a Democrat fights or runs their campaign. It doesnt excuse the ignorance and gullibility of any American. The medias goal has always been to sway the readers mind and have them spread their influence to the next person. You might not care, but its exactly why Democrats have been on the chopping block from even the members that subscribe to them. Morals and ethics are at best something akin to an opinion anyone can agree or disagree with. Expecting people to go along simply on the weight of the premise alone is both asinine and tone deaf. You can say it doesnt matter what the leader looks like, but when you have the opposite party selling that in spades (regardless if you disagree with that) it should tell you what you have is the selling of a fantasy so irresistible that it warps the minds of its constituents. Theres really no excuse for democrats to not do this. You are selling the moral for everything that its worth, not just some of it, not just your personal investment in the thing. The real problem is how do you look at a dreamer, completely convinced in all of their ignorance, and then say oh, but I also have the same dream or but my statistics back me up!? It doesnt work that way. A dream swallows a dream, an idea swallows the alternative idea. Theres no way you can go on saying you hate the country and then u-turn it into okay, now I need to say I love the country because everyone on the opposite aisle can smell it out of you like blood in the water. And how do you also not lose the view of the forest from the trees? You need real people to start championing the cause. You need people convinced from the start of what they were always convinced of. That didnt buy into the rhetoric, that werent going to be trailblazers but rather people who were so onto their destiny that it didnt matter what they were. Its for sure there in all of its existence. Its all the voices quieted down by pencil pushers who saw the democratic vs republican debate as some kind of war when the game was against all the assholes who subscribed to that shit to begin with. They say that morally we should be turned onto something but when they barely are convinced of any other moral than the one they want to use to convince someone of something. Democrats.. the worst sales person of them all. Liable to change like puddy when the time is convenient for them. --- NP: Lufia 2, FFIV "100 Years of Solitude", "Absalom, Absalom!" Posting Strike, No. of days without posting: 4 day(s) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BeantownHero 07/27/25 1:23:46 PM #30: |
Its literally pays to shit on democrats, from both sides. --- Black In America https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1527-black-in-america ... Copied to Clipboard!
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superbot400 07/27/25 1:23:56 PM #31: |
WSJThat doesnt mean that voter WIll vote republicans, it means that voters are unhappy party leadership. https://nitter.poast.org/kkondik/status/1949272708979515700#m --- http://spinsulin.freeforums.org/the-fantastic-four-respect-thread-t4436.html, my huge ass respect thread. You won't see it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ssb_yunglink2 07/27/25 1:25:13 PM #32: |
BeantownHero posted... Its literally pays to shit on democrats, from both sides.As weve seen with Mamdani. He actually wants to enact positive change? Better make sure that cant happen. --- Hee Ho ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BewmHedshot 07/27/25 1:25:48 PM #33: |
wanderingshade posted... Anyone has any problems with politics it always goes to dumping on Democrats. I mean it doesn't help either that Dems are kinda weird low energy, fuddy-duddy, Peloton bike riding private school dorks either."Why didn't the Democrats stop the Republican's from abusing the majority we gave them?" - Average American Voter ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 07/27/25 1:26:46 PM #34: |
Dio posted... So you choose to ignore any issues with the Democrats? We should be raising alarm bells. This is such silly logic. Lets ignore everything because it may hurt morale. Yes, but the question is why is the approval rating so low? One of the most common complaints in polls is "Dems are too far left!" and swing voters think the entire party wants open borders and to abolish the cops. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Dio 07/27/25 1:27:58 PM #35: |
Tmaster148 posted... The people who are constantly calling to be against Democrats are simply just MAGA in disguised. No amount of reasoning matters to these kind of people.tl;;dr any criticism against Democrats means you support Trump. lmao. The Dems have to be criticized or we won't ever win. It's always the same goal posts "Wait till primary! Wait till elections! wait till second term!". Ive always voted blue and will still do so but, the Dem's need to change and fast or we'll be relics. Vegy posted... Seems da "blame everything on da democrats" is workingThe right blame every single thing on us. The public gobble it up and vote republican. You've seen ICE destroy families and those victims all they have to say is "Its Bidens fault". ssb_yunglink2 posted... I mean genuinely what do people want from the dems at this point. They have a lot of things they need to do better on, but when something actually changes they get booed anyway. I mean the only attacks from Dems are coming from within the elites at the top. The rank and file voter are overwhelmingly supporting him, He's done a lot to capture the youth vote too. LightSnake posted... Yes, but the question is why is the approval rating so low? One of the most common complaints in polls is "Dems are too far left!" and swing voters think the entire party wants open borders and to abolish the cops. That's the million dollar question. I genuinely don't know how do we get out of this nightmare. I'm not confident the average American cares about progressive issues or little beyond "Dey took our jerbs" or "trans people are ruining sports" --- Holy Diver. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 07/27/25 1:28:06 PM #36: |
