Poll of the Day > Newsflash: No One's Going to Work Their Butt Off for $15 Anymore

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knightoffire55 08/01/25 6:22:36 PM #1:	If you want effort, reliability, and long-term commitment, you need to pay more. --- #IStandWithBalanWonderworld <cite>knightoffire55 posted [p:985963031] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>If you want effort, reliability, and long-term commitment, you need to pay more.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Beveren_Rabbit 08/01/25 6:27:51 PM #2:	it's not just about the pay, regardless if you are minimum wage or not, unskilled or skilled, employees do not want to put up with the current work conditions. Often times the amount of people staffed to work a shift does not support the amount of productivity that is expected. A fast food employee can be paid $20/hr, but can easily burn out if they are expected to handle drive through, front lobby as well as pay attention to online orders from multiple apps all while needing to occasionally clean the lobby/restroom and make sure supplies are stocked and food prep is done. --- flops <cite>Beveren_Rabbit posted [p:985963081] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>it's not just about the pay, regardless if you are minimum wage or not, unskilled or skilled, employees do not want to put up with the current work conditions. Often times the amount of people staffed to work a shift does not support the amount of productivity that is expected. A fast food employee can be paid $20/hr, but can easily burn out if they are expected to handle drive through, front lobby as well as pay attention to online orders from multiple apps all while needing to occasionally clean the lobby/restroom and make sure supplies are stocked and food prep is done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Realthuddydrumz 08/01/25 6:32:15 PM #3:	I would absolutely never employ American workers or operate any sort of business in the US. <cite>Realthuddydrumz posted [p:985963121] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>I would absolutely never employ American workers or operate any sort of business in the US.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Damn_Underscore 08/01/25 6:50:34 PM #4:	You have to make every day living affordable or it doesn't matter what the pay is --- Do You Feel Like I Do? <cite>Damn_Underscore posted [p:985963312] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>You have to make every day living affordable or it doesn't matter what the pay is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sull56ivan2010 08/01/25 7:07:15 PM #5:	Beveren_Rabbit posted... it's not just about the pay, regardless if you are minimum wage or not, unskilled or skilled, employees do not want to put up with the current work conditions. Often times the amount of people staffed to work a shift does not support the amount of productivity that is expected. A fast food employee can be paid $20/hr, but can easily burn out if they are expected to handle drive through, front lobby as well as pay attention to online orders from multiple apps all while needing to occasionally clean the lobby/restroom and make sure supplies are stocked and food prep is done. Pretty much. Like you said, it's not about the pay, though one does wish they could get more beyond the minimum wage. Management and higher ups at times don't care how their employees are doing. Being short staffed does not make someone's job any better and to put a ton more weight on the workers (certain workers will get the shit end of the stick and others don't have to worry about much.) makes for a rougher experience. If you have to deal with customers, obviously that will vary. --- I don't feel bad for professional athletes <cite>sull56ivan2010 posted [p:985963482] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Beveren_Rabbit posted... </cite><quote>it's not just about the pay, regardless if you are minimum wage or not, unskilled or skilled, employees do not want to put up with the current work conditions. Often times the amount of people staffed to work a shift does not support the amount of productivity that is expected. A fast food employee can be paid $20/hr, but can easily burn out if they are expected to handle drive through, front lobby as well as pay attention to online orders from multiple apps all while needing to occasionally clean the lobby/restroom and make sure supplies are stocked and food prep is done.</quote>Pretty much. Like you said, it's not about the pay, though one does wish they could get more beyond the minimum wage. Management and higher ups at times don't care how their employees are doing. Being short staffed does not make someone's job any better and to put a ton more weight on the workers (certain workers will get the shit end of the stick and others don't have to worry about much.) makes for a rougher experience. If you have to deal with customers, obviously that will vary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 08/01/25 7:14:48 PM #6:	Youve never worked around immigrants apparently. <cite>Cacciato posted [p:985963558] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Youve never worked around immigrants apparently. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultra_magnus13 08/01/25 8:10:36 PM #7:	knightoffire55 posted... If you want effort, reliability, and long-term commitment, you need to pay more. If you don't have specific skills, no one is going to pay you more unless you are reliable, and show effort and commitment. --- ?huh?........ it's just a box. <cite>ultra_magnus13 posted [p:985964079] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>knightoffire55 posted... </cite><quote>If you want effort, reliability, and long-term commitment, you need to pay more.</quote>If you don't have specific skills, no one is going to pay you more unless you are reliable, and show effort and commitment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lokarin 08/01/25 8:11:49 PM #8:	What's going to happen when there are 10 billion people and only 1000 jobs? --- "Salt cures Everything!" My YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/Nirakolov/videos <cite>Lokarin posted [p:985964090] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>What's going to happen when there are 10 billion people and only 1000 jobs?