Its deserved. Dem politicians keep rolling over and/or cater more to the center right (Who will just vote Republican anyway) than doing their job. I didn't buy into the "paid opposition" theory at first, but 2025 finally convinced me. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cheat4ever 07/27/25 1:28:26 PM #37: |
Democrats aren't fighting enough. Kamala should take a page from Trump, announce her 2028 candidacy now and attack everything Republicans do ...and every bad outcome from it, every day. ...then a few more Dems should follow her lead and do the same thing. They should be out daily and on a conservative outlet weekly. --- MSI Delta 15 5800h/6700m-10gb/16gb ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Westernwolf4 07/27/25 1:28:51 PM #38: |
I think Democrats need to do better, including better messaging, in social media spaces where people will actually receive it. I also believe, with all my heart, that we are in the situation we are in because an enormous chunk of the American Electorate are complete morons. That, if Democrats want to get to this significant group, the best they can do is jingle a set of car keys in front of them. And, even that might be too complicated, policy wise. The Democrats have a lot of work to do, and have to keep trying. But we are not here because of anything the Party has to work on-I wish we were, because that is more comforting than the reality. The reality is that the GOP decided to completely abandon good faith governing, and they knew they could get away with it because millions of our voters are gullible and stupid. I dont know what the messaging/action fix is for that, especially since those same voters saw a GOP attempt at a coup and responded with a shrug and rewarding those responsible complete control of every branch of government. --- An opinion does not turn into a fact simply because the person holding it feels strongly about it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Westernwolf4 07/27/25 1:30:51 PM #39: |
BewmHedshot posted... "Why didn't the Democrats stop the Republican's from abusing the majority we gave them?" - Average American Voter This --- An opinion does not turn into a fact simply because the person holding it feels strongly about it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 07/27/25 1:31:19 PM #40: |
ssb_yunglink2 posted... I mean genuinely what do people want from the dems at this point. They have a lot of things they need to do better on, but when something actually changes they get booed anyway.Democrats have been the primary opposition to Zorhan. They all lined up behind a sex pest that killed helpless old people and even after Cuomo got stomped into dust, national leadership and even a good chunk of politicians from his own state won't endorse him and actively attack him. They are being served an extremely easy win on a silver platter and slapping it away because he's "too extreme". When was the last time the Republican Party refused to embrace a popular candidate for being "too extreme"? --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 07/27/25 1:32:39 PM #41: |
Dio posted... tl;;dr any criticism against Democrats means you support Trump. lmao. The Dems have to be criticized or we won't ever win. It's always the same goal posts "Wait till primary! Wait till elections! wait till second term!". Ive always voted blue and will still do so but, the Dem's need to change and fast or we'll be relics. American swing voters are, frankly, insane. They have bizarre priorities, don't pay attention, believe total falsehoods, etc. One of the issues is Dems are winning the educated, engaged voters. How do we appeal to everyone else who don't even remember Trump was president and think some random yahoo quoted in the news who's some protester is representative of the entire Democratic Party --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 07/27/25 1:33:26 PM #42: |
Garioshi posted... Democrats have been the primary opposition to Zorhan. They all lined up behind a sex pest that killed helpless old people and even after Cuomo got stomped into dust, national leadership and even a good chunk of politicians from his own state won't endorse him and actively attack him. They are being served an extremely easy win on a silver platter and slapping it away because he's "too extreme". When was the last time the Republican Party refused to embrace a popular candidate for being "too extreme"? This really isn't happening at all. Getting yourselves twisted over an imaginary enemy isn't going to help you. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 07/27/25 1:35:32 PM #43: |