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kallainanna 08/01/25 8:19:23 PM #9:	Cacciato posted... Youve never worked around immigrants apparently. Some of the hardest workers I ever encountered. Usually total sweethearts too! I remember working at Whole Foods in the Bakery as recently as last year. They sold tons of cakes and pastries out of the case (especially on weekends and especially ESPECIALLLY around holidays) and accepted a large volume of custom orders, yet they only ever had two full-time cake decorators and one part-time cake decorator. They were all stressed the fuck out approximately 120% of the time. Of course, it was little better up front: they would often have two openers, but they only ever had one mid and one closer (I closed FML), which got especially hilarious if the mid called out or one of the managers: they would invariably spend a lot of time in the office in back, and one was infamous for pulling a ton of shit out of the freezer with the expectation we would pack it all out- except the mid and closer had a ton of other things to attend, particularly dealing with customers, which means when that particular manager worked, product would often sit out for as many as six hours without actually being packed out because we were so overwhelmed- which technically means it should have been spoiled out, but LOL it never was. And I was a pretty efficient packer, even! Some nights I would just go into the walk-in cooler in the kitchen and just kneel on the floor and cry. I don't know what amount of money would make that experience worthwhile, but it wasn't $18/hr. It's a pity, there was a stretch of time where we did have two closers and it was actually a pretty good work experience then. --- "I read somewhere the Sun will explode one day; A giant to swallow the world But you look so beautiful and so bright to this cold girl" -Freezepop <cite>Kallainanna posted [p:985964175] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Cacciato posted... </cite><quote>Youve never worked around immigrants apparently.</quote>Some of the hardest workers I ever encountered. Usually total sweethearts too!I remember working at Whole Foods in the Bakery as recently as last year. They sold tons of cakes and pastries out of the case (especially on weekends and especially ESPECIALLLY around holidays) and accepted a large volume of custom orders, yet they only ever had two full-time cake decorators and one part-time cake decorator. They were all stressed the fuck out approximately 120% of the time.Of course, it was little better up front: they would often have two openers, but they only ever had one mid and one closer (I closed FML), which got especially hilarious if the mid called out or one of the managers: they would invariably spend a lot of time in the office in back, and one was infamous for pulling a ton of shit out of the freezer with the expectation we would pack it all out- except the mid and closer had a ton of other things to attend, particularly dealing with customers, which means when that particular manager worked, product would often sit out for as many as six hours without actually being packed out because we were so overwhelmed- which technically means it should have been spoiled out, but LOL it never was. And I was a pretty efficient packer, even!Some nights I would just go into the walk-in cooler in the kitchen and just kneel on the floor and cry. I don't know what amount of money would make that experience worthwhile, but it wasn't $18/hr.It's a pity, there was a stretch of time where we did have two closers and it was actually a pretty good work experience then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/01/25 9:59:37 PM #10:	There is never any such thing as a "labor shortage" - either the pay is too low, or the standards are too high. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:985965208] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>There is never any such thing as a "labor shortage" - either the pay is too low, or the standards are too high.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 08/01/25 10:34:08 PM #11:	Kallainanna posted... Some of the hardest workers I ever encountered. Usually total sweethearts too! I remember working at Whole Foods in the Bakery as recently as last year. They sold tons of cakes and pastries out of the case (especially on weekends and especially ESPECIALLLY around holidays) and accepted a large volume of custom orders, yet they only ever had two full-time cake decorators and one part-time cake decorator. They were all stressed the fuck out approximately 120% of the time. Of course, it was little better up front: they would often have two openers, but they only ever had one mid and one closer (I closed FML), which got especially hilarious if the mid called out or one of the managers: they would invariably spend a lot of time in the office in back, and one was infamous for pulling a ton of shit out of the freezer with the expectation we would pack it all out- except the mid and closer had a ton of other things to attend, particularly dealing with customers, which means when that particular manager worked, product would often sit out for as many as six hours without actually being packed out because we were so overwhelmed- which technically means it should have been spoiled out, but LOL it never was. And I was a pretty efficient packer, even! Some nights I would just go into the walk-in cooler in the kitchen and just kneel on the floor and cry. I don't know what amount of money would make that experience worthwhile, but it wasn't $18/hr. It's a pity, there was a stretch of time where we did have two closers and it was actually a pretty good work experience then. I work for the USDA and am almost solely around immigrants unless management and supervisors are around. Its insane how hard they work for what they get paid. Granted, some do make well over $15 an hour, but for a lot of the unskilled jobs just cutting up meat they bust their ass doing their jobs. <cite>Cacciato posted [p:985965499] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Kallainanna posted... </cite><quote>Some of the hardest workers I ever encountered. Usually total sweethearts too!I remember working at Whole Foods in the Bakery as recently as last year. They sold tons of cakes and pastries out of the case (especially on weekends and especially ESPECIALLLY around holidays) and accepted a large volume of custom orders, yet they only ever had two full-time cake decorators and one part-time cake decorator. They were all stressed the fuck out approximately 120% of the time.Of course, it was little better up front: they would often have two openers, but they only ever had one mid and one closer (I closed FML), which got especially hilarious if the mid called out or one of the managers: they would invariably spend a lot of time in the office in back, and one was infamous for pulling a ton of shit out of the freezer with the expectation we would pack it all out- except the mid and closer had a ton of other things to attend, particularly dealing with customers, which means when that particular manager worked, product would often sit out for as many as six hours without actually being packed out because we were so overwhelmed- which technically means it should have been spoiled out, but LOL it never was. And I was a pretty efficient packer, even!Some nights I would just go into the walk-in cooler in the kitchen and just kneel on the floor and cry. I don't know what amount of money would make that experience worthwhile, but it wasn't $18/hr.It's a pity, there was a stretch of time where we did have two closers and it was actually a pretty good work experience then.</quote>I work for the USDA and am almost solely around immigrants unless management and supervisors are around. Its insane how hard they work for what they get paid. Granted, some do make well over $15 an hour, but for a lot of the unskilled jobs just cutting up meat they bust their ass doing their jobs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyborgSage00x0 08/02/25 12:08:42 AM #12:	Lokarin posted... What's going to happen when there are 10 billion people and only 1000 jobs? Soylent Green baby. --- PotD's resident Film Expert. <cite>CyborgSage00x0 posted [p:985966279] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted... </cite><quote>What's going to happen when there are 10 billion people and only 1000 jobs?</quote>Soylent Green baby.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MICHALECOLE 08/02/25 12:26:55 AM #13:	Lokarin posted... What's going to happen when there are 10 billion people and only 1000 jobs? Imagine being the unlucky 1% that has to work poor bastards <cite>MICHALECOLE posted [p:985966438] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Lokarin posted... </cite><quote>What's going to happen when there are 10 billion people and only 1000 jobs?</quote>Imagine being the unlucky 1% that has to work poor bastards </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dj1200 08/03/25 1:29:03 AM #14:	Cacciato posted... Youve never worked around immigrants apparently. --- "It was so ridiculous and I have so many feelings about it." -Virtual Energies <cite>dj1200 posted [p:985977817] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Cacciato posted... </cite><quote>Youve never worked around immigrants apparently.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 08/03/25 9:56:07 AM #15:	Most Americans don't know what hard work is. --- "I don't question our existence, I just question our modern needs" Pearl Jam - Garden My theme song - https://youtu.be/-PXIbVNfj3s <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:985979847] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Most Americans don't know what hard work is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sull56ivan2010 08/03/25 10:56:22 AM #16:	SunWuKung420 posted... Most Americans don't know what hard work is. Do you? --- I don't feel bad for professional athletes <cite>sull56ivan2010 posted [p:985980221] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted... </cite><quote>Most Americans don't know what hard work is.</quote>Do you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Roachmeat 08/03/25 12:10:14 PM #17:	ultra_magnus13 posted... If you don't have specific skills, ..or a very well-made document printed off the interent saying that you do.. SunWuKung420 posted... Most Americans don't know what hard work is. And a lot of them definitely know what hard work is but don't have time to brag about it. <cite>Roachmeat posted [p:985980783] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>ultra_magnus13 posted... </cite><quote>If you don't have specific skills,</quote>..or a very well-made document printed off the interent saying that you do..SunWuKung420 posted... </cite><quote>Most Americans don't know what hard work is.</quote>And a lot of them definitely know what hard work is but don't have time to brag about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 08/03/25 3:58:08 PM #18:	SunWuKung420 posted... Most Americans don't know what hard work is. It's different in the US though. There are really tough jobs that pay shit in impoverished countries but they live more communal typically. Here in the US, you can get a job busting your ass and come home to nothing but your shithole apartment by yourself every day. Lucky if you can afford that. It can be very isolating for people <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:985982936] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted... </cite><quote>Most Americans don't know what hard work is.</quote>It's different in the US though. There are really tough jobs that pay shit in impoverished countries but they live more communal typically. Here in the US, you can get a job busting your ass and come home to nothing but your shithole apartment by yourself every day. Lucky if you can afford that. It can be very isolating for people </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Beveren_Rabbit 08/03/25 9:47:53 PM #19:	We're past Gen Alpha and entering Gen Beta. It's ridiculous to expect fast food workers to continue making $7/hr when prices are going up regardless of minimum wage going up or not. --- flops <cite>Beveren_Rabbit posted [p:985987712] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>We're past Gen Alpha and entering Gen Beta. It's ridiculous to expect fast food workers to continue making $7/hr when prices are going up regardless of minimum wage going up or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monopoman 08/03/25 11:51:35 PM #20:	Beveren_Rabbit posted... We're past Gen Alpha and entering Gen Beta. It's ridiculous to expect fast food workers to continue making $7/hr when prices are going up regardless of minimum wage going up or not. Well what's funny is at this point the only thing they can even go after is it makes the prices balloon in the area, but we have seen many areas go to $16 per hour minimum wage and those areas have not seen the prices rise a ton. So the notion that if they did implement a $15 per hour minimum wage across the USA it would cause massive price spikes is just bullshit. Americans also are some of the hardest workers, over time we have seen productivity in America only go up. --- Getting too damn old for this crap! <cite>Monopoman posted [p:985988816] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Beveren_Rabbit posted... </cite><quote>We're past Gen Alpha and entering Gen Beta. It's ridiculous to expect fast food workers to continue making $7/hr when prices are going up regardless of minimum wage going up or not.</quote>Well what's funny is at this point the only thing they can even go after is it makes the prices balloon in the area, but we have seen many areas go to $16 per hour minimum wage and those areas have not seen the prices rise a ton.So the notion that if they did implement a $15 per hour minimum wage across the USA it would cause massive price spikes is just bullshit. Americans also are some of the hardest workers, over time we have seen productivity in America only go up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