Garioshi posted... Democrats have been the primary opposition to Zorhan. This is just categorically false, man. They all lined up behind a sex pest that killed helpless old people and even after Cuomo got stomped into dust, national leadership and even a good chunk of politicians from his own state won't endorse him and actively attack him. They are being served an extremely easy win on a silver platter and slapping it away because he's "too extreme". When was the last time the Republican Party refused to embrace a popular candidate for being "too extreme"? This is again, just categorically false. "They all lined up against a sex pest." And then you look at actual numbers and it's just Clyburn and Bill Clinton. The vast majority of the party didn't say a thing about the NYC mayoral primary, and both Schumer and the DNC official account congratulated Mamdani. This is another issue from attacks on the left. If there's nothing to actually be mad about, they'll invent a reason for it. Everything is a slight, everything is a reason to seethe, etc. That Mamdani won because his campaign was so positive and he can't possibly lose in November doesn't seem to matter. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Philip027 07/27/25 1:36:38 PM #44: |
Not surprised, considering most of the time I hear about them lately it's about how they're essentially bending over and taking it. Makes them kind of a hard sell even for the people who haven't deep dived into the Koolaid bowl. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 07/27/25 1:37:25 PM #45: |
Tmaster148 posted... This really isn't happening at all. Getting yourselves twisted over an imaginary enemy isn't going to help you. I don't really blame Garioshi. The issue is that a lot of "Leftist" social media acounts profit off of sowing division. Like he follows Ken Klippenstein, a former Evangelical Libertarian turned Tankie turned "journalist" whose one job is posting out of context clips to make Dems look bad. This stuff takes a real toll when all you do is expose yourself to "DEMS BAD" accounts. It's exactly what's happened to the elderly with Fox News Like when most of the party is ylling "Release the files" or voting for their release.....wait, here's a 20 second clip of Nancy Pelosi saying it's a distraction in a ten minute news segment where she was there to talk about a completely different subject. Better crop that and present it with a smug comment and it'll get 50K likes! --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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argonautweakend 07/27/25 1:41:06 PM #46: |
I'm not surprised to see it, but in the midterms at least I don't see this being too much of a factor. I don't really think the average voter is invested in political parties as much as we think, even if a large chunk of people vote R or D no matter what. edit: but yeah, they need to try harder and need to be more in touch with people and what they really want. I'd love to see a huge Democrat/left wing media group to rise up and go after young people and fill their social media feeds with good messages they need to hear and not the toxic messages they are sometimes forced to hear from right wing losers. edit2: a lot of their accomplishments(or non accomplishments but good looks like every single Democrat in every stage voting against the BBW bill) need to actually be championed more. People upset about losing healthcare coverage? 97% of republicans in the house and senate voted for it, with 0% of Democrats. People need to know who the fuck did what, and that's hard because of media manipulation and idiocy and no larger network that just seeps into peoples feeds like right wing losers somehow do. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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myusernameislame 07/27/25 1:47:44 PM #47: |
LightSnake posted... Yes, but the question is why is the approval rating so low? One of the most common complaints in polls is "Dems are too far left!" and swing voters think the entire party wants open borders and to abolish the cops. It doesn't help that when Democrats get accused of being radical leftists, instead of defending the moderate positions they actually hold, a lot of them immediately act ashamed and flail to appeal to the right. All the polling and data that says what values people want politicians to hold, but it overlooks the importance of being able to convince voters that you even have values in the first place. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CanardElastique 07/27/25 1:49:21 PM #48: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e1bbf671.jpg --- ~ Canard Elastique ~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 07/27/25 1:49:32 PM #49: |
myusernameislame posted... It doesn't help that when Democrats get accused of being radical leftists, instead of defending the moderate positions they actually hold, a lot of them immediately act ashamed and flail to appeal to the right. All the polling and data that says what values people want politicians to hold, but it overlooks the importance of being able to convince voters that you even have values in the first place. A huge issue is voters are actively insane on that and a lot of things get asked in a vacuum. The Affordable Care Act is probably an amazing example of that. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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El_Dustino 07/27/25 1:49:46 PM #50: |
Tmaster148 posted... There are democrats that need to be primaried out of power. However, the alternative is giving power to fascists and child predators. So if you want to die on the hill that "dems are bad too" then you've already decided that fascism or child predation is not a problem.Saying Dems are bad means you support child predation is a pretty wild take. --- The two most beautiful words in any language: I forgive. AC:NL Dream Address: 5700-3355-4304 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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