willythemailboy 08/04/25 1:57:06 AM #21:	Monopoman posted... So the notion that if they did implement a $15 per hour minimum wage across the USA it would cause massive price spikes is just bullshit. Nationally? Not so much. Locally, where minimum wage is significantly less than that? Depends on the industry. Nursing homes, daycare, and other industries where labor is the highest proportion of overall costs would see a pretty big spike. Monopoman posted... Americans also are some of the hardest workers, over time we have seen productivity in America only go up. Again, depends on the industry, but mostly productivity gains come from the capital side rather than the labor side. A guy with a shovel can be the hardest worker on the planet but he's not going to be more productive than a guy with a backhoe. A guy with an abacus is never going to be more productive than a guy with Excel. --- There are four lights. <cite>willythemailboy posted [p:985989605] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Monopoman posted... </cite><quote>So the notion that if they did implement a $15 per hour minimum wage across the USA it would cause massive price spikes is just bullshit.</quote>Nationally? Not so much. Locally, where minimum wage is significantly less than that? Depends on the industry. Nursing homes, daycare, and other industries where labor is the highest proportion of overall costs would see a pretty big spike.Monopoman posted... </cite><quote>Americans also are some of the hardest workers, over time we have seen productivity in America only go up.</quote>Again, depends on the industry, but mostly productivity gains come from the capital side rather than the labor side. A guy with a shovel can be the hardest worker on the planet but he's not going to be more productive than a guy with a backhoe. A guy with an abacus is never going to be more productive than a guy with Excel.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyborgSage00x0 08/04/25 3:43:12 PM #22:	MICHALECOLE posted... Imagine being the unlucky 1% that has to work poor bastards The sad part is, this is how the post-capitalist future should be. But sadly, won't be. --- PotD's resident Film Expert. <cite>CyborgSage00x0 posted [p:985995178] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>MICHALECOLE posted... </cite><quote>Imagine being the unlucky 1% that has to work poor bastards</quote>The sad part is, this is how the post-capitalist future should be. But sadly, won't be.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 08/04/25 7:22:11 PM #23:	SunWuKung420 posted... Most Americans don't know what hard work is. --- "I don't question our existence, I just question our modern needs" Pearl Jam - Garden My theme song - https://youtu.be/-PXIbVNfj3s <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:985997377] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted... </cite><quote>Most Americans don't know what hard work is.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sull56ivan2010 08/04/25 7:24:27 PM #24:	What's hard work to you @SunWuKung420 --- I don't feel bad for professional athletes <cite>sull56ivan2010 posted [p:985997396] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>What's hard work to you @SunWuKung420 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 08/04/25 7:45:04 PM #25:	sull56ivan2010 posted... What's hard work to you @SunWuKung420 Wake before the sun and work until the sun goes down. --- "I don't question our existence, I just question our modern needs" Pearl Jam - Garden My theme song - https://youtu.be/-PXIbVNfj3s <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:985997582] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>sull56ivan2010 posted... </cite><quote>What's hard work to you @SunWuKung420</quote>Wake before the sun and work until the sun goes down. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Beveren_Rabbit 08/04/25 8:54:27 PM #26:	I wake up at 4:00am , do my morning stretches before going on a light jog while listening to business related podcasts, then take a cold shower and enjoy a homemade breakfast . then I get started on reading e-mails and daytrading. then I head to my many laundry mats and vending machines across the city to collect my money and do maintenance. all my free time is dedicated to improving some sort of skill, some sort of hustle, and my business. --- flops <cite>Beveren_Rabbit posted [p:985998326] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>I wake up at 4:00am , do my morning stretches before going on a light jog while listening to business related podcasts, then take a cold shower and enjoy a homemade breakfast . then I get started on reading e-mails and daytrading. then I head to my many laundry mats and vending machines across the city to collect my money and do maintenance. all my free time is dedicated to improving some sort of skill, some sort of hustle, and my business.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Salrite 08/04/25 9:55:04 PM #27:	Beveren_Rabbit posted... it's not just about the pay, regardless if you are minimum wage or not, unskilled or skilled, employees do not want to put up with the current work conditions. Often times the amount of people staffed to work a shift does not support the amount of productivity that is expected. A fast food employee can be paid $20/hr, but can easily burn out if they are expected to handle drive through, front lobby as well as pay attention to online orders from multiple apps all while needing to occasionally clean the lobby/restroom and make sure supplies are stocked and food prep is done. Chicken and Egg situation. Employees are expected to do these things because businesses are severely understaffed and have very quick turn around, because no one wants to work at these places, because the pay is shit / they have to do the jobs of multiple people all by themselves and are hopefully finding better employment. Ideally, this is something that could just be solved with better management. But in reality, a lot of these business are also kind of against a wall with the workforce that is available to them, even assuming those employees have any sort of work ethic, which of course can't be expected from a no skill environment. <cite>Salrite posted [p:985999025] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Beveren_Rabbit posted... </cite><quote>it's not just about the pay, regardless if you are minimum wage or not, unskilled or skilled, employees do not want to put up with the current work conditions. Often times the amount of people staffed to work a shift does not support the amount of productivity that is expected. A fast food employee can be paid $20/hr, but can easily burn out if they are expected to handle drive through, front lobby as well as pay attention to online orders from multiple apps all while needing to occasionally clean the lobby/restroom and make sure supplies are stocked and food prep is done.</quote>Chicken and Egg situation. Employees are expected to do these things because businesses are severely understaffed and have very quick turn around, because no one wants to work at these places, because the pay is shit / they have to do the jobs of multiple people all by themselves and are hopefully finding better employment.Ideally, this is something that could just be solved with better management. But in reality, a lot of these business are also kind of against a wall with the workforce that is available to them, even assuming those employees have any sort of work ethic, which of course can't be expected from a no skill environment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 08/04/25 9:56:24 PM #28:	Beveren_Rabbit posted... I wake up at 4:00am , do my morning stretches before going on a light jog while listening to business related podcasts, then take a cold shower and enjoy a homemade breakfast . then I get started on reading e-mails and daytrading. then I head to my many laundry mats and vending machines across the city to collect my money and do maintenance. all my free time is dedicated to improving some sort of skill, some sort of hustle, and my business. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e82d47b6.jpg <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:985999045] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Beveren_Rabbit posted... </cite><quote>I wake up at 4:00am , do my morning stretches before going on a light jog while listening to business related podcasts, then take a cold shower and enjoy a homemade breakfast . then I get started on reading e-mails and daytrading. then I head to my many laundry mats and vending machines across the city to collect my money and do maintenance. all my free time is dedicated to improving some sort of skill, some sort of hustle, and my business.</quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e82d47b6.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Salrite 08/04/25 10:13:41 PM #29:	Also in certain areas 15 dollars an hour is VERY good for unskilled labor. I'm making 13 right now with fifteen years of experience in broadcast television. But admittedly, I would much rather be working where I am now than in fast food service. Probably more beneficial in the long run too. <cite>Salrite posted [p:985999278] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Also in certain areas 15 dollars an hour is VERY good for unskilled labor. I'm making 13 right now with fifteen years of experience in broadcast television.But admittedly, I would much rather be working where I am now than in fast food service. Probably more beneficial in the long run too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Beveren_Rabbit 08/04/25 10:24:15 PM #30:	^yes, one thing people don't consider about skilled jobs that don't pay as much are the benefits, hours, and not dealing with rude customers. If these workers are expected to be 5x as productive than workers from 20 years ago while dealing with rude customers all day they can take the $15-$20/hr. --- flops <cite>Beveren_Rabbit posted [p:985999383] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>^yes, one thing people don't consider about skilled jobs that don't pay as much are the benefits, hours, and not dealing with rude customers. If these workers are expected to be 5x as productive than workers from 20 years ago while dealing with rude customers all day they can take the $15-$20/hr.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyborgSage00x0 08/05/25 1:38:57 AM #31:	Salrite posted... Also in certain areas 15 dollars an hour is VERY good for unskilled labor. I'm making 13 right now with fifteen years of experience in broadcast television. But admittedly, I would much rather be working where I am now than in fast food service. Probably more beneficial in the long run too. There's no part of the US very this is considered good, let alone "very good.". --- PotD's resident Film Expert. <cite>CyborgSage00x0 posted [p:986000648] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Salrite posted... </cite><quote>Also in certain areas 15 dollars an hour is VERY good for unskilled labor. I'm making 13 right now with fifteen years of experience in broadcast television.But admittedly, I would much rather be working where I am now than in fast food service. Probably more beneficial in the long run too.</quote>There's no part of the US very this is considered good, let alone "very good.". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 08/05/25 4:15:35 AM #32:	SunWuKung420 posted... Wake before the sun and work until the sun goes down. Im surprised you said that rather than working with frozen foreskins. <cite>Cacciato posted [p:986001224] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>SunWuKung420 posted... </cite><quote>Wake before the sun and work until the sun goes down.</quote>Im surprised you said that rather than working with frozen foreskins. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snoregasm 08/05/25 7:04:34 AM #33:	OhhhJa posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e82d47b6.jpg lmao --- Guilty of snore crimes <cite>Snoregasm posted [p:986001699] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e82d47b6.jpg</quote>lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Salrite 08/05/25 5:40:12 PM #34:	CyborgSage00x0 posted... There's no part of the US very this is considered good, let alone "very good.". 15 dollars an hour is more than a liveable wage in many parts of the US if you're working full time and is above average rates. And for unskilled labor, this is a blessing. <cite>Salrite posted [p:986007075] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>CyborgSage00x0 posted... </cite><quote>There's no part of the US very this is considered good, let alone "very good.".</quote>15 dollars an hour is more than a liveable wage in many parts of the US if you're working full time and is above average rates. And for unskilled labor, this is a blessing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Snoregasm 08/05/25 6:24:16 PM #35:	Salrite posted... blessing Right winger sighted --- Guilty of snore crimes <cite>Snoregasm posted [p:986007485] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Salrite posted... </cite><quote>blessing</quote>Right winger sighted </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kallainanna 08/05/25 7:51:04 PM #36:	Salrite posted... 15 dollars an hour is more than a liveable wage in many parts of the US if you're working full time and is above average rates. And for unskilled labor, this is a blessing. At 40 hours a week that's ~$31,200 dollars/yr. Which isn't much, though maybe there are a handful of places and situations where you could theoretically make ends meet with it ~~I suspect mostly the places where people don't typically live, which is a whole 'nother can of worms~~, but when you consider the type of job that pays minimum wage also generally offers no/subpar benefits... It's a pittance. People are worth a hell of a lot more than that. --- "I read somewhere the Sun will explode one day; A giant to swallow the world But you look so beautiful and so bright to this cold girl" -Freezepop <cite>Kallainanna posted [p:986008307] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Salrite posted... </cite><quote>15 dollars an hour is more than a liveable wage in many parts of the US if you're working full time and is above average rates. And for unskilled labor, this is a blessing.</quote>At 40 hours a week that's ~$31,200 dollars/yr. Which isn't much, though maybe there are a handful of places and situations where you could theoretically make ends meet with it I suspect mostly the places where people don't typically live, which is a whole 'nother can of worms, but when you consider the type of job that pays minimum wage also generally offers no/subpar benefits...It's a pittance. People are worth a hell of a lot more than that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
willythemailboy 08/05/25 8:25:41 PM #37:	Kallainanna posted... At 40 hours a week that's ~$31,200 dollars/yr. Which isn't much, though maybe there are a handful of places and situations where you could theoretically make ends meet with it ~~I suspect mostly the places where people don't typically live, which is a whole 'nother can of worms~~, but when you consider the type of job that pays minimum wage also generally offers no/subpar benefits... It's a pittance. People are worth a hell of a lot more than that. There are states where the median individual income isn't much higher than that. Half of the workers in Mississippi make less than $37,500 a year. That's not rural Mississippi, that's for the entire state. --- There are four lights. <cite>willythemailboy posted [p:986008622] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Kallainanna posted... </cite><quote>At 40 hours a week that's ~$31,200 dollars/yr. Which isn't much, though maybe there are a handful of places and situations where you could theoretically make ends meet with it I suspect mostly the places where people don't typically live, which is a whole 'nother can of worms, but when you consider the type of job that pays minimum wage also generally offers no/subpar benefits...It's a pittance. People are worth a hell of a lot more than that.</quote>There are states where the median individual income isn't much higher than that. Half of the workers in Mississippi make less than $37,500 a year. That's not rural Mississippi, that's for the entire state.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kallainanna 08/05/25 8:37:16 PM #38:	willythemailboy posted... There are states where the median individual income isn't much higher than that. Half of the workers in Mississippi make less than $37,500 a year. That's not rural Mississippi, that's for the entire state. ...and what's the standard of living there like? Because it's not good. --- "I read somewhere the Sun will explode one day; A giant to swallow the world But you look so beautiful and so bright to this cold girl" -Freezepop <cite>Kallainanna posted [p:986008750] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>willythemailboy posted... </cite><quote>There are states where the median individual income isn't much higher than that. Half of the workers in Mississippi make less than $37,500 a year. That's not rural Mississippi, that's for the entire state.</quote>...and what's the standard of living there like? Because it's not good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
willythemailboy 08/05/25 9:05:01 PM #39:	Kallainanna posted... ...and what's the standard of living there like? Because it's not good. Better than if you were trying to live in LA on the same income, though. I get your game, though. Any place I point out that people can and do live on under $40k you're just going to call a shithole. You can't be proven wrong because you've defined the terms such that even proof that you're wrong you can take as "proof" that you're right. --- There are four lights. <cite>willythemailboy posted [p:986009028] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Kallainanna posted... </cite><quote>...and what's the standard of living there like? Because it's not good.</quote>Better than if you were trying to live in LA on the same income, though.I get your game, though. Any place I point out that people can and do live on under $40k you're just going to call a shithole. You can't be proven wrong because you've defined the terms such that even proof that you're wrong you can take as "proof" that you're right.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bachewychomp 08/05/25 9:18:28 PM #40:	Ah man it seems like topics that devolve to "just move to a cheaper area, simple as" are becoming a weekly occurrence on this board now <cite>bachewychomp posted [p:986009193] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Ah man it seems like topics that devolve to "just move to a cheaper area, simple as" are becoming a weekly occurrence on this board now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Beveren_Rabbit 08/05/25 10:30:17 PM #41:	"people that farm the food I eat don't deserve to make the same amount of money as me because I went to college, okay?" how do people seriously believe this? --- flops <cite>Beveren_Rabbit posted [p:986009734] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>"people that farm the food I eat don't deserve to make the same amount of money as me because I went to college, okay?"how do people seriously believe this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
willythemailboy 08/05/25 11:35:13 PM #42:	bachewychomp posted... Ah man it seems like topics that devolve to "just move to a cheaper area, simple as" are becoming a weekly occurrence on this board now Well it seems that "no one can possibly live on less than what someone needs to live in a Manhattan high rise" has become a weekly occurrence, so the counter argument is also going to come up with the same frequency. Beveren_Rabbit posted... "people that farm the food I eat don't deserve to make the same amount of money as me because I went to college, okay?" how do people seriously believe this? The same person who thinks like you will in the same breath complain that the cost of childcare is too high, completely incapable of comprehending that the two might be related. --- There are four lights. <cite>willythemailboy posted [p:986010118] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>bachewychomp posted... </cite><quote>Ah man it seems like topics that devolve to "just move to a cheaper area, simple as" are becoming a weekly occurrence on this board now</quote>Well it seems that "no one can possibly live on less than what someone needs to live in a Manhattan high rise" has become a weekly occurrence, so the counter argument is also going to come up with the same frequency.Beveren_Rabbit posted... </cite><quote>"people that farm the food I eat don't deserve to make the same amount of money as me because I went to college, okay?"how do people seriously believe this?</quote>The same person who thinks like you will in the same breath complain that the cost of childcare is too high, completely incapable of comprehending that the two might be related.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 08/05/25 11:48:20 PM #43:	Beveren_Rabbit posted... "people that farm the food I eat don't deserve to make the same amount of money as me because I went to college, okay?" how do people seriously believe this? The value of your labor isn't in the labor itself, but how easily your labor can be replaced. Advanced deep-sea rocket surgery? That needs some pretty specialized degrees, that not many people have. Picking strawberries? There's a dogpile of people sneaking across the border everyday who will do that. willythemailboy posted... The same person who thinks like you will in the same breath complain that the cost of childcare is too high, completely incapable of comprehending that the two might be related. The old lady on the 3rd floor who would watch everyone's kids in her apartment for $30 a week, now needs several mandatory online courses, a separate detached building built to very strict code, regular inspections, and a license that needs to be renewed every year. None of that is cheap, and thus childcare is no longer cheap. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:986010177] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Beveren_Rabbit posted... </cite><quote>"people that farm the food I eat don't deserve to make the same amount of money as me because I went to college, okay?"how do people seriously believe this?</quote>The value of your labor isn't in the labor itself, but how easily your labor can be replaced.Advanced deep-sea rocket surgery? That needs some pretty specialized degrees, that not many people have.Picking strawberries? There's a dogpile of people sneaking across the border everyday who will do that.willythemailboy posted... </cite><quote>The same person who thinks like you will in the same breath complain that the cost of childcare is too high, completely incapable of comprehending that the two might be related.</quote>The old lady on the 3rd floor who would watch everyone's kids in her apartment for $30 a week, now needs several mandatory online courses, a separate detached building built to very strict code, regular inspections, and a license that needs to be renewed every year. None of that is cheap, and thus childcare is no longer cheap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
willythemailboy 08/06/25 12:33:07 AM #44:	Questionmarktarius posted... The old lady on the 3rd floor who would watch everyone's kids in her apartment for $30 a week, now needs several mandatory online courses, a separate detached building built to very strict code, regular inspections, and a license that needs to be renewed every year. None of that is cheap, and thus childcare is no longer cheap. You forgot the biggest factor: there's a legal cap on how many kids she can watch based on the age of the children being watched. If she can only watch 5 kids, she has to charge 20% or more of your total income in order to make enough to pay her own bills. --- There are four lights. <cite>willythemailboy posted [p:986010460] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite><quote>The old lady on the 3rd floor who would watch everyone's kids in her apartment for $30 a week, now needs several mandatory online courses, a separate detached building built to very strict code, regular inspections, and a license that needs to be renewed every year. None of that is cheap, and thus childcare is no longer cheap.</quote>You forgot the biggest factor: there's a legal cap on how many kids she can watch based on the age of the children being watched. If she can only watch 5 kids, she has to charge 20% or more of your total income in order to make enough to pay her own bills.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monopoman 08/06/25 12:42:35 AM #45:	CyborgSage00x0 posted... There's no part of the US very this is considered good, let alone "very good.". It's funny when people say shit like that, when there are small towns in Idaho that have like 500 people and the average price of a house there is well over 400k. These towns literally have no major manufacturing jobs or major industries, and it's all remote work that allow people to move there and do a high paying job. $15 an hour might be a livable wage in some areas, but it's never considered good. I guess also some places are so fucking rundown and barren that most there don't make shit for money so there it might be decent. Any place worth living is likely going to push towards making at least $25-30 an hour to have a decent life. --- Getting too damn old for this crap! <cite>Monopoman posted [p:986010517] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>CyborgSage00x0 posted... </cite><quote>There's no part of the US very this is considered good, let alone "very good.".</quote>It's funny when people say shit like that, when there are small towns in Idaho that have like 500 people and the average price of a house there is well over 400k. These towns literally have no major manufacturing jobs or major industries, and it's all remote work that allow people to move there and do a high paying job.$15 an hour might be a livable wage in some areas, but it's never considered good. I guess also some places are so fucking rundown and barren that most there don't make shit for money so there it might be decent.Any place worth living is likely going to push towards making at least $25-30 an hour to have a decent life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bachewychomp 08/06/25 1:45:04 AM #46:	willythemailboy posted... Well it seems that "no one can possibly live on less than what someone needs to live in a Manhattan high rise" has become a weekly occurrence You're saying this about people complaining about $15 an hour <cite>bachewychomp posted [p:986010856] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>willythemailboy posted... </cite><quote>Well it seems that "no one can possibly live on less than what someone needs to live in a Manhattan high rise" has become a weekly occurrence</quote>You're saying this about people complaining about $15 an hour</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
willythemailboy 08/06/25 2:30:38 AM #47:	Monopoman posted... $15 an hour might be a livable wage in some areas, but it's never considered good. I guess also some places are so fucking rundown and barren that most there don't make shit for money so there it might be decent. Any place worth living is likely going to push towards making at least $25-30 an hour to have a decent life. willythemailboy posted... I get your game, though. Any place I point out that people can and do live on under $40k you're just going to call a shithole. You can't be proven wrong because you've defined the terms such that even proof that you're wrong you can take as "proof" that you're right. New low effort troll arrives, gets same answer. bachewychomp posted... You're saying this about people complaining about $15 an hour Allowing for some minor hyperbole, yes. The post above yours is saying "any place worth living" needs to exceed the median income for the Bronx. Let that sink in. They're pushing for a wage that would put a minimum wage earner above the median family income of part of NYC. The median individual income there is actually about $15/hour. Meanwhile I live in a rather nice 200k or so town in Illinois where median income is higher than that, and living on $15 an hour isn't the high life but neither is it poverty wages. I swear most of you seem to think anyone living outside of a city of a million people still have outhouses and haven't yet discovered running water. --- There are four lights. <cite>willythemailboy posted [p:986011024] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Monopoman posted... </cite><quote>$15 an hour might be a livable wage in some areas, but it's never considered good. I guess also some places are so fucking rundown and barren that most there don't make shit for money so there it might be decent.Any place worth living is likely going to push towards making at least $25-30 an hour to have a decent life.</quote>willythemailboy posted... </cite><quote>I get your game, though. Any place I point out that people can and do live on under $40k you're just going to call a shithole. You can't be proven wrong because you've defined the terms such that even proof that you're wrong you can take as "proof" that you're right.</quote>New low effort troll arrives, gets same answer.bachewychomp posted... </cite><quote>You're saying this about people complaining about $15 an hour</quote>Allowing for some minor hyperbole, yes. The post above yours is saying "any place worth living" needs to exceed the median income for the Bronx. Let that sink in. They're pushing for a wage that would put a minimum wage earner above the median family income of part of NYC. The median individual income there is actually about $15/hour.Meanwhile I live in a rather nice 200k or so town in Illinois where median income is higher than that, and living on $15 an hour isn't the high life but neither is it poverty wages. I swear most of you seem to think anyone living outside of a city of a million people still have outhouses and haven't yet discovered running water.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cacciato 08/06/25 5:00:04 AM #49:	Beveren_Rabbit posted... remember, making $100k in New York is considered low income. Whats your point? <cite>Cacciato posted [p:986011473] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Beveren_Rabbit posted... </cite><quote>remember, making $100k in New York is considered low income.</quote>Whats your point?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Beveren_Rabbit 08/06/25 5:07:35 AM #50:	seems like people upset that minimum wage workers are making more money don't really care for the economy. they just want to see poor people stay poor so they can feel better about themselves. --- flops <cite>Beveren_Rabbit posted [p:986011517] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>seems like people upset that minimum wage workers are making more money don't really care for the economy. they just want to see poor people stay poor so they can feel better about themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
willythemailboy 08/06/25 5:18:16 AM #51:	Cacciato posted... Whats your point? That well more than half of New York is low income, apparently. --- There are four lights. <cite>willythemailboy posted [p:986011562] in Newsflash:... [t:81021496]...</cite> <quote>Cacciato posted... </cite><quote>Whats your point?</quote>That well more than half of New York is low income, apparently.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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